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redsfan4445
07-03-2005, 02:42 PM
Here is the link to all the sports page rumours involving the Reds

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/reds/rumors.html

Indians sports page talk of trading Sabathia and Davis for Dunn..

Cards could package either Anthony Reyes or Adam Wainwright for one of Pena, Dunn Kearns.

Milton could be traded to Nationals or Yankees..
And of Course Randa to Twins

pedro
07-03-2005, 02:56 PM
Here is the link to all the sports page rumours involving the Reds

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/reds/rumors.html

Indians sports page talk of trading Sabathia and Davis for Dunn..

Cards could package either Anthony Reyes or Adam Wainwright for one of Pena, Dunn Kearns.

Milton could be traded to Nationals or Yankees..
And of Course Randa to Twins

I'd trade WMP for Adam Wainwright.

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2005, 03:03 PM
I'd trade WMP for Adam Wainwright.

I'd rather have Reyes.

Wainwright has allowed 118 hits in 113 innings, and an underwhelming 6.75 k/9 rate. Wainwright projects as a fine #3 starter, but Reyes could be a number 2.

Anthony Reyes (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Anthony%20Reyes&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=435039)

pedro
07-03-2005, 07:06 PM
I'd rather have Reyes.

Wainwright has allowed 118 hits in 113 innings, and an underwhelming 6.75 k/9 rate. Wainwright projects as a fine #3 starter, but Reyes could be a number 2.

Anthony Reyes (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Anthony%20Reyes&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=435039)

those are some nice numbers. I see what you're saying.

how old is he?

Falls City Beer
07-03-2005, 07:09 PM
I'd rather have Reyes.

Wainwright has allowed 118 hits in 113 innings, and an underwhelming 6.75 k/9 rate. Wainwright projects as a fine #3 starter, but Reyes could be a number 2.

Anthony Reyes (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Anthony%20Reyes&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=435039)

OOO, OOO, Mistah Kahtah! REYES, please!

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2005, 07:16 PM
those are some nice numbers. I see what you're saying.

how old is he?

Wainwright is 23...turns 24 in late August. Reyes turns 24 in October.

Jpup
07-03-2005, 07:18 PM
Wainwright is 23...turns 24 in late August. Reyes turns 24 in October.

How about sending them Mercker and/or Weathers and package something together to get both? I doubt they would let both of them go, but a boy can dream.

The_jbh
07-03-2005, 07:43 PM
as much as i'd like reyes i'd pass on sending any of the three to the cardinals...

MrCinatit
07-03-2005, 07:48 PM
how come it seems every team in the majors wants Dunn, Pena and Kearns, except the Reds?

Oxilon
07-03-2005, 08:13 PM
I don't think it'd be wise to trade any of them to a division rival, unless the deal is that great for the Reds.

Jpup
07-03-2005, 08:18 PM
I don't think it'd be wise to trade any of them to a division rival, unless the deal is that great for the Reds.

If the Reds can get one or both of the Cardinals young arms, it will be worth it.

Falls City Beer
07-03-2005, 08:26 PM
If the Reds can get one or both of the Cardinals young arms, it will be worth it.

The best of the Cards young arms is now pitching in Oakland. But Reyes is a close second.

The Cards can keep Howingto--errr--Wainwright.

Marc D
07-03-2005, 08:49 PM
The trade would end up like this, the names are interchangeable:

Reds get pitcher x who either has or will develop shoulder problems.

The Cards recieve OF y who will actually get to hit higher than 6th in their lineup and will promptly hit 40+HR and drive in 100+ RBI next year and for many years to follow.

Not only this but he will take special delight in joining Pujols in a competition to see who can get the most hugs from Casey as they jog past 1B a dozen times per series when they play us again.

All the while the Reds FO and their living embodiment Grande sit confused wondering why we aren't scoring more runs now that we got rid of a high strikeout power hitter and replaced him with a scrappy sac fly specialist.

Its all so sadly predictable. :cry:

Falls City Beer
07-03-2005, 09:10 PM
The trade would end up like this, the names are interchangeable:

Reds get pitcher x who either has or will develop shoulder problems.

The Cards recieve OF y who will actually get to hit higher than 6th in their lineup and will promptly hit 40+HR and drive in 100+ RBI next year and for many years to follow.

Not only this but he will take special delight in joining Pujols in a competition to see who can get the most hugs from Casey as they jog past 1B a dozen times per series when they play us again.

All the while the Reds FO and their living embodiment Grande sit confused wondering why we aren't scoring more runs now that we got rid of a high strikeout power hitter and replaced him with a scrappy sac fly specialist.

Its all so sadly predictable. :cry:

While your speculative situation would be bad, what would be worse is if the Reds hedged on nabbing Reyes for WMP because of WMP's tape-measure home run shots, ignoring all the other deficiencies in his game.

But something tells me we'll not have to worry about either scenario, as I doubt the Reds even know enough to target Reyes. Nor is Jocketty stupid enough to give the Reds Reyes for WMP.

Marc D
07-03-2005, 09:16 PM
While your speculative situation would be bad, what would be worse is if the Reds hedged on nabbing Reyes for WMP because of WMP's tape-measure home run shots, ignoring all the other deficiencies in his game.

But something tells me we'll not have to worry about either scenario, as I doubt the Reds even know enough to target Reyes. Nor is Jocketty stupid enough to give the Reds Reyes for WMP.

Oh I agree, I could easily see Dunn go for a prospect of lesser status than Reyes. Jocketty vs O'Brien is not exactly a matchup in our favor.

Betterread
07-03-2005, 11:08 PM
While your speculative situation would be bad, what would be worse is if the Reds hedged on nabbing Reyes for WMP because of WMP's tape-measure home run shots, ignoring all the other deficiencies in his game.

Your bias against WMP is ample and well-documented and makes me think of a poem by Philip Larkin:

"As bad as a mile"

Watching the shied core
Striking the basket, skidding across the floor,
Shows less and less of luck, and more and more
of failure spreading back up the arm
earlier and earlier, the unraised hand calm,
The apple unbitten in the palm.

Please give your unrelenting criticism of a hard-working young talent a rest, I really enjoy his game.

Falls City Beer
07-03-2005, 11:31 PM
Your bias against WMP is ample and well-documented and makes me think of a poem by Philip Larkin:

"As bad as a mile"

Watching the shied core
Striking the basket, skidding across the floor,
Shows less and less of luck, and more and more
of failure spreading back up the arm
earlier and earlier, the unraised hand calm,
The apple unbitten in the palm.

Please give your unrelenting criticism of a hard-working young talent a rest, I really enjoy his game.

Larkin was a lout, a bad poet, and an anti-Semite.

He will drop out of anthologies altogether in 50 years. I say good.

M2
07-03-2005, 11:51 PM
The best of the Cards young arms is now pitching in Oakland. But Reyes is a close second.

The Cards can keep Howingto--errr--Wainwright.

IIRC, you used to have a fairly dim view of Haren too. My apologies if I'm confused on that point. Most people on this board didn't think much of Haren. I remember a lot of yowling when I noted I vastly prefered him to Claussen.

Wainwright would be the best starting prospect arm the Reds have had since Mario Soto. He's not going to be major league ready until at least mid-2006. This year he's bouncing back from an injury-lost 2004, but the Reds will be doing well if four or five years from now they've got two starters better than Adam Wainwright.

Betterread
07-03-2005, 11:53 PM
Larkin was a lout, a bad poet, and an anti-Semite.

He will drop out of anthologies altogether in 50 years. I say good.

A very spurious analysis. Yet, I offer you this by Seamus Heaney:

"The pitchfork"
Of all implements, the pitchfork was the one
That came near to an imagined perfection:
When he tightened his raised hand and aimed with it,
It felt like a javelin, accurate and light.

So whether he played the warrior or the athlete
Or worked in earnest in the chaff and sweat,
He loved its grain of tapering, dark-flecked ash
Grown satiny from its own natural polish.

Riveted steel, turned timber, burnish, grain,
Smoothness, straightness, roundness, length and sheen.
Sweat-cured, sharpened, balanced, tested, fitted.
The springness, the clip and dart of it.

And then when he thought of probes that reached the farthest,
He would see the shaft of a pitchfork sailing past
Evenly, imperturbably through space,
Its prongs starlit and absolutely soundless -

But has learned at last to follow that simple lead
Past its own aim, out to an other side
Where perfection- or nearness to it- is imagined
Not in the aiming but the opening hand.

Patrick Bateman
07-03-2005, 11:53 PM
With all do respect FCB your bias against WMP is obvious. When you say things like Reggie Sanders is way better than WMP your bias really stands out. You seem to forget that Sanders is the same type of player as Pena yet you say one is a god and the other is a slouch.

pedro
07-03-2005, 11:57 PM
With all do respect FCB your bias against WMP is obvious. When you say things like Reggie Sanders is way better than WMP your bias really stands out. You seem to forget that Sanders is the same type of player as Pena yet you say one is a god and the other is a slouch.

Frankly I'd be surprised if Pena has as good a career as Sanders.

Pena's only real tool that he utilizes is power. He's a lousy fielder with poor on base skills. Now he may improve enough to fullfill some of his promise but right now he is hardly a star.

Falls City Beer
07-03-2005, 11:57 PM
IIRC, you used to have a fairly dim view of Haren too. My apologies if I'm confused on that point. Most people on this board didn't think much of Haren. I remember a lot of yowling when I noted I vastly prefered him to Claussen.

Wainwright would be the best starting prospect arm the Reds have had since Mario Soto. He's not going to be major league ready until at least mid-2006. This year he's bouncing back from an injury-lost 2004, but the Reds will be doing well if four or five years from now they've got two starters better than Adam Wainwright.

Last year I came around on my Haren prediction. He certainly showed himself as a keeper last season, IMO.

My point is less that Wainwright won't be serviceable--maybe as good as Claussen--but rather, that Reyes is far better, and every metric says so.

paintmered
07-04-2005, 12:01 AM
Jocketty vs O'Brien is not exactly a matchup in our favor.

Rep points for the first person who can name 3 gm's out there that DanO matches well against.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 12:06 AM
A very spurious analysis. Yet, I offer you this by Seamus Heaney:

"The pitchfork"
Of all implements, the pitchfork was the one
That came near to an imagined perfection:
When he tightened his raised hand and aimed with it,
It felt like a javelin, accurate and light.

So whether he played the warrior or the athlete
Or worked in earnest in the chaff and sweat,
He loved its grain of tapering, dark-flecked ash
Grown satiny from its own natural polish.

Riveted steel, turned timber, burnish, grain,
Smoothness, straightness, roundness, length and sheen.
Sweat-cured, sharpened, balanced, tested, fitted.
The springness, the clip and dart of it.

And then when he thought of probes that reached the farthest,
He would see the shaft of a pitchfork sailing past
Evenly, imperturbably through space,
Its prongs starlit and absolutely soundless -

But has learned at last to follow that simple lead
Past its own aim, out to an other side
Where perfection- or nearness to it- is imagined
Not in the aiming but the opening hand.

What's your deal--are you thumbing your Anglo-Irish anthology for a reason?

Heaney wishes he were Robert Lowell--if only he were only as good as Bidart first.

Look--might I recommend starting a poetry thread on the non-BB side? This is hardly on topic.

Oh, and Pena's overrated--the sooner we get value for him the better.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 12:06 AM
Rep points for the first person who can name 3 gm's out there that DanO matches well against.

Ed Wade



That's all I got ;)

M2
07-04-2005, 12:17 AM
Last year I came around on my Haren prediction. He certainly showed himself as a keeper last season, IMO.

My point is less that Wainwright won't be serviceable--maybe as good as Claussen--but rather, that Reyes is far better, and every metric says so.

Had you listened to me, you'd have known Haren was keeper years before that.

And I'm telling you, you're likely headed down a similar path with Wainwright. He won't be making it obvious in the majors until 2007 or 2008, but I'm confident he's going to get there.

BTW, the main difference in rate stats between Wainwright and Reyes this season is that Wainwright has spent the past month pitching through a dead arm while Reyes has been on the shelf.

M2
07-04-2005, 12:25 AM
Rep points for the first person who can name 3 gm's out there that DanO matches well against.

Bill Bavasi
Allard Baird
Dan O'Dowd

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 12:27 AM
Had you listened to me, you'd have known Haren was keeper years before that.

And I'm telling you, you're likely headed down a similar path with Wainwright. He won't be making it obvious in the majors until 2007 or 2008, but I'm confident he's going to get there.

BTW, the main difference in rate stats between Wainwright and Reyes this season is that Wainwright has spent the past month pitching through a dead arm while Reyes has been on the shelf.

With each post, Wainwright's ETA gets pushed back.

I suspect if Wainwright weren't a lefty, no one would be pimping him all that hard. I'm sure the guy wil have a MLB career, I just don't think it's going to be a great one.

If it makes you feel any better, I'd trade Pena for Wainwright in a heartbeat.

RedlegJake
07-04-2005, 12:29 AM
WMP. All that wasted speed. He has no instincts in the OF. None. I have to work to remember worse outfielders - okay, Deron Johnson....no...I think he was actually better. Uhh, Kingman? Nope, he had some instincts out there, not many but that's a few more than Wily Mo. Babe Herman...maybe we got a winner. Long time ago, though.

I think Wily Mo will be a tremendous hitter someday - er, tremendous home run hitter someday. I'm less inclined to think he'll ever become a good overall hitter, for one thing, no patience, no walks. All or nothing. Strikeouts and homers. Dunn without the eye.

I could be wrong though, because he has come a long way with his hitting over the last couple years. Do him a favor and trade him to an AL team with the DH. Then he can hit all the time and not play the field. Or, work him hard over the winter at first base. If he can get the footwork down maybe he can become serviceable there.

I hear cries about how fast he is and how that would be wasted at first - I tell you, the guy will never be a good outfielder - he hasn't got the first clue out there - and he isn't getting better. I'm with FCB. Trade him now while he's held in high regard.

And this is from a guy who actually enjoys watching Wily Mo and wishes the kid the best. I just don't think defensively he has it. I'm old school - no matter how important hitting is today, you still need to be able to catch the ball.

M2
07-04-2005, 12:36 AM
With each post, Wainwright's ETA gets pushed back.

I suspect if Wainwright weren't a lefty, no one would be pimping him all that hard. I'm sure the guy wil have a MLB career, I just don't think it's going to be a great one.

If it makes you feel any better, I'd trade Pena for Wainwright in a heartbeat.

Wainwright's a righty.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 12:37 AM
Wainwright's a righty.

D'oh! Tall kid, right? Lanky?

Well, anyway, he's had one interesting season--at the age of 21. His K rates have weakened with each appreciable jump, and he got hurt last year. He looks a lot like...Harang in a lot of respects, except he keeps the ball in the park better and doesn't surrender as many doubles as Aaron.

M2
07-04-2005, 12:41 AM
D'oh! Tall kid, right? Lanky?

Yep, tall and lanky.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 12:54 AM
What, other than an underwhelming steadiness, can be said for the guy, and why is he any more a prospect than, say, Claussen, whose pedigree was every bit Wainwright's--but roundly impugned by this board?

I mean, I'm not exactly sure what makes Wainwright "can't miss." His numbers aren't eye-popping in any respect. They're decent and he's remained relatively healthy up till last season, but really, what is the big deal? The guy looks like a 4 to me.

Cedric
07-04-2005, 12:56 AM
All Wily Mo does is keep hitting and then all the people do here is bash him. You'd think the guy was opsing .600 right now, not .930. A lot of people on this board are obsessed with obp, failing to realize that certain players have enough power and plate coverage to make up for it with slugging. Personally give me a player with a slugging inflated ops over a bb inflated one. FCB- If Austin had half the work ethic of Wily Mo you might be right. Personally I think you can't handle that Wily Mo keeps proving you wrong time and time again. You ripped him this offseason and yet he keeps producing. Unless you think his .930 ops somehow isn't doing the job. Maybe you want Austin and his .750 something up here.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 01:02 AM
All Wily Mo does is keep hitting and then all the people do here is bash him. You'd think the guy was opsing .600 right now, not .930. A lot of people on this board are obsessed with obp, failing to realize that certain players have enough power and plate coverage to make up for it with slugging. Personally give me a player with a slugging inflated ops over a bb inflated one. FCB- If Austin had half the work ethic of Wily Mo you might be right. Personally I think you can't handle that Wily Mo keeps proving you wrong time and time again. You ripped him this offseason and yet he keeps producing. Unless you think his .930 ops somehow isn't doing the job. Maybe you want Austin and his .750 something up here.

Which would you rather have, a guy with a mid .800s OPS or a pitcher who throws 200 innings at a 3.75 clip?

There's a place in baseball for a player like WMP; I just happen to think he's more useful in trade than in production for this team.

Red Leader
07-04-2005, 01:09 AM
Bill Bavasi
Allard Baird
Dan O'Dowd

You can throw Ed Wade and Ken Williams into that group. We're up to 5. I'm amazed that we could come up with 3.

M2
07-04-2005, 01:17 AM
What, other than an underwhelming steadiness, can be said for the guy, and why is he any more a prospect than, say, Claussen, whose pedigree was every bit Wainwright's--but roundly impugned by this board?

I mean, I'm not exactly sure what makes Wainwright "can't miss." His numbers aren't eye-popping in any respect. They're decent and he's remained relatively healthy up till last season, but really, what is the big deal? The guy looks like a 4 to me.

Plus fastball, plus curve (needs to hone control), solid change. He's got the making's of a good #3, maybe better dependent on the heater. He was a baby for his level at both stops in A ball and in AA and he managed to put up power pitcher numbers.

And I must have been on another board when Claussen was being roundly impugned. I remember after the Reds got him the few who dared to argue that he was a solid, but not great pitching prospect who'd need years to round into form got blasted for saying so. Wainwright's a better prospect because he's got a third pitch and, from what I understand, his injury didn't take away as much as Claussen's did (he's never recovered the A slider).

M2
07-04-2005, 01:19 AM
Which would you rather have, a guy with a mid .800s OPS or a pitcher who throws 200 innings at a 3.75 clip?

There's a place in baseball for a player like WMP; I just happen to think he's more useful in trade than in production for this team.

I'd be perfectly willing to trade Pena for that, but I'd rather trade Kearns for it.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 01:21 AM
I'd be perfectly willing to trade Pena for that, but I'd rather trade Kearns for it.

Whichever. But do what you got to do.

WVPacman
07-04-2005, 01:37 AM
How,and I repeat HOW can you trade with the Cards when they are the team to beat.That would be stupid imo!! Yes those pitchers look very good in a trade but that is to big of a chance to take if you ask me.

The only player that I would even think about trading to the Cards is Kearns.He is having a tough time up here in the bigs and they thought that AAA would help him but I hear that he is starting to strugle again.So if somebody had to go JR 1st or Kearns.

pedro
07-04-2005, 01:46 AM
All Wily Mo does is keep hitting and then all the people do here is bash him. You'd think the guy was opsing .600 right now, not .930. A lot of people on this board are obsessed with obp, failing to realize that certain players have enough power and plate coverage to make up for it with slugging. Personally give me a player with a slugging inflated ops over a bb inflated one. FCB- If Austin had half the work ethic of Wily Mo you might be right. Personally I think you can't handle that Wily Mo keeps proving you wrong time and time again. You ripped him this offseason and yet he keeps producing. Unless you think his .930 ops somehow isn't doing the job. Maybe you want Austin and his .750 something up here.

Maybe he can keep it up, he does have incredible potential. The point you're missing is that the odds are against him continuing the way he is without improving his on base skills. Again, maybe he can but he'd be a historical abnormality if he does. Couple that with the fact that he is a truly horrible outfielder and I think you have to consider trading him if you can get a good return.

I don't disagree that he is outperforming Kearns, and if Kearns doesn't get better he may not be a long term solution either.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 01:55 AM
Plus fastball, plus curve (needs to hone control), solid change. He's got the making's of a good #3, maybe better dependent on the heater. He was a baby for his level at both stops in A ball and in AA and he managed to put up power pitcher numbers.

And I must have been on another board when Claussen was being roundly impugned. I remember after the Reds got him the few who dared to argue that he was a solid, but not great pitching prospect who'd need years to round into form got blasted for saying so. Wainwright's a better prospect because he's got a third pitch and, from what I understand, his injury didn't take away as much as Claussen's did (he's never recovered the A slider).

One thing I noted when I was doing research on Wainwright is that he's got a partial ligament tear in his elbow that he didn't go under the knife to correct.

That scares me enough to eliminate him as a target and I have little doubt that the injury is impacting his numbers this season. Eventually, I suggest that he'll need surgery to correct the ligament issue and it's very possible that scared the A's off of him this offseason because Wainwright- not Haren- put up the better minor league numbers to that point.

Anthony Reyes is the only high-level SP prospect I want right now from the Cards in any deal involving Kearns or Pena. But I've also noted that Reyes was on the DL last year at Palm Beach and skipped a start mid-June because of a "tired arm".

IMHO, Reyes is less "iffy" right now than Wainwright and, after what happened with Claussen, I wouldn't touch the guy. I would go after Reyes, but only if there was another high-level prospect involved.

Jpup
07-04-2005, 02:05 AM
One thing I noted when I was doing research on Wainwright is that he's got a partial ligament tear in his elbow that he didn't go under the knife to correct.

That scares me enough to eliminate him as a target and I have little doubt that the injury is impacting his numbers this season. Eventually, I suggest that he'll need surgery to correct the ligament issue and it's very possible that scared the A's off of him this offseason because Wainwright- not Haren- put up the better minor league numbers to that point.

Anthony Reyes is the only high-level SP prospect I want right now from the Cards in any deal involving Kearns or Pena. But I've also noted that Reyes was on the DL last year at Palm Beach and skipped a start mid-June because of a "tired arm".

IMHO, Reyes is less "iffy" right now than Wainwright and, after what happened with Claussen, I wouldn't touch the guy. I would go after Reyes, but only if there was another high-level prospect involved.

good post. i really would rather not trade for anyone with arm problems. :thumbup:

M2
07-04-2005, 02:07 AM
One thing I noted when I was doing research on Wainwright is that he's got a partial ligament tear in his elbow that he didn't go under the knife to correct.

That scares me enough to eliminate him as a target and I have little doubt that the injury is impacting his numbers this season. Eventually, I suggest that he'll need surgery to correct the ligament issue and it's very possible that scared the A's off of him this offseason because Wainwright- not Haren- put up the better minor league numbers to that point.

Anthony Reyes is the only high-level SP prospect I want right now from the Cards in any deal involving Kearns or Pena. But I've also noted that Reyes was on the DL last year at Palm Beach and skipped a start mid-June because of a "tired arm".

IMHO, Reyes is less "iffy" right now than Wainwright and, after what happened with Claussen, I wouldn't touch the guy. I would go after Reyes, but only if there was another high-level prospect involved.

The lig issue is something I'd certainly want a doctor to comment upon were I talking trade with the Birds. I thought it was odd he didn't get the TJ surgery last year. I figure the Cardinals made one of two choices - 1) Their interests in him are short-term and the ligament wouldn't affect that, 2) The ligament wasn't a big deal.

Obviously St. Louis will insist it's the second one.

REDREAD
07-04-2005, 02:23 AM
Oh I agree, I could easily see Dunn go for a prospect of lesser status than Reyes. Jocketty vs O'Brien is not exactly a matchup in our favor.

Sadly I don't think DanO matches up well talentwise vs. any GM.

We hear stuff like the "Reds are looking for 2 teir one prospects or 3 teir two prospects".. I predict Dunn will be shipped somewhere for three mediocre pitching prospects. DanO will feel great that he "got 3 potential starting pitchers" without even realizing he got ripped off.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 02:24 AM
The lig issue is something I'd certainly want a doctor to comment upon were I talking trade with the Birds. I thought it was odd he didn't get the TJ surgery last year. I figure the Cardinals made one of two choices - 1) Their interests in him are short-term and the ligament wouldn't affect that, 2) The ligament wasn't a big deal.

Obviously St. Louis will insist it's the second one.

Yeah, I'd definitely want a doctor's opinion but I also remember what the docs told the Reds about Paul Wilson before they gave him millions after last season.

Right now I absolutely believe that St. Louis would like to pass of Wainwright as a healthy arm, but I view him as an extreme risk at this point. He was easily the #1 guy the Cards received for J.D. Drew but at this point I'd actually be more comfortable if he'd had surgery to repair the damage. That being said, I think we were somewhat fooled by the idea that everyone comes back successfully from TJ surgery when the Reds dealt for Claussen.

If the Cards don't want to give up Reyes and another high-level guy for either Pena or Kearns, I just move on to a team that has talent to burn with fewer warts.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2005, 03:24 AM
Saw this on stlouissportsforum.


Memphis radio reported tonight after the Redbirds game that the Reds have scouted both Reyes and Wainwright. They said the Reds would probably take Wainwright in a deal for Adam Dunn, who the Cardinals are interested in, and a couple other players, not named Reyes.

http://www.stlouissportsforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21019

MattyHo4Life
07-05-2005, 09:11 AM
If the Cards don't want to give up Reyes and another high-level guy for either Pena or Kearns, I just move on to a team that has talent to burn with fewer warts.

I don't think there is any way that the Cards would trade Reyes alone for either Kearns or Pena let alone adding another prospect. Dunn maybe, but not for Kearns or Pena.

smith288
07-05-2005, 09:51 AM
Kearns earned himself a lower level prospect if we traded him (due to his twinkie physique and low numbers) but Pena and Dunn demand much higher than names not Reyes. Pena has a ceiling nobody can determine and Dunn, well, we know his story. If a team wants either of these players, they will have to perform a prison posture (excuse the visual) to get one of them.