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KittyDuran
06-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Now I'm listening to WLW and Marty is talking... Conference later on today...

Jpup
06-21-2005, 01:43 PM
what? are you kidding? anything about DanO?

HotCorner
06-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Per 700 WLW

Press conference at 3:00 pm

CTA513
06-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Gullet was also fired according to channel 9.

Jpup
06-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Gullet was also fired according to channel 9.

wooooohhhhoooooooooo

shredda2000
06-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Heads are a rollin'!!!

traderumor
06-21-2005, 01:45 PM
and the board will be going down in 3....2....[static]

Willy
06-21-2005, 01:46 PM
WOW

Gullet TOO

WOW WOW!!!!!!!

traderumor
06-21-2005, 01:46 PM
But no O'Brien yet. Well, at least a start.

Royals Fan
06-21-2005, 01:47 PM
I am shocked and We need Buddy Bell-wait he taking already and Billy Doran 2-lol

smith288
06-21-2005, 01:48 PM
Pineilla is packing his bags as we speak... (not really, but I can dream, right?)

tp_on_safari
06-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Per 700 WLW

Press conference at 3:00 pm

I heard it too. Gullet too.

Jpup
06-21-2005, 01:50 PM
is there any more to the story? please fill us "out-of-towners" in.

Joseph
06-21-2005, 01:51 PM
Holy hell!

I'm sure the guilt will settle in later since good guys lost their jobs and I wished for it, but hopefully this is step #1 at turning this thing around.

CincyFan
06-21-2005, 01:52 PM
i just heard van rhule is premoted to pitching coach

HotCorner
06-21-2005, 01:52 PM
Press release ...



At a press conference today at 3:00 p.m. ET in the field level interview room at Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati Reds general manager Dan O'Brien will announce Jerry Narron as interim field manager for the remainder of the 2005 season.
Narron replaces Dave Miley, who earlier today was relieved of his duties along with pitching coach Don Gullett.
Through the end of this season, Vern Ruhle will assume Gullett's duties as pitching coach.
Narron, 49, becomes the 58th manager in Reds history and the 48th since 1900. He had been on the Reds’ Major League coaching staff since December 2003 as Miley's bench coach.
During the 2001 and 2002 seasons, Narron managed in the Major Leagues for the Texas Rangers. He also managed 4 seasons in the minor leagues for affiliates of the Baltimore Orioles.
Narron spent the 2003 season as bench coach under Boston Red Sox manager Grady Little and was a coach for the Rangers from 1995-2001. While he coached at Texas, the Rangers won the American League West Division 3 times (1996, '98, '99).
Ruhle was hired by the Reds in 2004 as the pitching coach at Rookie League Billings and this season was the organization's minor league pitching coordinator. He has 7 years of experience as a Major League pitching coach with the Houston Astros (1997-2000), Philadelphia Phillies (2001-2002) and New York Mets (2003). He will wear uniform number 58.
Miley was named Reds manager on July 28, 2003 and compiled a 125-164 (.433) record during parts of 3 seasons.
Gullett had been the club's pitching coach since May 24, 1993.

Joseph
06-21-2005, 01:52 PM
CINCINNATI -- At a press conference today at 3:00 p.m. ET in the field-level interview room at Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati Reds general manager Dan O'Brien will announce Jerry Narron as interim field manager for the remainder of the 2005 season.

Narron replaces Dave Miley, who earlier today was relieved of his duties along with pitching coach Don Gullett.

Through the end of this season, Vern Ruhle will assume Gullett's duties as pitching coach.

Narron, 49, becomes the 58th manager in Reds history and the 48th since 1900. He had been on the Reds' Major League coaching staff since December 2003 as Miley's bench coach.

During the 2001 and 2002 seasons, Narron managed in the Major Leagues for the Texas Rangers. He also managed 4 seasons in the minor leagues for affiliates of the Baltimore Orioles.

Narron spent the 2003 season as bench coach under Boston Red Sox manager Grady Little and was a coach for the Rangers from 1995-2001. While he coached at Texas, the Rangers won the American League West Division 3 times (1996, '98, '99).

Ruhle was hired by the Reds in 2004 as the pitching coach at Rookie League Billings and this season was the organization's minor league pitching coordinator. He has 7 years of experience as a Major League pitching coach with the Houston Astros (1997-2000), Philadelphia Phillies (2001-2002) and New York Mets (2003). He will wear uniform number 58.

Miley was named Reds manager on July 28, 2003 and compiled a 125-164 (.433) record during parts of 3 seasons.

Gullett had been the club's pitching coach since May 24, 1993.

CincyFan
06-21-2005, 01:53 PM
i just heard van rhule is premoted to pitching coach

anyone have an info on him? Any? Whether he is good or not?

Joseph
06-21-2005, 01:54 PM
If Narron does anything short of the playoffs and is given this job permanently I'll be highly upset.

oregonred
06-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Miley no surprise, Gullett a bit of a surprise mid-season...

O'Brien's gone end of year unless the ship gets turned around.

Jpup
06-21-2005, 01:57 PM
If Narron does anything short of the playoffs and is given this job permanently I'll be highly upset.

don't think that either will happen. the Reds will continue to lose until they get some pitching.

I can't wait to hear the players on this.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 01:58 PM
Will the lineup change or the rotation change?

I can't be happy, I am having a bad day. I am a Flyer fan and found out one of our guards is bolting for Illinois and leaves the team short in the backcourt.

I don't care that they fired Miley, I want to know if something might actually change.

Krusty
06-21-2005, 01:59 PM
don't think that either will happen. the Reds will continue to lose until they get some pitching.

I can't wait to hear the players on this.

I like to see if Ruhle can straighten a few of these pitchers out.

NC Reds
06-21-2005, 02:02 PM
DanO gets more blame than Miley from me. I don't know why, but I am a little shocked by the timing of the move.

Jesus Freak
06-21-2005, 02:03 PM
www.sportingnews.com is reporting it as well. Here is the link.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3707190

Jpup
06-21-2005, 02:03 PM
DanO gets more blame than Miley from me. I don't know why, but I am a little shocked by the timing of the move.

me too. it took way too long. :evil:

TeamCasey
06-21-2005, 02:03 PM
When is the puppetmaster going to go?

traderumor
06-21-2005, 02:04 PM
When is the puppetmaster going to go?When Lindner sells.

Gallen5862
06-21-2005, 02:04 PM
I hope this straightens the pitchers out. I wonder if narron will want Kearns called up.

BRM
06-21-2005, 02:04 PM
I'll be interested in seeing Narron's lineup cards. I also want to see if he has the nerve to remove Milton and/or Ortiz from the rotation.

Jpup
06-21-2005, 02:05 PM
I'll be interested in seeing Narron's lineup cards. I also want to see if he has the nerve to remove Milton and/or Ortiz from the rotation.

I've got this strange feeling that DanO will be managing this team more so than Narron. We'll see.

Maybe Dunn can get a start tonight.

Reds4Life
06-21-2005, 02:07 PM
When is the puppetmaster going to go?

I think it was the puppetmaster who gave the order to axe Miley and Gully, we can only hope that DanO is next.

Red Leader
06-21-2005, 02:07 PM
I hope this straightens the pitchers out. I wonder if narron will want Kearns called up.

I believe this is more O'Brien's call than Narron's, and obviously, we know how O'Brien intends on addressing the issue....slowly.

Jesus Freak
06-21-2005, 02:09 PM
From ESPN's Website:

CINCINNATI -- The Cincinnati Reds have fired manager Dave Miley, replacing him on an interim basis with Jerry Narron.

The Reds, at 27-43 this season, are mired in last place in the NL Central at 18.7 games behind the St. Louis Cardinals. The club has struggled mightly on the road this season, going 6-24 away from Great American Ballpark.

Miley, who has managed Cincinnati since 2003, compiled a 125-164 record and was named Baseball America's Manager of the Year in 2004.

The Reds are in the midst of a three-game series at home against the Cardinals, dropping the first game Monday night 6-1. The second game in the set is Tuesday night.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

savafan
06-21-2005, 02:10 PM
If things continue status quo now, then O'Brien goes. Remember, Miley wasn't his choice, Narron is one of his men. The rest of this season falls on Dan O'Brien.

fs43340
06-21-2005, 02:14 PM
Good start! But O'Brien should go at the end of the year!

BRM
06-21-2005, 02:18 PM
Good start! But O'Brien should go at the end of the year!

What's wrong with right now? I'd rather have a competent GM making the deadline trades.

cumberlandreds
06-21-2005, 02:20 PM
It's all on O'Brien now. He's got his man in as manager. If the Reds continue to spiral out of control he will be the next one gone,although it will be after the season.

RDriesen16
06-21-2005, 02:21 PM
doesnt change anything imo. we still have that idiot oboring running things and lindner is still the owner.

LexingtonRedsFan
06-21-2005, 02:22 PM
I'll be interested in seeing Narron's lineup cards. I also want to see if he has the nerve to remove Milton and/or Ortiz from the rotation.

I would guess, at least with the pitchers, Ruhle will want to have some time to evaluate the talent (ok, that is debatable) he was given....

I hate to be happy when someone loses their job, but Miley has lost control of the club and gullett just wasnt getting any production out of the staff he was given, except for harang.....

savafan
06-21-2005, 02:23 PM
It's all on O'Brien now. He's got his man in as manager. If the Reds continue to spiral out of control he will be the next one gone,although it will be after the season.

Ruhle is one of O'Brien's hires as well. It is entirely an O'Brien regime now.

Redny
06-21-2005, 02:24 PM
Good start! But O'Brien should go at the end of the year!

He won't be though. Partly because Miley and Gullett were not really his hires and by replacing them with his guys he will have gained a little more time on the job. I also expect you will see enough improvement in both Milton and Ortiz to justify Gulletts firing. Quite a few pitchers have come to Cincy in the last few years and performed below career norms and a few more have left only to improve when they went elsewhere.

RedsFan75
06-21-2005, 02:25 PM
So since Ruhle was there in '96 that means he was insturmental in developing what young pitcher for the Astro's...

Who Oswalt already in the system?

What is the direct effect he has on the pitchers there? Maybe that type thing will relate here.??

KearnsyEars
06-21-2005, 02:25 PM
Hope Narron can turn it around.

LexingtonRedsFan
06-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Hope Narron can turn it around.

With the talent we have, if I was Narron, I wouldnt be out there buying a new house to celebrate....cant see him here past season's end...

Petitt33
06-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Best b-day present I could have asked for!

BRM
06-21-2005, 02:30 PM
With the talent we have, if I was Narron, I wouldnt be out there buying a new house to celebrate....cant see him here past season's end...

He'll probably stick around as long as DanO does. That said, hopefully DanO gets shown the door real soon.

Crash Davis
06-21-2005, 02:31 PM
So since Ruhle was there in '96 that means he was insturmental in developing what young pitcher for the Astro's...

Who OsWald already in the system?

What is the direct effect he has on the pitchers there? Maybe that type thing will relate here.??

DEVELOPED:
Roy Oswalt
Wade Miller

Scott Elarton was on his way toward being an impact starter before he blew out his arm. Ditto Carlos Hernandez, who messed up his shoulder sliding into second base.

He also presided over the best years of Mike Hampton, Jose Lima, Shane Reynolds, Daryl Kile and Billy Wagner.

KearnsyEars
06-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Ya the guy i really wanted fired was Obrien.

RedsFan75
06-21-2005, 02:34 PM
DEVELOPED:
Roy Oswalt
Wade Miller

Scott Elarton was on his way toward being an impact starter before he blew out his arm. Ditto Carlos Hernandez, who messed up his shoulder sliding into second base.

He also presided over the best years of Mike Hampton, Jose Lima, Shane Reynolds, Daryl Kile and Billy Wagner.

Sounds promising, here's hoping he can turn the Reds around...

Personally I'm more excited about Ruhle taking over for Gullett than I am the Narron/Miley swap.

Jesus Freak
06-21-2005, 02:35 PM
Jim Coombs is the man for both jobs. He could be the entire Cincinnati Reds - the only player and the only coach - kind of like Bugs Bunny.

KearnsyEars
06-21-2005, 02:35 PM
bottom line....this move says, get ready for football season.

BRM
06-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Personally I'm more excited about Ruhle taking over for Gullett than I am the Narron/Miley swap.

Same here. Narron is likely to have little impact. Ruhle has the potential to have a real positive impact. We'll see.

Gallen5862
06-21-2005, 02:36 PM
We should Hire Ryan Wagners Pitching coach to replace rhule as the organizational pitching instructor. Wagner had spent the off season with him and had gotten his mechanics back. Then he lost it again. Maybe his college coach can help again.

savafan
06-21-2005, 02:38 PM
FWIW, Narron had some really bad pitching in Texas as well

2001 Texas Rangers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2001.shtml)
2002 Texas Rangers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2002.shtml)

KearnsyEars
06-21-2005, 02:40 PM
I think Narron's a better choice than Miley.....miley just was too laid back

smith288
06-21-2005, 02:45 PM
Narron had some success as manager in Tejas.... I hope Narron can construct a flippin lineup.

fs43340
06-21-2005, 02:52 PM
What's wrong with right now? I'd rather have a competent GM making the deadline trades. The Reds wouldn't get a good GM now during the season. Want Kulman again as a Interim GM? I don't! He would be worse than O'Brien. To get a good GM, you must find one during the off season and start completely fresh.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 02:52 PM
Narron had some success as manager in Tejas.... I hope Narron can construct a flippin lineup.There isn't a manager alive that could win with the Reds current pitching. I just want to see if Narron has a clue, we will get an idea to see if the lineup is constructed any different this evening.

Mine would be(if Freel is back)
Freel
Dunn
Lopez
Jr
Randa
Casey
Pena
Valentin\Larue

if no Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Randa
Jr
Pena
Casey
Larue
Bergolla

fs43340
06-21-2005, 03:01 PM
He won't be though. Partly because Miley and Gullett were not really his hires and by replacing them with his guys he will have gained a little more time on the job. I also expect you will see enough improvement in both Milton and Ortiz to justify Gulletts firing. Quite a few pitchers have come to Cincy in the last few years and performed below career norms and a few more have left only to improve when they went elsewhere. I think O'Brien will be gone. Naron won't change a thing. This team is in the tank and will stay there. They are a bunch of spoiled brats. This team and organization needs a major over haul. It can't be all done in season. Some major changes like a new GM can't be done until the off season. I think that they will hire a ''name'' manager like Lou to keep the fans interested and happy.

Tony Cloninger
06-21-2005, 03:13 PM
I think when Ruhle left HOU was the year during the move into the new stadium for them. ERA went way up.....Lima went nuts trying to keep his ERA under 6.00. They have adjusted pretty good to that park haven't they?

Any new pitching philosophy is welcomed on this team.

I want to see how Narron does though with lineups.....and with his bench.
No..playing everyone on the team to make everyone happy.

shredda2000
06-21-2005, 03:15 PM
Dunn's reaction to Miley's firing..."Where's my chair? Did Miley take it with him???"

fs43340
06-21-2005, 03:16 PM
Narron is just Miley in a different uniform. This move had to be done. But it won't do a darn thing. This team is lost and will stay that way!

Joseph
06-21-2005, 03:17 PM
I'm hopinh Narron moves Dunn up to #3 and drops Casey down to 6 or 7.

Heath
06-21-2005, 03:21 PM
The major question in this whole situation has not been asked, and it's apparent to me that this board, as efficent and talented as it is, has not answered the most important question?

Who won the "Death Watch" thread?

(Hint - it's not me!)




:eek: :p: :thumbup: :beerme: :bang: :laugh: :bash:

klw
06-21-2005, 03:29 PM
Here are Dibble's picks for manager.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3707454

Here's an excerpt.


Here are my top candidates for the manager's job.


Ken Griffey Sr. is a proven winner who knows the game in and out. He was like a father figure to not just me, but to many others who played with him or against him. He would get instant respect in the clubhouse. Besides, who would keep Ken Griffey Jr. in line better than Ken Griffey Sr.? The elder Griffey could also bring back Reds traditions.

Barry Larkin. He has over 20 years in the organization, 19 of them in the show. He's bilingual, and as fundamentally sound player as you will ever find. A tough as nails competitor, no one can whip these guys into shape like Mr. Larkin. Plus it worked in Chicago with Ozzie Guillen and the White Sox, so why not here?

Lou Pinella. The last one to win a championship there, Pinella takes no prisoners, wants out of Tampa, and the owner there isn't going to let him coach in NY anyway. I love Lou, because he was the only person I know that hated losing more then me. Would be a great choice.

Larry Bowa. Larry got a raw deal in Philly, because those candya---- couldn't take his hard nose approach. He's a winner, he knows the fundamentals as well as anyone...That swing and miss crap wouldn't fly with him and he could bring some life back to a team that looks like they just lost their dog.

Kevin Kennedy. My partner on XM radio was the last manager to lead the Boston Red Sox to a division crown. I've learned more about the game in four months working with Kevin than from anyone I've ever met. He spent many years in the minor leagues as a player, manager and head of scouting, so he could rebuild the entire organization from the ground up. I doubt he would do it, because he loves working with me too much. Just kidding ...

ghettochild
06-21-2005, 03:32 PM
you can't bring in home grown managment. we already tryed this. the only time it worked was when rose managed.

fs43340
06-21-2005, 03:35 PM
It has to be Sr. or Lou!

MartyFan
06-21-2005, 03:45 PM
I think the political structure was way off to succeed?

Lindener likes OB
Allen likes Miley
Allen is the villan according to the players.

I look for this team to put a real effort in on the field now and if Naron has even nominal success with this team look for him to be named THE MAN, OB to be safe and Allen to HIT THE BRICKS.

IT IS WRITTEN (I love saying that...big ego...okay...just funny)

howyoufreelin
06-21-2005, 03:46 PM
I'd like to see Larkin come in and manage. Heck, Dibble's right. Look at what Guillen's doing in Chicago!

Puffy
06-21-2005, 04:02 PM
(1) Davey Johnson
(2) Lou
(3) Larry Dierker

Thats who I want the Reds to go after, in that order. Saying that, expect Narron to be hired on a full-time basis sometime in September.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 04:03 PM
Here are my top candidates for the manager's job.

Translation: Here are some names I recognize off the top of my head.


Ken Griffey Sr. is a proven winner who knows the game in and out. He was like a father figure to not just me, but to many others who played with him or against him. He would get instant respect in the clubhouse. Besides, who would keep Ken Griffey Jr. in line better than Ken Griffey Sr.? The elder Griffey could also bring back Reds traditions.

Yeah. Ok. Great. So tell me, Dibs...can he actually MANAGE?


Barry Larkin. He has over 20 years in the organization, 19 of them in the show. He's bilingual, and as fundamentally sound player as you will ever find. A tough as nails competitor, no one can whip these guys into shape like Mr. Larkin. Plus it worked in Chicago with Ozzie Guillen and the White Sox, so why not here?

Still not seeing anything about managerial skills...

Moving on...


Lou Pinella. The last one to win a championship there, Pinella takes no prisoners, wants out of Tampa, and the owner there isn't going to let him coach in NY anyway. I love Lou, because he was the only person I know that hated losing more then me. Would be a great choice.

Ok. Lou can manage.


Larry Bowa. Larry got a raw deal in Philly, because those candya---- couldn't take his hard nose approach. He's a winner, he knows the fundamentals as well as anyone...That swing and miss crap wouldn't fly with him and he could bring some life back to a team that looks like they just lost their dog.

Got a "raw deal" by alienating his entire roster. Swing and miss crap wouldn't fly with Bowa? I hear Jim Thome and Pat Burrell snickering in the background. Dibs often goes into outer space mode in an effort to "shock" people. I'll assume the Bowa reference is one of those times.


Kevin Kennedy. My partner on XM radio was the last manager to lead the Boston Red Sox to a division crown. I've learned more about the game in four months working with Kevin than from anyone I've ever met. He spent many years in the minor leagues as a player, manager and head of scouting, so he could rebuild the entire organization from the ground up. I doubt he would do it, because he loves working with me too much. Just kidding ...

Dibs, rebuilding an organization from the ground up doesn't happen from the bench during games. That being said, we know one thing about Kevin Kennedy- he's used to managing ballclubs with bad pitching. So he'd fit right in here.

deltachi8
06-21-2005, 04:04 PM
what Puffy said.

Jpup
06-21-2005, 04:07 PM
can someone please tell Dan that the pitching is the problem. It's not the "little things."

The_jbh
06-21-2005, 04:07 PM
Wow i hate listening to O'Brien talk. He speaks in a monotone voice and with boring words.

The_jbh
06-21-2005, 04:08 PM
can someone please tell Dan that the pitching is the problem. It's not the "little things."

We have a lot more problems than pitching. We havent hit well or fielded well.

He is addressing those things right now on the press conference, pitching, situational hitting etc...

Jpup
06-21-2005, 04:10 PM
We have a lot more problems than pitching. We havent hit well or fielded well.

He is addressing those things right now on the press conference, pitching, situational hitting etc...

the problem is the pitching. please tell me what's wrong with the 2nd best offense in the National League?

The_jbh
06-21-2005, 04:16 PM
the problem is the pitching. please tell me what's wrong with the 2nd best offense in the National League?

HAHAHA


How bout 1/13 with runners in scoring position on saturday for example?

How bout sunday Rich aurilla leading off the inning with a triple and we don't score a run that inning...

Those are the little things we need to do. Put the ball in the outfield or atleast into play.

That's just flat out awful baseball.

Pitching is obviously our major problem but to say it's our only problem is flatout ignorant. This whole team is a mess.

Az Red
06-21-2005, 04:19 PM
The way I see it, O'Brien is now out of excuses. He has his guys on the field taking his direction. If the Reds don't make an amazing turn around, he may get half of next season to prove he belongs as a GM. Then we will see...

Miley made a lot of on field decisions that left the majority here scratching their head. Gullet has not proven to be the great pitching instructor he is reputed as. The facts just didn't support either staying here.

I wonder if we can get a 'fly on the wall' in the clubhouse tonight...

What is Narron's opening line?

"Good Evening, My name is Coach Narron and I know I haven't met many of you yet, but I plan on getting to it tonight after the game. Now, lets go out there and win one for Dan."

Jpup
06-21-2005, 04:21 PM
HAHAHA


How bout 1/13 with runners in scoring position on saturday for example?

How bout sunday Rich aurilla leading off the inning with a triple and we don't score a run that inning...

Those are the little things we need to do. Put the ball in the outfield or atleast into play.

That's just flat out awful baseball.

Pitching is obviously our major problem but to say it's our only problem is flatout ignorant. This whole team is a mess.

ok.

LexingtonRedsFan
06-21-2005, 04:29 PM
Heard Narron say he would like to get someone up here to work with the OF's...guess he hasnt liked Dunn's and Pena's work out there..... :rolleyes:

It will be interesting the first time he calls for extra bp or fielding and some dont show....

The_jbh
06-21-2005, 04:33 PM
I say you pull the good ole HS baseball trick...

"Batting Practice Saturday morning is optional" Coach says


Monday, every kid not at batting practice isn't in the line up.


NO ONE on this team is playing well enough to not need some extra practice.

PickOff
06-21-2005, 04:36 PM
So, do the Reds win tonight or is Dunn still in the six hole?

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 04:39 PM
Thats who I want the Reds to go after, in that order. Saying that, expect Narron to be hired on a full-time basis sometime in September.

I expect it as soon as we have a 3 game winning streak.

RedsFan75
06-21-2005, 04:42 PM
So, do the Reds win tonight or is Dunn still in the six hole?

On baseball tonight they were talking about Dunn hitting in the 6 hole... and were talking about payroll. Comment along the line of the 6 hitter commanding 8+ mill after Arb... Kruck said something about should Dunn be in the 6 hole. and Gammons and Reynolds both said something along the lines of that's a complete other discussion we won't get into.
:laugh:

flyer85
06-21-2005, 04:44 PM
So, do the Reds win tonight or is Dunn still in the six hole?I don't see how those are tied together. Afterall, it's the pitching ...

ochre
06-21-2005, 04:54 PM
I say you pull the good ole HS baseball trick...

"Batting Practice Saturday morning is optional" Coach says


Monday, every kid not at batting practice isn't in the line up.


NO ONE on this team is playing well enough to not need some extra practice.
The only hope is that none of the pitchers show up for BP and the Reds have to forfeit?

PickOff
06-21-2005, 05:00 PM
I don't see how those are tied together. Afterall, it's the pitching ...

It does have effect on the players in terms of their respect for the coach and belief that they have a chance to win. It would also signal that changes will be afoot immediately and for the better. However, yes, pitching is the vast majority of the problem, though run production could be more consistant. Hopefully Rhule will make a difference, though I don't expect enough of a difference can be made by a pitching coach with this staff.

vic715
06-21-2005, 05:20 PM
This is another front office copout.OB should be the 1st one gone.

BRM
06-21-2005, 05:24 PM
Tonight's lineup, according to Marc Lancaster's blog.

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P

redsrule2500
06-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Well looking at Reds.com he has the emotion ;)

Mario-Rijo
06-21-2005, 05:51 PM
Just for the record, here is my Lineup card(s).

vs. RHP

Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Dunn LF
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Casey 1B
Pena RF
Valentin C

vs. LHP

Freel 2b
Lopez SS
Griffey CF
Pena RF
Casey 1B
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Larue C

Possibly a little unconventional in spots but I think it fits well!

larryboy
06-21-2005, 05:53 PM
Hate to see people get fired but it was overdue. Unfortunately there needs to be many more as this organization needs to clean house and re-build. They need to an entire new strategy, not just a refinement. Plus they need to learn how to win again.

A new GM will be much more important. Pat Gillick has a good track record and is available. I like Hunsicker for the job.

penantboundreds
06-21-2005, 05:58 PM
If Freel is playing

Freel
Pena
Jr
Dunn
Felipe
Casey
Randa
LaRue
(P)

If Freel sits
Lopez
Dunn
Pena
Jr
Randa
Casey
Aurillia
LaRue

Pena needs to see more fastballs. He has to be moved up, I think Jr. could be switched for Dunn in the three hole so he can see more fastballs as well, but I think with Randa behind Dunn/JR. in the four hole, that is still a little bit more protection. The majority of our offense should come from the top, that's why we can't continually put RA in the two hole, that is flat rediculous.

Maldez
06-21-2005, 05:59 PM
Why all the excitement? Just change for the sake of change. It'll have as much impact as playing in knickers.

penantboundreds
06-21-2005, 06:02 PM
As for Gully gone...that was overdue, best of luck to the guy, but when you agree to letting both Eric Milton and Ortiz be summoned here, you were pretty much toast. The pitching coach should watch tape and see oh okay, we really can do this, or we can't. You have to know what you are getting before you get it, and I feel that is what led to him being axed.

Van Ruhle huh? Okay, well, it's a change. Hope for the best from this staff. Is this Van Ruhle guy going to be long term, short term? Who are some good pitching coaches out there, without a team, that could possibly end up being this teams pitching coach in the future, if he is shortterm.

reds44
06-21-2005, 06:09 PM
No more pitch to contact yes!





This move was a long time coming though. Th eonly reason we didnt fire him after the Braves series was because he won the final game. So we waited untill he lost.

PickOff
06-21-2005, 06:10 PM
Tonight's lineup, according to Marc Lancaster's blog.

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P


Beautiful. Casey 3rd Dunn 6th= status quo = status quo

ochre
06-21-2005, 06:11 PM
No more pitch to contact yes!





This move was a long time coming though. Th eonly reason we didnt fire him after the Braves series was because he won the final game. So we waited untill he lost.
pitch to contact was Dan O's thing. He spewed that regularly in the offseason he was hired.

reds44
06-21-2005, 06:11 PM
Tonight's lineup, according to Marc Lancaster's blog.

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P


See Narron really wanted to shake things up! :devil:



Is Freel hurt?

VI_RedsFan
06-21-2005, 06:12 PM
Great to hear that Miley and Gullett are gone. Probably won't make much of a difference now, but at least things are moving in the right direction. I've seen Narron's first lineup for tonight's game against the Cards, and I don't like it.

Dunn 6th? :thumbdown

Aurilla 2nd? :thumbdown

Casey 3rd? :thumbdown

RedsFan75
06-21-2005, 06:15 PM
Freel has turf toe or something like that

penantboundreds
06-21-2005, 06:18 PM
Give him a break, he can't just slap Miley in the face the first game.

penantboundreds
06-21-2005, 06:22 PM
well, i change that, i can't wait until he changes it though, he will. no worries there. please.

PickOff
06-21-2005, 06:34 PM
Give him a break, he can't just slap Miley in the face the first game.

I'll give him two games. He's got to show that it's his team and that Miley was part of the problem. If not, than everyone knows that this move meant absolutely nothing. Even if he was the one behind Miley's lineups this still holds true. This is one case in which change for the sake of change can work and must happen even if you don't believe in the change, which I hope to goodness he does.

MartyFan
06-21-2005, 06:40 PM
Great to hear that Miley and Gullett are gone. Probably won't make much of a difference now, but at least things are moving in the right direction. I've seen Narron's first lineup for tonight's game against the Cards, and I don't like it.

Dunn 6th? :thumbdown

Aurilla 2nd? :thumbdown

Casey 3rd? :thumbdown

I think Dunn and Casey should be flipped...I don't mind Aurilla in the 2 spot...since he got back from the DL he has been hitting lights out and made some really solid defensive plays.

MartyFan
06-21-2005, 06:42 PM
Why all the excitement? Just change for the sake of change. It'll have as much impact as playing in knickers.

KNICKERS!!!!! That's what we've been missing! :thumbup:

LexingtonRedsFan
06-21-2005, 06:44 PM
Tonight's lineup, according to Marc Lancaster's blog.

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P

Great to see Narron put his stamp on this team and show 'em whose boss by taking larue out the lineup...... :rolleyes:

BRM
06-21-2005, 06:50 PM
This is just my opinion but if I have to watch the Reds lose, I'd prefer to see some younger players in the process. Nothing against RA personally but I'd rather see Bergolla get some starts at 2B with Freel hurt. Unless they are showcasing RA for a potential trade...

VI_RedsFan
06-21-2005, 06:53 PM
I think Dunn and Casey should be flipped...I don't mind Aurilla in the 2 spot...since he got back from the DL he has been hitting lights out and made some really solid defensive plays.

True. I'd like to see Dunn in the 3 or 4 slot and I'd really like to see Casey in the 6 slot.

Red Leader
06-21-2005, 06:54 PM
Casey has NO business batting higher than 6th in this lineup with Lopez, Dunn, Randa, Griffey and Freel around.

PickOff
06-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Casey has NO business batting higher than 6th in this lineup with Lopez, Dunn, Randa, Griffey and Freel around.

Don't you know? Only our power guys bat lower than the five hole.

BRM
06-21-2005, 06:57 PM
Don't you know? Only our power guys bat lower than the five hole.

And the guys who make the fewest outs.

kyred14
06-21-2005, 07:15 PM
progess won't be made until they fire the one who put this team together. this move does absolutely nothing.

redram
06-21-2005, 08:07 PM
Not that I agree or disagree with the firing of Miley and Gullet, however, I am sad to see anyone lose there job. IMHO no one should be HAPPY about such things as this, as it only means the Reds have been a poor team. You can support the decsison, or not support it, that is anyones right and I agree he may have needed to be fired, but I am NEVER HAPPY to see anyone lose their JOB.

butlerbulldogs
06-21-2005, 10:28 PM
don't feel bad for Miley for being fired, he still gets paid next season, too!!

Sgtshafer
06-22-2005, 01:24 AM
Bring on Larry Bowa.

The_jbh
06-22-2005, 04:36 AM
Great to see Narron put his stamp on this team and show 'em whose boss by taking larue out the lineup...... :rolleyes:

Doesnt valentin normally catch for Claussen? i think they are battery mates weekly? So he didnt make a change at all

Ron Madden
06-22-2005, 05:19 AM
I say you pull the good ole HS baseball trick...

"Batting Practice Saturday morning is optional" Coach says


Monday, every kid not at batting practice isn't in the line up.


NO ONE on this team is playing well enough to not need some extra practice.

This club has many problems.

Exra batting practice IMHO would be way down on a list of things to fix. ;)

Jpup
06-22-2005, 06:31 AM
Not that I agree or disagree with the firing of Miley and Gullet, however, I am sad to see anyone lose there job. IMHO no one should be HAPPY about such things as this, as it only means the Reds have been a poor team. You can support the decsison, or not support it, that is anyones right and I agree he may have needed to be fired, but I am NEVER HAPPY to see anyone lose their JOB.

I hear what you are saying, but I can't say that I feel the same way. It's bad that someone has to lose their job, but they would not have lost it, if they were doing it.

I will be very happy when Dan O'brien is given his walking papers. I think that going to the root of the problems is the best way.

Ravenlord
06-22-2005, 09:56 AM
list of Gully's pitchers, 1993-2005:

Jose Acevedo
Carlos Almanzar
Mike Anderson
Jimmy Anderson
Justin Atchley
Jeff Austin
Steve Avery
Bob Ayala
Many Aybar
John Bale
Tim Belcher
Stan Belinda
Matt Belisle
Rob Bell
Jason Bere
Ricky Bones
Jung Bong
Jeff Brantley
Jim Brower
Tom Browning
Dave Burba
Chris Bushing
Greg Cadaret
Giovanni Carrara
Hector Carasco
Juan Cerros
Norm Charlton
Bruce Chen
Brandon Claussen
Todd Coffey
Steve Cooke
John Courtright
Jim Crowell
Lance Davis
Ron Delucia
Ryan Dempster
Elmer Dessens
Rob Dibble
Joey Eischen
Shawn Estes
Seth Etherton
Jared Fernandez
Osvaldo Fernandez
Tim Fortungo
Scott Foster
Keith Glauber
Danny Graves
Rick Greene
Matt Grott
Juan Guzman
Josh Hall
Joey Hamilton
Josh Hancock
Eric Hanson
Aaron Harang
Pete Harnisch
Jimmy Haynes
Dwayne Henry
Felix Heredia
Xavier Hernandez
Milt Hill
John Hudek
Luke Hudson
Matt Hutton
Mike Jackson
Kevin Jarvis
Todd Jones
Ricardo Jordan
Jeff Kaiser
Randy Keisler
Scott Klingenbeck
Rick Krivda
Marc Kroon
Bill Landrum
Andy Larkin
Richie Lewis
Corey Lidle
Dave Lilliquist
Larry Luebbers
Chris Lyons
Scott McRae
Josias Manzanillo
Pedro Martinez
Mike Matthews
Chuck McElroy
Hector Mercado
Kent Mercker
Eric Milton
Brian Moehler
Mike Moore
Mike Morgan
Andy Myette
Danny Neagle
Chris Nichting
CJ Nitkowski
Phil Norton
Ramon Ortiz
Juan Padilla
Steve Parris
Brad Pennington
Chris Piersoll
Luis Pineda
Mark Portugal
Ross Powell
Eddie Priest
Tim Pugh
Elizardo Ramirez
Scott Randall
Jeff Reardon
Rick Reed
Brian Reith
Chris Reitsma
Mike Remlinger
Dennys Reyes
John Riedling
Jose Rijo
Felix Rodriguez
Frankie Rodriguez
John Roper
Johnny Ruffin
Scot Ruskin
BJ Ryan
Roger Salked
Jesus Sanchez
Pete Schourek
Danny Serafini
Scott Service
Jeff Shaw
Juan Silva
John Smiley
Lee Smith
Pete Smith
Jeff Spradlin
Ricky Stone
Scott Sullivan
Jeff Tabaka
Brett Tomko
Joe Valentine
Todd Van Poppel
Ron Villone
Frank Viola
Ryan Wagner
Mark Watson
David Weathers
Ben Weber
David Wells
Gabe White
Kevin Wickander
Todd Williams
Scott Williamson
Paul Wilson
Scott Winchester
Mark Wohlers



161 pitchers in all.