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Redsland
06-21-2005, 05:20 PM
Per Marc's blog (http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/):

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P

Marc's comment: "The more things change…"

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 05:21 PM
Booooooooo

flyer85
06-21-2005, 05:22 PM
Maybe Dave made it out before he left.

guttle11
06-21-2005, 05:23 PM
Dunn sixth? Fire Narron :beerme:

ochre
06-21-2005, 05:23 PM
Maybe Dave made it out before he left.
or, maybe the parts many didn't like about Miley's lineups were Narron's influence. We will not know for a while, but this is a fairly poor start.

Crash Davis
06-21-2005, 05:24 PM
or, maybe the parts many didn't like about Miley's lineups were Narron's influence. We will not know for a while, but this is a fairly poor start.

I've been suspecting that for awhile.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 05:24 PM
Perhaps Dan O is making out the lineups ;)

guttle11
06-21-2005, 05:24 PM
Based on that then either Narron thinks just like Miley or he doesnt want to change things because he doesnt expect to be here long. Ill take both

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 05:25 PM
or, maybe the parts many didn't like about Miley's lineups were Narron's influence. We will not know for a while, but this is a fairly poor start.

He was the bench coach...and he is DanO's guy....Miley wasn't


Sounds like conspiracy theory stuff, but I wouldn't rule anything out with this organization

flyer85
06-21-2005, 05:26 PM
or, maybe the parts many didn't like about Miley's lineups were Narron's influence. We will not know for a while, but this is a fairly poor start.from a guy trying to tell me that the key is "playing the game the right way and doing the little things" this is exactly what I expected.

THE PITCHING SUCKS, THE PITCHING SUCKS, THE PITCHING SUCKS.

I feel better, that is what I wanted to hear at the press conference.

LvJ
06-21-2005, 05:26 PM
Welp... confidence lowered.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 05:27 PM
Welp... confidence lowered.
It was nice for awhile wasn't it? ;)

RosieRed
06-21-2005, 05:28 PM
This lineup = :thumbdown

I guess Freel is still hurt?

wheels
06-21-2005, 05:29 PM
Same freaking lineup.

Firing the manager is supposed to change things?

How, exactly?

The lineups stink, but they score in spite of it...But I expected something to be different what with a new manager and all, and things look EXACTLY the same so far.

Narron must've been the one making the lineups.

ochre
06-21-2005, 05:30 PM
Same freaking lineup.

Firing the manager is supposed to change things?

How, exactly?

The lineups stink, but they score in spite of it...But I expected something to be different what with a new manager and all, and things look EXACTLY the same so far.

Narron must've been the one making the lineups.
Be patient. Like has been said in other threads, he was pretty busy this afternoon. I am not optimistic, but let's give him a week :)

Crash Davis
06-21-2005, 05:31 PM
Per Marc's blog (http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/):

Lopez SS
Aurilia 2B
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Randa 3B
Dunn LF
Pena RF
Valentin C
Claussen P

Marc's comment: "The more things change…"

Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not?

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 05:31 PM
This lineup = :thumbdown

I guess Freel is still hurt?

Or he's just on the bench so Solid RA can play.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 05:31 PM
Maybe Freel has lost his starting job and we just haven't been told about it.

Afterall this is the organization that told us that Pauly was in extended spring training "working on his mechanics."

Crash Davis
06-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Be patient. Like has been said in other threads, he was pretty busy this afternoon. I am not optimistic, but let's give him a week :)

I take it you're kidding. It takes 90 seconds to make out a lineup.

Let's hope he's given plenty of thought to changes well before today.

RosieRed
06-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Or he's just on the bench so Solid RA can play.

I was trying so hard not to think that ...

flyer85
06-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not?I think it is, I think Marc was just a little shocked that the first 7 look exactly like last night.

LvJ
06-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not? Hmm ..

And it's 3 hours til game time.

I doubt that's really it. :confused:

Blimpie
06-21-2005, 05:33 PM
Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not?Maybe he was talking directly to the St. Louis pitchers?

GIK
06-21-2005, 05:33 PM
Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not?

I was thinking the same thing, Crash. I'm not sure we've seen the lineup for tonight just yet.

Redsland
06-21-2005, 05:39 PM
Marc has never posted a bogus lineup, and he states that this is tonight's, so I'll take him at his word.

I'm with Crash: A lineup takes a few minutes at most, and Narron has been on the job all day, and has had all year to ruminate on matters. His first lineup is a Milo, er, Miley, and I hate it.

And yes, it appears that Freel is still hurt.

ochre
06-21-2005, 05:40 PM
I take it you're kidding. It takes 90 seconds to make out a lineup.

Let's hope he's given plenty of thought to changes well before today.
Oh, I am thinking the worst.

I'm thinking that everything I didn't like about Miley's lineups was strongly influenced by Narron.

I'm scared to death that this team will pull a .500 record out of the hat for the rest of the season and that will be seen as a success and that will become the evidence DO needs to justify his "plan". That will ensure Narron's role will continue into next season.

I have decided since I can't change any of that, I'm going to give him a week :)

SunDeck
06-21-2005, 05:51 PM
Maybe Dave made it out before he left.

Narron doesn't want to be there, either. Figures this is the best way to a quick exit.

NJReds
06-21-2005, 06:09 PM
Dunn batting 6th...Is Narron really BadFundamentals?

IslandRed
06-21-2005, 06:11 PM
Perhaps Dan O is making out the lineups ;)

If it wasn't obviously giving the man too much credit, I'd be inclined to think he was ordering certain guys to be shined up for a trade. At least there would be SOME logic to that.

ochre
06-21-2005, 06:12 PM
If it wasn't obviously giving the man too much credit, I'd be inclined to think he was ordering certain guys to be shined up for a trade. At least there would be SOME logic to that.
except for the fact that he hasn't given up on '05 yet.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 06:15 PM
If it wasn't obviously giving the man too much credit, I'd be inclined to think he was ordering certain guys to be shined up for a trade. At least there would be SOME logic to that.That would imply that DanO is making out the lineup.

TRF
06-21-2005, 06:35 PM
If indeed that is the lineup...

I Loathe Jerry Narron © interim manager experiment.

beat ya Puffy.

Puffy
06-21-2005, 06:49 PM
If indeed that is the lineup...

I Loathe Jerry Narron © interim manager experiment.

beat ya Puffy.

Stupid meetings!!

Seriously, as I stated in another thread, it would be foolish to think that the Bench Coach did not have a huge influence in helping with lineups. Therefore, I think we are in store for more of the same with Narron. In other words, Casey stays 3rd all the time, and Dunn is always either 5th or 6th.

But Aurilla second still? I don't care if he is hot, you don't give Rich Aurilla more at bats in a game than Dunn, Griffey, Pena or even Randa.

kheidg-
06-21-2005, 06:50 PM
Wow. I expected some changes - if this is indeed the line-up the Reds maybe should fire Narron next and give Chambliss a shot.

TeamBoone
06-21-2005, 06:51 PM
Maybe Freel has lost his starting job and we just haven't been told about it.

Supposedly, he has a toe problem.

doug flynn
06-21-2005, 07:05 PM
I take it you're kidding. It takes 90 seconds to make out a lineup.

Have you seen one of Narron's line-up cards...done in calligraphy...while the team imploded. It's the little things...

CTA513
06-21-2005, 07:06 PM
I just checked foxsports.com and thats the lineup they have up....

BOO!

Candy Cummings
06-21-2005, 07:08 PM
Oh, I am thinking the worst.

I'm scared to death that this team will pull a .500 record out of the hat for the rest of the season and that will be seen as a success and that will become the evidence DO needs to justify his "plan".

This is the least of our concerns, especially once we unload some talent.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 07:08 PM
Reds
1. F Lopez, SS
2. R Aurilia, 2B
3. S Casey, 1B
4. K Griffey Jr., CF
5. J Randa, 3B
6. A Dunn, LF
7. W Pena, RF
8. J Valentin, C
9. B Claussen, P

Cardinals
1. D Eckstein, SS
2. M Grudzielanek, 2B
3. A Pujols, 1B
4. R Sanders, LF
5. S Rolen, 3B
6. S Seabol, RF
7. S Taguchi, CF
8. Y Molina, C
9. J Marquis, P

Joseph
06-21-2005, 07:15 PM
I was told earlier today that Dunn was the perfect example of why OPS was a flawed statistic.

membengal
06-21-2005, 07:25 PM
And here I was hoping that the Rich Aurilia fetishists were swept out of power.

Guess not.

Back to heavy drinking to dull the pain.

SirFelixCat
06-21-2005, 07:37 PM
*sigh* So, assuming Narron really is the "interim" manager, who is DanO targeting? Seriously.


At least I have Marquis starting for my fantasy team.

wheels
06-21-2005, 07:42 PM
It's a sick, sad world in Reds Nation.

I'm feeling a bit crestfallen right now.

Marc_Lancaster
06-21-2005, 07:48 PM
Marc's blog says "Just for fun, here's tonight's lineup."

What does just for fun mean? Is it really the lineup or not?

It meant I kinda figured the reaction in these quarters would be about like it is, and I was looking for something to smile about on a very, very busy day.

Carry on!

wheels
06-21-2005, 07:50 PM
It meant I kinda figured the reaction in these quarters would be about like it is, and I was looking for something to smile about on a very, very busy day.

Carry on!

Glad we could cheer you up. :laugh:

smith288
06-21-2005, 08:03 PM
It meant I kinda figured the reaction in these quarters would be about like it is, and I was looking for something to smile about on a very, very busy day.

Carry on! Why didnt anyone bother to ask Narron about putting a high OBP higher up in the order??? Are we the only ones wondering??

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:16 PM
3 up 3 down good start for Claussen.

membengal
06-21-2005, 08:16 PM
I could have sworn that Chris Welsh just said Claussen's numbers were "not good"...did anyone else hear that? WTF? Claussen's 4.02 ERA is better than league average, and has been the second best starter on the staff behind Harang. Does Welsh say similar things when Ortiz/Milton are being blow'd up? What is his problem anyway?

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:17 PM
1-2-3 inning but Claussen cant keep going 3-2 on batters like he did on the first 2 batters.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Why didnt anyone bother to ask Narron about putting a high OBP higher up in the order??? Are we the only ones wondering??

OBP is too cool for some ;)

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:17 PM
I could have sworn that Chris Welsh just said Claussen's numbers were "not good"...did anyone else hear that? WTF? Claussen's 4.02 ERA is better than league average, and has been the second best starter on the staff behind Harang. Does Welsh say similar things when Ortiz/Milton are being blow'd up? What is his problem anyway?

Chris reads a cue-card written by a gnome.

Tony Cloninger
06-21-2005, 08:19 PM
Is Welsh still saying that Lopez was yelling at Carpentar last night?
He said that last night.....or he assumed that since the STL players walk on water and do charity work for Mother Teresa on the side.

I am spoiled on Vin Scully. Everyone else really sucks compared to him.

But these 2 are just awful announcers.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:20 PM
Must have been one wicked breaking pitch that Lopez just K'd on, Gamecast has it over a foot low and outside.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:20 PM
Chris and George going on and on defending Carpender

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:22 PM
Aurilia triples. He is hated, but is also enfuego. Does anyone smell shoeshine?

rdiersin
06-21-2005, 08:22 PM
I could have sworn that Chris Welsh just said Claussen's numbers were "not good"...did anyone else hear that? WTF? Claussen's 4.02 ERA is better than league average, and has been the second best starter on the staff behind Harang. Does Welsh say similar things when Ortiz/Milton are being blow'd up? What is his problem anyway?

That's because his numbers aren't that good.


Pitcher IP H 2B 3B HR ERA K/9 K/BB FIP
Brandon Claussen 53.7 62 14 0 9 4.02 6.71 2.00 5.01

He's been hit hard, as evidence by the 14 doubles, 9 hrs. His FIP also isn't particularly good. He's easily the 2nd best starter on the Reds, but that doesn't say much right now.

And it really pains me to actually agree with anything Chris Welsh says.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:23 PM
Ground ball by Casey plates Aurillia

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:24 PM
Ground ball by Casey plates Aurillia

Productive out. :rolleyes:

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:25 PM
That's because his numbers aren't that good.


Pitcher IP H 2B 3B HR ERA K/9 K/BB FIP
Brandon Claussen 53.7 62 14 0 9 4.02 6.71 2.00 5.01

He's been hit hard, as evidence by the 14 doubles, 9 hrs. His FIP also isn't particularly good. He's easily the 2nd best starter on the Reds, but that doesn't say much right now.

No, he's not been great. But he has shown improvement, incremental improvement--and some tenacity (plus less of a willingness to groove a fatty on a hitter's count than some members of the rotation).

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Griifey flies out to the wall in centre.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Can we finally change Sean's name to Hal?

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:26 PM
It wasnt a ground ball it was a line drive over the pitchers head, but the pitcher got a glove on it and Eckstein got to the ball and threw Casey out a 1st. If the pitcher didnt tip the ball it would have been a line drive single up the middle.

WMR
06-21-2005, 08:26 PM
Grande: "Taguchi didn't have to be Superman, Like Edmonds, on that play!"

ARRGGHHH!!!

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:26 PM
No. His power has been higher in just about every year besides this one. Once his power shows up then maybe we can put these comparisons to rest.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:28 PM
It wasnt a ground ball it was a line drive over the pitchers head, but the pitcher got a glove on it and Eckstein got to the ball and threw Casey out a 1st. If the pitcher didnt tip the ball it would have been a line drive single up the middle.

No matter how you slice it, it's scored a ground out.

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 08:29 PM
Chris reads a cue-card written by a gnome.

"It's so easy, even a cave man could do it."

WMR
06-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Welsh on pitching coach need for Cincy Reds: "Not alot of instruction needed here. More just massaging egos."


WHAT?!?!?!

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Claussen having trouble with the first pitch strike. An the second. And the third. Goes 3-0 to both Sanders and Rolen, gets one to fly out, the other walks.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Claussen with another game with poor command. First thing if I was Ruhle, would be to show him the Orioles game over and over again............................

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:31 PM
The way Claussen is pitching its going to be another long day for the bullpen.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:32 PM
Claussen with another game with poor command. First thing if I was Ruhle, would be to show him the Orioles game over and over again............................

The Orioles are a free-swinging bunch; not so the Cardinals. You got to be careful with them.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:33 PM
Seabol walks, cmon Brandon. Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out. Taguchi, the red Robber, is up.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:33 PM
The Orioles are a free-swinging bunch; not so the Cardinals. You got to be careful with them.

Yeah, but he was hitting his spots against them which made them so easy to handle. He isn't even giving himself a shot tonight.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:34 PM
That looked like a DP if it doesn't hit Claussen.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:34 PM
how about that... one of the walks scored.

:/

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:35 PM
There goes the lead. Taguchi singles to right. 1-1

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:35 PM
More Narron is Dan O's guy stuff from our Card fans doing TV.

I'm feeling worst as the game goes on :help:

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:35 PM
The Reds atrocious luck against the Cardinals continues.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:38 PM
Now both walks scored....

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:39 PM
How does Taguchi get to second on a Fly ball to CF? If the ball made it to the plate, it better have been close.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 08:39 PM
I wonder what Narron will think of Jr overthrowing the cutoff man now that it has cost the Reds a run.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:40 PM
3-1 Cardinals.... another day to over use the bullpen.

:/

Chip R
06-21-2005, 08:40 PM
The more things change... :(

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 08:40 PM
Vern Ruhle will have his work cut out for him...

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:40 PM
Claussen will be lucky to pitch 5 innings.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 08:40 PM
Jason Marquis, he of a now .361 avg, gets the RBI, now 3-1 Cards. grrr.

WMR
06-21-2005, 08:41 PM
Opposing team pitchers continue to rake.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:41 PM
Some really cheap runs.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 08:42 PM
The Cards 6-8 hitters are putrid. All three have an OPS under .700, but Claussen is having trouble with them.

3-1 Cards as Marquis singles. He was hitting .343/.378/.571 in 37 pa before that hit.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:42 PM
God that stunk, not a great hit in the bunch. That's what happens when you walk guys.

Pitching to contact is useful for pitchers like Claussen. With our staff the only way to limit the damage is to limit the walks since we all know that the Reds are not immune to giving up hits.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:45 PM
Randa time!!!

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:45 PM
Randa homers.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:45 PM
Here comes that Randa contract extension

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 08:45 PM
Randa improving that trade value...

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:46 PM
Randa ties the game with a 2 run homerun.

It was a solo bomb.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:46 PM
ROTFLMAO!

Guy in the stands borrows a guy's crutch (the kind that slots on the arm rather than under the arm) to try and get Randa's HR ball from the grass beyond CF.

And a great PA by Dunn.

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 08:46 PM
Pitching to contact is useful for pitchers like Claussen. With our staff the only way to limit the damage is to limit the walks since we all know that the Reds are not immune to giving up hits.

I maybe the only one here who likes the concept of pitch to contact. Hopefully Ruhle will be able to implement it better than his predecessor.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:47 PM
It was a solo bomb.

I see that now, but on TV they showed a man on 1st while Randa was batting.

:bang:

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:47 PM
Dunn walks

I loath the 6 spot in the order.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:48 PM
I have never seen a Double hit as hard as Wily Mo just hit one.

Oh. My. God.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:48 PM
I have never seen a Double hit as hard as Wily Mo just hit one.

Oh. My. God.

It's good to see. He's looked bad--double bad- for a week and a half.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 08:48 PM
That was a missile LOL!

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:48 PM
I have never seen a Double hit as hard as Wily Mo just hit one.

Oh. My. God.

lol Rolen had no chance at grabbing that one.

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 08:49 PM
I have never seen a Double hit as hard as Wily Mo just hit one.

Oh. My. God.

That would have taken Rolens arm clean off if he had caught it!

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:49 PM
I see that now, but on TV they showed a man on 1st while Randa was batting.

:bang:

Whisler maybe?

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 08:50 PM
I have never seen a Double hit as hard as Wily Mo just hit one.

Oh. My. God.

He has to be the strongest player I have ever seen. Dunn in not too shabby himself.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:50 PM
lol Rolen had no chance at grabbing that one.

Forget Rolen. That ball couldn't have been caught by Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, or Wally West.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:50 PM
Valentin :clap:

CTA513
06-21-2005, 08:50 PM
Valentin homers.

5-3 Reds.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 08:50 PM
Or a brick wall.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:51 PM
The pig man strikes. 5-3 Reds.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:51 PM
Javier Valentin just hit the most awkward HR bomb I've ever seen.

5-3 Reds!

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 08:51 PM
I never have been impressed by Marquis. He may be a solid back end starter, but no where near the ace that some people make him out to be.

corkedbat
06-21-2005, 08:52 PM
Claussen battling

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 08:52 PM
This pitcher is pitching Red like :D

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:52 PM
Claussen singles. Still no outs.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:52 PM
I never have been impressed by Marquis.

I don't know about you but I'd kill to have him with the Reds.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 08:52 PM
Even for a pitcher, that was a baaaad swing Claussen just fouled that pitch off with.

Then he singles.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:53 PM
I never have been impressed by Marquis. He may be a solid back end starter, but no where near the ace that some people make him out to be.

Neither I. The guy's always had bunk peripherals.

corkedbat
06-21-2005, 08:53 PM
Heck of an AB by Brandon :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 08:53 PM
Sign Narron to a LTC!!!!! ;)

TC81190
06-21-2005, 08:54 PM
Lopez Caseys. 2 outs.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 08:54 PM
Felipe beats the throw to first but gets called out anyway on the back end of a Casey.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 08:55 PM
Sign Narron to a LTC!!!!! ;)

Just wait till Claussen starts pitching again and you will be calling for his head. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 08:55 PM
Just wait till Claussen starts pitching again and you will be calling for his head. ;)

Nah...Vern's head ;)

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 08:56 PM
It's definitely going to be a night for the bullpens.

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 08:57 PM
Did anyone ever hear what Carpenter was jawing about last night after Lopez's HR?

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 09:00 PM
It's definitely going to be a night for the bullpens.

Tom Hume should have been sent packing today. The Reds should have made it a clean sweep as far as the pitching staff goes, IMO.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:00 PM
I HATE how much the Crappy Lefthander and Sunny love the Cards. :bang:

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:04 PM
Why is Pujols stealing so much this year?

Close play at the plate, ball is bobbled, run scores.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 09:04 PM
looks like a double figures kind of a night

CTA513
06-21-2005, 09:04 PM
I bet Larue would have held on to that ball.

Joseph
06-21-2005, 09:04 PM
LaRue would have had that.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:05 PM
Man. Dunn makes a PERFECT throw but Javy just flat out drops it, allowing Pujols to score. Dang.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 09:06 PM
I'll let Javy off the hook since he did hit the HR.

CTA513
06-21-2005, 09:07 PM
I'll let Javy off the hook since he did hit the HR.

He doesnt get off the hook for that, he should have had it and I can almost guarentee Larue would have had it.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 09:08 PM
Infield single by Casey.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:08 PM
Grande: "Ground ball, ECKSTEIN BOUNCES UP!! THROW TO FIRST...he's safe..."

:angry:

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:09 PM
He doesnt get off the hook for that, he should have had it and I can almost guarentee Larue would have had it.

But would larue have hit the 3-run home run that gave the Reds the lead?

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:09 PM
Infield single by Casey.

Epstein must be bad for Casey to make it to first before the throw.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:09 PM
Griffey singles. 1st and 2nd. Here's Randa.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Since I wasn't around for the homer... Randa is enfuego. I Puffy the Aurilia signing.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Epstein must be bad for Casey to make it to first before the throw.

Casey hit it on the ground to 2B.

Eckstein's a SS.

There's the math for ya'. ;)

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Fly out. 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Sac Fly opp. for Adam Dunn.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Here it comes...SAC FLY TIME :D

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:12 PM
Sac fly, cmon Dunner!!!!

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:12 PM
Our card fans in the booth mocking Adam ;)

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:12 PM
Well, now that Dunn's up, this is an appropriate time to mention the next player who's destined to be completely misunderstood by his fan base:

Jonny Gomes- Tampa Bay Devil Rays

Check him out.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:13 PM
..or Dunn won't get anything to hit ;)

wheels
06-21-2005, 09:13 PM
Yeah, like he's gonna get a pitch to hit.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 09:13 PM
3-0 breaking ball

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Walk, no sac fly. Dunn is not a team player. Bases loaded for Pena.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Dunn walks.

Pena will hit a Grand Slam.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Dunn failed again :D

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Dunn should have hit in to a double play..it would have been productive! ;)

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Dang OBP. Why can't Dunn be more of a contact hitter like Casey. :evil:

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:15 PM
Good work Wily Mo!

Dunn does a dance in front of the 2nd baseman :lol:

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:15 PM
INFIELD SINGLE!! RBI! BASES STILL LOADED! :clap:

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 09:15 PM
Cardinal baffoonery. I like it :thumbup:

flyer85
06-21-2005, 09:15 PM
nice job by Dunn

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 09:15 PM
Small ball

Untapped resource in these parts...

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:16 PM
Valentin just chased a breaking ball in the dirt, nailing Molina in the melon with his bat.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:16 PM
Can Valentin be the hero twice?

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:17 PM
I was shocked to see that Valentin has 12 walks in 77 atbats. When did this guy learn to take a walk?

Javy needs to give up switch hitting.

.798 OPS vs RHP
.436 vs LHP

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:18 PM
Marquis cant find the srike zone with a ten foot pole, I bet Valentin will still find a way to K.

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:18 PM
BB, walk in a run.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 09:18 PM
Javy gets the run back.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:18 PM
This pitcher stinks.

Val walks scoring a run

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:18 PM
Valentin Walks and the Reds lead 7-4.

And the Reds announcers are beyond annoying tonight.

Newport Red
06-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Walk in a run. Does that qualify as small ball.

flyer85
06-21-2005, 09:19 PM
bad offense is killing us again tonight. Taking a BB with the bases loaded, what the heck is that crap.

Raisor
06-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Valentin Walks and the Reds lead 7-4.

And the Reds announcers are beyond annoying tonight.


It's gotten to the point with me that Grande and Welsh sound just like the adults in the Peanuts cartoons.

wahwahwahwahwahwahwah

CTA513
06-21-2005, 09:20 PM
But would larue have hit the 3-run home run that gave the Reds the lead?

Im not arguing about the 3 run homerun.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:20 PM
I would like nothing more than for Marquis ERA to creep up higher than Claussens. It is all very possible with the bases loaded, 1 out, and all the runners belonging to him.

Thompson in to pitch to Claussen. Cmon Brandon.

wheels
06-21-2005, 09:20 PM
Yeah, walks have no effect on the starting pitcher.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:20 PM
Marquis going all Tomko. I know the Cardinals are great for the long haul--respectable starters, great bullpen, et al. But I still think they REALLY need to think through their postseason rotation: Morris won't keep up his pace; Carpenter's an injury risk; Marquis is lame; Suppan is revert to norms; Mulder has been a bust, relatively speaking. They are ripe for the pickings past Carpenter--he's been their only exceptional starter.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:21 PM
It's gotten to the point with me that Grande and Welsh sound just like the adults in the Peanuts cartoons.

wahwahwahwahwahwahwah

They sound more like a chainsaw to me.

BTW, go check out Jonny Gomes (TB). Tell me what you think. :D

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:22 PM
Safe! Wooooo!

TC81190
06-21-2005, 09:22 PM
3 RUN DOUBLE!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

CTA513
06-21-2005, 09:22 PM
lol Sanders wishes he was Griffey on that dive.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:22 PM
FELIPE!!!!!!!

Sanders can't keep the ball in the glove on the dive and all three Runs score!!!

10-4

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 09:23 PM
The comeback of the year in the NL central is on ;)


Lopez is special!

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 09:23 PM
Reds lead 10-4

And sorry Cards fans, Danny Graves is in New York tonight :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:23 PM
It will be a crime if Lopez doesn't make the All-Star team.

FlyingPig
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
There is no way Felipe Lopez is not going to the All-Star game..

....and we were worried about shortstop back in March?


:beerme:

Caveat Emperor
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
FELIPE!!!!!!!

Sanders can't keep the ball in the glove on the dive and all three Runs score!!!

10-4

Felipe Lopez: living proof that no matter how dark the night gets, there are always some stars to light the way.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
Aurilia swinging at pitches no where close to strikes, then grounds out. 10-4 Reds

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
I know this will come across wrong round these parts, but Felipe Lopez is the Reds MVP for the first half of this season--and it isn't close.

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 09:25 PM
Im not arguing about the 3 run homerun.

The point is Javy has more than made up the defensive miscue today.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 09:25 PM
Felipe's playing well in front of the NL All-Star team manager. Can't hurt his cause.

corkedbat
06-21-2005, 09:25 PM
I know this will come across wrong round these parts, but Felipe Lopez is the Reds MVP for the first half of this season--and it isn't close.

I'm not arguing

Newport Red
06-21-2005, 09:25 PM
Is there a rational given for batting Aurilia second in the lineup?
His on base percentage is pedestrian and he is slower than evolution.
If Narron wants to play small ball, Aurilia is a poor choice.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:26 PM
How many runs will the Reds score tonight?

Will it be enough for Claussen to go six innings?

Newport Red
06-21-2005, 09:26 PM
I know this will come across wrong round these parts, but Felipe Lopez is the Reds MVP for the first half of this season--and it isn't close.

Not on the south side of the river.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:26 PM
Is there a rational given for batting Aurilia second in the lineup?
His on base percentage is pedestrian and he is slower than evolution.
If Narron wants to play small ball, Aurilia is a poor choice.

I'm sure it's some bullhockey about getting him going with protection :bang:

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 09:26 PM
Aurilia swinging at pitches no where close to strikes, then grounds out. 10-4 Reds

RA has been swinging a hot bat of late, and he has a triple today. :cool:

Joseph
06-21-2005, 09:28 PM
I know this will come across wrong round these parts, but Felipe Lopez is the Reds MVP for the first half of this season--and it isn't close.

Amen

westofyou
06-21-2005, 09:28 PM
Don Newcombe

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 09:28 PM
BTW, go check out Jonny Gomes (TB). Tell me what you think. :D

Sub-par fielder, below average base runner with a BA driven OBP.

Of course, that's just first impressions. :)

EDIT: Just your basic :doh:

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 09:29 PM
I would take Claussen out, he has no command tonight which means he has no placement.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:29 PM
Through 3:
St. Louis 4 3 1
Cincinnati 10 8 1


Who says that walks aren't important?

CTA513
06-21-2005, 09:29 PM
This is insane, he has a 6 run lead and he cant throw strikes.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:30 PM
Yeah, Claussen's missing so badly, you've got to wonder if he's hurt. This isn't nibbling, he's missing by feet (plural).

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 09:30 PM
Yeah, Claussen's missing so badly, you've got to wonder if he's hurt. This isn't nibbling, he's missing by feet (plural).

I still blame Don Gullett ;)

realreds1
06-21-2005, 09:31 PM
mildly OT: Mets lead Phils, 6-3 going into the bottom of 4 in Philly. Gravy time tonight?

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:32 PM
Sub-par fielder, below average fielder with a BA driven OBP.

Of course, that's just first impressions. :)

So he's both a sub-par fielder and a below average fielder?

How's that work? ;) (And I agree with ya')

But he's not a BA-driven OBP guy. Check out his minor league numbers:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/jonny_gomes.shtml

corkedbat
06-21-2005, 09:32 PM
man the cards are conceding this one. they not only pitched the batboy, they let him hit for himself. :dancingco

Newport Red
06-21-2005, 09:33 PM
FWIW, Stewart is calling a great game.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:33 PM
Sub-par fielder, below average fielder with a BA driven OBP.

Of course, that's just first impressions. :)

Between Tampa and Durham, Gomes has 37 walks in 204 atbats, or 1 walk every 5.5 atbats. That is super. Gomes is a stud and I wouldn't mind the Reds trading for him and moving Dunn to 1st.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:33 PM
man the cards are conceding this one. they not only pitched the batboy, they let him hit for himself. :dancingco

Larussa has some serious faith in his offense and bullpen, as he should.

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 09:34 PM
Claussen is horrible tonight but the Cards let him survive :confused:

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Between Tampa and Durham, Gomes has 37 walks in 204 atbats, or 1 walk every 5.5 atbats. That is super. Gomes is a stud and I wouldn't mind the Reds trading for him and moving Dunn to 1st.

What about Kearns?

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Between Tampa and Durham, Gomes has 37 walks in 204 atbats, or 1 walk every 5.5 atbats. That is super. Gomes is a stud and I wouldn't mind the Reds trading for him and moving Dunn to 1st.

Yepper. He's a mini-Dunn.

Ironically, Gomes is hitting 6th for the D-Rays tonight. I just found that funny.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Claussen is horrible tonight but the Cards let him survive :confused:

They want him in for the heart of their order next inning.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:35 PM
What about Kearns?

You got to figure he's gonzo.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:36 PM
What about Kearns?

My dream...Reds deal Casey and Griffey. ;)

lf Gomes
cf Pena
rf Kearns
1b Dunn

Too bad it won't happen.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:40 PM
How do you get Gomez? I suspect Griff and Casey go for pitching, in an amazing youth movement. Randa will probably also go, man is he helping the Reds with his trade value right now. So who goes to TB?

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 09:40 PM
So he's both a sub-par fielder and a below average fielder?

How's that work? ;) (And I agree with ya')

But he's not a BA-driven OBP guy. Check out his minor league numbers:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/jonny_gomes.shtml

Yea', I edited that after I read it. A big fat DUH on my part. :)
I checked his numbers briefly but mostly relied on his '05 numbers when making the BA-OBP statement. I'm not even sure thats correct. ;)

I spent too much time today running the numbers, by hand I might add, regarding the BP during Hume's tenure. So I'm burned out and playing the fan tonight. Just overlook me. ;)

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:41 PM
Claussen with a first pitch strike! Then a ball a foot outside.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:42 PM
How do you get Gomez? I suspect Griff and Casey go for pitching, in an amazing youth movement. Randa will probably also go, man is he helping the Reds with his trade value right now. So who goes to TB?

Tampa is not the smartest organization out there. This is the same team that recalled Reggie Taylor over Gomes. It may just be me, but it seems Tampa isn't all that high on Gomes.

Tampa loves speedy, no hit players(Bergolla? and another prospect or two).

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:44 PM
Thank you Laverne.

Another inning for Claussen?

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:45 PM
Claussen tonight: GB:FB - 4:11

Wow. Walking a fine line, but made it through 5. Does Narron pull him?

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 09:45 PM
I think so. Shaping up to be a half decent start especially since the runs he gave up were not the best.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:47 PM
I think so. Shaping up to be a half decent start especially since the runs he gave up were not the best.

For young starters it's results AND how well they bounce back from a rough start. If he can go six, I'll be pleased.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 09:49 PM
Pull him..before the Cards stop playing

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 09:49 PM
6 pitch inning for Thompson.

Reds Nd2
06-21-2005, 09:50 PM
Between Tampa and Durham, Gomes has 37 walks in 204 atbats, or 1 walk every 5.5 atbats. That is super. Gomes is a stud and I wouldn't mind the Reds trading for him and moving Dunn to 1st.

Doesn't anyone want to quote my edited thread? :)

Seriously, I just wanted to give Steel some friendly grief over Gomes. I wasn't trying to disparage Gomes in any way. Didn't TB look over him in favor of Reggie Taylor earlier this season? That doesn't look good on TB's part if thats true. Maybe the Reds could aquire him with little cost on the Reds part?

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Bask to back 2 out singles given up the 7 and 8 hitters. At least the bright side is Thompson is out now.

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 09:59 PM
(W)Einar Diaz grounds out.

red-in-la
06-21-2005, 10:00 PM
I wonder what Grande and Welsh are thinking....they are all over Claussen for not paying attention to a meaningless steal of 3B by Taguchi.....IMHO, I want a young pitcher concentrating on the HITTER in this situation. Taguchi stealing 3B is totoally meaningless with a 6 run lead and two outs.

Maybe the Reds need to make some changes in the booth also.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 10:00 PM
(W)Einar Diaz grounds out.

He was swinging at everything and anything, fouling off pitches off plate a good 6 inches, and when Claussen put one in the heart of the plate, he grounds out. :laugh:

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 10:01 PM
I wonder what Grande and Welsh are thinking....they are all over Claussen for not paying attention to a meaningless steal of 3B by Taguchi.....IMHO, I want a young pitcher concentrating on the HITTER in this situation. Taguchi stealing 3B is totoally meaningless with a 6 run lead and two outs.

Maybe the Reds need to make some changes in the booth also.

Bingo. It's the stretch that Harang uses that messes him up with runners on, IMO. The sooner the Reds stop worrying about steals, the better the pitchers will perform (which, admittedly, probably isn't that much better).

Aronchis
06-21-2005, 10:02 PM
The key thing was 6/7 hits were singles, no Johnsons which kept things manageable despite a ugly performance.

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 10:02 PM
Claussen's ERA after 6 innings: 4.07, Marquis after 2.1: 4.10 :KoolAid:

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 10:03 PM
(W)Einar Diaz grounds out.

The Indians fleeced John Hart.. Travis Hafner for Diaz is robbery.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 10:03 PM
Doesn't anyone want to quote my edited thread? :)

Seriously, I just wanted to give Steel some friendly grief over Gomes. I wasn't trying to disparage Gomes in any way. Didn't TB look over him in favor of Reggie Taylor earlier this season? That doesn't look good on TB's part if thats true. Maybe the Reds could aquire him with little cost on the Reds part?

He's the kind of guy who you probably could pick up for a song.

Another kid that I didn't think much of when the M's acquired him is SS Mike Morse. Looked like not much of anything and then something seemed to "click" for him last season. And so far at the MLB level, it's continued to click. He's a BA-driven guy for sure. But the M's look to send him back down when Pokey comes off the DL most likely and he's a guy I'd put in the mix at 2B should the M's be inclined to deal him for a song.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 10:05 PM
Chris and George are not a happy pair ;)

Patrick Bateman
06-21-2005, 10:06 PM
A walk is the meat in a single sandwich making it 11-4.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 10:07 PM
Announcers now saying that with the loss of Larkin, the Reds came into the year with no veteran leadership.

And a team full of veterans.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2005, 10:07 PM
Another guy I wouldn't mind the Reds going after is Jorge Cantu. Doesn't walk much, but the dude has some serious pop in the bat.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 10:07 PM
Marty just said that Peter Gammons is reporting that Jerry Narron is trying to hire former Red Sox manager Grady Little as bench coach in Cincinnati.

We'll see...

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 10:08 PM
We all know Peter Gammons is the king of inside dirt...

Falls City Beer
06-21-2005, 10:09 PM
Marty quoting Gammons. What's next?

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2005, 10:11 PM
Marty quoting Gammons. What's next?

Marty said that Gammons subscribes to the theory that if you throw enough stuff against the wall something is bound to stick.

Matt700wlw
06-21-2005, 10:11 PM
Marty said that Gammons subscribes to the theory that if you throw enough stuff against the wall something is bound to stick.

So true. so true.

KronoRed
06-21-2005, 10:11 PM
Marty quoting Gammons. What's next?
Jimbo coming back :devil:

smith288
06-21-2005, 10:12 PM
Marty said that Gammons subscribes to the theory that if you throw enough stuff against the wall something is bound to stick. Yea...Marty was hardly praising Gammons as a beacon of knowledge.

SteelSD
06-21-2005, 10:12 PM
Another guy I wouldn't mind the Reds going after is Jorge Cantu. Doesn't walk much, but the dude has some serious pop in the bat.

Yeah. That's very true but I doubt the D-Rays would be willing to move him. Wouldn't hurt to ask of course but I have a feeling that he'd cost too much.

LINEDRIVER
06-21-2005, 10:12 PM
What was said in today's press conference in regard to a new bench coach to replace Narron?

DoogMinAmo
06-21-2005, 10:15 PM
Casey, Griff and Randa back to back to back nothing. 11-4 headed to the 7th.