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flyer85
06-13-2005, 07:10 PM
Freel CF
Randa 3b
Casey 1b
Jr DH
Pena RF
Dunn LF
Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Valentin C

I have a feeling we will be seeing a lot of RA this week.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 07:11 PM
Good grief :rant:

It's not just Dunn now it's Lopez too..stick the hot young bats in the crappy order spots.

Puffy
06-13-2005, 07:11 PM
I liked the lineup a lot more when Freel and Lopez were at the front of it.

Then again who could have ever forseen that Dave Miley would end up loving Randa in the two hole? Who? I ask you who?

TC81190
06-13-2005, 07:12 PM
Swap Randa/Lopez and Dunn/Pena and that's probably the best you'll see from Miley.

Pena is a CF. If Freel HAS to play OF stick him RF. Let Wily play CF.

Puffy
06-13-2005, 07:13 PM
I have a feeling we will be seeing a lot of RA this week.

Well, he has been hitting the last week, and the Reds bench (with the DH) is kinda low right now, so Aurilia should be getting the at bats.

Never thought I'd be posting those words....

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 07:14 PM
I'd rather see KGJr in CF for two reasons:

#1 - he's better defensively and has a cannon for an arm.
#2 - he's never hit well off the bench.

and I agree, put Lopez back in the two slot.

oneupper
06-13-2005, 07:15 PM
Isn't Kelly a CF? Is he a good fielder?

How about Kelly CF and Freel 2B (and no RA?)

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 07:15 PM
Freel CF
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1b
Randa 3b
Jr DH
Pena RF
Dunn LF
Lopez SS
Valentin C

I was afraid we'd see this lineup.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 07:17 PM
Then again who could have ever forseen that Dave Miley would end up loving Randa in the two hole? Who? I ask you who?they need a crafty veteran to hit up there.

Raisor
06-13-2005, 07:18 PM
Well, he has been hitting the last week, and the Reds bench (with the DH) is kinda low right now, so Aurilia should be getting the at bats.

Never thought I'd be posting those words....


I'd play Jacob Cruz over Aurilia right now.

Chip R
06-13-2005, 07:20 PM
I got the lineup spots exactly right. But Jr. should play CF since he's actually played there before and WMP has problems defensively. I'd have put Freel in RF but it's not horrible except for the studs batting so low as usual.

Redny
06-13-2005, 07:20 PM
Line-up is okay. However I would like it better if Casey and Dunn were switched. Lopez or Randa in the 2 hole works.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 07:21 PM
I don't get Griffey being DH instead of CF. Fenway Park is one of the tougher places to play OF because of all the angles of the walls and the amount of space the CF has to cover. Griffey is the only OF we have that has ever played there so we make him the DH.

Chip R
06-13-2005, 07:22 PM
I don't get Griffey being DH instead of CF. Fenway Park is one of the tougher places to play OF because of all the angles of the walls and the amount of space the CF has to cover. Griffey is the only OF we have that has ever played there so we make him the DH.I know. Has Freel played OF there when he was with TOR?

Far East
06-13-2005, 07:22 PM
Randa and Aurilia are going to tattoo the Green Monster ... or pop-up trying.

Raisor
06-13-2005, 07:23 PM
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but Randa should be in the 2 slot over Lopez right now.

Higher OBP.

I feel dirty.

Kc61
06-13-2005, 07:23 PM
Very happy with Jr. at DH. Keep those hamstrings off the field for a few games.

Freel can play center. He jumped over the fence for a catch earlier in the year.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 07:25 PM
I know. Has Freel played OF there when he was with TOR? I am not sure Freel may have played there when he was with TOR. You would think a player coming off a leg injury like Freel you would not want to have to cover all that ground in CF.

Chip R
06-13-2005, 07:27 PM
I am not sure Freel may have played there when he was with TOR. You would think a player coming off a leg injury like Freel you would not want to have to cover all that ground in CF.Yeah. I'd have had him in RF and Jr. in CF but if the choice was Freel or WMP in CF, I'd go with Freel.

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 07:28 PM
There are several guys on this team with better CF range than Junior right now. I gots no prob with him DH'n.

Marge'sMullet
06-13-2005, 07:30 PM
Randa is excelling in the 2 hole and RA has is on fire. I just want the REDS to win.

I'm so excited about this series with the BoSox; it feels like opening day excitement.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 07:31 PM
The REDS are going to need 8+ runs to win tonight. No reason with this lineup we can't get it.

SirFelixCat
06-13-2005, 07:33 PM
I can NOT believe I forgot to TiVo this tonight :mad:

Oh well, needing solid pbp from you fellas/ladies tonight. Agree with most of what's been said on the lineup...could be better, but yes, Aurillia deserves to play right now...been hitting well :hurl:

I like seeing Jr. have the night off from CF...this is the guy who has not been able to stay healthy since Christ was a Corporal, remember.

Go get'em fellas! :beerme:

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 07:34 PM
I have no problem having Griffey take a rest by DHing him. He's played an awful lot this year.

While I prefer Lopez hitting 2nd over Randa, Randa has been hot, very hot, and Lopez can probably drive in runs hitting lower. While he hasn't had a particularly hard time driving in runs from the 2 spot, I can live with it. I'm guessing that Lopez hasn't been particularly good (or doesn't like) taking pitches for Freel to steal. It seems like Freel steals more with Randa hitting behind him, but I haven't checked to see if my impression is correct.

I'd flip flop Casey and Dunn, but Casey has been the better hitter since the end of April, so it would be a strange time to do it. Assuming casey has to hit 3rd, I'd put Pena ahead of Dunn, as it helps the L-R thing, and Dunn hasn't actually outplayed Pena to date.

And Aurilla has also been hot, no reason to sit him now that we can use the DH.

I'd prefer:

Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Griffey
Pena
Casey
Randa
Aurilla
Valentin

But I can live with what's there. At least it's defensible.

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 07:37 PM
How has Pena hit off Clement during his career? I figure it has been a struggle for Wily?

Raisor
06-13-2005, 07:41 PM
I'd flip flop Casey and Dunn, but Casey has been the better hitter since the end of April, so it would be a strange time to do it. .

Actually, they've been essentially the same hitter since 1 May.

Casey 24.64 Runs Created per 150 TPA (total: 25.3 RC, 154 TPA)
Dunn 23.63 Runs Created per 150 TPA (total: 26.0 RC, 165 TPA)

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 07:42 PM
FWIW, it's nice to play the DRays to get your bats untracked (of course, it's usually nice to play the REDS, too for most of this year). We have had better pitching lately. Nice to see.

Last 7 Days....

NAME AB........................ OPS
Randy Keisler 3 .............2.667
Kenny Kelly 1 ...............2.000
Jacob Cruz 9 ................1.455
Rich Aurilia 14 ...............1.319
K. Griffey Jr. 25 .............1.244
Wily Mo Pena 19 ............1.105
Joe Randa 22 ................1.044
Felipe Lopez 21 ..............1.000
Jason LaRue 15 ................894
Adam Dunn 24 ..................849
J. Valentin 6 .....................833
Ryan Freel 15 ...................807
Sean Casey 26 ..................798
Ramon Ortiz 3 ....................667
Luke Hudson 2 ....................333
Luis Lopez 3 .......................000

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 07:44 PM
How has Pena hit off Clement during his career? I figure it has been a struggle for Wily? Pena is 1 for 3 with a HR against Clement. Actually a lot of our hitters hit well against Clement. Freel has a .444 average, Aurilia has a .389 average, Dunn has a .348 average with 1 HR, Griffey has a .333 average and Casey has 2 HRs against Clement.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 07:56 PM
Is M2 going to the game tonight? Or any of the games? I want a full report, cap'n. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 07:58 PM
Fenway Park and Wrigley Field are the two places on the top of my list to see a ballgame before I die.

Yankee Stadium is #3

wheels
06-13-2005, 08:01 PM
Hey, at least Dunn's got some protection tonight.

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:04 PM
Fenway Park and Wrigley Field are the two places on the top of my list to see a ballgame before I die.

Yankee Stadium is #3

Been to Wrigley,fantastic experience(except for getting lost on the southside after dark). Like you,Fenway is on my wishlist also.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:05 PM
Hey, at least Dunn's got some protection tonight.

You got to figure the Reds AL lineup is going to be a killer.

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:07 PM
Play Ball!

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:08 PM
George just referred to Freel as Adam ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:08 PM
Freel grounds out to short. Good play by Renteria. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:09 PM
It's good to hear Joe Nuxhall again :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:09 PM
Randa singles to left.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:10 PM
Is it just me or are the fox fx sounds really annoying this evening?

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Casey hits into a Casey..onto the Milton show

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Casey grounds into a 6-3 DP. 16 DPs for Casey.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Is it just me or are the fox fx sounds really annoying this evening?

Maybe their engineer has them up to loud...

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Casey now leads Renteria 16 to 15

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:13 PM
Sean "Giddy up GIDP" Casey. Not like I didn't smell that one from a mile away. Ground ball pitcher, ground ball hitter, slow runner at first. It's like the conditions prior to the Perfect Storm. New England no less.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:13 PM
Unreal.. 16 double plays. When will Miley move him down?

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:13 PM
Someone really needs to pull Casey aside and tell him bat on ball does not equal a good thing EVERY time. There is a such thing as "waiting for your pitch."

Argh.

wheels
06-13-2005, 08:14 PM
He won't because "he's batting .300".

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:15 PM
He won't because "he's batting .300".

Get tuff.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Oh good grief..Pena and Freel collide

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Damon flies out to right as Pena and Freel collide. It's going to be an adventure in the OF tonight.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Freel and Pena collide....I sure as hell wouldn't want to run into Pena

Did you see how small he made Ryan look?

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Speaking of perfect storms. Blooper....Freel...Pena.....EEEEEEK!!!

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Renteria grounds out to short. 2 outs.

westofyou
06-13-2005, 08:17 PM
Since 1995 13 Reds have had 15 or more DP's... (now 14) counting this year Casey is six of them.

Larkin411
06-13-2005, 08:17 PM
I don't know why Freel didn't just listen when Pena called him off.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:18 PM
Ortiz fouls out to the catcher. 0-0 after 1.

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:18 PM
I swear I juast saw Ortiz drooling looking out at Milty.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:19 PM
I swear I juast saw Ortiz drooling looking out at Milty.

Well..he is the pitcher... ;)

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:19 PM
So who draws first blood tonight, I am picking the Red Stockings. :p:

Tony Cloninger
06-13-2005, 08:19 PM
Maybe he's hungry............For taters!

Chip R
06-13-2005, 08:20 PM
I don't know why Freel didn't just listen when Pena called him off.Those two next to each other in the OF is trouble. :eek:

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:20 PM
So who draws first blood tonight, I am picking the Red Stockings. :p:
I agree..Dunn will go off.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:20 PM
Papi (whatever they call Ortiz) is going to unload on Milton at some point in this game. NASA won't be able to track that thing.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:22 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:22 PM
Manny has a 1.749 OPS in 22 PA vs Milton. :eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:22 PM
Welsh likes to see the DH

He's more evil then I thought ;)

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:23 PM
I'd love to see Wily Mo take one over the Green Monster within the next 3 days.....

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:23 PM
What is Mo doing in there against a right hander with above average stuff?

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:23 PM
This whole lineup is drooling at Milty,who am I kidding.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:24 PM
What is Mo doing in there against a right hander with above average stuff?
The other option is Kenny Kelly

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:24 PM
Pena flies out to center. 2 outs.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 08:24 PM
So who draws first blood tonight, I am picking the Red Stockings. :p:

Who's the first one to hit one out of the Park?

Wily Mo.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Dunn should drop a bunt down against the shift ;)

Chip R
06-13-2005, 08:25 PM
What is Mo doing in there against a right hander with above average stuff?He's gotta learn to hit them sometime.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Manny has a 1.749 OPS in 22 PA vs Milton. :eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132

Look for drool when Ramirez comes to bat.

He should intentionally walk him.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Gameday is showing those last two balls outside to Dunn as really close.

Seems like Clement is on tonight. Let's hope Milty is too.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Clement handled the "heart" of the order with ease.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Who's the first one to hit one out of the Park?


Ricardo Aurilia, why not?

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:27 PM
Manny has a 1.749 OPS in 22 PA vs Milton. :eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132


That's obscene.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:28 PM
If a DP is a Casey then I'm going to call a K a Dunn

;)

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:28 PM
Dunn got himself in a hole by chasing a ball down on the first pitch, according to Gameday. He's trying to avoid striking out. I've never seen him swing as often early in the count as he has been lately.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:28 PM
Ramirez flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Millar flies out to left. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:29 PM
The flies balls keep getting deeper off of Milton

...so far, no problem though.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:29 PM
I'm calling my shot: Varitek--short porch.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Red Sox over anxious seeing Milton out there

westofyou
06-13-2005, 08:30 PM
Dunn got himself in a hole by chasing a ball down on the first pitch, according to Gameday. He's trying to avoid striking out. I've never seen him swing as often early in the count as he has been lately.
Being agressive in the age of the slider can be a death knell to a guy with a long swing.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 08:30 PM
Dunn loves hitting at new parks for the first time.

Look for him to go yard once, if not twice tonight.

Mitri
06-13-2005, 08:30 PM
5 pitch inning for Milty

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:30 PM
Varitek flies out to center. 5 pitch inning for Milton. 0-0 after 2.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:31 PM
I'm calling my shot: Varitek--short porch.

Sooo close. To the deepest part of the park.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:31 PM
Red alert - Bong sighting

Jung pitched 4 innings for Sarasota today. 3 Hits, 2runs, 1BB, 1K

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 08:31 PM
Wow, they kept on getting farther and farther. I have a bad feeling the second time through................................

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:32 PM
Clement looks to have a very good slider tonight.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:34 PM
Clement almost became a red

Sureeeeeee he did ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:34 PM
Lopez grounds out to short. 1 out.

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 08:35 PM
Now why do Chris and George just assume the Reds fans in the crowd have juggled their vacation schedules to take in this series?

I'd be willing to bet that some, if not most, of them actually live in Boston, just like many fans of other teams live in Cincinnati.

Larkin411
06-13-2005, 08:35 PM
Those two next to each other in the OF is trouble. :eek:

They're both such heedless hustlers, concussions waiting to happen.

I wonder what things are like between those two in general, considering the toxic ballclub atmosphere and D'Lo. I imagine if I were Freel, I'd be a little more wary of antagonizing a man who's twice my size.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:36 PM
Now why do Chris and George just assume the Reds fans in the crowd have juggled their vacation schedules to take in this series?

I'd be willing to bet that some, if not most, of them actually live in Boston, just like many fans of other teams live in Cincinnati.

I can think of 2 RZers who live in Boston

Maybe that was them? :D

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:36 PM
Aurilia strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:37 PM
Valentin hits a ground rule double to right.

Chip R
06-13-2005, 08:39 PM
They're both such heedless hustlers, concussions waiting to happen.

I wonder what things are like between those two in general, considering the toxic ballclub atmosphere and D'Lo. I imagine if I were Freel, I'd be a little more wary of antagonizing a man who's twice my size.
Freel is but Pena just is like a bull in a china shop out there.

That's a good point since D'Lo was Pena's good friend, IIRC. But WMP seems like an easygoing guy who would get along with most people. Freel has more guts than brains, though so WMP's size may not be a deterrant.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:39 PM
Valentin hits a ground rule double to right.

Technically speaking, Valenitn wins, but I digress. The bet continues.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:40 PM
Valentin gets thrown out at third trying to advance on a pitch in the dirt. 0-0 mid 3rd.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:40 PM
Overslid the bag

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:40 PM
He overslid.

oops

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 08:42 PM
I hate to harp on this, but these are the little things this club does not do well. Of course, I've slid beyond a bag, but these guys aren't supposed to make those kinds of mistakes. They're professionals...


Sorry. Baserunning blunders really get my goat!

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 08:42 PM
I thought he was out on the first tag.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:43 PM
Mueller flies out to 3rd. 1 out.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:43 PM
I thought he was out on the first tag.

Same here, Tivo agrees.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:44 PM
Milton--6 flyouts, 1 groundout. It's only a matter of time...

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:45 PM
Payton doubles off the wall in left.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:45 PM
There we go..Payton doubles off the monster

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:45 PM
That ball was off the wall...the BIG wall

(note: a normal wall would not have contained that ball)

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:45 PM
chris should have kept his mouth shut

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 08:45 PM
I hate to harp on this, but these are the little things this club does not do well. Of course, I've slid beyond a bag, but these guys aren't supposed to make those kinds of mistakes. They're professionals...


Sorry. Baserunning blunders really get my goat!

On the replay, it looked like he had him well before he slid past the bag.

Larkin411
06-13-2005, 08:46 PM
chris should have kept his mouth shut

That's true more often than not :) .

Marge'sMullet
06-13-2005, 08:47 PM
whats milton's out pitch when he has 2 strike on a batter? I don't see one.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:47 PM
Bellhorn grounds out to short. 2 outs.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:47 PM
Dunn got himself in a hole by chasing a ball down on the first pitch, according to Gameday. He's trying to avoid striking out. I've never seen him swing as often early in the count as he has been lately.Dunn swung at 2 balls and took a strike.

BoydsOfSummer
06-13-2005, 08:48 PM
The good thing about Grande babbling on and on is it doen't leave much air time for Welsh to go analyzing much.

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 08:48 PM
That ball was off the wall...the BIG wall

(note: a normal wall would not have contained that ball)

Note, in a normal park with a normal wall, that's a routine fly to left.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:48 PM
Damon reaches on an infield hit. Nice effort by Randa. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:51 PM
Aww crap..Renteria doubles to deep CF 2-0 bad guys

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:51 PM
Renteria lines a double over Freels head as Freel misjudges the ball. 2-0 Sox.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Chest high fastball over the plate is not where you pitch Renteria

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Two nifty plays by Freel in center...

Isn't it amazing how one high ball to Payton develops into this?

Wow

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
The real Milton has arrived.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
GEt tuFf.

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Freel will be DFA'd tomorrow for making Milton look bad.

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Damn it! I knew Griffey should be out there!

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:52 PM
GEt tuFf.

Be classy.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:53 PM
Renteria lines a double over Freels head as Freel misjudges the ball. 2-0 Sox.Freel would not have caught the ball even without the step in.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:53 PM
Renteria lines a double over Freels head as Freel misjudges the ball. 2-0 Sox.

Was it catchable otherwise?

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 08:53 PM
Was it catchable otherwise?

Doubt it.

Mutaman
06-13-2005, 08:54 PM
For all kinds of personal reasons, JB's homer off Moose in the 72 playoffs was quite a thrill, but Tony P's shot in game 7 at Fenway has to be the biggest hit in Red's history.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:54 PM
Ortiz strikes out. 2-0 Sox after 3.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 08:55 PM
Two nifty plays by Freel in center...

Isn't it amazing how one high ball to Payton develops into this?

Wow

If Miley wasn't so obsessed with Aurilia, Freel would be at 2nd, and Kelly or Junior could be in CF.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 08:56 PM
2 runs in three innings is fewer than I thought Milton would have given up by now.

We need to score this inning and next.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:56 PM
If Miley wasn't so obsessed with Aurilia, Freel would be at 2nd, and Kelly or Junior could be in CF.

In the midst of all this hysteria involving Aurilia, I believe we are witnessing a showcase for before Machado is rehabilitated. Bear with it, let him catch fire, let him earn his ticket out of town, then all in Redsland will rejoice.

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 08:56 PM
Was it catchable otherwise?

Absolutely. You start in on a ball that you should be going back on, and add a few stumbles along the way, cost Freel more than enough to suggest that it was a very catchable ball.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:56 PM
Freel grounds out. 1 out.

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 08:57 PM
For all kinds of personal reasons, JB's homer off Moose in the 72 playoffs was quite a thrill, but Tony P's shot in game 7 at Fenway has to be the biggest hit in Red's history.

I think an argument could be made for Eric Davis's HR off Dave Stewart in Game 1 of the 1990 World Series.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:58 PM
Randa strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 08:58 PM
I think an argument could be made for Eric Davis's HR off Dave Stewart in Game 1 of the 1990 World Series.

Set the tone for the, at the time, improbable...or some experts would have said impossible

flyer85
06-13-2005, 08:58 PM
2 runs in three innings is fewer than I thought Milton would have given up by now.

We need to score this inning and next.Milton has been MUCH worse the 2nd time through the order.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 08:59 PM
Randa strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Casey can't GIDP now.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 08:59 PM
Casey lines a single to right.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 08:59 PM
The Reds and Red Sox are the only teams yet to be shutout this season.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:04 PM
In the midst of all this hysteria involving Aurilia, I believe we are witnessing a showcase for before Machado is rehabilitated. Bear with it, let him catch fire, let him earn his ticket out of town, then all in Redsland will rejoice.

Nah..they will switch to Machado dislikers ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:04 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 2-0 Sox mid 4th.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:05 PM
we need those 10 runs

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:05 PM
Beavers Win! Beavers Win!

Dallas Buck gets the Save in relief.

On to Omaha.

And...Nice at-bat by Junior.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:06 PM
Milton has been MUCH worse the 2nd time through the order.

True. True.

I have no idea how he gets anybody out. He has no control.

It's truly a crapshoot when he releases the ball where it's going to end up.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:07 PM
What the...?

Manny with a double

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Ramirez reaches on a ground rule double as the ball bounces in front of Pena.

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Now that was weird.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Outfield defense is killing us tonight.

Good grief

TeamBoone
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Oh good grief! Sit him down!

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Nice.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:08 PM
..and that's even weirder..Milton looses the toss back

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Pass out the fake noses and floppy shoes.

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Say what you want about Milton, but the Bosox really haven't had a decent hit against Milton tonight. And Milton can't have bad luck and be successful.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Outfield defense is killing us tonight.

Good grief


Would it have killed 'em to keep Kearns for his defense for three more days?

Eh, probably.

LINEDRIVER
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
why is Manny allowed to wear pajamas? ha ha

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Unbelievable. Ramirez goes to 3rd as Valentin misses the throw back to Milton.

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:10 PM
I know it's only high-school ball, but we teach our 2B to always back up the pitcher on each throw from the catcher back to pitcher, just to guard against that kind of thing.

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:10 PM
why is Manny allowed to wear pajamas? ha ha

Cuz he's representin'. :D

Larkin411
06-13-2005, 09:10 PM
Would it have killed 'em to keep Kearns for his defense for three more days?

Eh, probably.

If the Reds didn't make rash decisions they wouldn't make any decisions at all. Not that I care whether Kearns is in tonight or not, just sayin'.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:11 PM
I missed it but Millar is out. 1 out.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:11 PM
Cuz he's representin'.
Word up..remember Tim Hummel played with Manny

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:11 PM
Pass out the fake noses and floppy shoes.

http://www.4specialtygifts.com/images/21176.jpg

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:12 PM
Ramirez reaches on a ground rule double as the ball bounces in front of Pena.

Is that a first?

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:13 PM
How embarassing.

Stike out looking to Milton.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 09:14 PM
Milton's pitches keep creeping higher and higher. How stiff is his front leg, it is usually responsible?

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:14 PM
Is that a first?

It's a ground rule double because it bounced into the right field stands in foul territory, but you get the idea.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:14 PM
I know it's only high-school ball, but we teach our 2B to always back up the pitcher on each throw from the catcher back to pitcher, just to guard against that kind of thing.

You can't ask millionaire brats to do fundamentals.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:15 PM
Varitek singles to center. 3-0 Sox.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:16 PM
That hit was bad luck. :rolleyes:

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 09:16 PM
How did Don Gullet screw up Eric Milton? Find out tonight on 60 seconds!!!!!

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:16 PM
It's a ground rule double because it bounced into the right field stands in foul territory, but you get the idea.

Hit the ground in fair territory...somehow

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:17 PM
Single with the infield in. Routine grounder with the infield back. The Reds defense has cost the Reds big time tonight.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:17 PM
:wave: :milton: :wave:

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:17 PM
It's a ground rule double because it bounced into the right field stands in foul territory, but you get the idea.

Oh, ok. I was picturing WilyMo standing about 8 feet in front of the ball and letting the ball bounce in front of him, then watching it go over his head and into the stands.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:17 PM
looking good tonight.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:17 PM
Mueller doubles high off the Monster. 4-0 Sox.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Milton is the worst starting pitcher I've seen. Worse than Haynes.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
The Road Warriors are back

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Single with the infield in. Routine grounder with the infield back. The Reds defense has cost the Reds big time tonight.

Why in the heck is the infield in? It's only the 4th inning.

Miley needs to get a real job.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Milton has one more run for a cushion, then I pull him.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Maybe Milton can take over Kearns' spot in the outfield.

Joseph
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
I don't care what he's 'working on' Milton has to come out of the rotation. I don't think he's hurt like Wilson, but for goodness sake this is just pathetic!

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Payton gets an infield hit off Milton's back foot. 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:19 PM
Ball plunks Milton....as much I never want to see anyone get hurt, an injury would make him have to miss a start or two...since management can't see that ont their own

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 09:19 PM
We can cry about "suspect" defense all we want, but Milton just sucks. He makes Brandon Claussen look like Johan Santana.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:20 PM
Bellhorn fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Raisor
06-13-2005, 09:20 PM
Someone needs to go back over Milton's contract. Maybe John Allen or O'Brien or somebody forgot to sign it.

Maybe someone forgot and spelled "contract" with an "L" or something.

please?

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:20 PM
We can cry about "suspect" defense all we want, but Milton just sucks. He makes Brandon Claussen look like Johan Santana.

That's an insult to Claussen, frankly.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 09:20 PM
Milton should be out of the inning by now.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 09:21 PM
Someone needs to go back over Milton's contract. Maybe John Allen or O'Brien or somebody forgot to sign it.

Maybe someone forgot and spelled "contract" with an "L" or something.

please?

cLontract?

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:21 PM
Milton should be out of the inning by now.

4 runs, all earnies.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:22 PM
Come on Milton

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:22 PM
Maybe someone forgot and spelled "contract" with an "L" or something.



I think they forgot the "r"

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:22 PM
The Road Warriors are back

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/170px-Road_Warriors.jpg

Whatta rush!!! Rock-N-Roll Express, you pathetic pretty boys, we're gonna take your titles, and then w're gonna hurt ya--baddddd!!!!!

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:23 PM
Come on Miltonwhat are you rooting for?

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 09:23 PM
Those that say a manager makes no difference in winning and losing? Last inning, Freel misplays a ball of the monster and then lets a ball go over his head because he misjudges it. Pena lets one drop in front of him for a double. If the world was fair and the manager was good, Griffey would be in center and those two plays wouldn't have happened. Pena would be the dh and Freel would be at second. Milton would be in the bullpen. But the world is not fair and the manager is not good, so we're down 4-0.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:24 PM
Damon singles under Casey's glove. 5-0 Sox. They are just now getting someone warmed up.

DoogMinAmo
06-13-2005, 09:24 PM
The pitcher does not bat, after this inning, say good bye to Milton, if he makes it out of this inning.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:24 PM
Those that say a manager makes no difference in winning and losing? Last inning, Freel misplays a ball of the monster and then lets a ball go over his head because he misjudges it. Pena lets one drop in front of him for a double. If the world was fair and the manager was good, Griffey would be in center and those two plays wouldn't have happened. Pena would be the dh and Freel would be at second. Milton would be in the bullpen. But the world is not fair and the manager is not good, so we're down 4-0.

Were you saying this before the game started or only after it was 4-0?

Most people agreed that Griffey should get some rest and DH at least part of this series


Now tomorrow...Griffey should probably play center

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2005, 09:24 PM
ERA up to 7.70 and rising...

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:24 PM
Damon goes to 2nd on a wild pitch. 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.

Raisor
06-13-2005, 09:25 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/170px-Road_Warriors.jpg

Whatta rush!!! Rock-N-Roll Express, you pathetic pretty boys, we're gonna take your titles, and then w're gonna hurt ya--baddddd!!!!!


"We dine on danger, snack on death..and dead men don't make money...Tell em Paul"

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:25 PM
what are you rooting for?

Something other then what we're getting ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:25 PM
Renteria grounds out to 3rd. 5-0 Sox after 4.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 09:26 PM
Were you saying this before the game started or only after it was 4-0?

Well, I've always said life was not fair and I've known Miley was a minor league manager since last year, but who's counting. I was shocked when I saw Griffey was dh-ing and Pena was playing the field. I was not shocked that Aurilia was playing second. Just disgusted.

Griffey should have received his rest when TB was in town--not against the Red Sox.

Raisor
06-13-2005, 09:26 PM
Were you saying this before the game started or only after it was 4-0?




ahem

That's pretty funny coming from someone that thought the Milton signing was the Bee's Knees....

:evil:

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:26 PM
That half inning the defense, pitching and managing were all horrible.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:26 PM
I don't care what he's 'working on' Milton has to come out of the rotation. I don't think he's hurt like Wilson, but for goodness sake this is just pathetic!


There's no doubt. Regardless of what he's making, he needs to be removed, sent down to the minors, and remain there until what's wrong with him is figured out and adjusted.

REDS' fans shouldn't be subjected to this.

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:28 PM
There's no doubt. Regardless of what he's making, he needs to be removed, sent down to the minors, and remain there until what's wrong with him is figured out and adjusted.



He can't be sent to the minors without his consent.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:28 PM
Pena strikes out swinging. 1 out.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:29 PM
Sending out AK sure fixed things

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:29 PM
ahem

That's pretty funny coming from someone that thought the Milton signing was the Bee's Knees....

:evil:

I don't think anybody thought it would be THIS bad!

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 09:29 PM
Sending out AK sure fixed things

It never was supposed to.

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:29 PM
Sending out AK sure fixed things

We scored 10 runs yesterday. No one complained then.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:30 PM
Dunn walks on 4 pitches.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:30 PM
We scored 10 runs yesterday. No one complained then.

They scored 6. And I DID complain.

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:30 PM
"We dine on danger, snack on death..and dead men don't make money...Tell em Paul"

For you, Raisor....

http://tew.wrestlingencyclopedia.com/hawk4.jpg

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:31 PM
I bet Varitek was glad that throw was late

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Lopez triples to left center. 5-1.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Dunn scores after his walk..but he would have scored better if he had singled

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Well, I've always said life was not fair and I've known Miley was a minor league manager since last year, but who's counting. I was shocked when I saw Griffey was dh-ing and Pena was playing the field. I was not shocked that Aurilia was playing second. Just disgusted.

Griffey should have received his rest when TB was in town--not against the Red Sox.

I'd be disgusted if Miley was my minor league manager, either as a player or as a fan.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
Reasons to follow the Reds right now: FeLo, Dunn, Harang, Claussen, and...and...

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
Aurilia hits a sac. fly to the warning track in left. 5-2.

Aronchis
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
Clement with a meatball to Flipper and Rich

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
We scored 10 runs yesterday. No one complained then.the offense was never the problem. If AK can be sent out then why can't Milton be banished to the pen?

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
Aurilia hits a sac. fly to the warning track in left. 5-2.

Why can't Dunn do that :evil:

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:32 PM
SF for Aurilia...he's good.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:33 PM
the offense was never the problem. If AK can be sent out then why can't Milton be banished to the pen?

$$$$

Eric_Davis
06-13-2005, 09:33 PM
Dunn scores after his walk..but he would have scored better if he had singled

I know. I don't know why people bust on Dunn about his walks. If only the rest of the team had his "problems", we'd be in first place.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:33 PM
Reasons to follow the Reds right now: FeLo, Dunn, Harang, Claussen, and...and...

I'm enjoying Junior!

Mutaman
06-13-2005, 09:34 PM
I think an argument could be made for Eric Davis's HR off Dave Stewart in Game 1 of the 1990 World Series.

Not even close. Eric's hit was big, really big, and I remember it and him with great affection. And I loved the 90 team. But we're talking game 7 not game 1. The Reds are down 3-0 in the 6th inning, we haven't won a world championship in over 35 years, we lost in ''61, '70, and '72. We were one lousy pitch away from winning the night before and we blew it, and Lee was absolutely cruising. It really looked like the handwritting was on the wall, we were going to lose again to a team that just wasn't in our class. And then Tony changed all that with one swing. Not even close, and I bet you won't find anyone who witnessed both hits who would disagree with me.

Reds Fanatic
06-13-2005, 09:34 PM
Valentin strikes out swinging. 5-2 Sox mid 5th.

Big Klu
06-13-2005, 09:35 PM
I'm not saying you are wrong--I tend to agree with you. I'm just presenting alternatives.

KronoRed
06-13-2005, 09:35 PM
Time for a big come back...everyone knows we play better when down by at least 5

WVRedsFan
06-13-2005, 09:36 PM
Valentin strikes out swinging. 5-2 Sox mid 5th.

That was a horrible ab by Javier. Oh well.

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:36 PM
any chance the Sox don't score this inning?

Matt700wlw
06-13-2005, 09:37 PM
Time for a big come back...everyone knows we play better when down by at least 5

Can Milton keep it 5?

flyer85
06-13-2005, 09:37 PM
Time for a big come back...everyone knows we play better when down by at least 5Milton isn't gone yet

PuffyPig
06-13-2005, 09:37 PM
Reasons to follow the Reds right now: FeLo, Dunn, Harang, Claussen, and...and...

How about Griffey?

And the fact that you are a Reds fan?

And the fact that we are as good as scoring team as there is in the National League.

And the fact you are a Reds fan.

And that fact that we probably have the (potentially) top power hitter in baseball, be it Dunn or Pena.

And the fact you are a Reds fan.

And the fact that some players can (and will) improve.

I believe that many posters here have panned Harang, Lopez, Pena, Claussen a large amount of time. Now they are our salvation. Funny.