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Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 06:06 PM
Lineup isn't out yet...but I do know Aurilia had a back flare and is sitting. Randa is DH and Luis Lopez plays 3rd



My guess would be

Dunn at 1st
Freel at 2nd
Lopez and short
Lopez at third
Larue catching
Pena in right
Griffey in center
Kelly or Cruz in right

Tony Cloninger
06-15-2005, 06:07 PM
And is batting 3rd right??

Beacuse Miley is too lazy to change the position on the batting order.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Luis Lopez? :help:

My guess is he will bat 2nd.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 06:13 PM
I guess Aurillia isn't the most uselss player in baseball.

TC81190
06-15-2005, 06:16 PM
Luis Lopez? :bang:

BTW, why does our PA announcer call him "Looey" Lopez? :rolleyes:

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 06:18 PM
Luis Lopez? :bang:

BTW, why does our PA announcer call him "Looey" Lopez? :rolleyes:

Because it gets the song "Louie Louie" stuck in your head...and that's better then watching him bat ;)

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 06:20 PM
Because it gets the song "Louie Louie" stuck in your head...and that's better then watching him bat ;)

:D You mean like you just did to me?

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 06:22 PM
Exactly :D

That should be his at bat music to make it easier ;)

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 06:24 PM
Lineup isn't out yet...but I do know Aurilia had a back flare and is sitting. Randa is DH and Luis Lopez plays 3rd.

Your kidding. I just posted on Reds Live that L. Lopez was the only Red to have a hit against Arroyo. Miley must have read my post. I'll be banned for sure now. ;)

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2005, 06:47 PM
Dunn 5th even with Casey out. :rolleyes:


CINCINNATI AT BOSTON -- LINEUPS

CINCINNATI BOSTON
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Ryan Freel 2B .298 2 9 Johnny Damon CF .346 2 37
Joe Randa DH .286 8 35 Edgar Renteria SS .264 5 26
Ken Griffey Jr CF .273 11 43 David Ortiz DH .292 16 52
Wily Mo Pena RF .288 8 17 Manny Ramirez LF .256 14 50
Adam Dunn 1B .243 16 33 Trot Nixon RF .294 8 37
Felipe Lopez SS .303 10 36 Kevin Millar 1B .276 4 27
Jacob Cruz LF .280 2 8 Jason Varitek C .326 11 27
Jason Larue C .238 5 23 Bill Mueller 3B .279 3 22
Luis Lopez 3B .150 0 1 Mark Bellhorn 2B .240 3 16

Aaron Harang RHP (4-4, 3.52) Bronson Arroyo RHP (4-3, 4.54)

danforsman
06-15-2005, 06:49 PM
I don't see Luis Lopez starting over anyone on the roster as being a good decision. How about getting Kenny Kelly a start, if even at DH?

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 06:50 PM
I think in a lineup of Larson/Castro/Miller/Romano/Cruz that Dunn would STILL be 5th

:(

Joseph
06-15-2005, 06:52 PM
Shoulda let Kelly start.

Redny
06-15-2005, 06:53 PM
Strange line-up. Randa's the DH even though he is by far the best defensive 3Bman. I would rather have seen Kelly in LF and Cruz at DH. Sometimes I just don't get Miley, job on the line and he puts this line-up out there.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 06:58 PM
Strange line-up. Randa's the DH even though he is by far the best defensive 3Bman. I would rather have seen Kelly in LF and Cruz at DH. Sometimes I just don't get Miley, job on the line and he puts this line-up out there.

Absolutely!

westofyou
06-15-2005, 07:05 PM
Strange line-up. Randa's the DH even though he is by far the best defensive 3Bman. I would rather have seen Kelly in LF and Cruz at DH. Sometimes I just don't get Miley, job on the line and he puts this line-up out there.

Miley has cemented it to me that his main three guys are Casey, Randa and Aurllia. Each player is a bat on the ball player who can take the ball the other way, has occasional power and is what is termed "a thinking player"

Miley loves these types of players and will make sure they get the rest that old guys need, or he'll make sure a young guy gets some rest to ensure that the one of the three is in the lineup.

It's very indicative of the minor league lifer, he believes that there is "something" intangible that will put him over the top, not crafting a lineup that maximizes ob%, batting average or what not.

It's all tradition with Miley, slots, communication, etc... he's as flexible as a concrete wall and as imaginitive as one as well.

pedro
06-15-2005, 07:09 PM
Kill Me.

Sure am glad that Kearns is in the Minors. :rolleyes:

missionhockey21
06-15-2005, 07:15 PM
Kelly is up here when he could be in AAA getting AB's, why not give them to him now especially with Casey gone for a couple of days?

RFS62
06-15-2005, 07:16 PM
Miley has cemented it to me that his main three guys are Casey, Randa and Aurllia. Each player is a bat on the ball player who can take the ball the other way, has occasional power and is what is termed "a thinking player"

Miley loves these types of players and will make sure they get the rest that old guys need, or he'll make sure a young guy gets some rest to ensure that the one of the three is in the lineup.

It's very indicative of the minor league lifer, he believes that there is "something" intangible that will put him over the top, not crafting a lineup that maximizes ob%, batting average or what not.

It's all tradition with Miley, slots, communication, etc... he's as flexible as a concrete wall and as imaginitive as one as well.



I completely agree. He's managing his version of "old school", which is an organizational philosophy with the Reds, and many other teams.

pedro
06-15-2005, 07:17 PM
just had to get luis lopez some ab's. he's a gamer.

miley is a moron.

PuffyPig
06-15-2005, 07:17 PM
Why is caesy out? Did I miss something?

pedro
06-15-2005, 07:18 PM
Why is caesy out? Did I miss something?

his 16 year old cousin died suddenly.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 07:18 PM
Why is caesy out? Did I miss something?

Cousin died

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 07:20 PM
Great post WOY, he seems to love the guy with less talent who "plays the game"

The Miley TRIO on parade :(

Hoosier Red
06-15-2005, 07:25 PM
Kill Me.

Sure am glad that Kearns is in the Minors. :rolleyes:

Who had over # 15 for the first post mentioning how nice it would be to have Kearns to DH this week?


Thought for sure the under would win.

pedro
06-15-2005, 07:25 PM
Meanwhile Dave Miley is listening to music in his office.....

http://www.kiddierekordking.com/Rusty%20In%20Orchestraville,%20CAPITOL%20%20DCN-115_%20Henry%20Blair,%201946.JPG

westofyou
06-15-2005, 07:26 PM
Bozo Approved... this is a good thing?

Tony Cloninger
06-15-2005, 07:28 PM
Is that an unauthorized Black Sabbath bootleg?

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 07:29 PM
Bozo Approved... this is a good thing?
Clown are always a good thing

pedro
06-15-2005, 07:30 PM
Bozo Approved... this is a good thing?

yes, he's also writing a book about Adam Dunn with BadFundamentals.

http://www.kiddierekordking.com/The%20Selfish%20Giant,%20DECCA%20%20DA-389_%20Frederick%20March_%201945.JPG

westofyou
06-15-2005, 07:30 PM
Is that an unauthorized Black Sabbath bootleg?

The one with the 34 minute Fairies wear Boots.

savafan
06-15-2005, 07:34 PM
Doesn't Miley understand that this isn't gym class? Everybody doesn't have to play!

Chip R
06-15-2005, 07:50 PM
Clown are always a good thing
Unless one is managing your baseball team.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2005, 07:52 PM
OT-Sava, I :luvu: the avatar.

Eva Longoria :thumbup:

http://ourworld.cs.com/awgfx/hitit.gif

westofyou
06-15-2005, 07:52 PM
Tricky Dave Miley stacks the top of his Lineup with RH against Bronson (.200 ba, .082 WHIP vs RH's) and puts his LH's with power at the bottom. (.302 1.58 WHIP vs LH's)

Joseph
06-15-2005, 07:57 PM
Does George Grande sound like he's trying to be Mr Cool when he talks to players? Calling Francona 'Tito' repeatedly like they are pals. I'm not trying to beat that dead horse, but jeez he's got to go.

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 08:03 PM
Clown are always a good thing

Not always

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/150px-Johnwaynegacyclown.jpg

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:04 PM
i've had direct tv for two years now and still don't understand how they decide which team's broadcasters you get to listen to. for the third night in a row, i am stuck with the red sox announcers...as if losing wasn't bad enough, i have to deal with their biased opinions...

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:05 PM
Not always

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/150px-Johnwaynegacyclown.jpg

gacy was a not a clown to mess with...

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:05 PM
i've had direct tv for two years now and still don't understand how they decide which team's broadcasters you get to listen to. for the third night in a row, i am stuck with the red sox announcers...as if losing wasn't bad enough, i have to deal with their biased opinions...

Biased? I'll take them anyday over boring George and Sideshow Chris... they are to the Sox announcers what Uncle Al was to Disney.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:07 PM
Biased? I'll take them anyday over boring George and Sideshow Chris... they are to the Sox announcers what Uncle Al was to Disney.

Cool Motherflippin' Ghoul

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:07 PM
http://americasoutback.typepad.com/blog/images/sad_clown.JPG

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:08 PM
Biased? I'll take them anyday over boring George and Sideshow Chris... they are to the Sox announcers what Uncle Al was to Disney.

i agree that george and chris aren't the greatest...in fact far from it, but let's be fair...how about the home team can do the broadcast 2 of the 3 games...let the visitors have one night...

CrackerJack
06-15-2005, 08:08 PM
Hi, hello and welcome! Hope you brought your friends and family to the game tonight, brought to you by the ooooooficial chili of the Cincinnati Reds, Skyline Chili, best enjoyed with friends and family.

Beautiful night for some Reds baseball with friends and family by the way, yesssirree, so if you and some friends and family are ready for some Reds baseball, then you've come to the right place, because it's gonnnnaa beeee....a great night with friends and family and Reds baseball.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:09 PM
Cool Motherflippin' Ghoul

Went to HS with my Mother-in-law, she said he slinked down the hall against the wall.

My wife brushes her teeth the way the Cool Ghoul taught her on TV.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:09 PM
I like this pitchers leg kick..old school

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:10 PM
Went to HS with my Mother-in-law, she said he slinked down the hall against the wall.

My wife brushes her teeth the way the Cool Ghoul taught her on TV.http://www.wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/uncleal/img/tour/gallery6.jpg

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:10 PM
I like this pitchers leg kick..old school

Just his kick

http://www.projo.com/interactive/slideshow/fenway/uploads/1104602661.jpg

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:11 PM
blabababab (sp?)

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/02/05/coolg_180.jpg

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:11 PM
Cool hair too :D

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:11 PM
My friend saw Captain Wendy chase Uncle Al into the Ohio River and shoot a gun at him, my other friend got hit on very hard by Uncle Al when she was 18. he even brought out the accordian.

Randa makes an out

WMR
06-15-2005, 08:12 PM
Hey Everybody!!!

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:14 PM
My friend saw Captain Wendy chase Uncle Al into the Ohio River and shoot a gun at him, my other friend got hit on very hard by Uncle Al when she was 18. he even brought out the accordian.

Randa makes an out

Are you serious about the Captain Wendy "chase?" That's too darn much. The other episode doesn't surprise me--he was an incorrigible lech.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:14 PM
..we're the clowns apprently.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:15 PM
Are you serious about the Captain Wendy "chase?" That's too darn much. The other episode doesn't surprise me--he was an incorrigible lech.
Yep.. she was eleven and Uncle Al was at his boat with one of his "Nieces"

Freel missed his Riatalin this afternoon. and got picked off.

Griffey K's

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 08:15 PM
http://us.ent1.yimg.com/images.launch.yahoo.com/000/010/903/10903443.jpg

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:16 PM
well the first half inning was ugly...only 8 more to go ;)

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:18 PM
I have a theory that Harang struggles out of the stretch. Thus the big flies with men on base. Let's hope he doesn't walk anyone.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:20 PM
I like the hot dog guy with the hot dogs on his head

CrackerJack
06-15-2005, 08:21 PM
nice pitch to end inning there by Aaron

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Nothing upsets me more than trying to run when there is no need to. It looked to me like Freel's determination to steal really kept Griffey out of sync. In the first inning, he takes a huge lead (in fact, I said to my son it was a big lead), so we go from runner on first with one out to inning over in two throws. Not smart.

Oh well, it's just par for the course it seems. Let's hope Harang is on tonight.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:24 PM
When Wily Mo stops swinging at the curve down and away..he'll really improve

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:26 PM
Dunn gets pitches at his ankles called strikes (first pitch)

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 08:26 PM
Well there was some need to. If he was safe it would only take a single to score him which is a much better chance than Griffey or Pena getting an extra base hit.

If he got a stolen base then nobody would be complaining. It's kind of unfair to base this situation on results.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 08:28 PM
looks like the plate is about 25 inches wide tonight. I hope Harang gets the same calls.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:28 PM
Well there was some need to. If he was safe it would only take a single to score him which is a much better chance than Griffey or Pena getting an extra base hit.

If he got a stolen base then nobody would be complaining. It's kind of unfair to base this situation on results.

It's one thing to get thrown out by the catcher...but the pitcher, that's another matter.

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:29 PM
well, the k's are out in full force again...for some unknown reason though, i have a feeling we can full this one out

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 08:29 PM
Arroyo ripping the Reds up for lunch meat.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 08:29 PM
It's one thing to get thrown out by the catcher...but the pitcher, that's another matter.

It happens. If you never get picked off it means you are not taking a big enough lead.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:30 PM
Arroyo ripping the Reds up for lunch meat.

I'll be worried if this keeps up twice through. Right now, oh well.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 08:31 PM
It's one thing to get thrown out by the catcher...but the pitcher, that's another matter.

That was my point. My old baseball coach used to say if you're going to make an out on the basepaths, it had better be because you got caught stealing, or something to that effect.

I know the strike zone is generous tonight, but what's with Griffey, Dunn, and Lopez taking all those down the middle?

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:31 PM
When Wily Mo stops swinging at the curve down and away..he'll really improve

IF........

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:33 PM
I loath that wall.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:33 PM
I know the strike zone is generous tonight, but what's with Griffey, Dunn, and Lopez taking all those down the middle?

Breaking balls to start and fastballs to finish, looks like he got them off balance, the K pitch to Dunn was in a great spot, one that Dunn can't get too often.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:34 PM
The Great One is in the house according to the Red Sox Announcers

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:34 PM
I loath that wall.

me too...not sure what the "awe" is with it...i find it annoying.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:35 PM
There's gotta be a good joke that includes the names Gomer's Pyles and "Trots" Nixon.

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:35 PM
The Great One is in the house according to the Red Sox Announcers

Garth Brooks? ;)

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:36 PM
The Great One is in the house according to the Red Sox Announcers
Orson Wells?

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:36 PM
There's gotta be a good joke that includes the names Gomer's Pyles and "Trots" Nixon.

I was trying to think of one about Dan O Brien, Dave Miley, and Terry Schiavo.

I know what the punch line is anyway.......

ochre
06-15-2005, 08:37 PM
Dunn gets pitches at his ankles called strikes (first pitch)
he does have those high ankles though.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:37 PM
Trouble finding the strike zone after getting a man on base. My theory holding up so far.

He should just pitch from the wind, all the time if my theory holds true.

westofyou
06-15-2005, 08:37 PM
The wall used to be 25 feet high, burned down in 34 and was replaced with the Monster (304 feet) it has been Green since 47.

There used to be a Flag Pole in CF, in play.

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:38 PM
nice k by harang on jason

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:39 PM
The wall used to be 25 feet high, burned down in 34 and was replaced with the Monster (304 feet) it has been Green since 47.

There used to be a Flag Pole in CF, in play.

you never fail to amaze me :cool:

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 08:43 PM
Harang seems to always look like a good pitcher, not a thrower. A lot of folks were down on him last year, but what I see is a guy with a pitcher's mentality. Mix it up, hit the corners, use your head. If he keeps improving, he's going to be special.

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 08:44 PM
Well there was some need to. If he was safe it would only take a single to score him which is a much better chance than Griffey or Pena getting an extra base hit.

The first inning is a little early to be stealing bases especially for a team that's scored 3 runs in the past two games, IMO.


H XBH %
Griffey 63 28 44%
Pena 21 17 81%

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:45 PM
lopez with a big hit today...

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:46 PM
Luis breaks up the no-no!!

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 08:47 PM
Luis breaks up the no-no!!

And he's still the only Red in the lineup with a hit against Arroyo.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:49 PM
Louie loieeeeee..Louie Louie... :D

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 08:50 PM
The first inning is a little early to be stealing bases especially for a team that's scored 3 runs in the past two games, IMO

I see it differently. I see it as a way to jump start a struggling offense.

pedro
06-15-2005, 08:50 PM
I am really surprised by the number of K's Harang has been getting.

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 08:51 PM
larue with the catch...awesome :beerme:

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:52 PM
I am really surprised by the number of K's Harang has been getting.

I bet he'd make a killer closer. Not that I'm suggesting moving him there, but still. Solid movement, decent k numbers, low walks.

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 08:53 PM
Nice diving catch by PigPen on bunt popup.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:54 PM
Mark Bellhorn looks like somebody's mother, but with a beard.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 08:54 PM
That stadium is really green

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 08:55 PM
Mark Bellhorn looks like somebody's mother, but with a beard.

That's one ugly mom.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 08:56 PM
That's one ugly mom.

He just kind of has a matronly look in his eye. Like he might start singing lullabies.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:00 PM
1-0 Bad guys

Red in Chicago
06-15-2005, 09:03 PM
well, we got out with only one running scoring...they're right where we want them ;)

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:05 PM
I'm telling you, Harang isn't as sharp with men on base. But then, why should I expect Gullett to be able to figure that out?

TeamCasey
06-15-2005, 09:06 PM
Nice passionate post. http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36460

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:07 PM
I think Gullet is just in it for the paycheck and good times with old buds.

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 09:07 PM
I see it differently. I see it as a way to jump start a struggling offense.

Yes, but with two batters who have hit for XBH 44% and 81% of the time this season at bat and on deck, a stolen base is a chance that doesn't need to be taken this early in the game, if at all. Even if Freel was successful in swiping second base, that leaves first base open for the walk. Now you've taken the bat out of the hands of one of your better hitters. Yes, that would have put an extra runner on for Pena, but a stolen base is best used when playing for one run late in the game, not the first inning, IMO.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 09:11 PM
Even if Freel was successful in swiping second base, that leaves first base open for the walk. Now you've taken the bat out of the hands of one of your better hitters. Yes, that would have put an extra runner on for Pena, but a stolen base is best used when playing for one run late in the game, not the first inning, IMO.

If stealing in the first means they will walk the 3rd hitter, sign me up. Putting extra runners on base for Pena and Dunn is a recipe for scoring runs.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:12 PM
More doubles...this does not look good

RFS62
06-15-2005, 09:12 PM
The Great One is in the house according to the Red Sox Announcers


Ted Williams' frozen head?

RFS62
06-15-2005, 09:13 PM
Announcers just noted that the Sox have 30 hits in the series, to our 9

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Announcers just noted that the Sox have 30 hits in the series, to our 9

We're due then...right? :D

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 09:20 PM
Harang gets out of a first batter jam and is still looking good. Isn't it a pleasure to have a pitcher on the mound who seems to know what he's doing?
I do agree with FCB, though. He pitches better when no one's on base.

Wonder if "Gully" has noticed that?

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:21 PM
Wonder if "Gully" has noticed that?

He's trying to change it ;)

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:22 PM
Harang gets out of a first batter jam and is still looking good. Isn't it a pleasure to have a pitcher on the mound who seems to know what he's doing?
I do agree with FCB, though. He pitches better when no one's on base.

Wonder if "Gully" has noticed that?

Maybe I'm only harping on the obvious, as I think most pitchers do better out of the wind. It just seems to me to affect Aaron more obviously than some other pitchers.

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:26 PM
Shutout for 15 straight innings now.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 09:28 PM
Jason Larue amazes me. When he's hot, he's hot, but when he struggles, he really struggles. That was a horrible at-bat. Arroyo is pitching a good game, but we're helping him some.

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 09:30 PM
Wily Mo...wow

Reds Fanatic
06-15-2005, 09:30 PM
Pena drops a line drive and the Sox have runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:30 PM
Triple play time

Reds Fanatic
06-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Ortiz doubles off the wall. 3-0 Sox.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Pena drops a line drive and the Sox have runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Yup, and they scored it a hit! Marty was irate... "No wonder they have such a good offensive club when they play at home! Not only that but it hurts the pitcher"... and he's right.

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:33 PM
You can stick a fork in Harang. He has been laboring since the 3rd.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:33 PM
Ok Aaron that have enough runs

LvJ
06-15-2005, 09:33 PM
If Kearns deserves Triple A then Pena deserves double A.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:33 PM
Miley never gets 'em up that fast when Milton is pitching

Joseph
06-15-2005, 09:35 PM
It bothers me to see things happen to my team like this, but it bothers me more to see Keisler up in the pen. Not because he's not a good pitcher, but because Milton was left out the other day and he was getting shelled, but the first real sign of trouble for Harang and someone's up in the bully.

Insanity.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 09:35 PM
Miley never gets 'em up that fast when Milton is pitching

You got that right. It's been one of my pet peeves all season. But he sure doesn't hesitate when it's someone else.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:36 PM
If Kearns deserves Triple A then Pena deserves double A.

Watching WMP make "plays" like that reminds me why I was glad we signed Randa this season. EE...eek!!!

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:37 PM
You got that right. It's been one of my pet peeves all season. But he sure doesn't hesitate when it's someone else.I can't remember him actually removing a starter too quickly all year.

For those that were hoping different, this just reinforces the 5-1 homestand was a mirage

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:38 PM
I can't remember him actually removing a starter too quickly all year.

For those that were hoping different, this just reinforces the 5-1 homestand was a mirage

No it wasn't. The Reds have played MUCH better at home the whole year. When they go on the road, they are quite atrocious. This nearing sweep simply is a seasonal trend.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 09:40 PM
Another reason "Miles" doesn't understand the DH. He plays a guy who seldom is in the field in right instead of DH-ing him. He throws to the wrong base allowing another runner in scoring position.

This is getting more hopeless by the minute.

Joseph
06-15-2005, 09:40 PM
No it wasn't. The Reds have played MUCH better at home the whole year. When they go on the road, they are quite atrocious. This nearing sweep simply is a seasonal trend.

It was in the sense that no one should have hoped or believed things could be different just because they had a good homestand.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:41 PM
No it wasn't. The Reds have played MUCH better at home the whole year. When they go on the road, they are quite atrocious. This nearing sweep simply is a seasonal trend.A team that has won 6 road games by the middle of June is just a BAD baseball team

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 09:43 PM
I can't remember him actually removing a starter too quickly all year.

For those that were hoping different, this just reinforces the 5-1 homestand was a mirage

We may be talking about different things. I wasn't referring to removing a starter... I was referring to him NEVER having a replacement ready until it's too late. Almost the entire season, he doesn't even get anyone up in the pen until the pitcher has already dug a deep deep hole.

I'm shocked at Harang tonight; this just isn't like him. But then, even the best have their off nights.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:43 PM
Sending AK out has been bad for Pena. He has been terrible in every area of the game. Maybe he needs someone breathing down his neck for PT

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:43 PM
A team that has won 6 road games by the middle of June is just a BAD baseball team

But you dismiss the fact the Reds have been MUCH better at home. Doesn't mean they are any good, but fact is fact.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:45 PM
But you dismiss the fact the Reds have been MUCH better at home. Doesn't mean they are any good, but fact is fact.Means they will only lose 90+ instead of a 100+. They stink it is just a matter of degree.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:46 PM
Sending AK has has been bad for Pena. He has been terrible in every area of the game. Maybe he needs someone breathing down his neck for PT

Nah, I really don't think that's it. He's just a bad fielder. Which you can live with when his stick is going. But I think he'll always be a well subpar fielder; he's iron-gloved and I suspect has poor depth perception.

No matter the case, the Reds odds of getting something of value for Kearns, Pena continue to worsen.

Reds Fanatic
06-15-2005, 09:46 PM
Mueller singles. 5-0 Sox.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:47 PM
110 pitches on a bad night in less than 5IP. Miley must be hoping to ruin Harang

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:48 PM
Nah, I really don't think that's it. He's just a bad fielder. Which you can live with when his stick is going. But I think he'll always be a well subpar fielder; he's iron-gloved and I suspect has poor depth perception.

No matter the case, the Reds odds of getting something of value for Kearns, Pena continue to worsen.What about him suddenly becoming the mad hacker again, not even forcing the pitcher to throw a strike?

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 09:49 PM
Another day at the office...

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:49 PM
What about him suddenly becoming the mad hacker again, not even forcing the pitcher to throw a strike?

The Red Sox, being a smart team, I'm sure have a shiny new book on Pena and it contains two words: NO FASTBALLS.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 09:50 PM
No matter the case, the Reds odds of getting something of value for Kearns, Pena continue to worsen.

Everytime Pena looks bad it's stated his trade value decreases rapidly. Then he hits a HR and it soars.

In reality, Pena has great trade value whether he's hot or cold. GM's don't equate value based on a few AB's.

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:50 PM
What about him suddenly becoming the mad hacker again, not even forcing the pitcher to throw a strike?

Pena isn't hitting the first 1-3 pitches for doubles and homers like he has. He is swinging right through them. That is his MO when he is slumping.

CTA513
06-15-2005, 09:50 PM
I guess the Reds think Pena has gold glove capability... he should have been DHing all 3 days. Freel has a better glove than Pena and can cover more ground.... Heck I would rather see Kelly out there than Pena.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 09:50 PM
He hit a pretty good pitch. Harang wasn't himself tonight. He didn't stay ahead of the hitters, though through 4 innings, he was getting the job done.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:51 PM
The Red Sox, being a smart team, I'm sure have a shiny new book on Pena and it contains two words: NO FASTBALLS.it says NO STRIKES. He has swung at a couple of fastballs at his eyes.

Reds Fanatic
06-15-2005, 09:51 PM
Reds have now been outscored 22-3 this series.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:53 PM
Pena isn't hitting the first 1-3 pitches for doubles and homers like he has. He is swinging right through them. That is his MO when he is slumping.His MO is when swinging well he lays off the high fastball and low and away breaking balls and makes the pitcher actually throw the ball over the plate. He slumps when he gets himself out by swinging at bad pitches

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 09:54 PM
it says NO STRIKES. He has swung at a couple of fastballs at his eyes. He always does that. Then he gets a hold of a get-ahead meatball.

I don't think Wells threw him one fastball last night. Teams are slow to write the book on hitters. Pena's been seeing fastballs for about 7 months; now people (smart people) are respecting his power and staying the heck away from fastballs.

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 09:54 PM
If stealing in the first means they will walk the 3rd hitter, sign me up. Putting extra runners on base for Pena and Dunn is a recipe for scoring runs.

So is leaving Freel at first and letting Griffey drive him home. Freel's SB% is on the bubble for actually being detrimental to his teams run scoring. We're not talking about Eric Davis here. And Freel was picked off at first, that won't count as negative toward his SB%. In the first inning when the team isn't playing for one run, it's best if Freel keeps his butt at first and let his teammates drive him in. Somebody was being reckless in the first inning, be it Miley or Freel.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 09:54 PM
Lopez swings at a 3-2 pitch 6 inches off the ground. :bang:

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 09:58 PM
I loath the Red Sox

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 09:59 PM
His MO is when swinging well he lays off the high fastball and low and away breaking balls and makes the pitcher actually throw the ball over the plate. He slumps when he gets himself out by swinging at bad pitches

Pena can hit the high stuff. His second AB is a great example. High and away meatball he popped up. If he was his "hot" self, that is in the bleachers or scorched into the rightfield gap for a double. Pena is a streaky hitter which isn't surprising at this part of his development. Nice player to have if you truly are rebuilding, giving him AB's while you reload the minors and other typical things when the building process is going on, then after a couple of years, you have a Sammy Sosa, Vlad type player on your hands when the rest of the pieces come together and Pena has matured after 2000AB's a key cog of a championship team. Pena's gimpy tendons are a worry however.

The Reds, who won't rebuild, see him as a power source off the bench which isn't bad if Kearns was normal.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:02 PM
So is leaving Freel at first and letting Griffey drive him home.

But obviously Freel stealing is a better opportunity to score runs.

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:02 PM
We may be talking about different things. I wasn't referring to removing a starter... I was referring to him NEVER having a replacement ready until it's too late. Almost the entire season, he doesn't even get anyone up in the pen until the pitcher has already dug a deep deep hole.

I'm shocked at Harang tonight; this just isn't like him. But then, even the best have their off nights.Yeah. I'm always scratching my head at Miley and Gullett's inability to get a bullpen pitcher up quicker.

Last 3 times out Harang has been undone by one bad inning. The defense behind him doesn't help matters any.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 10:02 PM
Randa DH's, Lopez plays third. Lopez muffs play. Wow.

Baseball isn't brain surgery, but lineup construction apparently is.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:03 PM
Keisler not off to a promising start :(

Guess that game where he did well in relief of Ortiz was the anomaly.

CrackerJack
06-15-2005, 10:04 PM
George also likes the word "special." (pronounced "spacial")

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:04 PM
Randa DH's, Lopez plays third. Lopez muffs play. Wow.

Baseball isn't brain surgery, but lineup construction apparently is.

To be fair, Lopez is usually known as a pretty good fielder so putting him in the field will usually not be detrimental.

traderumor
06-15-2005, 10:05 PM
In the past few years we were watching the likes of Louis Lopez and Jacob Cruz getting starts due to injury. This year, Miley is running these guys out there when we have had pretty good health overall.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 10:06 PM
To be fair, Lopez is usually known as a pretty good fielder so putting him in the field will usually not be detrimental.

Very true, but he's young and untried at the ML level in front of (how many?) fans--big crowd. I'd rather play my regular 3rd baseman there.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:08 PM
There is a huge difference. Casey can't play. Aurillia can't play. Also, are playing with an extra position (DH) which adds in another player.

How can you possibly spin this against Miley? Who do we possibly have that is any better?

GAC
06-15-2005, 10:09 PM
All I can say about this game is that Harang didn't pitch that badly at all. The kid battled in front of some pretty shoddy defense.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:09 PM
Pena can hit the high stuff. His second AB is a great example. High and away meatball he popped up. If he was his "hot" self, that is in the bleachers or scorched into the rightfield gap for a double. Pena is a streaky hitter which isn't surprising at this part of his development. Nice player to have if you truly are rebuilding, giving him AB's while you reload the minors and other typical things when the building process is going on, then after a couple of years, you have a Sammy Sosa, Vlad type player on your hands when the rest of the pieces come together and Pena has matured after 2000AB's a key cog of a championship team. Pena's gimpy tendons are a worry however.

The Reds, who won't rebuild, see him as a power source off the bench which isn't bad if Kearns was normal.Pena hits high off speed pitches, both of his HRs on bobblehead night were hanging breaking balls(up and out of the strike zone)

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:09 PM
Randa DH's, Lopez plays third. Lopez muffs play. Wow.

Baseball isn't brain surgery, but lineup construction apparently is.
I believe that without the DH Miley feels like he's got to earn his pay by making a different lineup every day. Makes him look like he's doing something. I suppose that's what the kids call overmanaging.

I saw that facial tic of Miley's for the first time. I wonder if the team thinks it's some kind of sign.

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 10:10 PM
There is a huge difference. Casey can't play. Aurillia can't play. Also, are playing with an extra position (DH) which adds in another player.

How can you possibly spin this against Miley? Who do we possibly have that is any better?

Nah. "Miles" is the best... :help:

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Very true, but he's young and untried at the ML level in front of (how many?) fans--big crowd. I'd rather play my regular 3rd baseman there.

Born in 1970, he ain't getting any younger. Lopez is a proven major league fielder. The pressure of plaing in front of a big crowd is not a factor since he's been a semi-major league player since 1993.

Joseph
06-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Very true, but he's young and untried at the ML level in front of (how many?) fans--big crowd. I'd rather play my regular 3rd baseman there.

He's not young, in his 30's, and he's been around a bit, but I agree I'd rather have Randa there.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 10:11 PM
Pena hits high off speed pitches, both of his HRs on bobblehead night were hanging breaking balls(up and out of the strike zone)

He can hit the high fastball too. And if you can't hit the hanging breaking ball, mercy....

Pena can't hit the most mediocre of curves yet.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:12 PM
If they gave those poor sardines decent seats instead of those small ones I wonder by how much their capacity would drop.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:13 PM
DAMNIT! :(

Pena thrown out trying to stretch it to a double

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 10:13 PM
That didn't work...

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:14 PM
Is there anything WMP hasn't done wrong this series?

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:14 PM
There is a huge difference. Casey can't play. Aurillia can't play. Also, are playing with an extra position (DH) which adds in another player.

How can you possibly spin this against Miley? Who do we possibly have that is any better?
How about leaving Randa at 3rd, putting Freel in LF, Cruz in RF, Pena at DH, Dunn at 1st and Kelly in RF?

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
How about leaving Randa at 3rd, putting Freel in LF, Cruz in RF, Pena at DH, Dunn at 1st and Kelly in RF?

How many right fielders do we need at once?

LINEDRIVER
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
Can WMP do anything right?????????????

WVRedsFan
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
He's not young, in his 30's, and he's been around a bit, but I agree I'd rather have Randa there.

I know, but he's young in experience -- 52 games in his career -- and, correct me if I'm wrong, is mainly a first baseman. The infield positions are crucial and I'd have Randa at third and Cruz at first.

But no mattter, folks. This is the best we're going to get tonight.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
:devil: Tee hee. There goes Adam's chance for a sac fly!

Reds Fanatic
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
Reds finally score a run on a wild pitch. 6-1.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:15 PM
Dunn gets nothing to hit with a man on 3rd and 1 out..not his fault all the time sac fly crazy people ;)

JR scores on a passed ball/wild pitch.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:16 PM
dunn oughta get a sac fly. :D WHo else would the pitcher throw a 3-1 curveball?

LINEDRIVER
06-15-2005, 10:16 PM
I cant imagine WMP in the lineup for 150-155 games a yr.

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:17 PM
Pena half-assed it to 1st and then turned it on after he rounded 1st. If he had ran hard all the way he would have been into 2nd standing up.

Dunn fails in another sac fly opportunity. ;)

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 10:18 PM
But obviously Freel stealing is a better opportunity to score runs.

Only if he's successful. The chance of scoring with a runner on first/one out which that particular situation was is .5644. That means a team will score a run over half the time. With batters who have consistantly hit for XBH at bat or coming up, the chance of scoring is pretty good. The chance of scoring with two outs and no one on base is .1028. That's a run scoring differential of .4616, the run differential of a runner on 2B and one out is only .1478, that means the risk isn't worth the reward most of the time, especially in the first inning. It was a risky move at best and it cost the Reds a chance at a big inning.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 10:18 PM
Pena half-assed it to 1st and then turned it on after he rounded 1st. If he had ran hard all the way he would have been into 2nd standing up.

Dunn fails in another sac fly opportunity. ;)

Agree about WMP.

Now now Chip... the opportunity slipped away before he had a chance to do it.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:18 PM
How about leaving Randa at 3rd, putting Freel in LF, Cruz in RF, Pena at DH, Dunn at 1st and Kelly in RF?

Miley wanted to give Randa a rest. That is fine with me. Lopez is basically a wash with Kelly. They both offer little in production so it really comes down to who needs a rest. Lopez is a decent fileder so I have no problem putting Randa at DH since the fielding isn't really any worse.

Also, Pena needs to play the outfield everyday. He has to learn. He is not going to improve by playing DH. You can't avoid playing him in the field so you may as well play him every chance you get.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:19 PM
Bailey getting smacked around tonight. Diamond and Suzuki sure would look good right now

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:20 PM
How many right fielders do we need at once?Evidently all we can get with WMP out there. :lol:

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:20 PM
Only need 3 in both the 8th and 9th to win this :D

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:21 PM
Sure was the right time to send AK out

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:22 PM
Only if he's successful. The chance of scoring with a runner on first/one out which that particular situation was is .5644. That means a team will score a run over half the time. With batters who have consistantly hit for XBH at bat or coming up, the chance of scoring is pretty good. The chance of scoring with two outs and no one on base is .1028. That's a run scoring differential of .4616, the run differential of a runner on 2B and one out is only .1478, that means the risk isn't worth the reward most of the time, especially in the first inning. It was a risky move at best and it cost the Reds a chance at a big inning.

You're forgetting he will be safe about 75% of the time.

And just for the record, I have never seen anybody complain about Freel stealing in the first inning when he is safe.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:23 PM
Sure was the right time to send AK out

:laugh:

Hey, maybe the Bats need him more, they might still have a playoff chance ;)

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:23 PM
keisler has looked solid again tonight.

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 10:24 PM
Sure was the right time to send AK out

Like it would have mattered.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Like it would have mattered.

With the defense we have had in this series it sure did matter a lot.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Like it would have mattered.perfect logic though. Could have used a real RF and an extra bat[Dan O throws up hand and suggests sending out Kearns]

That Kelly guy sure has helped.

Aronchis
06-15-2005, 10:28 PM
Here is better logic: Bad pitching no win.

With the way Kearns was going, his defensive contributions would have been worthless and his bat already is. I think one of the reasons he was sent out now, was to avoid this series. Miley and most of his staff are most likely done.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:28 PM
sure glad we only see Keisler when a game has been decided

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:30 PM
Here is better logic: Bad pitching no win.

With the way Kearns was going, his defensive contributions would have been worthless and his bat already is. I think one of the reasons he was sent out now, was to avoid this series. Miley and most of his staff is most likely done.wow, sounds like he fits right in with LLopez, Valentin, Kelly, RA

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:30 PM
Miley wanted to give Randa a rest. That is fine with me. Lopez is basically a wash with Kelly. They both offer little in production so it really comes down to who needs a rest. Lopez is a decent fileder so I have no problem putting Randa at DH since the fielding isn't really any worse.

Also, Pena needs to play the outfield everyday. He has to learn. He is not going to improve by playing DH. You can't avoid playing him in the field so you may as well play him every chance you get.Randa can rest after the game and on the plane ride home. Why in God's name do you put a guy who can actually field the ball in a position where he doesn't field? It'd be like putting WMP as the designated fielder and not having him hit.

I understand Pena has to play every day. But why put him in at RF in what is perhaps the toughest RF in the majors? It doesn't help his confidence any screwing up out there all the time. Why not put him at a place where he can't hurt the team if you can? He's really not improving out there. He should play CF regularly where the ball isn't hooking and slicing all the time. He's much better out there when he can get on his horse and go get them. But he still has problems picking up the ball as FCB said. But he isn't going to be playing CF unless Jr. is traded or injured. It's funny that the Reds have guys like Dunn and Pena on the roster and only have a part time OF coach. Meanwhile we have 3 former catchers as coaches.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:32 PM
Randa can rest after the game and on the plane ride home. Why in God's name do you put a guy who can actually field the ball in a position where he doesn't field?because the bench sucks but he has to use it at some point.

Interesting to see that Milwaukee call up Fielder for the AL play.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:35 PM
game sure might different if WMP hadn't gotten thrown out

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:36 PM
because the bench sucks but he has to use it at some point.

Interesting to see that Milwaukee call up Fielder for the AL play.Oh yeah.

Nice to see an organization that has a clue. Wait, did I just say that about Milwaukee? :eek:

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:39 PM
Oh yeah.

Nice to see an organization that has a clue. Wait, did I just say that about Milwaukee? :eek:as well as calling up Weeks and acquiring Ohka

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 10:39 PM
The Brewers are in better shape for the future than the Reds.

Now that is sad.

jmcclain19
06-15-2005, 10:40 PM
Oh yeah.

Nice to see an organization that has a clue. Wait, did I just say that about Milwaukee? :eek:

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/hell.jpg

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:41 PM
taking strikes and swinging at balls, a bad combination

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2005, 10:41 PM
Wily Mo would make a great golfer.

SteelSD
06-15-2005, 10:42 PM
taking strikes and swinging at balls, a bad combination

Always and forevermore.

And don't look now, but Pena's OBP is on quite the slide.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:42 PM
Maybe Wily Mo needs Kearns looking over his shoulder

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:42 PM
The Brewers are in better shape for the future than the Reds.

Now that is sad.without a doubt. A true #1 starter, 2 future stars in Fielder and Weeks. A big time trading chip in Overbay and not a lot money tied up in bad contracts(only Jenkins).

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Maybe Wily Mo needs Kearns looking over his shouldermust be an echo in here

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Randa can rest after the game and on the plane ride home. Why in God's name do you put a guy who can actually field the ball in a position where he doesn't field? It'd be like putting WMP as the designated fielder and not having him hit.

I understand Pena has to play every day. But why put him in at RF in what is perhaps the toughest RF in the majors? It doesn't help his confidence any screwing up out there all the time. Why not put him at a place where he can't hurt the team if you can? He's really not improving out there. He should play CF regularly where the ball isn't hooking and slicing all the time. He's much better out there when he can get on his horse and go get them. But he still has problems picking up the ball as FCB said. But he isn't going to be playing CF unless Jr. is traded or injured. It's funny that the Reds have guys like Dunn and Pena on the roster and only have a part time OF coach. Meanwhile we have 3 former catchers as coaches.

Players need days off where they don't play a game. It happens all of the time. Miley was not the first NL manager to use interleague play as a chance to rest his players. Luis Lopez is known as a good fileder that is probably up to par with Randa. On a day to day basis his defense would not hurt us. This was not the first time a good defensive player made an error.

Pena needs to play everyday so he will eventually improve. Hiding him every chance we get is not going to help. This is probably the best place to learn all of the tricky hops and everything. The only way to learn is with experience.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Always and forevermore.

And don't look now, but Pena's OBP is on quite the slide.as long as his OBP is solely BA dependent it will always be low

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:43 PM
must be an echo in here
I think it's that hair ;)

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:45 PM
Get ready to hear "It's ok, the Red Sox are the champs"

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:45 PM
BTW, it is obvious Dunn grew up as a 1B. Anyone know why he doesn't like playing first?

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:46 PM
Get ready to hear "It's ok, the Red Sox are the champs"and the Reds are the chumps, or is it chimps, or Shemps?

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 10:46 PM
as long as his OBP is solely BA dependent it will always be low

Yep. But clearly his slugging will keep the guy in the majors. However, the guy needs to be stashed in some team's left field.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:47 PM
and the Reds are the chumps, or is it chimps, or Shemps?
We're the whipping boy of at least 20 teams

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:48 PM
Dave, don't go to the pen..what's the point?

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:49 PM
Yep. But clearly his slugging will keep the guy in the majors. However, the guy needs to be stashed in some team's left field.and not as a cleanup hitter. Should be hitting 6th

Matt700wlw
06-15-2005, 10:49 PM
Dave, don't go to the pen..what's the point?

I was thinking the exact same thing...

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:49 PM
Dave, don't go to the pen..what's the point?Sox need some more runs

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:50 PM
Dave, don't go to the pen..what's the point?

Can't hurt giving Coffey a batter of work.

SteelSD
06-15-2005, 10:50 PM
Players need days off where they don't play a game. It happens all of the time. Miley was not the first NL manager to use interleague play as a chance to rest his players. Luis Lopez is known as a good fileder that is probably up to par with Randa. On a day to day basis his defense would not hurt us. This was not the first time a good defensive player made an error.

Luis Lopez has played 94 games at 3B at the MLB level and has posted a .924 FP.

Luis Lopez EVER getting a start at any defensive position- particularly one he's not good at- is just pure lunacy. He's like Juan Castro without the defensive skill set.

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 10:50 PM
Players need days off where they don't play a game. It happens all of the time.

IIRC, Randa had a day off just a few days ago (wasn't Rich playing third?). I really doubt he needed another so soon.

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:51 PM
In other news the yanks have filed a protest that they don't get to see the Reds this year

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Luis Lopez has played 94 games at 3B at the MLB level and has posted a .924 FP.

Luis Lopez EVER getting a start at any defensive position- particularly one he's not good at- is just pure lunacy. He's like Juan Castro without the defensive skill set.Which makes him very valuable on a roster. :laugh:

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Dunn leading off the inning..imagine that.

Chip R
06-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Yep. But clearly his slugging will keep the guy in the majors. However, the guy needs to be stashed in some team's left field.I thought LF was where they put the good fielders. ;)

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Luis Lopez has played 94 games at 3B at the MLB level and has posted a .924 FP.

Luis Lopez EVER getting a start at any defensive position- particularly one he's not good at- is just pure lunacy. He's like Juan Castro without the defensive skill set.Dave must not have gotten that page in the stat sheet

TeamBoone
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
Isn't this the 2nd or time Adam has led off the inning? He leads off a ton!

Reds Nd2
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
You're forgetting he will be safe about 75% of the time.

And just for the record, I have never seen anybody complain about Freel stealing in the first inning when he is safe.

Well, if you round up, it's 74% of the time (borderline, he's better off staying put) and like I mentioned earlier that doesn't include the times he's picked off. I don't think. Somebody be it, Freel, Miley, Whisler, or Berry, is being reckless on the basepaths.

Just because he's sucessful, doesn't mean it wasn't a questionable move. I understand what your saying, I think. I got excited about the steal/run and hit where Freel went to third from first on a groundball to the SS the other night. I thought that was pretty cool but that doesn't mean it was very smart, with the Reds down by multiple runs at the time late in the game. Baserunners are the best bet for scoring runs. Being on the fringe with stolen bases and getting picked off in the first inning ain't gonna' cut it.

Just for the record, Freel has never stolen a base while leading off an inning and that includes the first inning.


Career Split G AB SB CS SB%
Leading Off Inning 207 340 0 0 .000

SteelSD
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
Which makes him very valuable on a roster. :laugh:

The Reds very well may be able to boast that they won the Craptastic Triple Crown this season when it's all said and done.

Eric Milton is vying for the title of "Worst MLB Starting Pitcher". Luis Lopez might very well be the worst position player on a roster. And Danny Graves has cruddiest reliever all sewn up.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 10:55 PM
IIRC, Randa had a day off just a few days ago (wasn't Rich playing third?). I really doubt he needed another so soon.

You must be mistaken. Randa has now started at least the last 6 games at 3rd. I only checked the last couple of days.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:56 PM
The Reds very well may be able to boast that they won the Craptastic Triple Crown this season when it's all said and done.why that is ... craptacular!!

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 10:56 PM
It's something to hang yer hat on

flyer85
06-15-2005, 10:58 PM
It's something to hang yer hat onthats what I use my um, er ... hatrack for. :eek:

Falls City Beer
06-15-2005, 10:59 PM
turd burglary.

flyer85
06-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Jason needs an ironing board(I posted this before strike three)

KronoRed
06-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Game over.

We lost.

red-in-la
06-15-2005, 11:02 PM
Jason needs an ironing board(I posted this before strike three)

But...but....but.....he IS an above average catcher....keep saying and maybe it will be true.

Whole team and organization is bad....so Jason isn't alone.

Ravenlord
06-15-2005, 11:02 PM
Freel
Split OBP SLG SAOBP SASLG Benefit
2005 407 423 377 524 +11
Career 376 388 354 466 +12Freel's base stealing has been beneficial to the macro of scoring runs.

a point of OBP is worth three times as much as point of SLG. so the difference times three in OBP [(OBP-SAOBP)*3] gives you a base. then the difference between the SLGs is done [(SASLG-SLG)] to give the comparison. you then take the comparision and subtract the base [(SASLG-SLG)-((OBP-SAOBP)*3)) and that gives you benefit. benefit shows wheather or not the extra slugging (SASLG) is more beneficial than the lost OBP due to caught stealing.

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 11:03 PM
Just for the record, Freel has never stolen a base while leading off an inning and that includes the first inning.


Career Split G AB SB CS SB%
Leading Off Inning 207 340 0 0 .000

In the first inning he has two stolen bases this year. I was checking for last years stats but couldn't find anything. I am nearly positive he had some last year as well.

Marc D
06-15-2005, 11:04 PM
turd burglary.

Spalding!!

flyer85
06-15-2005, 11:04 PM
The Reds Low A pitchers have walked 9 batters in the first 4IP tonight

Patrick Bateman
06-15-2005, 11:05 PM
But...but....but.....he IS an above average catcher....keep saying and maybe it will be true.

Whole team and organization is bad....so Jason isn't alone.

That's just 1 at bat Red-In-La. Sure he strikes out lots, but over the course of his career he has proven to be an above average major league starting catcher.