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OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 04:46 PM
Kelly time
Kenny Kelly makes his first big-league start tonight. He's playing left with Dunn getting a day off. Felipe is back up to second in the order and Randa is batting fifth. Casey's back, as well.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

Ridiculous. Dunn homered and doubled last night, and gets rewarded by getting a day off. Miley has got to go.

Dunn has doubled and walked in 3 plate appearances vs Ramirez.

registerthis
06-17-2005, 04:53 PM
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

Ridiculous. Dunn homered and doubled last night, and gets rewarded by getting a day off. Miley has got to go.

Dunn has doubled and walked in 3 plate appearances vs Ramirez.Well you wouldn't want your players to get in a rhythm or anything. Good to keep them unbalanced and on their toes.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 04:55 PM
Miley is one strange dude, very Boonesque.. without the vocabulary. Dunn had a nice night last night and he's been pretty hot the last week.

.318/.464/.636/1.101

So he gets the blow against a guy he has a double and a BB against in 3 ab's.

On a friday night home game too.... that will draw the fans eh?

Dave Miley frantically yanking the switches like Casey Jones on the final strech.

One thing about season like this is that they are an interesting study in everything from character study to an examination of what exactly the teams philosphy is.

The Reds were built with the post strike offensive boom in mind (park, player types) and now they have a manager who wishes for Willie McGee, Terry Pendleton and Vince Coleman on the field.

Miley is managing exactly like I thought Oester would... just with his mouth closed.

CTA513
06-17-2005, 04:55 PM
The good thing is that Lopez is back in the 2 hole were he belongs.

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 05:00 PM
The good thing is that Lopez is back in the 2 hole were he belongs.

That'll change Saturday. I think Miley puts Lopez 7th thinking he's giving Dunn protection down there. Lopez does provide protection but if he's going with that philosophy, I'd rather see Dunn 4th and Lopez 5th, since there's no way on Earth he'd go Dunn 2nd and Lopez 3rd.

TeamBoone
06-17-2005, 05:06 PM
Well you wouldn't want your players to get in a rhythm or anything. Good to keep them unbalanced and on their toes.

My thought exactly! And it makes absolutely no sense.

Seems he does this a lot. Someone has a hot night and he benches him the next day... the first one that comes to mind is LaRue, but I know this same "approach" has been used with others.

I swear, sometimes I don't think DM wants to win. Either that, or he really is just stupid. This is the Braves after all, not Tampa Bay. If you're smart, don't you field your best team?

I just don't get it. I think I've said these five words a hundred times already this season... and I don't like them. I need a new schtick... if only Miley could help me out here.

BTW, anyone ever notice how Albert Pujoles NEVER gets a day of rest? He's on one of my fantasy teams so I notice.

Take a lesson DM.

Redsland
06-17-2005, 05:07 PM
The good thing is that Lopez is back in the 2 hole were he belongs.
I assume you mean Luis?

:)

TeamBoone
06-17-2005, 05:09 PM
Miley is one strange dude, very Boonesque.. without the vocabulary. Dunn had a nice night last night and he's been pretty hot the last week.

.318/.464/.636/1.101

So he gets the blow against a guy he has a double and a BB against in 3 ab's.

On a friday night home game too.... that will draw the fans eh?

Dave Miley frantically yanking the switches like Casey Jones on the final strech.

One thing about season like this is that they are an interesting study in everything from character study to an examination of what exactly the teams philosphy is.

The Reds were built with the post strike offensive boom in mind (park, player types) and now they have a manager who wishes for Willie McGee, Terry Pendleton and Vince Coleman on the field.

Miley is managing exactly like I thought Oester would... just with his mouth closed.

This is a great, very sad-but-true post. My God! Someone please do something to stop the insanity.

CrackerJack
06-17-2005, 05:15 PM
I don't understand why you rest Dunn on a Friday night home game vs. the Braves, especially when the weather is perfect? I was thinking of going tonight for kicks, but forget it now, just one more reason "not" to go.

Does Miley enjoy losing games?

So, so tired of this nonsense.

flyer85
06-17-2005, 05:17 PM
excellent way to extend a losing streak. Maybe they are expecting a high turnout of Braves fans and want to keep 'em happy so they will come back on Saturday.

RosieRed
06-17-2005, 05:20 PM
Somehow, when I heard yesterday that Kelly would start tonight, it never crossed my mind that it would be in place of Dunn. Griffey, maybe ... Pena, okay. But Dunn?

Whatever. :rolleyes:

creek14
06-17-2005, 05:23 PM
Really I mean it. MAKE THE BAD MEN GO AWAY.

RL, just for you, I'l calling in the B52's. And I don't mean the band from the 80's.

:usa:

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 05:26 PM
I know people are sick of hearing it...but it is a lefty and Dunn isn't exactly potent against lefties....


I don't know

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Really I mean it. MAKE THE BAD MEN GO AWAY.

RL, just for you, I'l calling in the B52's. And I don't mean the band from the 80's.

:usa:

Somebody has to do it. I appreciate your stepping forward. The whole country will owe you a great deal of gratitude if this mission is successful. :thumbup:

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 05:27 PM
I know people are sick of hearing it...but it is a lefty and Dunn isn't exactly potent against lefties....



The same can be said for Horacio Ramirez.

REDREAD
06-17-2005, 05:28 PM
Miley's genius continues to shine through :rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 05:28 PM
I know people are sick of hearing it...but it is a lefty and Dunn isn't exactly potent against lefties....


I don't know

I posted this on Reds Live.

But Dunn has hit lefties in the past, and has hit Ramirez well in a super duper small sample size. If Ramirez were a dominant lefty, I would have no problem with him sitting. But he is far from dominant...

he has served up 12 dingers, 79 hits and an awful 25bb/23k ratio in 71 innings.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 05:29 PM
And I don't mean the band from the 80's.

Dance this mess around.

SteelSD
06-17-2005, 05:29 PM
Dave Miley is the only Manager I can recall who tries to make out a lineup card in order to win 2-1 ballgames with a pitching staff that'll give up 6.

creek14
06-17-2005, 05:30 PM
I posted this on Reds Live.

But Dunn has hit lefties in the past, and has hit Ramirez well in a super duper small sample size. If Ramirez were a dominant lefty, I would have no problem with him sitting, but he is far from dominant...

he has served up 12 dingers, 79 hits and an awful 25bb/23k ratio in 71 innings.
Ah but Miley doesn't manage with numbers, he manages by *gut*.

I'd like to gut him.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 05:30 PM
Dave Miley is the only Manager I can recall who tries to make out a lineup card in order to win 2-1 ballgames with a pitching staff that'll give up 6.

He's a Tub of Buttered Popcorn, giant Hershey bar and Diet Coke kind of guy.

REDREAD
06-17-2005, 05:30 PM
Dance this mess around.

For this club, wouldn't a more appropriate track be "The Deadbeat Club" ?

westofyou
06-17-2005, 05:32 PM
For this club, wouldn't a more appropriate track be "The Deadbeat Club" ?

Yep, let's send them to Planet Claire or at least their Own Private Idaho

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 05:33 PM
I can't imagine Dunn is too thrilled about getting a day off in favor of a rookie just called up this week. I'm sure we'll see something in tomorrow's paper.

SteelSD
06-17-2005, 05:35 PM
He's a Tub of Buttered Popcorn, giant Hershey bar and Diet Coke kind of guy.

Nah...I'M that kinda guy.;)

He's a Health Salad, Diet Coke, count the calories and then have a Georgia Mud Fudge DQ Blizzard for dessert kind of guy.

With extra brownie pieces.

RedsBaron
06-17-2005, 05:35 PM
Dave Miley is the only Manager I can recall who tries to make out a lineup card in order to win 2-1 ballgames with a pitching staff that'll give up 6.
Good point, but the Reds will only give up six runs if Milton isn't starting; with Milton it will be eight.

ochre
06-17-2005, 05:35 PM
I know people are sick of hearing it...but it is a lefty and Dunn isn't exactly potent against lefties....


I don't know
Dunn vs. Lefties for the last three years:


AVG OBP SLG OPS
.241 .363 .483 .846
That's 468 ABs worth of performance against lefties, including his struggles (67 ABs) thus far in '05.

RedsBaron
06-17-2005, 05:36 PM
Really I mean it. MAKE THE BAD MEN GO AWAY.

RL, just for you, I'l calling in the B52's. And I don't mean the band from the 80's.

:usa:
Great idea. I have never disliked a Reds manager as much as I do Miley.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 05:37 PM
I'd like to gut him.

You a Mike Tyson fan? :D

"I'm going to gut him like a fish,"-the 38-year-old former champion said of his fight plan against Kevin McBride after McBride's adviser, Rich Cappiello, had suggested an erosion of Tyson's skills.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Tyson-promises-Irishman-he-will-gut-him-like-a-fish/2005/06/09/1118123958996.html?oneclick=true

CTA513
06-17-2005, 05:39 PM
Atlanta Cincinnati
1 Rafael Furcal, SS Ryan Freel, 2B
2 Kelly Johnson, LF Felipe Lopez, SS
3 Marcus Giles, 2B Sean Casey, 1B
4 Adam LaRoche, 1B Ken Griffey Jr., CF
5 Andruw Jones, CF Joe Randa, 3B
6 Johnny Estrada, C Wily Mo Pena, RF
7 Ryan Langerhans, RF Kenny Kelly, LF
8 Wilson Betemit, 3B Jason LaRue, C
9 Horacio Ramirez, P Ramon Ortiz, P

ochre
06-17-2005, 05:39 PM
That's better than Randa's 3 year split against lefties by the way:


AVG OBP SLG OPS
.310 .358 .462 .820

Best righthanded Reds hitter with enough track record to compare over a 3 year period.

SteelSD
06-17-2005, 05:39 PM
Good point, but the Reds will only give up six runs if Milton isn't starting; with Milton it will be eight.

You are, of course, correct.

We need a snappy old school slogan for Milton and co. The kind Spahn and Sain had.

Something like:

"Milton for six plus two for the pen just for kicks."

See? Snappy! :D

lollipopcurve
06-17-2005, 05:43 PM
Casey returns to his reserved seat at the head of the heart-of-the-order. Against a lefty no less.

Chip R
06-17-2005, 05:44 PM
Too bad the Bats are on the road. Adam could take the 90 mile drive down there to watch Austin play tonight since his services won't be needed tonight.

Blimpie
06-17-2005, 05:45 PM
Dave Miley is the only Manager I can recall who tries to make out a lineup card in order to win 2-1 ballgames with a pitching staff that'll give up 6.Steel, I believe you summarized--quite succinctly--the enigma that is: Dave Miley....

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 05:47 PM
Casey returns to his reserved seat at the head of the heart-of-the-order. Against a lefty no less.

Seriously, I will be totally ecstatic if Sean Casey gets traded this year. Nothing personal against him, but the Reds totally abuse who he is as a player. He is not a #3 hitter, and he is not the kind of clubhouse leader they need. Did I mention he's overpaid for what he brings to the table as well?

Crosley68
06-17-2005, 05:52 PM
Tap your heels together 3 times and repeat.....Freel, Lopez, Dunn...Freel, Lopez, Dunn.....Freel, Lopez, Dunn. Just where are those ruby slippers when you need them.

RedsBaron
06-17-2005, 05:53 PM
You are, of course, correct.

We need a snappy old school slogan for Milton and co. The kind Spahn and Sain had.

Something like:

"Milton for six plus two for the pen just for kicks."

See? Snappy! :D
"Milton for six plus two for the pen just for kicks. Guaranteed to make you sick."

RedsBaron
06-17-2005, 05:54 PM
Tap your heels together 3 times and repeat.....Freel, Lopez, Dunn...Freel, Lopez, Dunn.....Freel, Lopez, Dunn. Just where are those ruby slippers when you need them.
If we pour water on Miley, does that mean he will melt away?

REDREAD
06-17-2005, 05:56 PM
Yep, let's send them to Planet Claire or at least their Own Private Idaho

:laugh:

Can we send Marty to "Channel Z"? :laugh:

REDREAD
06-17-2005, 05:58 PM
Too bad the Bats are on the road. Adam could take the 90 mile drive down there to watch Austin play tonight since his services won't be needed tonight.

Miley will save Dunn to pinch hit for the crucial situation in the game that never happens. But Luis Lopez will PH in the 7th :laugh:

Chip R
06-17-2005, 05:59 PM
Miley will save Dunn to pinch hit for the crucial situation in the game that never happens. But Luis Lopez will PH in the 7th :laugh:He didn't in Colorado. :rolleyes:

flyer85
06-17-2005, 06:00 PM
Miley will save Dunn to pinch hit for the crucial situation in the game that never happens. But Luis Lopez will PH in the 7th :laugh:without a doubt.

PuffyPig
06-17-2005, 06:00 PM
Casey returns to his reserved seat at the head of the heart-of-the-order. Against a lefty no less.

While this isn't meant to suggest your post is wrong, Casey, I believe, has hit LH pitching better than RH this year.

REDREAD
06-17-2005, 06:01 PM
He didn't in Colorado. :rolleyes:

Did Dunn or Jr PH in Colorado? I don't recall.

It just seems that Miley "saves" his best bat on the bench, and often the situation he saves them for never happens..

PuffyPig
06-17-2005, 06:02 PM
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

Miley has got to go.



Boy, if I had a nickel for everytime I've read that post here.......

flyer85
06-17-2005, 06:06 PM
I am going to go see Batman rather than sit through another night with Super Dave.

Reds Fanatic
06-17-2005, 06:07 PM
I am beginning to believe Miley makes his lineups days in advance. It has no basis in reality. It does not matter who is hot or cold or who hits well against a certain pitcher. It does not matter how the team is playing. Every day he has pre-determined who is starting and who is sitting regardless of how the team is playing. Our lineups would not be much more ridiculous if he put everyones name in a hat and drew the lineup that way.

Roy Tucker
06-17-2005, 06:10 PM
Think of me at the ballgame tonight. Roy with Grandma and daughters Jen and Lizzy (Roy's Angels)

We've got our good seats right by the Reds dugout tonight.

I'll holler "where's Dunn?" when Miley brings out the lineup cards.

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 06:11 PM
I'd charge the field Roy ;)

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 06:12 PM
I am going to go see Batman rather than sit through another night with Super Dave.

http://www.extravalue.com/video/superdave/all/_top2.jpg

Roy Tucker
06-17-2005, 06:13 PM
I'd charge the field Roy ;)
I'll send Grandma.

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 06:13 PM
I'd holler: "I paid good money for these seats, Dave. The least you could do is field the actual major league players you have, I could have paid less and watched Austin next week."

Roy Tucker
06-17-2005, 06:15 PM
I'd holler: "I paid good money for these seats, Dave. The least you could do is field the actual major league players you have."
That's too long of a sentence for Dave. 2-3 words are about the max.

Kind of like an executive summary.

Roy Tucker
06-17-2005, 06:15 PM
TTFN, we'll root the boys home to victory.

Tony Cloninger
06-17-2005, 06:16 PM
Since Miley knows he will not be fired...why should he care who he sits or plays. He is reinventing the game.....everyone else is just a pawn in his chess game.

Red Leader
06-17-2005, 06:17 PM
That's too long of a sentence for Dave. 2-3 words are about the max.

Kind of like an executive summary.

You're right. Just yell " You suck. " That's always effective.

On a side note, I just talked with a guy that works at a car dealership in Bountiful, Utah. The dealership's name is Menlove Johnson Toyota. What the hell is that about? Ahhh, Utah. Weirdos.

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 06:18 PM
I'll send Grandma.

I've heard Miley is on the look out ;)

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 06:20 PM
Really I mean it. MAKE THE BAD MEN GO AWAY.

RL, just for you, I'l calling in the B52's. And I don't mean the band from the 80's.

:usa:

Can you call them both in? I love Rock Lobster :D

DoogMinAmo
06-17-2005, 06:28 PM
So is the consensus best lineup the Reds can have as follows:

Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Dunn LF
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Casey 1B
Wily Mo RF
Larue C
pitcher

Randa and Casey back to back bothers me. What do y'all think?

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 06:29 PM
Move Wily Mo up behind JR and Casey then Randa..

I don't care if they are back to back, less DPs that way ;)

Chip R
06-17-2005, 06:36 PM
Did Dunn or Jr PH in Colorado? I don't recall.
I don't think either one got off the bench that game.

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 06:41 PM
I don't think either one got off the bench that game.

Gotta save em for extras.

CTA513
06-17-2005, 06:44 PM
Dunn cant play because he hurt his back trying to carry a chair into the locker room last night.

pedro
06-17-2005, 07:26 PM
I get the distinct impression that this guy is managing the reds. Note the ring around his neck that DanO yanks him around by.

http://www.goodrock.com/productpics/shirts/thumbs/krs00063dr.gif

Doc. Scott
06-17-2005, 07:53 PM
Great idea. I have never disliked a Reds manager as much as I do Miley.

Now that's a bit of an overstatement. Do we forget Bob Boone THAT quickly? That guy was possibly the worst manager in club history.

Raisor
06-17-2005, 07:55 PM
Now that's a bit of an overstatement. Do we forget Bob Boone THAT quickly? That guy was possibly the worst manager in club history.


Dave Miley makes Bob Boone look like Ray Knight.

wait...

eek.

Doc. Scott
06-17-2005, 07:56 PM
Dave Miley makes Bob Boone look like Ray Knight.

wait...

eek.

Knight was a spaz, but Boone was worse by any count- a total incompetent who thought he was a visionary genius. Miley's just sort of thick and dull.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:01 PM
Knight was a spaz, but Boone was worse by any count- a total incompetent who thought he was a visionary genius. Miley's just sort of thick and dull.

I'd disagree, Boone was a horrible players manager, but Dave does as much string pulling as Boone and is as imaginative as the Gapper design.

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:01 PM
Knight was a spaz, but Boone was worse by any count- a total incompetent who thought he was a visionary genius. Miley's just sort of thick and dull.

You've been out of town for while. You'll come around.

Doc. Scott
06-17-2005, 08:03 PM
You've been out of town for while. You'll come around.

Heh... that is true. Although, believe me, the pain was able to cross the Atlantic in a flash once we hit May.

KronoRed
06-17-2005, 08:09 PM
Heh... that is true. Although, believe me, the pain was able to cross the Atlantic in a flash once we hit May.
A disturbance in the force? ;)

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:14 PM
wow

That took no time at all

CrackerJack
06-17-2005, 08:15 PM
Good grief, another brilliant DanO acquisition showing his stuff again tonight.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:15 PM
The Reds K too much and have bad RISP numbers.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:15 PM
i blinked and 2 runs score?

I loathe the Ortiz signing.

Raisor
06-17-2005, 08:15 PM
Eric Milton, while sitting on the bench charting the game, has given up his 9,907th homer of the season.

ochre
06-17-2005, 08:16 PM
Ortiz reverting to seasonal norms as the world watches.

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:16 PM
Well this is just Ortiza-riffic.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:16 PM
Make him a reliever.

Tomorrow.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:16 PM
It amazes me how many times this team continues to fling "fast"balls straight down the chute and hang balls in the zone.

You figure after getting drilled for HRs enough, they would try a different philosophy....
...or is that "pitch to contact?"

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:17 PM
If I were Furcal, I'd be hacked at Johnson for homering like that. what a waste of a perfectly good triple.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:17 PM
Ortiz reverting to seasonal norms as the world watches.

This is by far the worst he has ever pitched in his life.

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:17 PM
Furcal Triples
Johnson Homers
Giles Singles

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:17 PM
Make him a reliever.

Tomorrow.

I vote for yesterday

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:18 PM
Laroche singles
Giles to third
still no outs.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:18 PM
I vote for yesterday

How about 7:30 EST tonight?

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:19 PM
Reporter: "Will Ortiz continue to be in the rotation?"

Dan: "His track record indicates he can be a successful starting pitcher. His mechanics were better this last outing. He will continue to be a key to our pitching staff."

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:19 PM
I second. LaRoche singles.

And the hits keep coming...

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:19 PM
How about 7:30 EST tonight?

That will work

CrackerJack
06-17-2005, 08:19 PM
Nice catch by Freelie - Ortiz thanks you dearly

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:20 PM
What a catch by Freel.

Raisor
06-17-2005, 08:20 PM
amazing catch by Freel

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 08:21 PM
No surprise from me on Ramon. Age caught up to him last year and he no longer has the tools to be a starting pitcher in this league. I think that tells you what Dan thought of Dustin Moseley.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:21 PM
finally someone reaches without getting a hit.

Ortiz needs to walk in a run now to get the trifecta.

Joseph
06-17-2005, 08:22 PM
Has anyone noticed that Ortiz and Milton aren't very good? Oh you have noticed? Carry on.

BB forces in a run.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 08:22 PM
finally someone reaches without getting a hit.

Ortiz needs to walk in a run now to get the trifecta.

There you go.

3-0.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:22 PM
finally someone reaches without getting a hit.

Ortiz needs to walk in a run now to get the trifecta.

Wish granted.

The crowd begins to make Ortiz feel small...

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:23 PM
Walks in a run now.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:23 PM
amazing catch by Freel

Freel obviously used some kind of Jedi mind trick on all of you. everyone knows he's a crappy defender. RICH AURILLIA BRINGS A SOLID VETERAN LEADERSHIP TO THE TEAM!

Raisor
06-17-2005, 08:23 PM
I blame this inning on the Reds' offense.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:24 PM
I balme Dunn.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:24 PM
omg... i'm a prophet.

hmmm. i'm thinking bloop single next. 2 runs score.

RosieRed
06-17-2005, 08:24 PM
I'm so glad Dunn isn't playing tonight. Obviously we don't need his offense.

Raisor
06-17-2005, 08:24 PM
Freel obviously used some kind of Jedi mind trick on all of you. !

"These aren't the droids you're looking for."

Super_Barry11
06-17-2005, 08:24 PM
I almost drove back home again this weekend to attend this series. I'm beginning to think that staying here in Cleveland was a brilliant idea. :(

(Now that I've said that, hopefully we can stop the bleeding here, come back, and end up winning...) :)

Raisor
06-17-2005, 08:25 PM
Has there ever been a major league team that has gone with a two man rotation? Harang and Claussen need to sack up and go for it.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:26 PM
He struck out Betemit. I guess there is still a chance to get out without being down 7-0.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:26 PM
Inning over.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:26 PM
He struck out Betemit. I guess there is still a chance to get out without being down 7-0.

and monkey's could fly out of my butt.

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:27 PM
3-0 Braves

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 08:28 PM
He's lucky it was only 3 runs. Freel saved a hit and Betemit refused to take a walk by chasing bad pitches.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:28 PM
At this rate, if Ortiz were to pitch 5 innings, his line woud be:
150 pitches, 15 runs, 20 hits, 5 HBP, 5 BB.

oh and the death of several fans.

Redsland
06-17-2005, 08:28 PM
RL, just for you, I'l calling in the B52's. And I don't mean the band from the 80's.
I have a marginally funny story about one of them that I'll share at the next CliqueCon.

:beerme:

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:29 PM
Ortiz is special.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:29 PM
Leadoff single for Freel. Good start.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:31 PM
2 run bomb. It's far from over.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:31 PM
Well that helps.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:32 PM
Casey bats into a double play with nobody on ;)

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:32 PM
I have a marginally funny story about one of them

If it ain't about Fred then I don't want to hear it. ;)

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:32 PM
Felipe Lopez despite being lucky at the plate at times has a lot of maturing to do before he can someday start on an everyday basis. RICH AURILLIA BRINGS BASEBALL MOXIE TO THE REDS, SMART PLAY AND POSITIONING.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:33 PM
Casey bats into a double play with nobody on ;)

Sean is the 2nd basemans fielding practice.

PuffyPig
06-17-2005, 08:33 PM
YOu know, I just got on here and read the posts as I can't get the game here at work. It's very similar to lasts weeks game against Baltimore when Ortiz gave up 3 runs in the 2nd and everyone said the game was over. Then, low and behold, there's Ortiz pitching 7 innings and winning. Now, I'm not saying that the same will happen here, but with our offense, we can come back.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:35 PM
Jr. GO to short, fielded by the 3B, 2 out.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:35 PM
YOu know, I just got on here and read the posts as I can't get the game here at work. It's very similar to lasts weeks game against Baltimore when Ortiz gave up 3 runs in the 2nd and everyone said the game was over. Then, low and behold, there's Ortiz pitching 7 innings and winning. Now, I'm not saying that the same will happen here, but with our offense, we can come back.

Well Griffey grounded out and the Reds pitchers still inspire the same confidence that the Generals did at Gallipolli.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:35 PM
Estrada hit right in the crackers by Randa's foul ball.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 08:36 PM
Estrada hit right in the crackers by Randa's foul ball.

He doesn't like 'em crumbled.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:36 PM
Inning over but still, 3-2 aint too bad.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:37 PM
Randa Grounds up the middle fielded by Giles, 3 outs.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:38 PM
Ramon Ortiz Is A Former 15 Game Winner. Those Guys Just Know How To Win, And Bring That Certain Presence To The Mound Every 5 Days!

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:39 PM
Furcal flies out to Kelly one away.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:39 PM
Furcal flies out to Kelly... 1 out.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:40 PM
Ramon Ortiz Is A Former 15 Game Winner. Those Guys Just Know How To Win, And Bring That Certain Presence To The Mound Every 5 Days!

Is that what that is?

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:40 PM
Strikes out Johnson. 2 down.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:40 PM
Ortiz K's Johnson.

That has me puzzled. What's 2 outs in a row mean?

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 08:41 PM
Ortiz K's Johnson.

That has me puzzled. What's 2 outs in a row mean?

They're not pitching to contact.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:42 PM
3 up 3 down. Way better inning for Ortiz.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:43 PM
ORTIZ HAS SETTLED INTO A GROOVE!!!

the bad men can hear me. creek... help!

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:43 PM
They're not pitching to contact.

He wan't pitching to contact in the first either. Remember the HBP and the BB with the bases loaded.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:44 PM
well, technically hitting a batter is contact. in a sense.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:45 PM
Pena ground out.

BrooklynRedz
06-17-2005, 08:45 PM
ORTIZ HAS SETTLED INTO A GROOVE!!!

the bad men can hear me. creek... help!

Nah, like all the great pitchers of our time, you gotta get to Ortiz early. He's good like that.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:45 PM
K for Kenny Kelly.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:46 PM
LaRue singles deep to the gap. He hustled, but Jones got to it really fast.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:47 PM
Ortiz lines out softly. Inning over.

RedsBaron
06-17-2005, 08:48 PM
Now that's a bit of an overstatement. Do we forget Bob Boone THAT quickly? That guy was possibly the worst manager in club history.
I didn't think it was possible for the Reds to find a poorer manager than Bob Boone, but they did in Miley.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:49 PM
Ya know, say Ortiz pitches terrific from the second inning on, gives up 0 runs through 7, and the reds pen also allows 0 runs.

The reds could lose 3-2 all because miley needed to sit his best hitter after a terriffic night.

Falls City Beer
06-17-2005, 08:49 PM
I didn't think it was possible for the Reds to find a poorer manager than Bob Boone, but they did in Miley.

Boone was a nimrod; Miley is transgressive.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:49 PM
There is a reason that Bob Boone was give the nickname of Baboone. Don't forget too fast.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:50 PM
Ground out 1 away.

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:51 PM
Ya know, say Ortiz pitches terrific from the second inning on, gives up 0 runs through 7, and the reds pen also allows 0 runs.

The reds could lose 3-2 all because miley needed to sit his best hitter after a terriffic night.

nevermind.

just kill me quickly.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:51 PM
Jones homers to centre. Didn't seem like that bad of a pitch.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:51 PM
Estrada grounds out to Casey. 2 down.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:52 PM
Langerhans flies out to Griffey. Inning over. Ortiz looked good that inning despite the homerun.

pedro
06-17-2005, 08:54 PM
Ramon Ortiz Is A Former 15 Game Winner. Those Guys Just Know How To Win, And Bring That Certain Presence To The Mound Every 5 Days!

I think they call those "Presents"

TRF
06-17-2005, 08:54 PM
hey, i just noticed I'm approaching 4,000 posts.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:56 PM
Freel works a leadoff walk.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:58 PM
Lopez DP. He hit it hard right back to the pitcher.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 08:59 PM
Casey grounds out. Inning over.

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 08:59 PM
Felipe saved Sean from a Dirty Deed.

pedro
06-17-2005, 09:00 PM
There is a reason that Bob Boone was give the nickname of Baboone. Don't forget too fast.

There's a reason I call Dave "Piley" too. Because he is one.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:01 PM
That nickname can't even come close to matching Baboone.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:03 PM
Betimit homers. 5-2

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:04 PM
That nickname can't even come close to matching Baboone.
Dave Milo
:p:

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:04 PM
I wish Felipe would be a little more patient like he was in April and May. He has only 1 walk in 54 atbats in June, had 11 in 115 ab's in May and 3bb/27ab in April.

johngalt
06-17-2005, 09:06 PM
I wish Felipe would be a little more patient like he was in April and May. He has only 1 walk in 54 atbats in June, had 11 in 115 ab's in May and 3bb/27ab in April.

If you look at his PPA, Lopez is actually taking a lot of pitches. He just doesn't get a lot of walks.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:10 PM
If you look at his PPA, Lopez is actually taking a lot of pitches. He just doesn't get a lot of walks.

Yeah he always has worked the count well. But in June it seems he has been more aggressive. He was walking at a 1bb/10ab rate before June, and now its at 1bb/13ab. I'd be interested in knowing what his p/pa is in June.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:16 PM
George uses the word "brilliant" too much, reminds me of a 12 year old who just discovered a new word.

TeamCasey
06-17-2005, 09:18 PM
Hi Peeps. Just came in. We're kicking butt, right?

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:18 PM
Kenny Kelly is certainly making us forget Dunn is out of the lineup.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:19 PM
Hi Peeps. Just came in. We're kicking butt, right?

We're winning 15-1 in the 2nd inning........





;)

Down 6-2 in the 5th.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:20 PM
:ortiz:

TeamCasey
06-17-2005, 09:20 PM
Hmmmmmm ..... I just came in to a Braves homer. I'm a jinx!

:) Perhaps a book in the backyard was a better idea.

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:20 PM
Dave Milo
:p:


Deadwood Dave

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:22 PM
Hi Peeps. Just came in. We're kicking butt, right?


Oh yeah, we've got them right where they want us.

We're beating the crap out of their fists with our jaw.

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:24 PM
Is it true that "Ortiz" is spanish for "gopher"?

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:25 PM
Is it true that "Ortiz" is spanish for "gopher"?

Just La Quinta means "Next to Denny's"

BCubb2003
06-17-2005, 09:27 PM
Oh yeah, we've got them right where they want us.

We're beating the crap out of their fists with our jaw.

Their fingers are no match for our eye sockets.

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:28 PM
Just La Quinta means "Next to Denny's"


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Their fingers are no match for our eye sockets.


If they keep it up, we're going to bleed all over them. That'll show 'em. Those stains are hard to get out.

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Careful, RFS. That's a Tim McCarver joke you're laughing at.

:nono:

:)

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Lopez better watch it. He'll be back hitting 7th...

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Felipe drives in another run with a single.

6-3.

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:30 PM
Lopez better watch it. He'll be back hitting 7th...
I'd sit him tomorrow.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:30 PM
Freel steals with 2 outs, down 4 runs.

Let now one complaims.

Don't kid yourself, results are everything.

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 09:30 PM
DanO will probably be asked if Ramon will be removed from the rotation, then he will say: "We are waiting for Josh". Brillant man.

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:30 PM
Man, this season is sucking the life right out of me. I can't remember feeling this lousy since, oh, last August

RFS62
06-17-2005, 09:31 PM
Careful, RFS. That's a Tim McCarver joke you're laughing at.

:nono:

:)


My shame is compounded.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:32 PM
DanO will probably be asked if Ramon will be removed from the rotation, then he will say: "We are waiting for Josh". Brillant man.

I'm not sure if it's fair to criticize people for saying things that you make up.

There's plenty of actual statements you can use.

creek14
06-17-2005, 09:33 PM
:cry: :cry: At the beginning of the season I promised creek jr would we go to cap day. That's tomorrow. Milton is pitching. Why, oh why? :cry: :cry:

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 09:33 PM
I'm not sure if it's fair to criticize people for saying things that you make up.

There's plenty of actual statements you can use.

The thing is, I am not making it all up.

TeamCasey
06-17-2005, 09:34 PM
Man, this season is sucking the life right out of me.

I've watched .... sort of. Even when we're winning, I'm easily distracted this year. Strange season for me.

creek14
06-17-2005, 09:35 PM
Oh dear God.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:35 PM
The Reds strike out too much

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:36 PM
:cry: :cry: At the beginning of the season I promised creek jr would we go to cap day. That's tomorrow. Milton is pitching. Why, oh why? :cry: :cry:
Caps are good for pulling down over eyes.

:redbbcap: :redcap: :bredscap: :help:

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:36 PM
:cry: :cry: At the beginning of the season I promised creek jr would we go to cap day. That's tomorrow. Milton is pitching. Why, oh why? :cry: :cry:

Buy him a cap and go to Kings Island

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:36 PM
Man, this season is sucking the life right out of me. I can't remember feeling this lousy since, oh, last August

That last play didn't help.

TeamCasey
06-17-2005, 09:36 PM
I think the foxhole has been covered over with cement.

By god, they've built a darn Walmart over it!

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:37 PM
WMP is giving Kal Daniels a run for the worst OF I've ever seen in a Reds Uniform.

creek14
06-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Buy him a cap and go to Kings Island
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :thumbup:

Wow, WMP is stellar in RF.

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 09:38 PM
So much for the Keisler BS.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:39 PM
Keisler gave up 5 baserunners with 10 pitches.

Efficiency baby, efficiency.

oneupper
06-17-2005, 09:39 PM
Poor Kiesler...

a flare...a grounder that caught the SS moving, a dribbler and then a Grand Slam...

way to mess up your ERA

Redsland
06-17-2005, 09:40 PM
The Marty Phrase That Pays

Tonight's phrase was "Good old-fashioned butt-whoopin'"

Tune in tomorrow and listen for "How we lookin'" and "That's not getting it done."

If you hear the Marty Phrase That Pays, be the 4,192 caller for a gift certificate from the good people at Denny's.

:)

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 09:40 PM
I've got a big crush on that blonde on the Diet Coke commercial.. the one where they are rollerblading around near the beach.
:luvu:

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:40 PM
This act reminds me of September of 1993, just a onslaught of bad play and losses.

SunDeck
06-17-2005, 09:41 PM
Right now, I'm liking the fact that I decided not to buy the Reds radio package. Nothing worse than Marty "calling them like he sees them" when the Reds are molto sucko.

Anybody remember me getting all excited in the offseason (I know you hang on my every post)? Well, I'm feeling like a dork right now. Thanks Carl, Mike and OB.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:41 PM
I know you hang on my every post

I do... BTW your dad is my hero.

Big Klu
06-17-2005, 09:42 PM
Quick question:

I stepped away for a while last inning. Who pinch-hit for Ortiz? (I'm guessing Luis Lopez.)

missionhockey21
06-17-2005, 09:43 PM
Quick question:

I stepped away for a while last inning. Who pinch-hit for Ortiz? (I'm guessing Luis Lopez.)
Yup.

SunDeck
06-17-2005, 09:44 PM
I do... BTW your dad is my hero.
This is killing him, too.

ochre
06-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Lopez it was

oneupper
06-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Quick question:

I stepped away for a while last inning. Who pinch-hit for Ortiz? (I'm guessing Luis Lopez.)

You read Miley Mind...hope you didn't get lost in there.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:45 PM
Right now, I'm liking the fact that I decided not to buy the Reds radio package. Nothing worse than Marty "calling them like he sees them" when the Reds are molto sucko.

Anybody remember me getting all excited in the offseason (I know you hang on my every post)? Well, I'm feeling like a dork right now. Thanks Carl, Mike and OB.

Who's Mike?

He owns the up and coming Bengals...

WVRedsFan
06-17-2005, 09:47 PM
I am always wondering why I keep putting myself through this. I had to attend the wake of an old friend tonight, but I hurried home to catch as much of the game as I could. Big mistake.

The Reds play is so bad that even the funeral home is more fun than watching a game these days. Wow. :thumbdown

TeamCasey
06-17-2005, 09:49 PM
Mo!

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:49 PM
That is the reason you do not trade Wily Mo Pena.

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 09:49 PM
WMP finally breaks funk.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:51 PM
That thing was scorched...

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:52 PM
That is the reason you do not trade Wily Mo Pena.

Nah.. the fielding and a week of 0-20 with 11 k's and no walks is the reason you talk up those HR's

SteelSD
06-17-2005, 09:53 PM
Can someone explain to me what Kelly was doing there?

traderumor
06-17-2005, 09:53 PM
Yea, we hit a home run.

http://www.dailyanxiety.com/archive/issue1/masters4.gif

traderumor
06-17-2005, 09:54 PM
Can someone explain to me what Kelly was doing there?That would be called getting Romanod

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:54 PM
Can someone explain to me what Kelly was doing there?

Going for one coach

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 09:57 PM
Nah.. the fielding and a week of 0-20 with 11 k's and no walks is the reason you talk up those HR's

When you have a 1000 OPS, you don't need to "talk up" anything.

Your season's numbers are speaking loudly.

pedro
06-17-2005, 09:57 PM
That is the reason you do not trade Wily Mo Pena.

No, that's why you can. The rest of his game is why you should.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 09:58 PM
When you have a 1000 OPS, you don't need to "talk up" anything.

Your season's numbers are speaking loudly.

Yep, three BB in 81 ab's is drowning out alot of that OPS for me.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 09:59 PM
No, that's why you can. The rest of his game is why you should.


No. You shouldn't.

He can get better. He has raw talent that doesn't come around very often. He's young.

Don't trade him

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Check it out (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36571). Someone on Reds Live is accusing Dunn of playing poorly on purpose. I didn't know he was playing poorly. :dunno:

SteelSD
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
I swear to God that this bullpen is populated by clones.

And they all smell like gasoline.

Aronchis
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
The Reds have little reason to trade Pena now. They have plenty of time to "develope" his rawness into a good commidity by 2008. Maybe things would be different if they were actually a playoff challenging team, but that is long over.

pedro
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Once again the ubiquitous legion of anonomous second basemen the Braves clone in Macon strikes.

Marc D
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
No, that's why you can. The rest of his game is why you should.

WMP is not a finished product. He has talent and is willing to work hard. I'll keep him.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Yep, three BB in 81 ab's is drowning out alot of that OPS for me.

If you can get an OPS of 1000 with virtually no walks, you're raking it.

Absolutely raking it.

That's the funny thing about OPS. You can't get a cheap one.

pedro
06-17-2005, 10:02 PM
Can someone explain to me what Kelly was doing there?

running the option.

TRF
06-17-2005, 10:02 PM
Yep, three BB in 81 ab's is drowning out alot of that OPS for me.

hence the many threads about the importance of the components of OPS being more important than the sum of those components.

I prefer OBP to SLG, though i want my guys to have pop.

TRF
06-17-2005, 10:03 PM
If you can get an OPS of 1000 with virtually no walks, you're raking it.

Absolutely raking it.

That's the funny thing about OPS. You can't get a cheap one.

<cough>soriano</cough>

westofyou
06-17-2005, 10:03 PM
If you can get an OPS of 1000 with virtually no walks, you're raking it.

Absolutely raking it.

That's the funny thing about OPS. You can't get a cheap one.

The funny thing is that no player has ever had a SLG% over .550 and a ob% under .310 for a season.

BTW it's raing cats and dogs here what's going on in the game, my dish is down.

37red
06-17-2005, 10:04 PM
The reds are one of the best AAA quality pro teams in baseball. Did I say that right?

TRF
06-17-2005, 10:04 PM
bases loaded for giles. stone pitching.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 10:04 PM
BTW here's the only player to ever have a OB% belwo .310 and a slg% above .530

1 Tony Armas 1984 30 .531 .300

pedro
06-17-2005, 10:05 PM
Check it out (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36571). Someone on Reds Live is accusing Dunn of playing poorly on purpose. I didn't know he was playing poorly. :dunno:

You know, Dunn seems to be more interested in winning than a lot of other guys on the Reds. He sure complains about losing more than anyone else does. he doesn't blame his team mates either. i think the guy is getting a bum rap.

Me, I'd trade Casey, if that's possible.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 10:06 PM
The funny thing is that no player has ever had a SLG% over .550 and a ob% under .310 for a season.

BTW it's raing cats and dogs here what's going on in the game, my dish is down.

10-5 Braves in the 7th. Braves have the bases loaded for Marcus Giles. 2 outs. Giles k's to end the inning.

westofyou
06-17-2005, 10:06 PM
Greater than .500 and below .310 OB%


RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria

AGE YEAR AGE SLG OBA RC/G
1 Ernie Banks 1962 31 .503 .306 0.15
2 Tony Armas 1984 30 .531 .300 0.75
3 Garret Anderson 2000 28 .519 .307 -.47
4 Dave Kingman 1976 27 .506 .286 0.28
T5 Tony Batista 2000 26 .519 .307 -.26
T5 Wally Post 1956 26 .506 .301 0.38
7 Richie Sexson 1999 24 .514 .305 -.66
8 Juan Gonzalez 1992 22 .529 .304 0.85

M2
06-17-2005, 10:07 PM
For no reason, here's Toxie:

http://pantheronline.co.uk/shopimages/PPA1234.jpg

oneupper
06-17-2005, 10:08 PM
Greater than .500 and below .310 OB%


RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria

AGE YEAR AGE SLG OBA RC/G
1 Ernie Banks 1962 31 .503 .306 0.15
2 Tony Armas 1984 30 .531 .300 0.75
3 Garret Anderson 2000 28 .519 .307 -.47
4 Dave Kingman 1976 27 .506 .286 0.28
T5 Tony Batista 2000 26 .519 .307 -.26
T5 Wally Post 1956 26 .506 .301 0.38
7 Richie Sexson 1999 24 .514 .305 -.66
8 Juan Gonzalez 1992 22 .529 .304 0.85




Hmmm...was HOFer Banks OBP-challenged?

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2005, 10:08 PM
<cough>soriano</cough>

Soriano has a lifetime OPS of about .820, with a high below .900.

He's a good offensive player. His OPS don't lie. Treating him like a god
is clearly wrong, but treating him like the .800 OPS guy he is is OK.

His OPS shows his true value.

Matt700wlw
06-17-2005, 10:08 PM
Me, I'd trade Casey, if that's possible.

That would solve the outfield problem.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2005, 10:08 PM
You know, Dunn seems to be more interested in winning than a lot of other guys on the Reds. He sure complains about losing more than anyone else does. he doesn't blame his team mates either. i think the guy is getting a bum rap.

Me, I'd trade Casey, if that's possible.

Agreed 100%.

If the Mets are truly showing interest in Casey, I trade him.

RFS62
06-17-2005, 10:09 PM
Did someone say tomorrow was cap day?


http://www.armyofmom.com/torturedcomic.jpg