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WVRed
06-13-2005, 07:16 PM
In light of the Michael Jackson trial. :evil:

westofyou
06-13-2005, 07:17 PM
The union couldn't handle losing California.

KittyDuran
06-13-2005, 08:19 PM
The union couldn't handle losing California.I seconded that - some might not like the atmosphere, but the GNP of that state is more than some countries - AND money talks...

15fan
06-13-2005, 08:22 PM
The Reds always play like crap on the left coast.

Ergo, the sooner the state calves from the mainland and slides into the Pacific, the better.

RBA
06-13-2005, 08:40 PM
Poor attempt at humor. :thumbdown

RBA
06-14-2005, 12:51 AM
KKK suspect goes on trial for Mississippi murders

Mon Jun 13, 5:38 PM ET



A suspected Ku Klux Klansman accused of the 1964 murders of three civil rights workers sat solemnly in a wheelchair in a Mississippi court on Monday as jury selection began in a trial that promises to stir the ghosts of the state's segregationist past.

Edgar Ray Killen, an 80-year-old ordained Baptist minister, is the first person ever to be tried by the state for the notorious slayings of Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and James Chaney, dramatized in the movie "Mississippi Burning."

In anticipation of demonstrations by white supremacists and black civil rights activists, police barricaded streets and escorted Killen and other figures into the two-story courthouse in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where the trial is being held.

J.J. Harper, the Imperial Wizard of the American White Nights of the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia, was among those who appeared outside the court. It was not clear whether Harper or other Klan members were supporting Killen.

Defense lawyers, however, were quick to distance their client from the white supremacist movement. "The Klan is a hate group," said defense attorney James McIntyre, who added that Harper's presence was unwanted.

The start of the trial came five months after Killen was arrested near Philadelphia and charged with the murders of the trio, who were shot on a remote road outside this rural eastern Mississippi town 41 years ago.

'FREEDOM SUMMER'

Killen was arrested and indicted on three counts of murder shortly after the state reopened a long-dormant investigation into the killings, which helped galvanize support for the civil rights movement and were later dramatized in the 1988 film.

Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney, all in their 20s, were helping blacks register to vote during the "Freedom Summer" campaign.

Killen, who was injured in a March logging accident, has pleaded not guilty to the murders and is free on bond. His lawyers had attempted to postpone the start of the trial, arguing that their client was too ill to assist them.

Prosecutors say Killen was the mastermind of a Klan plot to abduct and kill the civil rights workers on June 21, 1964, shortly after they were released from the local jail where they had been held on charges of speeding and arson.

Killen was among more than a dozen men, including several known Klansmen, who were tried for federal civil rights violations in 1967. Seven were convicted and sentenced to prison terms of between three and 10 years.

Killen's trial ended in a hung jury. The all-white jury reached an 11-1 vote, with the one holdout saying she could never convict a preacher.

Despite evidence collected by the FBI, state prosecutors did not charge the suspects with murder. No jury in Mississippi had at that time ever convicted whites for killing blacks or civil rights workers.

Killen's trial is expected to last about three weeks.

cincinnati chili
06-14-2005, 01:16 AM
I seconded that - some might not like the atmosphere, but the GNP of that state is more than some countries - AND money talks...

Not SOME countries, but almost ALL countries. If I recall correctly from grad school, if California were its own country it would be something like the 7th largest economy in the world.

SirFelixCat
06-14-2005, 06:35 AM
Not SOME countries, but almost ALL countries. If I recall correctly from grad school, if California were its own country it would be something like the 7th largest economy in the world.

No kidding? I'm an educated man and truly had no idea on that....wow :eek:

cincinnati chili
06-14-2005, 06:52 AM
I just did a quick google search to make sure I didn't remember this wrong, and this link actually says it would be the SIXTH biggest economy.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/10/24/BUGFM9E8KF1.DTL

Figure that Cali. has something like 1/8 or 1/9 of the U.S. population, not to mention a fair chunk of its resources and tourism trade. It seems surprising at first, but it kinda makes sense too.

TeamCasey
06-14-2005, 07:05 AM
Which is the actual question?

RBA
06-14-2005, 08:16 AM
Which is the actual question?


The question is another pathetic slam on California. Which if California actually seceded would leave the United States in worse shape than we are in now. All those red states wouldn't be able to get their government handouts.

RedFanAlways1966
06-14-2005, 08:27 AM
The question is another pathetic slam on California. Which if California actually seceded would leave the United States in worse shape than we are in now. All those red states wouldn't be able to get their government handouts.

Hmmmm. I took this as a joke based on the latest "infamous trial" in CA. I would also take it as a joke if someone said something to the effect of getting rid of OHIO because they like to invest in coins and give people a license to carry a gun (or whatever). Now some have decided to turn this into a political thing. Man the torpedoes... full speed ahead!

THE REAL QUESTION (and it was obviously a JOKE) was: should CA secede from the U.S. b/c of all the wacky trial results out there with celebrities?

Laughing is good.

RBA
06-14-2005, 08:35 AM
Seems to me, California has become a favorite whipping boy of not only this board, but the right wing media also. Sometimes somebody has to say enough is enough, and that what I'm saying.

RedFanAlways1966
06-14-2005, 08:48 AM
Seems to me, California has become a favorite whipping boy of not only this board, but the right wing media also. Sometimes somebody has to say enough is enough, and that what I'm saying.

Okay. I think it might be more appropriate to say we should have the Los Angeles County prosecutor's office secede from the Union! They sure have spent a lot of taxpayer money for a lot of non-convictions. IMO someone from the D.A.'s office needs to do some serious explaining about this Michael trial.

remdog
06-14-2005, 08:56 AM
The Jackson trial was in Santa Barbara County. :)

Rem

KronoRed
06-14-2005, 09:25 AM
SO we just kick Santa Barbara out and we're good? ;)

RedFanAlways1966
06-14-2005, 09:30 AM
The Jackson trial was in Santa Barbara County. :)

Rem

Oops... thx, Rem! :)

Scott Peterson's attorney should never get another gig. How in the world did he not get his client off? Perhaps b/c Scott was not a celeb? Or Scott's in-laws did not come off as sharks (like the mother of Michael's victim).

But one question that has been bugging me.... where in the world is Kato? I thought for sure he'd take advantage of the Michael trial to make some more money. :evil:

savafan
06-14-2005, 10:01 AM
The union must be preserved at all costs. We can add stars, but we must never again take them away.

15fan
06-14-2005, 11:08 AM
The union must be preserved at all costs. We can add stars, but we must never again take them away.

But the thing about stars is that eventually, each of them will burn out.

In some cases, they turn into black holes.

And to keep with the astronomy theme (as well as to keep some folks riled up), I've always considered the San Andreas fault to be kind of like an event horizon:

Once something crosses it, no matter how dense it is or isn't, it simply gets sucked into the black hole forever.

;)

wally post
06-14-2005, 11:15 AM
yet another example of de-personalizing stars....
oh well, the REAL reason I'm posting is to see if my avatar works! :D

wally post
06-14-2005, 11:15 AM
Woohoo!

westofyou
06-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Wally.. are you still with Joan?

If so come to Portland... my wife LOVES her.

wally post
06-14-2005, 11:21 AM
Hi Westie... I'm still "with " Joan O, but she isn't doing much. Just had a baby. she is doing a few unplugged dates (without drums) on the west coast (CA I think) this summer to see how it feels to be out there again with the small fry. We might do a gig in Telluride, CO in mid-Sept - that's about it for now. Thanks for asking!

westofyou
06-14-2005, 11:23 AM
Telluride?

Damn... you're lucky.... great area.

I'll be keeping a watch for you guys

zombie-a-go-go
06-14-2005, 11:30 AM
SO we just kick Santa Barbara out and we're good? ;)

I think my mother watches that show.

TeamCasey
06-14-2005, 11:40 AM
The question is another pathetic slam on California.

People should make fun of Californians for that whole tofu thing. ;)

westofyou
06-14-2005, 11:44 AM
People should make fun of Californians for that whole tofu thing. ;)

Tofu from asia..... and damn good girlie. :mooner:

TeamCasey
06-14-2005, 11:57 AM
Tofu from asia..... and damn good girlie. :mooner:

Yes, but you twigmunchers introduced it to the states!



( ;) It's not that bad. It has no taste ..... kind of like egg white.)

SunDeck
06-14-2005, 12:19 PM
Yes, but you twigmunchers introduced it to the states!



( ;) It's not that bad. It has no taste ..... kind of like egg white.)

I like it with chicken. :mooner:

Hey on this secession thingy, if we're gonna dump Cali, then I think we need to dump a red state in the spirit of the Missouri Compromise.

Rojo
06-14-2005, 12:48 PM
Everyone wants to visit California, at least once. Texas, otoh......

RedFanAlways1966
06-14-2005, 01:12 PM
Everyone wants to visit California, at least once.

Not me, Rojo. Not b/c of politics,trials or anything of the sort.

It has to do with the sudden shaking of the earth.... cracks in the roads and buildings collapsing. Pieces of bridges breaking off and cars plunging into the water below it. Gas explosions. Highway collapses. The A's and the Giants getting their families onto the field for safety. Etc, etc, etc.

Scares me! I'll stay where I am and cope with the occasional tornado warning and flash flood watch.

registerthis
06-14-2005, 02:10 PM
Not me, Rojo. Not b/c of politics,trials or anything of the sort.

It has to do with the sudden shaking of the earth.... cracks in the roads and buildings collapsing. Pieces of bridges breaking off and cars plunging into the water below it. Gas explosions. Highway collapses. The A's and the Giants getting their families onto the field for safety. Etc, etc, etc.

Scares me! I'll stay where I am and cope with the occasional tornado warning and flash flood watch.
Well, then, I must say, you're missing out on visiting two of the most beautiful (and unique) cities in the U.S. in San Francisco and San Diego. Simply amazing, both of them are.

And Northern CA, heading up to Big Sur and Eureka, you don't even realize you're in the same state. It's simply stunning.

No, CA is wacky and downright weird, but it can also be amazingly beautiful. Don't let a little earthquake keep you from visiting. You're more likely to die passing a tractor on a rural Ohio highway than in an earthquake in CA! :)

westofyou
06-14-2005, 02:14 PM
I can't imagine my life without California.

Oh, and I'll take earthquakes over tornados any day of week they're way less scary.

RBA
06-14-2005, 04:06 PM
Hey,

What about Republican Heros:

Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Arnold, and Charlton Heston? to name a few.

Joseph
06-14-2005, 04:22 PM
Yes, and take Texas with them. :)

KronoRed
06-14-2005, 04:30 PM
Oh, and I'll take earthquakes over tornados any day of week they're way less scary.

I disagree on this, you can run from a tornado (maybe not successfully) but you are stuck with an earthquake unless you get airborne ;)

westofyou
06-14-2005, 04:35 PM
I disagree on this, you can run from a tornado (maybe not successfully) but you are stuck with an earthquake unless you get airborne ;)

If it shakes walk outside, stand and wait. It will stop.

Jaycint
06-14-2005, 04:40 PM
If it shakes walk outside, stand and wait. It will stop.

Unless you are one of those unfortunate souls sitting in your car on or under a concrete bridge. That being said, I think I'm willing to take the chance that a 1906 or 1989 magnitude earthquake isn't going to hit in the timeframe that I choose to visit sunny CA.

westofyou
06-14-2005, 04:47 PM
Unless you are one of those unfortunate souls sitting in your car on or under a concrete bridge. That being said, I think I'm willing to take the chance that a 1906 or 1989 magnitude earthquake isn't going to hit in the timeframe that I choose to visit sunny CA.

Everyone I know in a car during Loma Prieta barely noticed it, if they did they thought at the time that their car was "acting" up.

Jaycint
06-14-2005, 04:51 PM
Everyone I know in a car during Loma Prieta barely noticed it, if they did they thought at the time that their car was "acting" up.

What I'm referring to specifically are the scenes of cars driving off the edge of fractured bridge expanses and cars get crushed by falling chunks of bridge because they were the lottery winner that happened to be passing under just as it fell. Am I confusing these scenes from another earthquake somewhere? I could have sworn I remember this from the 1989 quake.

Again, I'd love to visit CA, especially the northern part, I'm a bigfoot junkie. :D

RedFanAlways1966
06-14-2005, 04:52 PM
See what non-stop news coverage has done to me! Earthquakes just plain scare me. Although I'd love to see the sights... Monterey Bay and many other areas of the state.

I was in an earthquake once. It happened here in Ohio. I am sure many of you remember that! You could actually feel the ground shake and things fell off shelves at home.

Jaycint
06-14-2005, 04:54 PM
See what non-stop news coverage has done to me! Earthquakes just plain scare me. Although I'd love to see the sights... Monterey Bay and many other areas of the state.

I was in an earthquake once. It happened here in Ohio. I am sure many of you remember that! You could actually feel the ground shake and things fell off shelves at home.

Yeah, from what I can remember there is a fairly major fault line that runs along the western edge of Kentucky, it gives us a little excitement from time to time even up here in Cincy.

westofyou
06-14-2005, 04:55 PM
What I'm referring to specifically are the scenes of cars driving off the edge of fractured bridge expanses and cars get crushed by falling chunks of bridge because they were the lottery winner that happened to be passing under just as it fell. Am I confusing these scenes from another earthquake somewhere? I could have sworn I remember this from the 1989 quake.

Again, I'd love to visit CA, especially the northern part, I'm a bigfoot junkie. :D

The scene with the bridge was one driver who went beyond where everyone had stipped, it was the top part of a double decker, so the car would have ended up on the lower deck. The cars that got crushed were on landfill supported doubledecker freeway. Everyone else not on a bridge like structure just got a waver.

Jaycint
06-14-2005, 04:58 PM
The scene with the bridge was one driver who went beyond where everyone had stipped, it was the top part of a double decker, so the car would have ended up on the lower deck. The cars that got crushed were on landfill supported doubledecker freeway. Everyone else not on a bridge like structure just got a waver.

Thanks for the knowledge. I vote no for the secession by the way, I don't wanna have to get a passport just to go to Redwood National Park.