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Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:10 PM
Jack Taschner is the new pitcher

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:10 PM
Just so you know, Pena hit his homerun on the first pitch and you didn't seem to have a problem then. All I ask is for consistency.

Pena is in his 2nd season of significant major league action. Casey has been doing this for almost a decade.

Casey should have developed better plate discipline by this point.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:11 PM
If Sean Casey played video games, he'd be what we used to refer to as a "Button Masher," back in the days of Street Fighter II.

Right now, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a worse approach from a .300 hitter. Ever.

I'm just pretty stinkin' disappointed with Casey's performance level right now. I had hoped that last season was a turning point instead of a last hurrah for the guy's game. He does go "bad half/good half" though so I can only hope that he dramatically turns things around in the 2nd half because the Reds do need his 2004 production level.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:13 PM
Pena is in his 2nd season of significant major league action. Casey has been doing this for almost a decade.

Casey should have developed better plate discipline by this point.

So you are allowed to excuse those that are younger?? If I were to actually believe that then I wouldn't here the constant crticism of Pena.

My point is if Casey hit a first pitch homerun then I guarantee you there would be no dismay over his approach at the plate.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:14 PM
We finally got a good call over a borderline pitch.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:15 PM
Dunn forces a wild pitch :D

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:15 PM
Wild pitch. Tie game 8-8.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:15 PM
Just so you know, Pena hit his homerun on the first pitch and you didn't seem to have a problem then. All I ask is for consistency.

Casey swung at a pitch he couldn't do anything with after the reliever walked Rich Aurilia on five pitches.

I've never required a hitter to look at the first pitch every time up regardless of situation. But Casey should have known better.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:15 PM
A passed ball run. Gotta love the freebies.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:16 PM
Dunn walks. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-04-2005, 06:16 PM
Great atbat by Dunn.

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:16 PM
So you are allowed to excuse those that are younger?? If I were to actually believe that then I wouldn't here the constant crticism of Pena.

My point is if Casey hit a first pitch homerun then I guarantee you there would be no dismay over his approach at the plate.

I was talking about this earlier in the game, and Steel summarized it very nicely in his post above: I have never seen a .300 hitter with a worse approach at the place than Sean Casey this year.

If you watch his ABs, he makes bonehead decisions. He'll go hacking at a first pitch right after a walk instead of forcing the pitcher to throw strikes. Teams pitch him to induce ground-ball contact and yet he has not altered his approach at the plate to compensate. He'll keep hitting weakly to 2B and 1B until he starts going to school on himself and how people are pitching him and then go up the plate with some semblence of a plan (be more pitch selective, whatever...)

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:17 PM
LaTroy Hawkins coming in to pitch.

RFS62
07-04-2005, 06:17 PM
Right now, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a worse approach from a .300 hitter. Ever.

I'm just pretty stinkin' disappointed with Casey's performance level right now. I had hoped that last season was a turning point instead of a last hurrah for the guy's game. He does go "bad half/good half" though so I can only hope that he dramatically turns things around in the 2nd half because the Reds do need his 2004 production level.



His mental game appears to have really regressed.

He's a very strange bird. He can get the bat on nearly anything in the area of the strike zone. But he shouldn't. He doesn't get his pitch, he hits the first thing close.

Last year his stroke was much more disciplined in the first half. This year, it looks like he's trying too hard to make something happen.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:19 PM
Casey swung at a pitch he couldn't do anything with after the reliever walked Rich Aurilia on five pitches.

I've never required a hitter to look at the first pitch every time up regardless of situation. But Casey should have known better.

That's not really what you said the first time though. You seemed more angry just over the fact that he had swung at the first pitch regardless of the situation.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:20 PM
His mental game appears to have really regressed.

He's a very strange bird. He can get the bat on nearly anything in the area of the strike zone. But he shouldn't. He doesn't get his pitch, he hits the first thing close.

Last year his stroke was much more disciplined in the first half. This year, it looks like he's trying too hard to make something happen.

That's the thing that's so frustrating with Casey. I'm fully on board with a guy like him protecting the plate with two strikes.

But that's the approach he has at the plate from pitch one this season. Anything he can make contact with he swings at even though, as Caveat noted, the pitches he's getting are designed to make him fail.

He's going to get his singles and he'll have a .300+ BA because of his ability to make contact, but his inability to adjust to the current "book" on him is absolutely destroying his SLG. It's really sad to watch because I know he's smarter than that.

Chip R
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
My point is if Casey hit a first pitch homerun then I guarantee you there would be no dismay over his approach at the plate.I'd be glad to see Casey hit a HR, first pitch or not.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
That's not really what you said the first time though. You seemed more angry just over the fact that he had swung at the first pitch regardless of the situation.

The reason I made the comment was because of the situation (previous hitter and pitch). My apologies for not explaining that better when I first posted.

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
close call. :eek:

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Last year his stroke was much more disciplined in the first half. This year, it looks like he's trying too hard to make something happen.

This has me thinking, could he be trying too hard because the team is tanking? I wonder what his numbers were like last year when the Reds fell apart.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Encarnacion Walks. Bases loaded.

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
bases loaded, 2 out for Larue.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Encarnacion walks. Bases loaded for Larue.

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:22 PM
that was a high ball. :help:

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:22 PM
Jeez this ump is horrible, but Larue overcomes and DOUBLES IN THREE!!!!

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
ooh, double, 3 runs.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
Larue doubles in 3 runs. 11-8 Reds!!!

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
WOOOO! 11-8 good guys

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
One more run for the 12 run plan ;)

BoydsOfSummer
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
La-Roooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

Matt700wlw
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
Good game for Larue

RosieRed
07-04-2005, 06:23 PM
LaRue en fuego today! :party:

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:24 PM
why is Wagner hitting?

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:24 PM
If you watch his ABs, he makes bonehead decisions. He'll go hacking at a first pitch right after a walk instead of forcing the pitcher to throw strikes. Teams pitch him to induce ground-ball contact and yet he has not altered his approach at the plate to compensate. He'll keep hitting weakly to 2B and 1B until he starts going to school on himself and how people are pitching him and then go up the plate with some semblence of a plan (be more pitch selective, whatever...)

If you ask me Pena has a far worse approach than Casey.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:24 PM
And now Wagner hits for himself. Ohhhh...kay....

RosieRed
07-04-2005, 06:24 PM
One more run for the 12 run plan ;)

:beerme:

'Cept they might want to get a few more than that today ... the pitching still has quite a few innings to go. :help:

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Whelllll...I'd like my crow fried on hating the Jason LaRue re-signing. :thumbup:

RFS62
07-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Rosie, I don't think 12 will win this one.

Jpup
07-04-2005, 06:25 PM
the boo birds are out in Frisco. :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Wagner strikes out. 11-8 Reds mid 6th.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:26 PM
6 RBI's for LaRue. Not bad for a guy who could easily be replaced by the likes of Valentine and Sardhinia.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:26 PM
Rosie, I don't think 12 will win this one.

It's a start :D

Reds Nd2
07-04-2005, 06:27 PM
All of the Reds runs today, with the exception of Griffey's HR and LaRue's sac fly, have come with two outs in the inning.

red-in-la
07-04-2005, 06:28 PM
Doesn't change my opinion of LaRue at all. Good to see him finally get some meaningful hits.....just remember that the Reds are playing a team not much better than themselves at this point.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:28 PM
Despite the HR, Wagner has looked fairly sharp today.

Cyclone792
07-04-2005, 06:28 PM
A quick glance at Sean Casey ...



2005 salary $7.80 million
RC 38.38
RC/27 4.49
LgRC/27 4.77
RQ (RC/27/LgRC/27) 0.94
Park Adjusted RQ 0.89


So after adjusting for park, Sean Casey is 11 percent worse than the average ML hitter. And to think he's our 31-year-old first baseman batting in the three hole and making $7.8 million this season ...

:barf:

FWIW, Jason LaRue now has a park adjusted RQ of 1.12. So yes, Jason LaRue has been a significantly more productive hitter than Sean Casey so far this season.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:28 PM
Doesn't change my opinion of LaRue at all. Good to see him finally get some meaningful hits.....just remember that the Reds are playing a team not much better than themselves at this point.

Love em' or hate em' he has the best stats of any catcher in the NL.

pedro
07-04-2005, 06:29 PM
The Reds shouldn't let EE bat next to Dunn. Looks like he's catching "softwalkitus'

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:29 PM
Despite the HR, Wagner has looked fairly sharp today.

Despite missing a head that girl was hot!

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:29 PM
Sanchez grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Puffy
07-04-2005, 06:30 PM
Looks like he's catching "softwalkitus'

That will go away with some topical cream.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:30 PM
Doesn't change my opinion of LaRue at all. Good to see him finally get some meaningful hits.....just remember that the Reds are playing a team not much better than themselves at this point.

Finally?

Jason Larue 2005:

Runners On: .324 BA/.437 OBP/.521 SLG

He's been a monster all year in "meaningful" situations.

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:30 PM
Doesn't change my opinion of LaRue at all. Good to see him finally get some meaningful hits.....just remember that the Reds are playing a team not much better than themselves at this point.

LaRue isn't a great catcher, but his numbers have been on the rise and he's very much a known commodity behind the plate, as opposed to Valentin where you really don't know what you're getting night in and night out.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:31 PM
Despite missing a head that girl was hot!

I'm more or less saying that he has looked better then his stats would indicate and maybe this outing will get him going on the right path.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:32 PM
I'm more or less saying that he has looked better then his stats would indicate and maybe this outing will get him going on the right path.

He was rushed to majors and has been Reith-ed. I'd be real surprised if he ever makes much of a MLB impact at this point.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:32 PM
Tucker doubles.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:32 PM
Well he has still looked better than usual IMO.

Newport Red
07-04-2005, 06:32 PM
That will go away with some topical cream.

I think BALCO is right down the street from the stadium.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:33 PM
Tucker will be playing till he's 50

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:33 PM
Wagner just threw a pitch at 94 MPH.

Really.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:34 PM
Vizquel strikes out looking. 2 outs.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:34 PM
He was rushed to majors and has been Reith-ed. I'd be real surprised if he ever makes much of a MLB impact at this point.

I disagree. I think he will eventually put all of the pieces together since he does still throw with good stuff.

And just for the record another player that was Reith-ed like Wagner was Chad Cordero of the Nats.

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:34 PM
Wagner just threw a pitch at 94 MPH.

Really.

Well, this IS the ballpark for mysterious jumps in talent and physical strength...

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:35 PM
I disagree. I think he will eventually put all of the pieces together since he does still throw with good stuff.

And jsut for the record another player that was Reith-ed like Wagner was Chad Cordero of the Nats.

Wagner hasn't the pedigree of Cordero--nor the heat, frankly.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:35 PM
Snow doubles. 11-9

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:35 PM
Well, this IS the ballpark for mysterious jumps in talent and physical strength...
Something in the water maybe? :D

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:35 PM
And then Snow doubles. 11-9.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:35 PM
We're gonna need more runs.

Cyclone792
07-04-2005, 06:36 PM
Today's lineup ...



Player RC/27 RQ PaRQ
Lopez 7.55 1.58 1.50
Aurilia 4.47 0.94 0.89
Casey 4.47 0.94 0.89
Griffey 6.71 1.41 1.33
Pena 7.95 1.67 1.58
Dunn 8.42 1.77 1.67
Encarnacion excluded due to small sample size
LaRue 5.65 1.19 1.12


Gotta love it when your two least productive hitters - without question - are hitting second and third ...

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:36 PM
Wagner hasn't the pedigree of Cordero--nor the heat, frankly.

He was always ranked higher then him until Cordero started having success in the big leagues.

Also Wagner could very well have a similar future to Cordero.

Puffy
07-04-2005, 06:37 PM
Wagner just threw a pitch at 94 MPH.

Really.

I think that when they fire O'Brien (please, please, please) the first question they should ask is are you going to keep the pitch to contact mantra - if the answer is yes, thank them and show them the door. If the answer is no, continue interview.

I am convinced that arm strength has been hampered on every individual in the Reds organization because of this stupid take something off your fastball to induce contact. Not to mention forcing most everyone to adopt the two seamer for the desired sink at the behest of mph.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:38 PM
The constant shots of Alous hands are creeping me out

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:38 PM
He was always ranked higher then him until Cordero started having success in the big leagues.

Also Wagner could very well have a similar future to Cordero.

I'm not saying Wagner's talentless--guys with 91 MPH fastballs have a future. But you're seeing what happens to rush jobs--returning with shellshock is much harder than slowly making your way to the bigs, dominating each level as you go.

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:38 PM
He was always ranked higher then him until Cordero started having success in the big leagues.

Also Wagner could very well have a similar future to Cordero.

Closing for a winning team...? :laugh:

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:38 PM
I think that when they fire O'Brien (please, please, please) the first question they should ask is are you going to keep the pitch to contact mantra - if the answer is yes, thank them and show them the door. If the answer is no, continue interview.


Then I'm guessing you wont be banging on Krivsky's door.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:38 PM
Alou walks. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:39 PM
I am convinced that arm strength has been hampered on every individual in the Reds organization because of this stupid take something off your fastball to induce contact. Not to mention forcing most everyone to adopt the two seamer for the desired sink at the behest of mph.

My biggest fear is going to be some of these kids aren't going to be able to get that arm strength back and we've toasted some great potential arms

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:40 PM
I'm not saying Wagner's talentless--guys with 91 MPH fastballs have a future. But you're seeing what happens to rush jobs--returning with shellshock is much harder than slowly making your way to the bigs, dominating each level as you go.

Cordero was rushed just like Wagner at the exact same time so I'm guessing that rushing players is only bad when it fails by hindsight.

Puffy
07-04-2005, 06:40 PM
Then I'm guessing you wont be banging on Krivsky's door.

Not my first choice, no. Although anyone short of Scott Layden (former NY Knicks GM) would be better than O'Brien.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:40 PM
Weathers up in the pen

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Great play by Lopez.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Lopez with a great play ranging behind the bag to get the third out. Whew.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Durham grounds out to short. 11-9 Reds after 6.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Cordero was rushed just like Wagner at the exact same time so I'm guessing that rushing players is only bad when it fails by hindsight.

It fails when it fails. It shouldn't take an organization watching a kid get pummeled night in and night out for two months now to figure somethin' ain't right.

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
"The Reds All-Star Shortstop..."

Man, does that ever feel wonderous on the ears. :beerme:

RFS62
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Wow, great play by Lopez. Aurilia wouldn't have got that ball if he was on a moped.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:43 PM
Scott Munter in to pitch.

MWM
07-04-2005, 06:44 PM
Cordero was rushed just like Wagner at the exact same time so I'm guessing that rushing players is only bad when it fails by hindsight.

NOt the same. You can't tell in the same year. Wait until the next couple of years.

I was just sitting there commenting to my dad that one of these days we're going to look back on Ryan Wagner and wonder what might have been if he'd have been given a chance to develop in the minors. You've got to have more than one pitch to succeed in the majors. And some on this board were saying this all along, so it isn't just hindsight.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:44 PM
Lopez lines out to center. 1 out.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:45 PM
It fails when it fails. It shouldn't take an organization watching a kid get pummeled night in and night out for two months now to figure somethin' ain't right.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I would like to see him sort his troubles out in the minors for a little while.

My point is that rushing him to the majors wan't that bad of a choice. He did have success for a little while which ended up with most posters clamouring for him to be the new closer. Obviously it hasn't worked out well but I have no doubts that he was reasy when he first came up.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:47 PM
Aurilia lines out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:47 PM
I'm not disagreeing with that. I would like to see him sort his troubles out in the minors for a little while.

My point is that rushing him to the majors wan't that bad of a choice. He did have success for a little while which ended up with most posters clamouring for him to be the new closer. Obviously it hasn't worked out well but I have no doubts that he was reasy when he first came up.

I made no such clamor for that. Check the archives. I've always considered Wagner a bit of a suspect--he's never kicked the door down for more than a couple of weeks in his major league career.

Cordero kicked the door down, shot up the place, found their families and shot them.

MWM
07-04-2005, 06:48 PM
Having success when your first called up does not mean being called up that soon was a good decision. A lot of guys in the minors could come up and have some success right away, especially pitchers. It's what happens the following two years that matters in evaluating whether it was a good decision or not.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:48 PM
And some on this board were saying this all along, so it isn't just hindsight.

I'm not sure about that one I'll have to do some research.

If my memory serves me correct the general consencus was that Wagner was nothing short of god and should have been the closer in his second year in the bigs. I don't remmber many people saying it was a poor decision to bring him up to the majors but I could be wrong on that one.

TeamCasey
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
WHY oh why couldn't this be the game that I sweltered in on Saturday?

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
I'm not disagreeing with that. I would like to see him sort his troubles out in the minors for a little while.

My point is that rushing him to the majors wan't that bad of a choice. He did have success for a little while which ended up with most posters clamouring for him to be the new closer. Obviously it hasn't worked out well but I have no doubts that he was reasy when he first came up.

We, as fans, are too quick to leap on successes and failures in baseball.

With Ryan Wagner, he had initial success because people hadn't seen him pitch before. Now that the book is out on Wagner, he has been unable to make adjustments in his pitching style, delivery and pitch slection in order to stay ahead of the hitters. Many of these problems would've been ironed out in a few trips around the minor league circuit and he would've been forced to learn new skills that would enable him to compensate for hitters doing things like waiting on the fastball and laying off his slider.

Since he never spent time in the minors, he never was forced to develop these skills. Now he is in the majors and it is probably too late for him to learn these things.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
Casey grounds out to 1st. 11-9 Reds mid 7th.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
I made no such clamor for that. Check the archives. I've always considered Wagner a bit of a suspect--he's never kicked the door down for more than a couple of weeks in his major league career.

Cordero kicked the door down, shot up the place, found their families and shot them.

I never said you personally did but I do know for sure that there were many that wanted him up when he was.

MWM
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
I thought he should have been the closer this year earlier when he was mowing them down. And I don't remember what I said on this board way back when, but I've always thought he should have been given some time to develop in the minors.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 06:50 PM
WHY oh why couldn't this be the game that I sweltered in on Saturday?
Just travel to San Fran next time TC ;)

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:51 PM
Having success when your first called up does not mean being called up that soon was a good decision. A lot of guys in the minors could come up and have some success right away, especially pitchers. It's what happens the following two years that matters in evaluating whether it was a good decision or not.

I'm not neccessarily suggesting otherwise but what I am saying is that there seems to be a lot of second guessers now a day's that were at one point supporters.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:52 PM
Weathers in to pitch.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:52 PM
I'm not neccessarily suggesting otherwise but what I am saying is that there seems to be a lot of second guessers now a day's that were at one point supporters.

No doubt. There was a lot of kneejerk coronation going on. But there were a lot of dissenters and doubters, too.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:52 PM
Since he never spent time in the minors, he never was forced to develop these skills. Now he is in the majors and it is probably too late for him to learn these things.

I think he could easily learn these things if they sent him to the minors in the near future.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:54 PM
Cruz flies out to center. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:55 PM
Ellison grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:55 PM
Nice play by Casey on a diving stab and toss to Weathers for the 2nd Out.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:56 PM
Easy inning for Weathers.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:56 PM
Torrealba runs into his own bunt and is out. 11-9 Reds after 7.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 06:57 PM
Torrealba bunts but runs into the ball in fair territory and gets called Out. Three down.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 06:57 PM
I sure hope the reins will fall in Kullman's lap (if not, then someone even better) when DanO gets canned.

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 06:58 PM
So who do you think gets the save opp. assuming we get the chance?

I think Merker pitches the 8th since there are a couple of lefties due up soon.

I'm guessing Belisle gets the chance rather than Merker going two innings.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 06:59 PM
Scott Eyre in to pitch.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:00 PM
And, in other news, Scott Olsen making me look like a fantasy genius so far today through 4 against Milwaukee (2 Hits, 2 BB, 6 K).

And Brandon Webb making me look stupid for starting him against the Cards with four earnies through 3 IP. Ugh.

BTW, for those in leagues that look at Outs and Earnies only, Chris Ray (Baltimore) is my rookie reliever de jour. Take a gander at him.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:01 PM
Junior flies out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Pena just missed a HR foul down the right field line.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Pena strikes out. 2 outs.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:04 PM
Pena K's after hitting a really really long foul ball. Two down.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:06 PM
Not a strike.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:06 PM
Dunn strikes out. 11-9 Reds mid 8th.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:09 PM
Niekro grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:10 PM
Tucker strikes out looking. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 07:12 PM
Tucker strikes out looking. 2 outs.

I used to have a nickname for Michael Tucker when he was with the Braves, and it rhymed with.....

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:12 PM
Vizquel flies out to right. 11-9 Reds after 8.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:13 PM
Jason Christiansen in to pitch.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Encarnacion singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:17 PM
Larue sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 1 out.

TeamBoone
07-04-2005, 07:18 PM
Edwin's had a good day; LaRue has had a GREAT day.

MWM
07-04-2005, 07:18 PM
What in the HELL is Narron thinking? Silly, just silly.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:18 PM
Randa pinch hitting for Weathers pops out to 2nd. 2 outs.

TeamBoone
07-04-2005, 07:19 PM
What in the HELL is Narron thinking? Silly, just silly.

I'm not sure he is.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:20 PM
Lopez strikes out. 11-9 Reds mid 9th. Mercker coming in to pitch.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:22 PM
Still wish we had more runs

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:23 PM
Junior loses the ball in the sun and Feliz goes to 2nd.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:24 PM
Griffey loses the ball in the sun. Runner on 2nd. None out. Yikes.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:25 PM
Ground rule double 11-10

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:25 PM
Alou hits a ground rule double to center. 11-10.

NJReds
07-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Jr.'s having a rough inning. He should have caught both balls.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Ground rule double by Alou over Griffey's head. Feliz scores. 11-10 Reds.

RFS62
07-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Wow

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Belisle coming in to pitch.

RosieRed
07-04-2005, 07:26 PM
:help:

MWM
07-04-2005, 07:27 PM
It's a good thing Larue wasn't allowed to hit in the 9th. He's pretty cold right now.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:27 PM
I don't think he could have caught the 2nd one.

We needed more runs.

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:30 PM
Durham grounds out to 1st. Good play by Casey. Runner goes to 3rd. 1 out.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Wow..sure glad he swung at that pitch

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Cruz pops out to Lopez who makes an over the shoulder catch. 2 outs.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Lopez makes an EXCELLENT play going over-the-shoulder on a ball popped straight up into the sun. Wow.

RFS62
07-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Wow, that sun is tough right now

NJReds
07-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Nice play by Lopez...but I wasn't so sure he was going to catch that pop-up, either.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:32 PM
Belisle cranking it up to 94-95 MPH.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:32 PM
WOOHOO! Reds win :clap:

kyred14
07-04-2005, 07:32 PM
Lopez Is Da' Man!!!

Reds Fanatic
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
Good play by Lopez. Ellison grounds out to short. Reds win 11-10!!

RFS62
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
Lopez is the man.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
Matt with his first ever save..go Matt :)

LvJ
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
Matt's been our best bullpener. :)

NJReds
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
LOPEZ...BELISLE... :beerme:

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
WOW. Lopez with ANOTHER tremendous play throwing out Ellison after fielding a high chopper. Lopez had ZERO time to get that throw to Casey and still beat Ellison by a step.

Reds Win. Whew.

kyred14
07-04-2005, 07:33 PM
I know it is only one game, but could Belisle be the new closer?

CTA513
07-04-2005, 07:35 PM
Its good to start off a road series with a win... even though it wasnt an easy one.

Great job by Belsile & Lopez to get the last 2 outs.

RosieRed
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
That game left me exhausted. Glad to see a win though. Great job by Lopez, LaRue and Belisle. :party:

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I just realized how sad it is to be so amazed by a 95 MPH fastball from a pitcher on my favorite team.

Sigh...

WVRedsFan
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I know it is only one game, but could Belisle be the new closer?

I really hope not for any number of reasons including we need far more innings from him than one once in awhile.

CTA513
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I know it is only one game, but could Belisle be the new closer?

I was thinking the same thing, but Id like to see him get a few more starts before he stays in the bullpen.

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I think the Reds need MB more in the middle innings (beacuse of these awful starters) I think until/if Weathers is traded....he should still close but maybe he has a future there. I still think he would be a starter if given the chance.

Chip R
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
Matt's been our best bullpener. :)That's not saying a lot. But he has pitched well lately and, with a few exceptions, all year.

SteelSD
07-04-2005, 07:38 PM
Ok. The Giants announcers are too whiney for words.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 07:39 PM
Ok. The Giants announcers are too whiney for words.
Boo em ;)

Reds Nd2
07-04-2005, 07:45 PM
I just realized how sad it is to be so amazed by a 95 MPH fastball from a pitcher on my favorite team.

Sigh...

I was going to give you a few minutes to get over the shock before I mentioned it. ;)

LvJ
07-04-2005, 07:46 PM
LaRue has a .353 OBP and a .800 OPS :dancingco

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 07:48 PM
I know it is only one game, but could Belisle be the new closer?

Quite the opposite...I like him pitching out of the bullpen this year in the swingman role and then competing for a spot in the rotation next spring.

Get him seasoned out of the pen, then turn him loose next year.

Reds Nd2
07-04-2005, 07:48 PM
Matt with his first ever save..go Matt :)

I'm not sure you can trust anyone named Matt. ;)

Caveat Emperor
07-04-2005, 07:52 PM
I'm not sure you can trust anyone named Matt. ;)

As an individual so named, you can go ahead and :mooner: ...well, you get the idea.

:thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
07-04-2005, 07:53 PM
LaRue has a .353 OBP and a .800 OPS :dancingco

Seven of the Reds eight starters are OPSing over .800

Freel-.809, Lopez-.924, Griffey-.861, Dunn-.950, Randa-.867, Pena-.947 and LaRue-.800

Casey sits at .752

Reds Nd2
07-04-2005, 07:54 PM
As an individual so named, you can go ahead and :mooner: ...well, you get the idea.

:thumbup:

Ooops. :beerme:

Jpup
07-04-2005, 08:11 PM
i told you the Reds would win. :D

LvJ
07-04-2005, 08:14 PM
Seven of the Reds eight starters are OPSing over .800

Freel-.809, Lopez-.924, Griffey-.861, Dunn-.950, Randa-.867, Pena-.947 and LaRue-.800

Casey sits at .752 Crazy :notworthy

LaRue has really turned it around this season. Hope he keeps it up. :thumbup:

Patrick Bateman
07-04-2005, 08:16 PM
Seven of the Reds eight starters are OPSing over .800

Freel-.809, Lopez-.924, Griffey-.861, Dunn-.950, Randa-.867, Pena-.947 and LaRue-.800

Casey sits at .752

Yet many say this team is devoid of talent.

It's the pitching.

KronoRed
07-04-2005, 08:24 PM
As an individual so named, you can go ahead and :mooner: ...well, you get the idea.

:thumbup:

Matts rock..and we're all over this forum :evil:

RedsBaron
07-04-2005, 08:40 PM
Seven of the Reds eight starters are OPSing over .800

Freel-.809, Lopez-.924, Griffey-.861, Dunn-.950, Randa-.867, Pena-.947 and LaRue-.800

Casey sits at .752
The one guy with an OPS under .800 is the guy batting third in the lineup. :bang:

Falls City Beer
07-04-2005, 08:42 PM
Can the Reds declare their Independence from Casey?

Ba-doom--crash!

Marc D
07-04-2005, 09:54 PM
Seven of the Reds eight starters are OPSing over .800

Freel-.809, Lopez-.924, Griffey-.861, Dunn-.950, Randa-.867, Pena-.947 and LaRue-.800

Casey sits at .752

Even more impressive when you consider there's only 20-25 guys in the NL with a .900+ OPS and we have 3 of them in our everyday lineup.

The fact no one in the Reds organization is smart enough to let them hit in the middle of the order is equally impressive, just in a whole other way.

You just know that the guy who cut Jordan from the 8th grade basketball team is a consultant to this franchise at some level...he just has to be.