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WVRed
06-16-2005, 09:04 PM
Remember the guy who picketed Reagans funeral?

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/state/story/6603051p-6487460c.html

Kansas preacher announces plans to protest soldier's funeral

This story was published Monday, June 13th, 2005

By CHUCK OXLEY, Associated Press Writer

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - A Kansas preacher and gay rights foe whose congregation is protesting military funerals around the country said he's coming to Idaho on Wednesday to picket the memorial for an Idaho National Guard soldier killed in Iraq.

A flier on the Web site of Pastor Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church claims God killed Cpl. Carrie French with an improvised explosive device in retaliation against the United States for a bombing at Phelps' church six years ago.

"We're coming," Phelps said Monday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

Westboro Baptist either has protested or is planning protests of other public funerals of soldiers from Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, Virginia and Colorado. A protest is planned for July 11 at Dover Air Force Base, the military base where war dead are transported before being sent on to their home states.

Phelps gained national notoriety in 1998 when he picketed the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the gay college student beaten to death in Wyoming.

Since then, Phelps said his church has been the target of hateful words and actions, including a bomb attack six years ago.

Phelps' church has picketed the funerals of AIDS victims for more than a decade.

French, 19, was a Caldwell High School graduate and varsity cheerleader. She was killed June 5 in the northern city of Kirkuk. French served as an ammunition specialist with the 116th Brigade Combat Team's 145th Support Battalion.

Phelps said the fact that French led an all-American life gives him all the more reason to picket her final public tribute.

"An all-American girl from a society of all-American heretics," he said.

"Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime," Phelps said.

Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said he cannot bar Phelps from going to the public funeral, which is scheduled for 1 p.m. Wednesday at the Albertson College of Idaho in that city.

"While we respect Mr. Phelps' right to protest, we would hope that he would respect the family and friends of this young person by not disrupting the memorial," Sobba said.

Idaho Air National Guard Lt. Tony Vincelli, acting as spokesman for French's family, said there were no plans to change the funeral arrangements.

The Rev. Brian Fischer, pastor of Boise's Community Church of the Valley, and himself a past target of protest by the Westboro Baptist Church, decried Phelps' plan.

"What Phelps is doing is a reprehensible thing, to take a funeral and turn it into a photo op for his hate cause," Fischer said. "We hope everyone will ignore Phelps' group."

In 2003, Phelps demanded that he be allowed to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise public park. To avoid a lawsuit from his group, city officials voted in 2004 that a Ten Commandments monument be moved out of the park to a private setting.

Jaycint
06-16-2005, 11:39 PM
Classy. :rolleyes:

Johnny Footstool
06-17-2005, 12:35 AM
Just doin' the Lord's work, I guess.

Ravenlord
06-17-2005, 12:42 AM
Just doin' the Lord's work, I guess. :rolleyes:

GAC
06-17-2005, 08:01 AM
What Would Jesus Do?

registerthis
06-17-2005, 09:12 AM
I don't know why people even pay attention to this loon. The more press he gets, the more it just furthers their goals--to attract attention.

registerthis
06-17-2005, 09:13 AM
What Would Jesus Do?
I don't know, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be this!

GAC
06-17-2005, 09:19 AM
No it wouldn't. And obviously this clown, who claims to be a Christian, doesn't realize this.

Why does he get attention? Blame the media, who, IMO, know what they are doing, and try to use people like this to project an wrong image of Christians/Christianity in this country. And it works alot of the time. Very sad.

Steve4192
06-17-2005, 09:52 AM
Blame the media, who, IMO, know what they are doing, and try to use people like this to project an wrong image of Christians/Christianity in this country.
Conspiracy theory much?

The media covers Fred Phelps because because people tune in to see wackos like him. He is a human train wreck and everyone wants to rubberneck. The ONLY thing that big media is concerned with is selling papers, boosting ratings, and increasing revenue. Nut jobs like Fred Phelps help them accomplish that goal.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:54 AM
The media covers Fred Phelps because because people tune in to see wackos like him.

Fox News even hires them.

traderumor
06-17-2005, 10:03 AM
No it wouldn't. And obviously this clown, who claims to be a Christian, doesn't realize this.

Why does he get attention? Blame the media, who, IMO, know what they are doing, and try to use people like this to project an wrong image of Christians/Christianity in this country. And it works alot of the time. Very sad.
GAC,

With all due respect as a brother in the Lord, the media can't save Christians from themselves. You have correctly identified that this person's claim to being a believer is dubious, at best, but the media should report such things. Sin needs to be exposed before it can be dealt with, and sometimes the media does the exposing.

GAC
06-17-2005, 05:30 PM
GAC,

With all due respect as a brother in the Lord, the media can't save Christians from themselves. You have correctly identified that this person's claim to being a believer is dubious, at best, but the media should report such things. Sin needs to be exposed before it can be dealt with, and sometimes the media does the exposing.

I understand that tr. Not afraid of my warts at all. My point is- and no Steve 4192, I don't think it's a conspiracy- My name is not Hillary. ;) is that the media loves stories like this, not only for it's sensationalism and drawing power; but also that it is an attempt to stereotype and place Christians "in a box" due to isolated nutcases like this.

Look what the media did when Matthew Sheepard was dragged to death? I still remember Katie Couric's ranting on Christians in this country as the cause of this poor young man's demise, when it had nothing to do with it.

Look at some's attitude toward private charter schools.

It's examples like this (plus more) that I am referring to.

I've seen it happen on here many, many times. Where threads were started highlighting some religious whacko's agenda or cause. And the intent from the beginning is too lump/categorize all believers (especially if they are conservative and voted Repub) together.

This Phelps character doesn't even come close to being a representative of the millions of Christians in this country (and the world). And we both know that. But some don't- and like to use it for their own agenda.

Some on here, in the past, have plainly stated that religion is the problem in this country, and is the cause of so many of our woes. We have contributed nothing, and do nothing beneficial when it comes to society. Stories like this fuel that IMO.

You and I both know tr that the average Christian in this country, once one gets to know them, is far removed from guys like this.

Jesus was right when he said "They hated me. So don't be surprised when they hate you."

They misunderstood Jesus too.

NYMoose
06-20-2005, 08:41 AM
The city near where I live has a gay mayor. The city has a festival at the beginning of July every year and Phelps is saying he is coming to the festival to protest the mayor. Should be quite interesting as many people in the community are going to protest Phelps. I may have to go just to see the whole mess.

RedsBaron
06-20-2005, 09:24 AM
Calling Phelps a nut and a loon is too kind IMO.

GAC
06-20-2005, 09:24 AM
And it would be nice if people, including the media, wouldn't give him the time of day (especially camera time).

registerthis
06-20-2005, 09:40 AM
Calling Phelps a nut and a loon is too kind IMO.
Well unfortunately there are constraints in RZ that prevent us from calling him a more appropriate name...so we'll stick to 'nut' and 'loon' for now.