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Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 08:25 PM
Lineup AB R H RBI
F. Lopez SS 0 0 0 0
R. Aurilia 2B 0 0 0 0
S. Casey 1B 0 0 0 0
J. Randa 3B 0 0 0 0
W. Pena RF 0 0 0 0
A. Dunn LF 0 0 0 0
J. LaRue C 0 0 0 0
J. Romano CF 0 0 0 0
B. Claussen P 0 0 0 0



Lineup AB R H RBI
D. Eckstein SS 0 0 0 0
J. Edmonds CF 0 0 0 0
A. Pujols 1B 0 0 0 0
R. Sanders LF 0 0 0 0
S. Rolen 3B 0 0 0 0
M. Grudzielanek 2B 0 0 0 0
S. Taguchi RF 0 0 0 0
Y. Molina C 0 0 0 0
M. Mulder P 0 0 0 0

guttle11
06-28-2005, 08:31 PM
I said it on RedsLive, and ill say it again... batting Dunn 6th is a misdemeanor, but batting Randa 4th is a felony

Jerry Jerry Jerry :bang:

SirFelixCat
06-28-2005, 08:34 PM
:cry:

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 08:35 PM
Only person in the right spot is Romano

top6
06-28-2005, 08:44 PM
Only person in the right spot is RomanoI disagree. The right spot for Romano is somewhere far away from a major league roster.

CrackerJack
06-28-2005, 08:51 PM
Hmm, strangely enough OB's prized FA's seem to consistently be put in spots with protection and where they have the most chance to succeed.

I can't imagine why that is?

RedsBaron
06-28-2005, 08:53 PM
I said it on RedsLive, and ill say it again... batting Dunn 6th is a misdemeanor, but batting Randa 4th is a felony

Jerry Jerry Jerry :bang:
Managers have changed, but the stupid lineups have not. What else hasn't changed? The general manager. I wonder if the lineups and who the GM is could be related?

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 08:55 PM
Managers have changed, but the stupid lineups have not. What else hasn't changed? The general manager. I wonder if the lineups and who the GM is could be related?
I think you're on to something ;)

deltachi8
06-28-2005, 08:58 PM
Managers have changed, but the stupid lineups have not. What else hasn't changed? The general manager. I wonder if the lineups and who the GM is could be related?

Dave Miley, there you are!

Marc D
06-28-2005, 09:03 PM
The level of ignorance it takes to put a lineup like that together is staggering.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 09:05 PM
ROmano has great speed, is a pretty good defender, and plays multiple postions (including MI). He has pretty good hitting numbers in the minors and has some power. He does not seem to be able to take a walk, which has prevented him from advancing further.

All in all he's not he worst 25th man in the league. But he needs to used that way.

creek14
06-28-2005, 09:06 PM
I do have to say that I'm digging Chris's 50's inspired FSN shirt tonight.

(I decided to say something positive and after seeing the line up that's the best I can do)

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:06 PM
Chris just mentioned OPS again

I'm gonna faint

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 09:08 PM
Dang, I've got the Reds feed tonight, which begs the question.

What inning will Grande first show his man love for Edmonds?

Marc D
06-28-2005, 09:10 PM
Dang, I've got the Reds feed tonight, which begs the question.

What inning will Grande first show his man love for Edmonds?

You think he'll wait till the game starts?

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 09:11 PM
You think he'll wait till the game starts?

Well, I just brought the game up, so I may have missed it. :laugh:

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:12 PM
Lopez singles.

LvJ
06-28-2005, 09:14 PM
Thanks for suiting up, Rich.

corkedbat
06-28-2005, 09:15 PM
Grande with his early effusive man-love for Edmonds. :censored:

Marc D
06-28-2005, 09:15 PM
I didn't think scrappy vets who know how to win, struck out.

Marc D
06-28-2005, 09:16 PM
Grande with his early effusive man-love for Edmonds. :censored:

It's why I am not watching the $150 whatever price I paid for MLB extra innings tonight. I cannot stand Grande and Welsh anymore, they are literally unbearable.

corkedbat
06-28-2005, 09:17 PM
Grudzawhatshisname still had a shot at Casey even after that fancy dribblin' exhibition but didn't throw.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:19 PM
Randa single scores Lopez.

1-0 Reds as Mulder's struggles continue.

GAC
06-28-2005, 09:20 PM
anyone want to chat?

Raisor
06-28-2005, 09:20 PM
It's why I am not watching the $150 whatever price I paid for MLB extra innings tonight. I cannot stand Grande and Welsh anymore, they are literally unbearable.

I've got the Cards guys tonight.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:20 PM
Wow was THAT a horrible strike call on Pena. Yowzers.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 09:21 PM
Is it me or does it seem that Pena has no clue at the plate of late? He Ks looking with runners on 1st and 2nd and now 2 outs.

WMR
06-28-2005, 09:22 PM
That called third strike on WMP was CRIMINALLY BAD

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Is it me or does it seem that Pena has no clue at the plate of late? He Ks looking with runners on 1st and 2nd and now 2 outs.

Pena needs to work on his pitch recognition, but that third "strike" wasn't something anyone could have hit. Not Pujols. No one. That was so far outside that it didn't even break across the corner.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Dunn is going to hit one against Muldar, Karnack told me.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Dunn comes a few feet from hitting a three run jack.

1-0 Reds.

CTA513
06-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Claussen better get that low strike zone.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 09:23 PM
Pena needs to work on his pitch recognition, but that third "strike" wasn't something anyone could have hit. Not Pujols. No one. That was so far outside that it didn't even break across the corner.

Oddly enough, Gameday had that pitch on the low inside corner. Go figure.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 09:24 PM
Wow was THAT a horrible strike call on Pena. Yowzers.

Looked low to me...

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:25 PM
George is giddy as a little schoolgirl.... :D

WMR
06-28-2005, 09:25 PM
Dunn almost went deep and it looked like he hardly made contact

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:27 PM
That second pitch to Pujols was better than the one Peņa was called out on.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:27 PM
Looked low to me...

It was up, it was down, it was everywhere but the strike zone.

And now Claussen's been squeezed on a couple pitches to both Edmonds and Pujols.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 09:28 PM
It was up, it was down, it was everywhere but the strike zone.

And now Claussen's been squeezed on a couple pitches to both Edmonds and Pujols.

That's the difference between being in first and last place in the division.

WMR
06-28-2005, 09:29 PM
If WMP is supposed to be a centerfielder, and I hear that he plays better and is more comfortable in that role (sees the ball better etc. etc.) then why isn't he put in CF in situations like this while relegating Romano to RF???

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:30 PM
If not for Pena king Dunn has a SAC FLY

Just sayin

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 09:32 PM
If not for Pena king Dunn has a SAC FLY

Just sayin

Pena would have had to walk (or double) for Dunn to have the SF. A walk for Pena is long odds.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Well that lead didn't last long...

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Ok, Brandon...here's the thing...

You can't groove belt-high 86 MPH fastballs to MLB hitters. It just won't work. Thanks much.

Steel

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Forget Walker, forget Rolen, give me Sanders anyday of the week. The guy is putting up monster numbers.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 09:33 PM
then why isn't he put in CF in situations like this while relegating Romano to RF???

Beacause he ain't really a centerfielder.

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:33 PM
Pena would have had to walk (or double) for Dunn to have the SF. A walk for Pena is long odds.

But..the potential was there, it was a "potential productive out" ;)

RedFanAlways1966
06-28-2005, 09:33 PM
REDS pitching while Jerry Narron has been manager (5G) coming into tonight...

* Starters
> 27.1 IP, 32H, 20ER, 14K, 14BB, 6.59 ERA, 1.68 WHIP.
* Bullpen
> 15.2 IP, 24H, 9ER, 24K, 18BB, 5.17 ERA, 2.68 WHIP.
* TOTAL
> 43.0 IP, 56H, 29ER, 38K, 32BB, 6.02 ERA, 2.05 WHIP.

CTA513
06-28-2005, 09:35 PM
Next time Claussen should think about walking Sanders to get to Rolen.
Rolen is 1-19 against the Reds this season.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:39 PM
Reggie is 13 homeruns away from 300 for his career.

red-in-la
06-28-2005, 09:40 PM
ANY pitcher (or catcher who calls it) that does NOT throw Reggie high fastballs is just out of touch. Reggie has a hole as big as a truck in his swing.....it is anything above the top of the belt buckle......Claussen and LaRue should be shown some video of Reggie's career.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:40 PM
Rafael Palmeiro is 11 hits away from 3,000. Why isn't this getting much publicity?

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 09:41 PM
Alternative programming note:

Maria Sharapova playing someone else on ESPN 2

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Wow. Larussa sends Molina and he gets nailed at 2nd by a cannon shot by Larue.

Mulder leads off next Inning now. Thanks, Tony. Much appreciated!

CTA513
06-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Molina thrown out stealing 2nd. Now Mulder will have to lead off the 3rd.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Rafael Palmeiro is 11 hits away from 3,000. Why isn't this getting much publicity?

He can't get it up?

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 09:47 PM
That was a sweet mistake on somebodies part.

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Rafael Palmeiro is 11 hits away from 3,000. Why isn't this getting much publicity?
Good question

If he was a yank it would.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:48 PM
Chris's Revisionist History 101:

The Cardinals up-the-middle defense of C Yadier Molina, 2B Mark Grudzelanek, SS David Eckstein, and CF Jim Brown (er, Edmonds) is better than last year's quartet of C Mike Matheny, 2B Tony Womack, SS Edgar Renteria, and Edmonds.

Grande and Welsh's suck-upitude knows no bounds.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:48 PM
After Rolen, the Cards offense is abominable.

Grudz isn't horrible, but Taguchi and Molina are pretty bad.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 09:50 PM
Rafael Palmeiro is 11 hits away from 3,000. Why isn't this getting much publicity?

The latin Jake Beckley he is.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
And Aurilia hits into a DP. Ugh.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
George is giddy as a little schoolgirl.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
I loathe Aurilia.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
RA has the speed of Casey in 1999

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
the mere fact that RA is batting 2nd shows Narron is every bit as clueless as Miley was

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:51 PM
Aurilia saves Casey

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:52 PM
RA has the speed of Casey in 1999that is not hyperbole

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:53 PM
the mere fact that RA is batting 2nd shows Narron is every bit as clueless as Miley was
I think it shows that he's just playing the people the FO says to play.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:53 PM
no speed and poor lineup construction. Gotta love it

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Casey and the baby grand he is toting on his back coast into third on the double by Randa.

traderumor
06-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Hey, Aurilia in the two hole is really paying dividends. Two singles and a double and no runs yet. :angry:

westofyou
06-28-2005, 09:54 PM
Managers manage mostly in the style that they played, and the lineup construction by two former catchers in the astroturf era is always going to look similar IMO.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:54 PM
I think it shows that he's just playing the people the FO says to play.doesn't have to bat the no speed sub .300 OBP guy second in the order

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:55 PM
didn't WMP whiff every time last game against Mulder?

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:55 PM
OK Wily Mo, that one was a strike.

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 09:56 PM
didn't WMP whiff every time last game against Mulder?
Yeah but he's a righty so he bats in front of Dunn

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 09:56 PM
Honestly, would it kill this team to platoon Kearns and Pena? It's not like winning is or has been the object of this team. Someone needs to be spelled in a slump as bad as Pena's.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 09:56 PM
doesn't have to bat the no speed sub .300 OBP guy second in the order

Especially with a no-speed, no-power, high-contact guy in the #3 spot.

CrackerJack
06-28-2005, 09:57 PM
doesn't have to bat the no speed sub .300 OBP guy second in the order

Nope he doesn't, but I'm betting they have meetings with OB to discuss things just like that, and thus it happens.

LvJ
06-28-2005, 09:57 PM
Pena 0-5, 5 K's vs. Mulder in two games.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 09:58 PM
Yeah. That one was on Wily Mo. No bend in that one. He's struggling big time right now.

RedFanAlways1966
06-28-2005, 09:58 PM
* The REDS have a 6-5 record in the 11 games started by Claussen.
* The REDS have scored 57 runs in those 11 games (5.18/G).
* The REDS have scored 10 or more runs 3 times when Claussen started.
> Take away those 3 games... the REDS avg. 3.18 runs/game for Claussen.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 09:59 PM
so if the players are going to get called out for not making defensive plays will anybody call out the manager for his crappy lineup.

LINEDRIVER
06-28-2005, 10:01 PM
Yeah. That one was on Wily Mo. No bend in that one. He's struggling big time right now.

WMP = 9 K's in his last 17 AB's

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 10:02 PM
I'm calling out the GM on the line up.

"Jerry? this is Dan, listen here's what I want to see from the lineup, Casey Aurilia and Randa need to be up near the top, need them to get protection, make sure you have Dunn in the 6 or 7 spot, want to keep his numbers down in case he takes us to arbitration, oh and see if you can get Romano in the game..thanks Jerry..see ya at lunch tomorrow"

Krono Conspiracy One ;)

traderumor
06-28-2005, 10:02 PM
Grande and Welsh, waxing eloquent on why Tony LaRussa can get away with dumb moves like running his catcher with two outs and the pitcher up but get bailed out by Pujols, Edmonds, and Rolen. So, if you're a dumb manager, make sure you have the horses. I learn a lot from those two.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:02 PM
WMP = 9 K's in his last 17 AB'sit's not as much that as WMP is helpless against Mulder last game and nothing has changed this time around.

In addition almost any runner except for Casey and RA would have scored on the Randa double

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:03 PM
George is gnashing his teeth at Jim Brown's foul popup....

Did George just call Pujols, "Sir Albert"?

FlyingPig
06-28-2005, 10:04 PM
So..is everyone still high on WMP?


...meanwhile Kearns is "playing out his problems" in AAA....




:rolleyes:

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:05 PM
at least if you going to bat a low OBP guy at the top he should have great speed. Instead we bat the a low OBP guy with zero speed in the #2 hole

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:05 PM
So..is everyone still high on WMP?


...meanwhile Kearns is "playing out his problems" in AAA....




:rolleyes:

I'm still high on Peņa! :thumbup:

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 10:05 PM
So..is everyone still high on WMP?


...meanwhile Kearns is "playing out his problems" in AAA....




:rolleyes:

I still like him, he's not the savior though :devil:

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:07 PM
So..is everyone still high on WMP?


...meanwhile Kearns is "playing out his problems" in AAA....




:rolleyes:I am not giving up on WMP. I just realize what he is. AN extremely streaky low OBP high power guy. When he is slumping he is essentially worthless because he is not going to get on base

FlyingPig
06-28-2005, 10:08 PM
I am not giving up on WMP. I just realize what he is. AN extremely streaky low OBP high power guy. When he is slumping he is essentially worthless because he is not going to get on base


Would you choose that over Austin Kearns?

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 10:09 PM
I'm still high on Peņa! :thumbup:

Dumb question, but how do you put the accent over the n in Pena's name?

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:10 PM
Would you choose that over Austin Kearns?not when he is slumping. WMP is getting by on an extremely hot start

Aronchis
06-28-2005, 10:11 PM
Would you choose that over Austin Kearns?

Why choose when you can have both. Let Casey go son.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 10:12 PM
Why choose when you can have both. Let Casey go son.

Fresh meat gets a better barter price.

Never pay high salary for BA driven players, sell him now is what I'd do.

FlyingPig
06-28-2005, 10:13 PM
Why choose when you can have both. Let Casey go son.

I just don't see why they need both...I'm afraid the opportunity to trade WMP for value might have passed them by...

Unassisted
06-28-2005, 10:13 PM
...meanwhile Kearns is "playing out his problems" in AAA....
:rolleyes:Kearns needs to get his head on straight and get the lard off of his... um, body if he wants to be a major leaguer.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:13 PM
Dumb question, but how do you put the accent over the n in Pena's name?

Not a dumb question at all!

Hold down the [ALT] key, and type 164 on the keypad, then release the [ALT] key. If you want a capital "Ņ", type 165 instead.

KronoRed
06-28-2005, 10:14 PM
Peņa

Sweet..thanks Klu :D

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 10:15 PM
I just don't see why they need both...I'm afraid the opportunity to trade WMP for value might have passed them by...

It's certainly a possibility and they've done themselves no favors in the Kearns' trade value department by sending him to AAA and allowing him to be painted as a malcontent.

So instead of two birds in the hand, they've left 'em both in the bush...or something like that.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:15 PM
Ņo prob! :thumbup:

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:19 PM
George rambling like Charlie Brown's teacher...

"Wah-wah, wah-wah-wah wah..."

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:22 PM
I just don't see why they need both...I'm afraid the opportunity to trade WMP for value might have passed them by...

Teams would line up for a .900 OPS guy who's age and experience suggest he should probably be in the minors. He has more power potential than probably anyone in the majors. A slow period (still .700 OPS) doesn't change that at all.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 10:22 PM
Not a dumb question at all!

Hold down the [ALT] key, and type 164 on the keypad, then release the [ALT] key. If you want a capital "Ņ", type 165 instead.

Thaņks Klu. I had a list showing those things once, but it's no more. 'Preciate the info.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:24 PM
hack-o-matic swinging at everything. I'd rather see Olmedo

RedFanAlways1966
06-28-2005, 10:24 PM
Wily Mo Pena... Austin Kearns sent down before the June 12 game vs. Orioles.

Before Kearns was sent down:
> 66 AB, 21 H, 8 HR, 17 RBI, .318 BA.
After Kearns was sent down:
> 66 AB, 10 H, 1 HR, 5 RBI, .208 BA.

Since Kearns was sent down these have dropped:
OBP: from .343 to .314
SLG: from .806 to .596
OPS: from 1.149 to .910

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 10:25 PM
Teams would line up for a .900 OPS guy who's age and experience suggest he should probably be in the minors. He has more power potential than probably anyone in the majors. A slow period (still .700 OPS) doesn't change that at all.

His OBP since returning from the DL is .282. That's Castro country.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:27 PM
His OBP since returning from the DL is .282. That's Castro country.

If Pena did that for a full season I'd be concerned. All players slump. His .900 OPS suggests that he'll come around.

He's not the first batter who has slumped comomg off the DL.

For the record, even "studs" like Reggie Sanders can be a little off at times. His OBA was .273 in April, and .326 in May. If it wasn't for a hot June. even Sanders would be struggling to get an OBA over .300 (over 2 months yet).

westofyou
06-28-2005, 10:29 PM
Teams would line up for a .900 OPS guy who's age and experience suggest he should probably be in the minors. He has more power potential than probably anyone in the majors. A slow period (still .700 OPS) doesn't change that at all.

It's all slugging, driven by batting average, from a guy who has never hit above .270 in a year.

That's building a house on a foundation of sand.

Then there is the defense part of the equation.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:30 PM
George, shut up about the Cardinals already!

And who is "Cheo"? I can never remember anyone ever calling Oquendo that in a broadcast during his playing days--NEVER!

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:31 PM
If Pena did that for a full season I'd be concerned. All players slump. His .900 OPS suggests that he'll come around.

He's not the first batter who has slumped comomg off the DL.his start was a small sample size. I would expect a mid 800 OPS

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 10:31 PM
It's all slugging, driven by batting average, from a guy who has never hit above .270 in a year.

That's building a house on a foundation of sand.

Then there is the defense part of the equation.

People dig the tape measure shots. Blinds them to the objective truth of a player's flaws.

corkedbat
06-28-2005, 10:33 PM
This is the Claussen we've been looking for

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 10:33 PM
In other news, Claussen bounces back nicely from the dinger to Laverne. So far.

CTA513
06-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Reds need to score some runs so Claussens good start doesnt go to waste.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:36 PM
his start was a small sample size. I would expect a mid 800 OPS

So is his slump. That's why you average them out.

An mid .800 OPS for a player his age is pretty good. And he has shown the ability to improve.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:36 PM
will WMP put one in play?

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 10:38 PM
Pitch counts at the end of 5 (both have 5 SO):

Mulder 80-52
Claussen 80-51

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:38 PM
Base hit up the middle for Peņa!

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 10:39 PM
Dunn hitting with RISP....


....and advances runner to third

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:39 PM
Mulder hung one. Nice job by WMP

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:40 PM
is that a productive out?

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 10:40 PM
is that a productive out?

I would say so...

corkedbat
06-28-2005, 10:40 PM
This is the Claussen we've been looking for

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:41 PM
what is Larue doing?

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 10:41 PM
That wasn't very productive...

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:41 PM
good thing Mulder didn't have to throw a pitch higher than Larues ankles

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:43 PM
This is the Claussen we've been looking for

It's pretty much the Claussen we've had all year.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:44 PM
At least Larue stung the ball pretty hard, better than the usual Casey (or Aurilla) DP. Same result, but a bit of bad luck.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 10:45 PM
It's pretty much the Claussen we've had all year.

His control seems to be getting better...early on, he had to throw too many pitches

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 10:46 PM
At least Larue stung the ball pretty hard, better than the usual Casey (or Aurilla) DP. Same result, but a bit of bad luck.

When you swing at the pitch Larue did, you're creating your own bad luck.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:46 PM
At least Larue stung the ball pretty hard, better than the usual Casey (or Aurilla) DP. Same result, but a bit of bad luck.no bad luck. neither pitch Larue swung at was a strike, they were low. There was no way he was going to get the ball in the air. So he hit it hard, just made for an easy DP.

FlyingPig
06-28-2005, 10:46 PM
At least Larue stung the ball pretty hard, better than the usual Casey (or Aurilla) DP. Same result, but a bit of bad luck.


Doesn't hitting a ground ball HARD make it easier to turn the DP?

:confused:

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 10:46 PM
Claussen--shades of Pete Schourek circa 1995. Throwing any pitch in any count.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 10:49 PM
John Hirschbeck must have a hot date tonight. It seems he's ringing up alot of batters tonight.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Doesn't hitting a ground ball HARD make it easier to turn the DP?

:confused:

Actually no.

The harder a ground ball is hit, the more likely it will not be fielded. Now, if it's hit right at someome, yes, it's easier to turn. But, you're better off in the long run hitting hard hit grounders then softly hit grounders.

Almost all of Casey's DPs are on softly hit grounders to second. When he hits it hard, it usually finds a hole.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:51 PM
I got a feeling that Romano is going to get a rally started! :thumbup:

Aronchis
06-28-2005, 10:51 PM
Claussen is lucky Reggie hasn't KO'd him 2 more times tonight throwing that high BS. Whew. Down and away, down and away, especially when you have 2 strikes against him.

CTA513
06-28-2005, 10:52 PM
His control seems to be getting better...early on, he had to throw too many pitches

Hes starting to get a head of hitters, but he also goes back to his old form by getting behind hitters.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:53 PM
Hes starting to get a head of hitters, but he also goes back to his old form by getting behind hitters.

Well, that pretty much covers it.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 10:53 PM
I got a feeling that Romano is going to get a rally started! :thumbup:

There going to PH for Claussen. "Easy E" on deck.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:53 PM
Ulp....never mind.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 10:53 PM
Claussen has thrown 92 pitches; why is he pulling him?

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Claussen has thrown 92 pitches; why is he pulling him?because they are losing

Aronchis
06-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Now that is anti-Miley there, with 92 pitches, Claussen at least could have gone another inning or a part of one!

BoydsOfSummer
06-28-2005, 10:55 PM
I wish Pena had his eye.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:55 PM
maybe RA can give us a DP after a Lopez hit

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:55 PM
Claussen has thrown 92 pitches; why is he pulling him?

They need more offense with a pinch-hitter.

Encarnacion walks!

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 10:55 PM
E Encarnacion draws the walk!

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 10:55 PM
EdE flashing some OBP. 5 pitch walk, Mulder over 100, anyone else think this is the inning?

FlyingPig
06-28-2005, 10:56 PM
Actually no.

The harder a ground ball is hit, the more likely it will not be fielded. Now, if it's hit right at someome, yes, it's easier to turn. But, you're better off in the long run hitting hard hit grounders then softly hit grounders.

Almost all of Casey's DPs are on softly hit grounders to second. When he hits it hard, it usually finds a hole.

I gotta hand it to you, Puffy...that was an excellent comeback...


:beerme:

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:56 PM
a better question might be why is Larussa pulling Mulder

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 10:57 PM
Now that is anti-Miley there, with 92 pitches, Claussen at least could have gone another inning or a part of one!

Anti-Miley is a good thing. Getting another batter or 2 from Claussen at the expense of trying to score before Mulder is out of the game is a bad move.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 10:57 PM
What kind of speed does Edwin have? (No, I don't want to steal! I'm just wondering...)

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:57 PM
I gotta hand it to you, Puffy...that was an excellent comeback...


:beerme:I guess those pigs hang together. Here's to wallowing in the mud. :beerme:

flyer85
06-28-2005, 10:58 PM
What kind of speed does Edwin have? (No, I don't want to steal! I'm just wondering...)he runs very well

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
RA with an opportunity to both play hero and drive up his trade value.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
Wow! That is a bad arm by Eckstein! Throws a three-hopper to first, which Rich Aurilia (yes, sports fans! Rich Aurilia!) beats for an infield single!

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
will he go to king?

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
Claussen is lucky Reggie hasn't KO'd him 2 more times tonight throwing that high BS. Whew. Down and away, down and away, especially when you have 2 strikes against him.

Reggie's got a weakness for high stuff like I got a weakness for brunettes. Just don't throw 'em belt-high.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
Pete Gray had a better arm than Eckstein

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:03 PM
he runs very well

Before this season, 57 SB vs. 14 CS, for a SB% of 80%.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:03 PM
Pete Gray had a better arm than Eckstein

Would that be his right arm? :evil:

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:03 PM
So here is the funny part about baseball. If Felo had grounded out with EdE going to second, then scoring on Aurilia's single, the run goes to Mulder. If Felo scores now, the run goes to Thompson, even though he was only safe because of the FC.

BoydsOfSummer
06-28-2005, 11:04 PM
Started watching that movie about Pete gray the other night. The one with Carradine and Weaver;came out about 1986. fell asleep ten minutes in though.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 11:04 PM
Started watching that movie about Pete gray the other night. The one with Carradine and Weaver;came out about 1986. fell asleep ten minutes in though.

Kung Fu's brother Keith was Pete...

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Question of the game: how clutch is Casey?

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:05 PM
nice job RA

Nice scrappy veteran small ball play the game the right way kind of a move

Kc61
06-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Not to defend RA, but wasn't he safe by a mile?

westofyou
06-28-2005, 11:05 PM
He got him he got him... so glad I don't have the Cincinnati feed.

RA is an outmaker tonight.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:06 PM
Un-freakin-believable.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:06 PM
Not to defend RA, but wasn't he safe by a mile?where was he going?

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:06 PM
Not to defend RA, but wasn't he safe by a mile?

He had to be.

BoydsOfSummer
06-28-2005, 11:06 PM
Yes Rich,you are that cumbersome on the basepaths.

top6
06-28-2005, 11:07 PM
Good God this is a frustrating team to follow.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:07 PM
...and Kearns is at AAA. While nightly we deal with this crap-steak.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:07 PM
I wonder if we are going to hear never ending crying like the defensive plays on Sunday

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:07 PM
Oh yeah! Safe, safe, safe!

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:08 PM
On a side note, Jason Maxiell was just drafted in the first round, #26 by the Pistons.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:08 PM
On a side note, Jason Maxiell was just drafted in the first round, #26 by the Pistons.

Congrats to Mad Max! :thumbup:

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:08 PM
Not to defend RA, but wasn't he safe by a mile?

Replay shows Aurilia was safe.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:08 PM
where was RA going. Casey doesn't get XBHs, the base in front of him was occupied. Why get that far off?

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:09 PM
On a side note:

Rich was safe...

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:09 PM
On a side note, Jason Maxiell was just drafted in the first round, #26 by the Pistons.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I was so hoping he'd get drafted in the first. He's such a hard worker and it's paid off.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:09 PM
He was easily safe, but he ump may have been blocked out, so I guess he called him out just to piss us off.

CTA513
06-28-2005, 11:10 PM
They have to deal with the low strikes and now you get called out when your safe.

Boo!

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:10 PM
Honestly this team missed its chance against Mulder. The Cards bullpen usually means the game's over.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:11 PM
where were you going Rich?

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:11 PM
The bright side, Belisle is bringing it, and the heart of the order is up.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:12 PM
8th inning. Last call. The door shuts in the 9th.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:12 PM
He was easily safe, but he ump may have been blocked out, so I guess he called him out just to piss us off.

It worked.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:12 PM
where was RA going. Casey doesn't get XBHs, the base in front of him was occupied. Why get that far off?

He wasn't going anywhere, but with the king of GIDP at bat, maybe he was cheating toward 2B a little. Molina just made a great snap throw and Aurilia was robbed. I hate to say it, but that wasn't Rich's fault.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:12 PM
If Casey gets on, I think you have to pinch-run with Olmedo.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:14 PM
He wasn't going anywhere, but with the king of GIDP at bat, maybe he was cheating toward 2B a little. Molina just made a great snap throw and Aurilia was robbed. I hate to say it, but that wasn't Rich's fault.

Plus, Pujols was playing well behind 1B.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:14 PM
He wasn't going anywhere, but with the king of GIDP at bat, maybe he was cheating toward 2B a little. Molina just made a great snap throw and Aurilia was robbed. I hate to say it, but that wasn't Rich's fault.with 2 outs. Rich had no where to go and no reason to be taking a chance. He was safe but only by about 6 inches.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:15 PM
with 2 outs. Rich had no where to go and no reason to be taking a chance. He was safe but only by about 6 inches.

You guys and your measurements! It was a foot! :D

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:17 PM
If Randa gets on, I think you might want to pinch-run with Olmedo.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:17 PM
Tony using his bullpen like its a roll of toilet paper. Grab, wipe clean, throw away, repeat.

Aronchis
06-28-2005, 11:18 PM
Disappointing loss for the Reds, but considering their season is over, ho hum.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:19 PM
You guys and your measurements! It was a foot! :D

Well, it was the distance between his shoulder and his fingers, about three feet. He was tagged on his shoulder as his fingers hit the bag.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:19 PM
Tony using his bullpen like its a roll of toilet paper. Grab, wipe clean, throw away, repeat.

His parade of pitching changes are annoying...

...but they work most of the time

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:19 PM
The Reds are always one mistake pitch away from tieing this game, don't give up just yet.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:20 PM
George, the "hold" stat is crap.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:20 PM
What a bad time for Casey not to get on base.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:21 PM
George, the "hold" stat is crap.

No kidding. Jeez, does anybody talk about thing anymore?

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:21 PM
George does. Tavarez has 17 of 'em.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:22 PM
with 2 outs. Rich had no where to go and no reason to be taking a chance. He was safe but only by about 6 inches.

I'm not sure he was taking that big a lead, he was just beat a by a great move to first by Molina and a blown call by Kerwin Danley.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:23 PM
If Peņa gets on, I think you don't pinch-run with Olmedo.

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:23 PM
let's be honest george. the two biggest plays were the RA DP and RA pickoff

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:24 PM
George, I don't care about Yadier Molina's leadership capabilities.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:24 PM
You guys and your measurements! It was a foot! :D

Size, I mean distance, matters. :evil:

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:25 PM
let's be honest george. the two biggest plays were the RA DP and RA pickoff

Don't forget LaRue's DP.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:25 PM
Graves pitches two innings for the Mets tonight, giving up solo HR's in each of the 8th and 9th innings.

He only tipped 2 pitches tonight.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:25 PM
Peņa looks clueless right now.

I hope he gets himself out of this funk soon...

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:26 PM
If Peņa gets on, I think you don't pinch-run with Olmedo.

Is there anyone that you wouldn't pitch-run Olmedo for? :)

flyer85
06-28-2005, 11:26 PM
Don't forget LaRue's DP.make it three. Too bad the manager doesn;t group all the hackers together

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 11:27 PM
Peņa looks clueless right now.

I hope he gets himself out of this funk soon...

Chambliss needs to hook up Pena to an electroshock collar, have someone throw him nothing but sliders on the outside corner, and buzz him every time he swings at one.

Classical conditioning at it's finest.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:27 PM
Don't forget LaRue's DP.

I agree. RA pick off and DP may not have cost us anything (you can't assume subsequent events would have stayed the same). Larue's DP clearly cost us something.

But I'll pass Larue as he hit the ball hard. RA has just flat out stunk.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:28 PM
Peņa looks clueless right now.

I hope he gets himself out of this funk soon...

It wouldn't hurt to give him a day off--maybe start Cruz against a righty.

westofyou
06-28-2005, 11:28 PM
Peņa looks clueless right now.

I hope he gets himself out of this funk soon...

http://www.tomheroes.com/images/kryptonite.gif

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:29 PM
Jerry "Do Not Go Gentle" Narron. Eh well, guess it's better than rollin' over and dyin'.

PuffyPig
06-28-2005, 11:29 PM
Chambliss needs to hook up Pena to an electroshock collar, have someone throw him nothing but sliders on the outside corner, and buzz him every time he swings at one.

Classical conditioning at it's finest.

They should have done the same with Kearns at the buffett line.

And Graves whenever he threw the meatball. Of course, in Graves case he would have been fried before he was cured.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:30 PM
Belisle should not have been pulled. If Merker allows anything more than a weak GO, color me fumed.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:31 PM
Is there anyone that you wouldn't pitch-run Olmedo for? :)

LOL...

Well, WMP, for one! :)

I was just looking to increase baserunning speed last inning--definitely for Casey, maybe for Randa (depending on what base he's on and how many outs), but not for Peņa.

I'll start again next inning. :D

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:33 PM
Belisle should not have been pulled. If Merker allows anything more than a weak GO, color me fumed.

Are you fumed?

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:33 PM
The disappointment in George's voice is palpable.

Aronchis
06-28-2005, 11:33 PM
This is going to be a bizzaro Reds loss. O'brien must feel like the whole world is against him. I bet he has a bunker set up somewhere in the compound.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:33 PM
Whoever plans to face St. Louis in the postseason will want to acquire Mercker.

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:34 PM
LOL...

Well, WMP, for one! :)

I was just looking to increase baserunning speed last inning--definitely for Casey, maybe for Randa (depending on what base he's on and how many outs), but not for Peņa.

I'll start again next inning. :D

Yea', I noticed after I posted that you said you wouldn't pinch-run for Peņa. I just couldn't find a good way to cover my mistake. :laugh:

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:34 PM
If LaRue gets on, I think you might want to wait before deciding to pinch-run with Olmedo.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:35 PM
Are you fumed?

Yeah, but exactly what color am I , I have no clue. Depends on if Adam can piss off the Cards fans.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 11:35 PM
They should have done the same with Kearns at the buffett line.

And Graves whenever he threw the meatball. Of course, in Graves case he would have been fried before he was cured.

Well, either that or learned helplessness would have set in. You can only use negative reinforcement so many times before the subject simply gives up trying to avoid it and sits in a corner whimpering.

And we all should know because that's what we all felt like doing every time Graves entered a game right before he was shown the door.

Go figure.

Falls City Beer
06-28-2005, 11:35 PM
In my unsubstantiated rumor brain, I have a suspicion that Izzy's on the roids. He's got a puffy face.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 11:36 PM
CRAP! Dunn JUST missed that one. Too much air. Dangit.

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:36 PM
Speaking of Adam Dunn (yeah, I know, nobody did, but watching that play reminded me), in the Reds pregame, the segment with Ruhle was entitled something like "Fixing the struggling defense of Dunn and Pena".

Now, I'll admit, Adam is my fave, but! when comparing the fielding of Dunn/Pena, Adam does not "struggle" anywhere near as bad as Wily Mo. So I was a little ticked by that.

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:37 PM
In my unsubstantiated rumor brain, I have a suspicion that Izzy's on the roids. He's got a puffy face.

Maybe it's mumps

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2005, 11:37 PM
How close was that to being a homerun?

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:38 PM
Speaking of Adam Dunn (yeah, I know, nobody did, but watching that play reminded me), in the Reds pregame, the segment with Ruhle was entitled something like "Fixing the struggling defense of Dunn and Pena".

Now, I'll admit, Adam is my fave, but! when comparing the fielding of Dunn/Pena, Adam does not "struggle" anywhere near as bad as Wily Mo. So I was a little ticked by that.

No, it is as bad.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 11:39 PM
Ok, does anyone watch the HBO series "Entourage"?

Javier Valentin reminds me of Turtle.

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:39 PM
If Valentin gets on, I think you MUST pinch-run with Olmedo.

DoogMinAmo
06-28-2005, 11:39 PM
Huh, Valentin PH for Romano?

Wah?

Reds Nd2
06-28-2005, 11:39 PM
This is about to be a tie game.

SteelSD
06-28-2005, 11:40 PM
How close was that to being a homerun?

Edmonds caught it about 2-3 feet in front of the RCF wall (more CF than RF).

Matt700wlw
06-28-2005, 11:40 PM
Olmedo pinch-running for Valentin!

Big Klu
06-28-2005, 11:40 PM
Yay! Ray-Ray! :thumbup:

TeamBoone
06-28-2005, 11:41 PM
Come on Jake!