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jmcclain19
06-14-2005, 01:03 AM
....and as a long time Batman fan, I must give it my unequivocal thumbs up. Great, great movie.

Was treated to a premiere courtesy of a local rock station who was giving out passes to tonight's special screening.

Some of my thoughts, and please fellow Batman fans, contribute your thoughts on this as you see this movie this week.

Christian Bale as Batman - Solid choice. He plays the three roles well, with enough inner conflict to make him a great Batman. I don't know what it is, but for some reason, he always looks like he has lipstick and face makeup on when he's wearing the Batman mask. Maybe that's just the way his face is, but it caught my eye. They have him doing quite a bit of martial arts training in the begining, which is a different touch, but it works in the context. Also does a great job of showing how he's conflicted by bats, and how he comes about to choose 'bats" as his weapon of fear.

Rather than share much else of the plot, because it has some nice turns, splits and surprises, I'll say there are several great points of humor littered during very serious scenes, which sets the tone for the movie. Made it go by quickly despite it being nearly 2:30 hours. The ending is great, a funny twist, and the entire theatre I was in roared with laughter and applause.

Commish. Gordon appears in the movie as "Sgt" Gordon, and sets up how the two work together in the series.

If your looking for a "pre-qual" or a continuation of the other Batman movies in the last two decades - don't.

The movie makes sure to cut the ties by making several big departures, including changes in details of how Bruce's parents are killed and who does it, a complete change from the first Batman w/ Michael Keaton.

The film is dark, yet makes light jokes at the right times to keep it moving.

The realism factor makes a big difference in learning how he becomes Batman as well, and I thought was a great touch. Lots of big time actors too, Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes, Liam Neeson, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine, who at times steals the show.

Anyway, I've been a longtime Batman fan, and was quite irked at how much a steaming pile of you know what the last two movies have been.

From this fan, the movie gets a big thumbs up. Go see it.

WMR
06-14-2005, 02:15 AM
Which villains are in this Batman?

jmcclain19
06-14-2005, 02:24 AM
Which villains are in this Batman?

Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul

missionhockey21
06-14-2005, 02:40 AM
Everything I've heard of the flick has been glowing. Batman is without a doubt my favorite comic book character and I am so thrilled to hear that they have finally captured the gritty essence of the Batman series. I can't wait!

Steve4192
06-14-2005, 07:50 AM
Lots of big time actors too, Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes, Liam Neeson, Gary Oldman and Michael Caine, who at times steals the show.
Which one of these does not belong with the others?

KronoRed
06-14-2005, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the report Josh..sounds like it's worth a viewing :)

DoogMinAmo
06-15-2005, 03:15 PM
Saw the 12:01 showing/ premiere last night. Amazing, just amazing. You WILL like this movie.

Red Leader
06-15-2005, 03:18 PM
Thanks for the report, Josh. Did the artist formerly known as Prince do the soundtrack? I really like Prince. :laugh:

WVRed
06-15-2005, 03:31 PM
Saw the 12:01 showing/ premiere last night. Amazing, just amazing. You WILL like this movie.

Just got back, ABSOLUTELY loved it. This is by far the best Batman movie yet.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 06:58 PM
It is very good. And this is coming from a Marvel fan (come on, I grew up in the 70s, how could I avoid it?). Lots of big name actors playing smaller roles so that they don't get annoying and cloud the fact that you're watching a movie about a comic book hero. Not a lot of fluff and wasted energy--gets down to business early and often. Very entertaining.

Larkin411
06-15-2005, 08:09 PM
I liked it too. I can't believe the guy who directed "Memento" ended-up directing a Batman movie. It made me wonder what Guy Pearce would've been like in the Batman role although I thought Christian Bale was very good. I also loved the performances of Cillian Murphy and Morgan Freeman.
The only bad things about the movie(IMO):
1.Katie Holmes' character was totally pointless. Why must every movie have a superfluous love interest? Bleh.
2. Some of the stuff about the nature of evil, criminals blah blah blah seemed kind of stupid. I know it's just an action movie but really there's no need to insult the audience's intelligence unduly.

WVRed
06-15-2005, 10:00 PM
1.Katie Holmes' character was totally pointless. Why must every movie have a superfluous love interest? Bleh.


But she was hot.;)

I do agree. With Spiderman, you had Mary Jane. With Superman, you had Lois Lane. With Batman, you dont have that luxury unless you work Catwoman into the equation.

ochre
06-15-2005, 11:03 PM
But she was hot.;)

I do agree. With Spiderman, you had Mary Jane. With Superman, you had Lois Lane. With Batman, you dont have that luxury unless you work Catwoman into the equation.
Gotham is Batman's woman.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 11:08 PM
Also, nobody can stop Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman :)

KYRedsFan
06-16-2005, 12:41 AM
Can't wait to see it. Here's a scene on the cutting room floor. Katie Holmes was busy


Gotham PD (http://www.geocities.com/ktabel01/)

SteelSD
06-16-2005, 12:54 AM
But she was hot.;)

I do agree. With Spiderman, you had Mary Jane. With Superman, you had Lois Lane. With Batman, you dont have that luxury unless you work Catwoman into the equation.

Bah! Mary Jane Watson couldn't carry Gwen Stacey's go-go boots. Ok...ok...so Gwen did cheat on Peter with Norman Osborne (resulting in two kids). But she was still hotter.

Lana Lang was hotter than Lois seven days a week.

I haven't seen the new Batman film yet, but I would have figured that Talia (Ra's Al Ghul's daughter) would have been in the thick of things as Batman's love interest.

She and the Dark Knight did, after all, conceive a child.

But then, both Marvel and DC do cruddy work with girlfriends, wives, and love interests.

Heck, Alicia Masters proved to us all that only a blind woman would love someone who looked like The Thing. And get this- Johnny Storm ended up marrying Alicia...or so he thought...(more later)

The best squeeze Matt Murdock ever had was falsely told she had AIDS when Mysterio tangled with DD. That was a lie of course, but then Bullseye showed up and Karen Page died in Daredevil's arms. Ol' hornhead did have a fling or two with Elektra, but she always runs off. Now she's been killed by the Gorgon and reanimated by Hydra. Nice treatment there, gang. To top it all off, the blind lawyer found a blind chick he dug and ended up marrying her. Of course, he also went nuts from stress and she asked him for a divorce. Don't agree to marry crazy costumed vigilantes. That's bad.

Betty Ross loved Bruce Banner, but the whole father in law thing would have never worked out in the first place as old Thunderbolt Ross' main mission in life was to kill the Hulk.

Sue Storm could have turned her clothes invisible for any man on the planet, but chooses Reed Richards to be the lucky guy. He should have used the Ultimate Nullifier when he first faced Galactus. Would have blinked Galactus AND himself out of existence. Two birds. One stone.

While we're talking about the fab four freaks from Four Freedom's plaza, Johnny Storm got it on with Crystal from the Inhumans. She was a cutie all right. But she had to return to her home because she couldn't handle New York smog. Crystal ended up marrying Pietro Maximoff and that marriage fell apart as it was destined to because Pietro is a jerk. So Johnny moved on and ended up with Ben's old squeeze...or so he thought...Alicia Masters. Even married her. Problem is that the chick he married wasn't Alicia. She was a Skrull. There goes that one, but at least it wasn't Johnny's fault. He hooked up with a chick named Frankie Raye as well. She was cool. Then Galactus showed up and she left Johnny to become his new Herald. This again demonstrates the Reed should have used the Ultimate Nullifier. For a smart guy, Reed's pretty stupid.

Jean Grey keeps dying. Professor X loves Lilandra of the Shi'ar, but the drawback is that she needs to preen her feathers in another galaxy most of the day, leaving little time for Chuck. Oh, that, and her sister keeps trying to off everyone in sight. Marvel even killed off Wolvie's sweetie, Mariko. Snikt. Who knows if Peter Rasputin will FINALLY make it with Kitty Pryde before he gets offed again. In any case, Kitty's been waiting since before she was even legal.

Henry Pym's main relationship claim to fame is beating up his wife. And speaking of dysfunctional relationships, Wanda Maximoff married a dang Android, cheated on him with a dead guy, fabricated two kids she never had, went crazy (yes, redundant I know) and killed her hubby, Ant Man, and Hawkeye and messed a whole lot of other stuff up for the Marvel Universe by changing reality all over the place.

Over at DC, things weren't any better...

Even when they were together, the Black Canary and Green Arrow needed couples counseling.

Dick Grayson sorta had a thing for Barbara Gordon, but never even kissed her until AFTER the Joker plunked a slug into her spine; paralyzing one of the most interesting characters around. Of course, now she's another one of the most interesting characters around. But still. Leave her alone!

Ralph Dibney's wife Sue? Raped by Dr. Light, and then killed years later by the ex-wife of the Atom. Yeah. Fun.

Kyle Rayner's girlfriend? Killed by Major Force and stuffed into a refrigerator right after Rayner donned a certain green ring. He later got together with Alan Scott's emerald-hued daughter which seemed to be a match made in Oa. Eh. Broke up.

Metamorpho died. Came back to life though because heck, how can a being made of pure elements really die? Problem was that before he came back a piece of him animated itself, gained sentience and started dating an android alien chick. Not saying that it's a bad thing, but consider how messed up that'll make a robot chick from another planet.

Barry Allen gave his life to save the universe. But not before Professor Zoom killed Iris Allen. Then Wally West started dating and finally got it right with Linda Park. Problem was that Abra Kadabra blinked her out of existence, erasing her from the mind of everyone but Bart Allen. And, like anyone would believe him. That all got resolved and then Hal Jordan shows up wearing his Spectre suit, grants Wally's wish that everything change and Linda ends up forgetting HIM. Bwahahahahaha!!!!

And that's why I like Bruce Wayne's way of doing things. No mess. No committments. No problems like chicks getting killed or stolen by huge cosmic-powered planet eaters or blinked out of existence. His love-em-and-leave-em style really protects the girls in his life and keeps things less complicated for him.

Well, unless we consider all that back child support he's going to have to pay...someday...;)

SteelSD
06-16-2005, 01:15 AM
Ok...it has come to my attention that some folks might not have a clue as to who I'm talking about when I use the first and last names in the post above.

So...FINE...here:

Johnny Storm= The Human Torch
Bruce Banner= The Incredible Hulk
Sue Storm= The Invisible Girl= The Invisible Woman
Reed Richards= Mister Fantastic
Matt Murdock= Daredevil
Frankie Raye= Nova II
Pietro Maximoff= Quicksilver
Wanda Maximoff= The Scarlet Witch
Jean Grey= Marvel Girl I= Phoenix
"Chuck"= Charles Xavier= Professor X
Peter Rasputin= Colossus
Kitty Pryde= Sprite= Shadowcat
Henry Pym= Giant Man= Yellowjacket
Dick Grayson= Robin I= Nightwing
Barbara Gordon= Batgirl I= Oracle
Ralph Dibney= The Elongated Man
Kyle Rayner= Green Lantern ? (V...I think)
Alan Scott= Green Lantern I
Barry Allen= The Flash II
Wally West= Kid Flash I= The Flash III
Bart Allen= Impulse= Kid Flash II
Hal Jordan= Green Lantern II= The Spectre= Green Lantern II (don't ask)
Bruce Wayne= Batman

THERE! I hope you're happy, Pedro!!! ;)

halcyon
06-16-2005, 01:39 AM
Saw the movie tonite -- loved it. I'm a fan of Christian Bale so naturally I was pleased with his work. The movie was fairly dark with some good humor moments.

RedsBaron
06-16-2005, 07:24 AM
Also, nobody can stop Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman :) :thumbup:

GAC
06-16-2005, 08:01 AM
Bah! Mary Jane Watson couldn't carry Gwen Stacey's go-go boots. Ok...ok...so Gwen did cheat on Peter with Norman Osborne (resulting in two kids). But she was still hotter.

Lana Lang was hotter than Lois seven days a week.

I haven't seen the new Batman film yet, but I would have figured that Talia (Ra's Al Ghul's daughter) would have been in the thick of things as Batman's love interest.

She and the Dark Knight did, after all, conceive a child.

But then, both Marvel and DC do cruddy work with girlfriends, wives, and love interests.

Heck, Alicia Masters proved to us all that only a blind woman would love someone who looked like The Thing. And get this- Johnny Storm ended up marrying Alicia...or so he thought...(more later)

The best squeeze Matt Murdock ever had was falsely told she had AIDS when Mysterio tangled with DD. That was a lie of course, but then Bullseye showed up and Karen Page died in Daredevil's arms. Ol' hornhead did have a fling or two with Elektra, but she always runs off. Now she's been killed by the Gorgon and reanimated by Hydra. Nice treatment there, gang. To top it all off, the blind lawyer found a blind chick he dug and ended up marrying her. Of course, he also went nuts from stress and she asked him for a divorce. Don't agree to marry crazy costumed vigilantes. That's bad.

Betty Ross loved Bruce Banner, but the whole father in law thing would have never worked out in the first place as old Thunderbolt Ross' main mission in life was to kill the Hulk.

Sue Storm could have turned her clothes invisible for any man on the planet, but chooses Reed Richards to be the lucky guy. He should have used the Ultimate Nullifier when he first faced Galactus. Would have blinked Galactus AND himself out of existence. Two birds. One stone.

While we're talking about the fab four freaks from Four Freedom's plaza, Johnny Storm got it on with Crystal from the Inhumans. She was a cutie all right. But she had to return to her home because she couldn't handle New York smog. Crystal ended up marrying Pietro Maximoff and that marriage fell apart as it was destined to because Pietro is a jerk. So Johnny moved on and ended up with Ben's old squeeze...or so he thought...Alicia Masters. Even married her. Problem is that the chick he married wasn't Alicia. She was a Skrull. There goes that one, but at least it wasn't Johnny's fault. He hooked up with a chick named Frankie Raye as well. She was cool. Then Galactus showed up and she left Johnny to become his new Herald. This again demonstrates the Reed should have used the Ultimate Nullifier. For a smart guy, Reed's pretty stupid.

Jean Grey keeps dying. Professor X loves Lilandra of the Shi'ar, but the drawback is that she needs to preen her feathers in another galaxy most of the day, leaving little time for Chuck. Oh, that, and her sister keeps trying to off everyone in sight. Marvel even killed off Wolvie's sweetie, Mariko. Snikt. Who knows if Peter Rasputin will FINALLY make it with Kitty Pryde before he gets offed again. In any case, Kitty's been waiting since before she was even legal.

Henry Pym's main relationship claim to fame is beating up his wife. And speaking of dysfunctional relationships, Wanda Maximoff married a dang Android, cheated on him with a dead guy, fabricated two kids she never had, went crazy (yes, redundant I know) and killed her hubby, Ant Man, and Hawkeye and messed a whole lot of other stuff up for the Marvel Universe by changing reality all over the place.

Over at DC, things weren't any better...

Even when they were together, the Black Canary and Green Arrow needed couples counseling.

Dick Grayson sorta had a thing for Barbara Gordon, but never even kissed her until AFTER the Joker plunked a slug into her spine; paralyzing one of the most interesting characters around. Of course, now she's another one of the most interesting characters around. But still. Leave her alone!

Ralph Dibney's wife Sue? Raped by Dr. Light, and then killed years later by the ex-wife of the Atom. Yeah. Fun.

Kyle Rayner's girlfriend? Killed by Major Force and stuffed into a refrigerator right after Rayner donned a certain green ring. He later got together with Alan Scott's emerald-hued daughter which seemed to be a match made in Oa. Eh. Broke up.

Metamorpho died. Came back to life though because heck, how can a being made of pure elements really die? Problem was that before he came back a piece of him animated itself, gained sentience and started dating an android alien chick. Not saying that it's a bad thing, but consider how messed up that'll make a robot chick from another planet.

Barry Allen gave his life to save the universe. But not before Professor Zoom killed Iris Allen. Then Wally West started dating and finally got it right with Linda Park. Problem was that Abra Kadabra blinked her out of existence, erasing her from the mind of everyone but Bart Allen. And, like anyone would believe him. That all got resolved and then Hal Jordan shows up wearing his Spectre suit, grants Wally's wish that everything change and Linda ends up forgetting HIM. Bwahahahahaha!!!!

And that's why I like Bruce Wayne's way of doing things. No mess. No committments. No problems like chicks getting killed or stolen by huge cosmic-powered planet eaters or blinked out of existence. His love-em-and-leave-em style really protects the girls in his life and keeps things less complicated for him.

Well, unless we consider all that back child support he's going to have to pay...someday...;)

You need to get out more! ;)

LvJ
06-16-2005, 09:10 AM
Will be seeing this friday with a few friends. Can't wait. :dancingco

LvJ
06-17-2005, 11:58 PM
Oh. My. God.

The Baumer
06-18-2005, 12:14 AM
1.Katie Holmes' character was totally pointless. Why must every movie have a superfluous love interest? Bleh.


I heard WB forced Nolan to add a love interest, so they wrote in that character of Rachel Dawes. But if you see the movie you'll noticed they handled it pretty well. Dawes' character becomes part of what keeps Bruce/Batman grounded.

Larkin411
06-18-2005, 08:16 PM
I heard WB forced Nolan to add a love interest, so they wrote in that character of Rachel Dawes. But if you see the movie you'll noticed they handled it pretty well. Dawes' character becomes part of what keeps Bruce/Batman grounded.

Yeah during the movie I kept thinking that with a few minor tweaks this character didn't really have to be a love interest at all. Reminded me of "A Few Good Men" where Demi Moore's character was originally a man. I just get annoyed because you know in the next movie it will be like the character never existed yet we're supposed to believe there's some strong emotional connection between the two.

GIK
06-19-2005, 11:03 AM
Excellent movie. Extremely better than Star Wars III.

This movie not only had great visuals, but an interesting and well developed story.

4 stars. Loved it.

Raisor
06-19-2005, 10:06 PM
Sweet Fancy Moses that was great.

Right up there with Spiderman 2, X-Men 2, and the original Superman movie as near PERFECT comic book movies.

Not just a good comic book movie, but a good movie, period.

Gary Oldman was born to play Frank Miller's James Gordon.

MrCinatit
06-20-2005, 12:00 AM
'twas a rather spectacular movie...what really impressed the heck out of me is how Nolan kept the action moving from the very start.
though i did like the first two installments of the last series of Batman movies, i would love to see them continue forward with the present trend.

savafan
06-20-2005, 09:06 AM
Saw it at the drive-in on Saturday with Miss Congeniality 2 (I do question who matches up those movies). It was a great movie, and I agree about Gary Oldman being born to play James Gordon.

Also, didn't mind TomKat too much, as her character did serve a purpose.

I do have to say that I was shocked by that rather interesting turn of events near the end of the movie.

RFS62
07-02-2005, 08:32 AM
Fantastic. Superb.

Just saw it yesterday and couldn't believe how good it was.

Michael Keaton is Beetlejuice. Michael Keaton isn't Batman.

I don't even want to comment on the crapfest the earlier series turned into after Burton left.

RedsBaron
07-02-2005, 08:40 AM
I took my eight year old son to see Batman Begins last week. I liked it-he loved it. He sat glued to his seat, not saying a word, not asking for anything to drink or to go to the restroom. He had loved Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, but he loved Batman more.
I did think it was very well done. Christian Bale did a superb job, and he was ably supported by an excellent cast.

GAC
07-02-2005, 09:39 AM
We're perplexed right now. We get a choice today - either Batman Begins or War Of The Worlds? Me thinks we're leaning towards the Bat. But the kids got chores to do first. There is always that incentive. ;)

RedsBaron
07-02-2005, 09:43 AM
We're perplexed right now. We get a choice today - either Batman Begins or War Of The Worlds? Me thinks we're leaning towards the Bat. But the kids got chores to do first. There is always that incentive. ;)
How old are your kids? I haven't seen War of the Worlds yet, but from what I've read it may not be as well liked by kids as Batman. Batman Begins was, as I posted, loved by my eight year old, but it also appeals to adults. I'd go with the Bat.

RFS62
07-02-2005, 09:47 AM
Theater will probably be a lot less crowded at Batman Begins, since War of the Worlds just opened.

I loved Batman Begins. I thought it was outstanding, and hope they make a gazillion sequals.

RedsBaron
07-02-2005, 09:56 AM
By the way, some critics have panned Katie Holmes's performance in Batman Begins. She certainly will win no Oscar, but I thought she did okay with the part, and I didn't feel the "love interest" angle of the story detracted from the movie at all.
Morgan Freeman (as usual) stole every scene he was in.

RFS62
07-02-2005, 10:26 AM
Morgan Freeman (as usual) stole every scene he was in.


No kidding. Morgan is my favorite actor, well besides Tom Cruise, of course. 'Cause he's dreamy, and stuff.

GAC
07-02-2005, 04:52 PM
How old are your kids? I haven't seen War of the Worlds yet, but from what I've read it may not be as well liked by kids as Batman. Batman Begins was, as I posted, loved by my eight year old, but it also appeals to adults. I'd go with the Bat.

16, 13, and 9. We just got back from mowing and trimming grandma's yard, and various other chores. We got back home, ate dinner, and everyone fell asleep! :lol:

We'll try again tommorrow! :)

RedsBaron
07-02-2005, 06:33 PM
16, 13, and 9. We just got back from mowing and trimming grandma's yard, and various other chores. We got back home, ate dinner, and everyone fell asleep! :lol:

We'll try again tommorrow! :)
You mean you were not anxiously monitoring RedsZone at all times just in case another poster demanded your immediate comment on Karl Rove? How inconsiderate of you! :eek: :evil:
I took my 12 year old son to Little League all star practice. The whole family then went swimming. I've got back just in time to quickly check RedsZone before leaving for a pizza and fireworks.
I'd encourage you to take them all to Batman. I think they'd like it.

GAC
07-03-2005, 10:12 AM
I think Karl Rove would make a good Batman. :evil: