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jmcclain19
07-01-2005, 03:01 PM
Sometime tomorrow morning here in the US, the 2005 Tour de France gets underway.

6 time champ Lance Armstrong goes for his 7th win in a row, and he has said this will be his final Tour.

The first trial is a quick time trial, 19km (under 12 miles) in length, and takes place on the far west coast of France

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40658000/gif/_40658648_stage_1_416.gif

Sunday's stage is a grueling 181km (112miles) flat section, continuing down France's western shore

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40658000/gif/_40658652_stage_2_416.gif

Don't look for Lance to make any moves to lead until the mountain stages start in the south of France. The Mountains kick in about stage 14 (July 16th), where Armstrong typically destroys the competition and puts the field to bed.

M2
07-01-2005, 03:18 PM
Every stage will be broadcast on the Outdoor Life Network. They do an excellent job. For those who don't get OLN as part of your normal cable package, you might during the Tour. They make their service free to cable providers during the race. For instance, I have Comcast and, starting tomorrow, OLN should be visible to me on its normal channel that I don't get as well as on every other channel I don't get.

jmcclain19
07-01-2005, 05:24 PM
Every stage will be broadcast on the Outdoor Life Network. They do an excellent job. For those who don't get OLN as part of your normal cable package, you might during the Tour. They make their service free to cable providers during the race. For instance, I have Comcast and, starting tomorrow, OLN should be visible to me on its normal channel that I don't get as well as on every other channel I don't get.

OLN was fantastic last year - from about the 7th stage I watched every day.

It starts at 5 am Pacific Time tomorrow, and I've got my TiVo ready to roll

savafan
07-01-2005, 07:44 PM
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/155779/1/.html

CHALLANS, France : Reigning champion Lance Armstrong of the United States was given a surprise anti-doping test on the eve of the Tour de France, race sources revealed.

The test was carried out in the afternoon by doctors from the French sports ministry.

Cycling's world governing body UCI decides which riders will undergo spot tests from both blood and urine samples during the three week race.

All 189 riders on the Tour de France were Thursday declared fit to race after blood tests showed no doping.

Armstrong opens his bid for a seventh consecutive crown Saturday in the opening stage, a 19km time trial through western France.

- AFP /ls

Mutaman
07-02-2005, 02:22 AM
i got hooked last year. Very addictive. The beautiful French countyside, the crazy wierdness of the race, terriffic announcing, and of course Armstrong.

jmcclain19
07-02-2005, 06:38 PM
An American won today, but it wasn't Lance - he placed 2nd in the 1st stage.

But in the process, he put about 1 minute and more on all of his chief rivals. What a way to start out of the gate.

Thumbs up for the US all around, with a handful of Americans in the top 15 :beerme:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/4644809.stm

jmcclain19
07-03-2005, 05:07 PM
A Belgiun by the name of Tom Boonen on the "Quick-Step" team won the 181km stage 2.

Here are the overall standings after two days - four Americans in the Top 10


Overall standings:
1. David Zabriskie (US/CSC) 4hrs 12mins 27secs
2. Lance Armstrong (US/Discovery) at 0:02
3. Laszlo Bodrogi (Hun/Credit Agricole) at 0:47
4. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz/T-Mobile) at 0:53
5. George Hincapie (US/Discovery) at 0:57
6. Floyd Landis (US/Phonak) at 1:02
7. Fabian Cancellara (Swi/Fassa Bortolo) same time
8. Jan Ullrich (Ger/T-Mobile) at 1:03
9. Jens Voigt (Ger/CSC) at 1:04
10. Vladimir Karpets (Rus/Illes Balears) at 1:05

jmcclain19
07-03-2005, 05:17 PM
Stage 3 tomorrow has some good elevation changes and some solid climbs on it

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40658000/gif/_40658656_stage_3_416.gif

Nothing major yet, but it'll be the first stage with several mid-level climbs on it.

The stage is 212.5km, or about 131miles

jmcclain19
07-05-2005, 08:37 PM
A familiar site

Lance today donned the Yellow Jersey for the first time of the 2005 Tour de France.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41269000/jpg/_41269475_lance_gett.jpg

His Discovery Channel team pushed him ahead of in the waning minutes of today's team time trial.

Fellow Discovery Channel team member and Lance's top Lieutenant George Hincapie is now in 2nd overall.

Red Leader
07-05-2005, 08:39 PM
Has Lance ever started this fast before? If memory serves he always hangs in the top 10-15 until about Stage 15, when he makes his move and takes the Yellow Jersey for good. I hope he doesn't burn himself out making "one last statment."

SunDeck
07-05-2005, 09:04 PM
Has Lance ever started this fast before? If memory serves he always hangs in the top 10-15 until about Stage 15, when he makes his move and takes the Yellow Jersey for good. I hope he doesn't burn himself out making "one last statment."

I have a feeling he knows what he's doing. His ability to adopt the right strategy for this race has always been astounding. I think it is true that he has usually waited longer to establish the lead, but my sense is that he's doing what he thinks is required at this time to end up leading at the end. It may have more to do with the track and the conditions than anything else.

jmcclain19
07-05-2005, 09:14 PM
RL/SD, I believe it was the 4th or 5th stage last year as well, that Armstrong took the lead, almost by default, and then surrendered it a few days later, only to demolish the competition once they hit the Alps.

I think this may be the same strategy once again

EDIT - It was the 5th stage last year.
Here's a good breakdown on this ESPN.com story about where Lance was at in relation to leading/being behind from 1999 up to the 5th stage last year. Looks like it varies from year to year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=1835657

redsrule2500
07-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Go Lance!

I love how the American always goes over to France and crushes them at their own game :thumbup:

jmcclain19
07-06-2005, 01:16 PM
This story from this morning about Lance

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/4657365.stm


Earlier, Tour leader Lance Armstrong was forced to wear the yellow jersey against his will.

The American initially refused to put on the jersey as a tribute to David Zabriskie, who lost the lead after a fall on Tuesday.

"No one really takes the jersey if there is a crash involving the leader," said Armstrong. "It wouldn't be right."

But officials told the six-times Tour winner the rules did not allow him to make such a gesture.

RawOwl UK
07-08-2005, 01:27 PM
Well the flat stages are just about behind them. Tommorow is when it starts to get intresting. Go Team CA. good luck to my fave rider Stuie O'Grady. Off work tomorrow so I can settle down for 4 hrs of live coverage :)

Mutaman
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
What happened to the Discovery guys today. Lance is God, but even God can't win the TDF without a little help from his teammates. Tomorrow should be very interesting.

RawOwl UK
07-10-2005, 04:53 AM
Lance seemed a little worried in his interview afterwards about the lack of support at the end. I watched the stage from the start and wondered why he sent big George Hincapie up the road tracking a small bunch who where no threat to him on the GC. George should be with Armstrong at the back end of the race as he has the experience now & can climb much better than he used to.

Great performance by Kloden who has been seriously out of form so far this season, Ullrich will hope that Kloden can add some solid support for the rest of the tour. It wasn't a bad day for Lance as no real damage was done, but he needs support from the other Discovey guys over the next week as he cannot continue to track attacks from his rivals like he tried to yesterday.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:01 AM
I thought Lance did look a little irked and ready for a good reaming in the post race interview myself as well.

Kloden kicked some major tail today. Shocked the heck out of everyone. Although props to the young Dutch kid who really did a yeomans job of getting way out in front and sustaining it to win the stage.

Tomorrow's going to be the real fun. OLN's expanding their coveage to five hours from three since the Tour's in the Alps now. :thumbup: With as many times as it's repeated during the day, That'll pretty much turn OLN into 24 hr Tour de France this week.

I love it. This is the part of the race that makes my calves and legs just burn watching it, and fires me up to go run out and grab my bike.

Check out the monster elevation changes on Sunday's ride

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40658000/gif/_40658674_stage_9_416.gif

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:06 AM
And one other thing, I know most people are watching this just to watch Lance thump guys, and I'll admit that's a huge reason I started watching and continue to do so.

But I'd love to see a little more coverage of the other Americans in the race - considering it's an American TV station I'm watching. Bobby Julich's been in the top 5 for a week now, yet you never hear about him and certainly rarely see him. Levi Leipheimer's been hanging around the top 15 all week as well, and today was the first time I've heard him mentioned more than just in passing.

Maybe it's just due to the feed the French TV networks send out and the OLN commentators have to react to, but it's just a quirk I've noticed.

RawOwl UK
07-10-2005, 05:36 AM
I am a big Bobby Julich fan :) He has never acheived what he should in this race , apart from his 3rd a few years ago. He can climb no doubt about that. Out of intrest Jm , who commentates over there for you guys ? Is it Liggott & Sherwin ? If so you are lucky as we only get them on the highlights package on another channel. I watch on Eurosport who to be fair are really dedicated to the sport who have Shaun Kelly as co-commenter (really broad Irish accent) he won the Green Jersey a few times.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:46 AM
I am a big Bobby Julich fan :) He has never acheived what he should in this race , apart from his 3rd a few years ago. He can climb no doubt about that. Out of intrest Jm , who commentates over there for you guys ? Is it Liggott & Sherwin ? If so you are lucky as we only get them on the highlights package on another channel. I watch on Eurosport who to be fair are really dedicated to the sport who have Shaun Kelly as co-commenter (really broad Irish accent) he won the Green Jersey a few times.

Yup, it's Liggett and Sherwin with Al Trautwig and Bob Roll doing the pre and post show with the two of them.

Always solid, I've learned more about cycling racing in the two years now I've watched the Tour then I ever imagined just from listening to those two.

RawOwl UK
07-10-2005, 06:31 AM
Yep they are very good . :) Well it's on in 30 mins so a shower first then settle down with a few cold beers watching the Tour (and a bit of Cricket ;) ) .

RawOwl UK
07-10-2005, 07:30 AM
David Zabriske who won the opening TT has abandoned, Ullrich has fell on the descent.

M2
07-11-2005, 02:30 AM
What I dig about Liggett is the steady stream of Brit vernacular. I remember last year when he was marvelling at Robbie McEwen, stressing, "It's amazing he can get that kind of acceleration when there's not of him."

RawOwl, I like Julich too. I remember back in 1998 I thought he was going to be the next big American star in the sport, not Lance.

Anyway, huge leg from Rasmussen today. If he can hit the Alps like that, he's going to be a serious threat. Christophe Moreau also looks real solid.

Mutaman
07-11-2005, 03:07 AM
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If i remember right, Rasmussen got some big leads last year but always cracked. Not today. Watching him desend down the big mountain was really something.
The guy whos laying in the weeds is Basso.

Discovery looked in charge again today, but are they as good as Postal was?

redsrule2500
07-11-2005, 03:09 AM
Well I dont know much about TDF, but I just want Lance to win his last one. If he doesn't win, I bet he will be wishing he stopped last year!

M2
07-11-2005, 10:24 AM
I figure the only way Basso can win is if Lance cracks in the mountains. Otherwise he's going to get overwhelmed during the time trials.

If somebody's going to beat Lance I figure it's going to be a real sleeper, someone he'll let go up the road figuring the guy isn't a threat.

Loved how Rasmussen blew off suggestions that he might be a threat, instead pointing out that Denis Mentchov, who almost fell off the back of the pelloton yesterday, is his team's GC rider.

Yeah, pay no attention to him, all he did was run away and hide on the first mountain stage of the course.

RawOwl UK
07-12-2005, 05:20 PM
Great ride by LA today, dissapointing how his main rivals cracked today. Tommorow is a tougher day than today so we'll see if they can come back at him.

Mutaman
07-12-2005, 05:22 PM
The old man really laid the hammer down today. Very similiar to his match with Basso in the first mountain stage last year. We will never see his likes again so enjoy him while we can.

M2
07-12-2005, 11:56 PM
Unreal. Armstrong blew the field apart at the seams on that mountain ... and I'm guessing he does it again tomorrow when the climbing's supposed to be get more punishing. Discovery Channel also might have obliterated every other team in the field. Lance has got himself a serious domestique advantage.

Seems like Rasmussen is the only guy with a shot at Lance at this point. Basso managed to keep himself mildly visible in the rearview, but he looks more like a guy who's hanging on than a guy who's waiting to pounce.

Mutaman
07-16-2005, 04:54 PM
Annother big day for the Man. I've been watching this race for the last two years, and I have yet to see Armstrong "crack" or have a bad day. Someone like Vinokourov will have a great day like he did on Wednesday, but it always catches up with them like it did today. Not Armstrong.

jmcclain19
07-16-2005, 07:19 PM
Anyone else catch T-Mobile just embarrass their own teammate today - Vinokourov?

Vino moved away on a break, and the T-Mobile guys were the ones leading the way to reel him in. He looked back to see who was about to catch him, and you could just see it in his face when he saw the pink jerseys. Liggett and Sherwin just savaged T-Mobile for doing that to a teammate.

Mutaman
07-17-2005, 02:31 AM
Sunday should be the most interesting day of the Tour. Hot and mountainous with T Mobile again on the attack, for better or for worse. Plus its the 10th aniversary of the death of Fabio Casartelli who crashed on the Portet d'Aspet on July 17,1995. He was Armstrong's teamate at the time and Armstrong honored him by pointing to the sky when he won a stage a few days later. The riders will go up (and down) Portet d'Aspet Sunday, right past a monument to Casartelli.
Lance may really want to win this stage.

M2
07-17-2005, 03:46 AM
Anyone else catch T-Mobile just embarrass their own teammate today - Vinokourov?

Vino moved away on a break, and the T-Mobile guys were the ones leading the way to reel him in. He looked back to see who was about to catch him, and you could just see it in his face when he saw the pink jerseys. Liggett and Sherwin just savaged T-Mobile for doing that to a teammate.

That's just a messed up team. Vino's an all-or-nothing wild child on the mountains. If they reined him him and put him on Ullrich's wheel (who in turn would be on Kloden's wheel) they could have a machine capable of putting Lance in pain. Vino could pounce late on the climbs that way and Lance would have to try to match him. Yet T-Mobile's got too many guys who think they're the top dog. Ullrich can't beat Lance. He's proven it. Kloden doesn't have the talent for it. Vino's the guy who, if the team worked him for as hard as Discovery Channel does for Lance, could have a real shot at winning the Tour.

Though there's a few strange teams out there. Phonak's done nothing for Floyd Landis even though he's clearly better than Santiago Botero and Oscar Pereiro (two guys constantly trying to jump off the front). Rabobank's got the breakout performer of the race in Mickael Rasmussen and they've left him to fend for himself. Then again, I don't understand why brilliant attackers like Juan Antonio Flecha, Axel Merckx and David Moncoutie aren't on teams with legit GC contenders. Imagine the damage guys like that could do if they were put in a George Hincapie type of role.

jmcclain19
07-17-2005, 05:20 AM
That's just a messed up team. Vino's an all-or-nothing wild child on the mountains. If they reined him him and put him on Ullrich's wheel (who in turn would be on Kloden's wheel) they could have a machine capable of putting Lance in pain. Vino could pounce late on the climbs that way and Lance would have to try to match him. Yet T-Mobile's got too many guys who think they're the top dog. Ullrich can't beat Lance. He's proven it. Kloden doesn't have the talent for it. Vino's the guy who, if the team worked him for as hard as Discovery Channel does for Lance, could have a real shot at winning the Tour.

Though there's a few strange teams out there. Phonak's done nothing for Floyd Landis even though he's clearly better than Santiago Botero and Oscar Pereiro (two guys constantly trying to jump off the front). Rabobank's got the breakout performer of the race in Mickael Rasmussen and they've left him to fend for himself. Then again, I don't understand why brilliant attackers like Juan Antonio Flecha, Axel Merckx and David Moncoutie aren't on teams with legit GC contenders. Imagine the damage guys like that could do if they were put in a George Hincapie type of role.

I was actually talking about a similiar topic just on Friday with a coworker.

Look at CSC - they left the yellow jersey just lying on the ground for goodness sake. In Team time trials, it's the fifth guy who counts for time, so they could have left a few guys there to help him up, and pace him back. He's the race leader, for goodness sake.

I think that just demoralized poor Zabriskie, and the severe injuries just compounded on that. I think it was Bob Roll who said that Zabriskie going down like that was good for his career. Because extreme devestation like that, will drive him to come back, as when you've experienced the lows on the tour, it makes you strive for the highs that much more.

I'm blown away at how many times nickel and dime the tour, looking for a stage win here and there, or simply have no focus or goals what so ever.

Maybe US Postal/Discovery has spoiled all of us, with their pristine execution over the last several years. Next year will be probably the most exciting tour in a long time, as it won't be "Who can beat Lance" but a free for all throwing strategy to the wind.

I also heard Vinokourov, when asked about his plans for next season, say he wanted to ride for Discovery, and that was the only change in rides he would accept.

RawOwl UK
07-17-2005, 06:46 AM
Next year should be pretty good, No LA (He is JUST too good ;) ) .

It's true what you are both saying about the (supposedly ) rival teams tactics, there seems no planned tactics at all. I dont expect to see it happen BUT today is still a big day & things could happen to give LA some worries going into the rest day. Has Rasmussen got anything left? I doubt it. LA to win the stage.

Mutaman
07-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Every time I start to question LA he outdoes himself again. Today was the equivalent of hitting a grandslam homer in the last at bat of your career.

jmcclain19
07-24-2005, 06:59 PM
Yesterday was an amazing performance by Lance. Today was simply the victory parade.

Check out some pictures

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/Lance_4small.jpg

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/Lance_5small.jpg

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/Lance_6small.jpg

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/Lance_7small.jpg

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/Lance_montage_small.jpg

Mutaman
07-26-2005, 03:27 PM
After watching Armstrong the last two years, I think I have discovered the secret to his success: The guy can really ride a bike. Seriously, did anybody notice that during the last time trial all the rest of these great riders would, by necesssity, slow down everytime they went into one of the many sharp turns? Not LA. He kept the same speed throughout and seldom braked even going into the most hairpin corners.

RBA
05-31-2006, 01:37 PM
Report Exonorates Armstrong of Doping
May 31 9:23 AM US/Eastern
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By ARTHUR MAX
Associated Press Writer

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands

Dutch investigators cleared Lance Armstrong of doping in the 1999 Tour de France on Wednesday, and blamed anti-doping authorities for misconduct in dealing with the American cyclist.
A 132-page report recommended convening a tribunal to discuss possible legal and ethical violations by the World Anti-Doping Agency and to consider "appropriate sanctions to remedy the violations."
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The French sports daily L'Equipe reported in August that six of Armstrong's urine samples from 1999, when he won the first of his record seven-straight Tour titles, came back positive for the endurance-boosting hormone EPO when they were retested in 2004.
Armstrong has repeatedly denied using banned substances.
The International Cycling Union appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman last October to investigate the handling of urine tests from the 1999 Tour by the French national anti-doping laboratory, known by its French acronym LNDD.
Vrijman said Wednesday his report "exonerates Lance Armstrong completely with respect to alleged use of doping in the 1999 Tour de France."
The report also said the UCI had not damaged Armstrong by releasing doping control forms to the French newspaper.
The report said WADA and the LNDD may have "behaved in ways that are completely inconsistent with the rules and regulations of international anti-doping control testing," and may also have been against the law.
Vrijman, who headed the Dutch anti-doping agency for 10 years and later defended athletes accused of doping, worked on the report with Adriaan van der Veen, a scientist with the Dutch Metrology Laboratory.
EPO, or erythropoietin, is a synthetic hormone that boosts the oxygen- carrying capacity of the blood.
Testing for EPO only began in 2001.
Armstrong had challenged the validity of testing samples frozen six years ago, and how they were handled.
Vrijman said a further investigation was needed regarding the leaking of the results to the French paper.
He said a tribunal should be created to "provide a fair hearing" to the people and organizations suspected of misconduct and to decide on sanctions if warranted.
World Anti-Doping Agency chief Dick Pound accused former ICU president Hein Verbruggen of leaking documents about the alleged positive tests to a reporter from L'Equipe. Pound also questioned the union's willingness to fully investigate the allegations.
The anti-doping lab at Chatenay-Malabry has been accused of violating confidentiality regulations.
Mario Zorzoli, the doctor who gave copies of Armstrong's doping control forms to L'Equipe, was suspended by the UCI for one month earlier this year. He has since been reinstated.
The full report was sent to the UCI, the LNDD, the French sports ministry, WADA and Armstrong's lawyer. The International Olympic Committee also had requested a copy.
The accusations against Armstrong raised questions about how frozen samples, routinely held for eight years, should be used. IOC president Jacques Rogge has said he was willing to have urine samples checked retroactively, but with clear procedures that would have to be set up by WADA.