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Buckeye33
07-07-2005, 08:43 PM
Reds:

1. Lopez SS
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Casey 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Randa 3B
6. Dunn LF
7. Pena RF
8. LaRue C
9. Harang P

Giants:

1. Ellison CF
2. Vizquel SS
3. Snow 1B
4. Alou LF
5. Tucker RF
6. Cruz 2B
7. Feliz 3B
8. Matheny C
9. Tomko P

I guess Narron didn't like having a .400 OBP in the 2 hole against righties. Casey's is hot right now, but still should not be in the 3 hole.

Cyclone792
07-07-2005, 08:45 PM
The two worst hitters starting are batting 2nd and 3rd in the lineup ... again.

Figures :barf:

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 08:46 PM
Anybody have the stats on how Lopez does when batting in front of Aurillia v. batting in front of Dunn? It seems to me, anecodotally, that he has a lot of 0-fers and 1-fers with Dunn behind him, but a lot of 2 and 3 hit games with Rich behind him.

That, if true, both confuses and irks me.

pedro
07-07-2005, 08:49 PM
FWIW Aurilia and Casey OWN Tomko and Dunn is hitting .182 off him.

Dunn does have 2 HR's against Tomko in 11 AB's though.

traderumor
07-07-2005, 09:20 PM
Names out of a hat every night.

KronoRed
07-07-2005, 09:27 PM
*shrug*

I knew Dunn in the 2 spot was fleeting ;)

pedro
07-07-2005, 09:29 PM
It looks to me that Narron *may* be looking at batter vs. pitcher stats in his lineup construction.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 09:30 PM
I guess Dunn's .538 OBP in the two slot isn't good enough.

Jpup
07-07-2005, 09:52 PM
I guess Dunn's .538 OBP in the two slot isn't good enough.

Those two RBIs last night didn't help either. :confused:

Reds1
07-07-2005, 09:57 PM
Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

SirFelixCat
07-07-2005, 10:03 PM
Gonna watch the game on TiVo after work tonight, so, this is my only check-in. Go Reds, and if what Caveat Emperor says is right....how odd, eh?

It does seem that Narron is looking at pitching/hitting matchups...really, he could do worse, IMO.

guttle11
07-07-2005, 10:13 PM
Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

DDN didnt show it

Buckeye33
07-07-2005, 10:14 PM
Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

It's not listed on my cable guide here in Columbus. :(

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 10:16 PM
Anybody have the stats on how Lopez does when batting in front of Aurillia v. batting in front of Dunn? It seems to me, anecodotally, that he has a lot of 0-fers and 1-fers with Dunn behind him, but a lot of 2 and 3 hit games with Rich behind him.

That, if true, both confuses and irks me.

With Dunn hitting 2nd:

1st time: Lopez goes 3 for 3 with a walk
2nd time: Lopez goes 4 for 5; double shy of cycle
3rd time: Lopez goes 1 for 3 HBP
4th time: Lopez goes 0 for 4 walk

Total: 8 for 15(.553/.611).

KronoRed
07-07-2005, 10:16 PM
Not listed on FSN Cincy on DirecTV

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 10:25 PM
Tonight would be as good a night as any for Aaron to stop stinking.

RedsBaron
07-07-2005, 10:30 PM
With Dunn hitting 2nd:

1st time: Lopez goes 3 for 3 with a walk
2nd time: Lopez goes 4 for 5; double shy of cycle
3rd time: Lopez goes 1 for 3 HBP
4th time: Lopez goes 0 for 4 walk

Total: 8 for 15(.553/.611).
If that's the best he can do with Dunn batting behind him...... :bang:

RedsBaron
07-07-2005, 10:30 PM
Names out of a hat every night.
Except Casey's name always lands in the third slot. :bang:

flyer85
07-07-2005, 10:47 PM
Dunn was getting on base too much. Reds need a scrappy hitter in the two hole.

Narron is Miley Lite

flyer85
07-07-2005, 10:49 PM
Except Casey's name always lands in the third slot. :bang:A hitter with an OPS under 700 against RH pitching batting 3rd. I guess those numbers don't count

Raisor
07-07-2005, 10:49 PM
Dunn was getting on base too much. Reds need a scrappy hitter in the two hole.

Narron is Miley Lite

I think it might have been Miley being Narron-Lite.

kyred14
07-07-2005, 10:53 PM
A hitter with an OPS under 700 against RH pitching batting 3rd. I guess those numbers don't count

Casey fronts most people with his BA, but that stat is pathetic. How can you possibly continue to bat him third? :help:

Matt700wlw
07-07-2005, 10:56 PM
Unless the game is blacked out in your area...DTV users try channel 654

Raisor
07-07-2005, 10:57 PM
Casey


About a week into the season I predicted Casey would OPS sub 800 the first half of the season. I also predicted he'll OPS >900 the second half.

I'll stick to that for now.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2005, 11:00 PM
Unless the game is blacked out in your area...DTV users try channel 654

As it just did for me.... :rant:

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:02 PM
Casey fronts most people with his BA, but that stat is pathetic. How can you possibly continue to bat him third? :help:against RH ptiching Casey should be batting 7th. His 698 OPS defies description. A number only Castro could be proud of.

OPS against RH pitching
Lopez 980
Aurilia 705
Casey 698
Jr 863
Randa 882
Dunn 1022
Pena 802
Larue 819

2 worst hitters(by a lot are hitting 2nd and 3rd) should be batting 7th and 8th

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:04 PM
BTW, Josh Hall had another good outing. 6IP 5H 2ER 2BB 3K

He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:05 PM
Casey's gimmick is he goes on season long slumps and then season long hot streaks. Only deal is those "seasons" are never in the same season.

He'll streak from allstar break to allstar break.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 11:05 PM
He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

and no clue how easy his stuff is to hit.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:06 PM
I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

DoogMinAmo
07-07-2005, 11:06 PM
BTW, Josh Hall had another good outing. 6IP 5H 2ER 2BB 3K

He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

Hall, I sould like to give him the rest of the year to be successful, no matter what. I wouldn't even want to see a promotion to AAA. Next year he can sink or swim in the bigs. Kelly, OTOH, strikes me as a pitcher who has a track record of success, and would seem to gain the most and lose the least by a promotion. If Hudson had options, Kelly would be up and Luke sent down. But since he doesn't, we shall see neither.

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:19 PM
this organization is so completely lost it is impossible to describe

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

Puffy
07-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

WMR
07-07-2005, 11:21 PM
I hope he meant Major League, and not National League!!

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:21 PM
Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.Martyneeds to get Sean's RISP stat in front of him. Sean is clutch

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:21 PM
If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

Another weak ground ball from Sean Casey. His GB/FB ratio is almost an even 2 right now, whereas last year it was closer to 1.3.

He is not elevating pitches because he is being pitched to induce grounders, and he continues to help opposing pitchers by swinging at bad balls.

Aronchis
07-07-2005, 11:22 PM
I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

When the Reds traded for Casey, years like 99 or 04 I thought would be normal years for him, with some years Casey hitting something like 340 30 homers and 120RBI type years. He never has lived up to that potential I thought he had. But not many of the 97-99 group traded for/drafted have.

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:22 PM
Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.Since Monkeywicks is on the DL his competition is gone

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 11:22 PM
Casey has gone 116 atbats since hitting a homerun.

just sayin'

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:23 PM
Casey hits a Casey but is saved from being a CASEY by the fact that there were two outs already.

Casey saves the Casey for later.

rdiersin
07-07-2005, 11:23 PM
Hall, I sould like to give him the rest of the year to be successful, no matter what. I wouldn't even want to see a promotion to AAA. Next year he can sink or swim in the bigs. Kelly, OTOH, strikes me as a pitcher who has a track record of success, and would seem to gain the most and lose the least by a promotion. If Hudson had options, Kelly would be up and Luke sent down. But since he doesn't, we shall see neither.

I'm not sure. Kelly started out the year great, but in his last 8 starts he has this line

App IP TBF H ER HR SO BB
GS 6.7 31 11 5 1 6 1
GS 4.0 21 9 6 1 2 1
GS 8.0 29 6 1 0 4 2
GS 5.3 26 9 6 0 3 2
GS 6.0 24 5 1 1 3 2
GS 5.7 25 5 5 1 0 3
GS 3.3 21 8 8 0 3 2
GS 4.0 16 3 1 0 4 2
Total 43.0 193 56 33 4 25 15
Total Seaon 97.0 408 94 44 7 61 34

Also his Fielding Independent Pitching and K/9 aren't particularly great.


Pitcher IP ERA HR/9 K/9 BB/9 K/BB FIP GO/FO
Elizardo Ramirez 55.3 3.09 0.98 6.02 1.46 4.11 3.81 1.84
Steve Kelly 97.0 4.08 0.65 5.66 3.15 1.79 4.02 1.42

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:23 PM
Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

He hasnt had an RBI in 10 games and is batting .279 in that time span.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:24 PM
If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

He had a nice May... but June was atrocious. just seems familiar. During his strength rebuilding season of 2003 he had numbers like this some solid BA months, giving him decent OB numbers, and no power. Very similar to 2003 thus far.

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:24 PM
Booker last 2 nights

2IP 0H 0BB 5K

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:25 PM
Booker last 2 nights

2IP 0H 0BB 5K

To good to be a Reds pitcher.

;)

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:25 PM
Casey has gone 116 atbats since hitting a homerun.

just sayin'on a pace to hit 5

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:25 PM
If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:26 PM
Harang starts the game by striking out Ellison and Vizquel

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:26 PM
I didn't know JT Snow was still alive.

KronoRed
07-07-2005, 11:27 PM
He gave up switch hitting

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:28 PM
Junior bobbles the ball but holds on to make the catch. 0-0 after 1.

Aronchis
07-07-2005, 11:28 PM
If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...

Casey is quite moveable, though you aren't going to get a big return.

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:28 PM
If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...DanO mangled this offseason. His didn't just miss, his decisions were 180 degress off course. Every day he stays delays the potential recovery by 2

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:29 PM
I didn't know JT Snow was still alive.

I know that Snow is a slick fielder, and his batting average isn't too bad this year, but I still don't know why the Giants aren't playing Lance Niekro more. That kid is impressive!

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:29 PM
Due up: Griff, Randa, Dunn, Pena.

Pain, Randa, Pain, Pain.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 11:29 PM
on a pace to hit 5

On Tuesday, Kearns hit as many homeruns in one game as Casey has all year.

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:30 PM
On Tuesday, Kearns hit as many homeruns in one game as Casey has all year.Yeah but Sean is in top notch condition

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Junior doubles to right.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Yeah but Sean is in top notch condition

And he gives great hugs, the best in baseball I hear.

Cedric
07-07-2005, 11:32 PM
How is Randa not pain? He's mashing the ball this whole year. Just because DanO signed him doesn't mean he has to be bashed.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:32 PM
Randa lines into a double play as Junior gets caught off first. 2 outs.

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:32 PM
on a pace to hit 5

Dave Concepcion was good for five homers a year.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:32 PM
anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:33 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

I think he will be at or over .300 by the end of the season.

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
Dunn K's swinging at ball four. He's doing that a lot more lately trying to "protect" the plate. I'd rather he just Walk.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
The radar gun in SF must be the same one Roscoe P. Coltrane uses. Since when does Tomko hit 96?

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
Randa lines into a double play as Junior gets caught off first. 2 outs.

This team could find a way to make pizza and sex bad.

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:36 PM
Scary stat of the hour, Casey is on pace to create only about 5 more runs per 600 PA's then Aurilia.

Casey 71.12 per 600 PA
Aurilia 65.5 per 600 PA

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:36 PM
The radar gun in SF must be the same one Roscoe P. Coltrane uses. Since when does Tomko hit 96?

Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2005, 11:36 PM
Dunn has been getting in hitters counts lately(3-0, 3-1), and then striking out on bad pitches. Stop swinging at those pitches Adam!

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 11:37 PM
Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

Likewise, I'm sure.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:37 PM
Alou and Tucker fly out.

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:37 PM
"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

Useful in arbitration too. Let's not forget that. ;)

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 11:38 PM
I'll keep it simple: Tucker=mother.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:38 PM
Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

oh yeah...

Makes me wish the Reds played the Angels everytime Ortiz starts.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:38 PM
Lancaster's update. Kearns went 3 for 4 today and is now up to .362. Kenny Kelly went 3 for 3 in his first game of rehab. Keisler threw 2 shutout innings.

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:39 PM
Time: 10:38 PM

Jimmy Anderson Name Checks: 1
Rob Bell Name Checks: 1

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:39 PM
Likewise, I'm sure.

No doubt. If the Reds did the same thing with character evaluation the A's do for draft prospects, I have little doubt that they'd hang little "Tomkos" by names on the draft board.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:39 PM
Dunn drops an easy fly ball that would have ended the inning.

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:40 PM
Dunn.

Ugly. Griffey has good Inning. Dunn has bad Inning.

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:40 PM
"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

I still like batting average. It's like a comfortable pair of sneakers or an old pair of jeans. It's easy for me to work with. But I'm not one who would be "taken"--it is what it is.

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:40 PM
I bet BF glued a rock into Dunn's glove.

Raisor
07-07-2005, 11:42 PM
Great play by the Reds there..

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:42 PM
Larue starts to throw the runner out at 2nd but then Aurilia catches the runner off of third. Play goes 2-4-5. 0-0 after 2.

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:42 PM
And the Giants just gave us that Out back on a very very poor steal attempt in that situation. You just don't steal 2B when the 8 hitter is being pitched to.

Very very bad and thank you very much.

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:44 PM
And the Giants just gave us that Out back on a very very poor steal attempt in that situation. You just don't steal 2B when the 8 hitter is being pitched to.

Very very bad and thank you very much.

And...somewhere out there on the internet on "GiantsZone.com" (wherever it may be), a bunch of fans are going ballistic and wondering when ownership will step in and blow out the team's management as punishment for allowing such ineptitude. :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:45 PM
Pena pops out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:46 PM
Valentin flies out to short. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2005, 11:46 PM
And...somewhere out there on the internet on "GiantsZone.com" (wherever it may be), a bunch of fans are going ballistic and wondering when ownership will step in and blow out the team's management as punishment for allowing such ineptitude. :laugh:


http://www.giantszone.com/

Maybe...but for other reasons...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:47 PM
Tucker drops Harang's fly ball.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2005, 11:47 PM
This is some sloppy "professional" baseball...

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:48 PM
lol Tucker took fielding tips from Dunn.

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:48 PM
The past two games, the Giants have been busting Pena way up and in and Pena hasn't been able to lay off it.

And thanks, Michael Tucker. Now I can forget about Dunn's drop.

DoogMinAmo
07-07-2005, 11:48 PM
Maybe Mikey Tucker misses his buddies in Cincy?

flyer85
07-07-2005, 11:48 PM
must be something in the air

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:49 PM
Maybe Mikey Tucker misses his buddies in Cincy?

Nah.

He doesn't like Tomko either. ;)

SteelSD
07-07-2005, 11:50 PM
One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:50 PM
Lopez is doing a good job by making Tomko pitch after Tuckers error.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:50 PM
Lopez grounds into a fielder's choice. 0-0 mid 3rd.

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:51 PM
One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

Only if they give Harang a 80 foot head start.

;)

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:51 PM
One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

He didn't read "Moneyball" either ;)

DoogMinAmo
07-07-2005, 11:52 PM
One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

Are they serious? I would hope not, but I have not been able to watch/listen, so I do not know.

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:53 PM
must be something in the air

I can feel it coming in the air tonight...Oh Lord, Oh Lord!

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g404/g40452mwqe4.jpg

KronoRed
07-07-2005, 11:53 PM
These teams are stinky

Who will be the stinkiest? :D

Puffy
07-07-2005, 11:54 PM
http://www.giantszone.com/

Maybe...but for other reasons...

Yes! Go NY Football Giants!!!!!!!

Wooohoooooooooo.....................

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:54 PM
Matheny strikes out swinging. 1 out.

DoogMinAmo
07-07-2005, 11:55 PM
I think Aaron is happy June is gone, let's see if July will be better. I say yes, for the simple fact that it is national hot dog month. Let's see you try and make sense out of that.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2005, 11:55 PM
One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

"Harang's got a huuuuge lead over there at first..."

http://www.moviegoods.com/afi/actor_pics/frankie.jpg

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:56 PM
Tomko flies out to right. 2 outs.

Big Klu
07-07-2005, 11:56 PM
These teams are stinky

Who will be the stinkiest? :D


Hi-de-ho!

http://www.deeplake.com/southpark/mrhanky.gif

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2005, 11:57 PM
A big Thursday night Game Thread shout out to Hannibal, Birdman72, Grandpaw and txred, all reading the game thread and all have a post count of 0. :wave:

Why do I know this? Because my mind wanders when Steve Stewart takes the mic.

KronoRed
07-07-2005, 11:57 PM
I like Steve Stewert

:D

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2005, 11:57 PM
Ellison strikes out swinging. 4 K's for Harang. 0-0 after 3.

TRF
07-07-2005, 11:58 PM
Harangatang 3 IP, 4 K 35 pitches.

mmmmmmm harangalicous.

CTA513
07-07-2005, 11:58 PM
4 strikeouts? what are you doing Harang?

"PITCH TO CONTACT" or be fired!

;)

DoogMinAmo
07-07-2005, 11:59 PM
Harang is pitching like he is pissed off. Man, I wonder if it has to do with the lowsy run support he gets, and his resulting record.

Either way, I am calling a complete game for Aaron, the Reds are due.

RedsFan75
07-08-2005, 12:00 AM
Just heard on Baseball Tonight, that the Cubs sent Corey Patterson to the minors.

flyer85
07-08-2005, 12:00 AM
Cubs have sent Corey Patterson to AAA

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:00 AM
Harang is pitching like he is pissed off. Man, I wonder if it has to do with the lowsy run support he gets, and his resulting record.

Either way, I am calling a complete game for Aaron, the Reds are due.

or that he pitched crappy the month of June.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:01 AM
Aurilia fouls out to 3rd.
Casey flies out to center. 2 outs.

KronoRed
07-08-2005, 12:01 AM
Just heard on Baseball Tonight, that the Cubs sent Corey Patterson to the minors.
JR to Chicago? ;)

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:02 AM
Cubs have sent Corey Patterson to AAA

Cubs are copycats... sending Patterson to AAA because the Reds sent Kearns to AAA.

;)

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:03 AM
Junior singles to right. His 2nd hit of the night.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:04 AM
Randa triples to right center. 1-0 Reds.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:04 AM
Nice to see Junior hitting to all fields. All of them except center and left.

Was he always such a pull hitter?

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:04 AM
Randa triples, Griffey scores.

1-0 Reds.

:)

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:04 AM
Joe Randa increases his trade value and RBIs Ken Griffey Jr. in.

(Gotta prioritize in these Game Threads!)

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:05 AM
lol Steve said Griffey needs some oxygen after running from 1st to home.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:05 AM
Now that Dunn has a sac fly, do we care anymore if he does it again?

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:05 AM
Randa tripled?

tripled? Man is he going to look good in Dodger Blue.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:06 AM
Dunn walks. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

RedsFan75
07-08-2005, 12:06 AM
Naw I'd rather he homer... :D

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:06 AM
Now that Dunn has a sac fly, do we care anymore if he does it again?

It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:07 AM
It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

I blame Casey.

KronoRed
07-08-2005, 12:08 AM
It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

Casey could do it

;)

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:08 AM
Pena grounds out to the pitcher. 1-0 Reds mid 4th.

Puffy
07-08-2005, 12:08 AM
Dunn walks. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Adam!!!!

Thats a "soft" walk and like Twisted Sister says, We're not Gonna Take It

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:10 AM
Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:11 AM
Vizquel singles to right.

RFS62
07-08-2005, 12:11 AM
Aurilia motoring like a herd of turtles, decides not to dive and sully his uni.

Falls City Beer
07-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

Nope. Not till 2000.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Omar has about the same chance of stealing as Aurilia does, I hope Aaron is not pitching form the stretch.

Aronchis
07-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

I don't think it was. I thought it came into being around 2001, but whent the "reputation" system was added, I heard 2000 mentioned.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:13 AM
Nope. Not till 2000.

Is there a way to go back and look at some of the posts in 2000 and 2001? I would love to see the reactions to the Griffey trade and Dunn getting called up.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:13 AM
Nope. Not till 2000.

Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:13 AM
Vizquel thrown out stealing.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:13 AM
Valentin throws Vizquel out trying to steal. 1 out.

KronoRed
07-08-2005, 12:14 AM
I think in 99 most RedZoners were still over at Cincinnati.com

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:14 AM
Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

RedsZone would be empty if the Reds started winning...fans would drift around aimlessly, not sure what to do with themselves. :laugh:

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:14 AM
nobody runs on Javi.

KronoRed
07-08-2005, 12:15 AM
Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

Are you crazy?!?

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:16 AM
I think in 99 most RedZoners were still over at Cincinnati.com

good times... good times.

My username there got spoofed by some clown, and it took me weeks to make nice with everyone.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:16 AM
Snow grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:16 AM
Are you crazy?!?

I dunno? Griffey was supposed to be the final piece, he comes, Redszone is started, and then its all down hill. Hey, no matter how absurd, an excuse is an excuse.

Big Klu
07-08-2005, 12:16 AM
nobody runs on Javi.

Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:17 AM
Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in? No Valentin started.

WVPacman
07-08-2005, 12:18 AM
Whats the score?? :help:

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:18 AM
Moises Alou is one of the more incredible hitting talents I have seen in my life. Too bad injuries decimated a lot of his career.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:19 AM
Alou strikes out looking. 5 K's for Harang. 1-0 Reds after 4.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:19 AM
Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in?

Yeah, I just noticed that. The lineup buckeye posted has LaRue starting and batting 8th. Hope he didn't get hurt.

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:19 AM
Whats the score?? :help:

1-0 Reds

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:21 AM
Thanks TRF, Alou Ks looking, Harang with 5 tonight. Through 4 innings,

Tomko 66 pitches - 42 strikes, 2Ks, 1bb, 3h, 1r
Harang 52-39, 5Ks, obb, 2h, 0r

Big Klu
07-08-2005, 12:23 AM
No Valentin started.

OK. I was just wondering, based on some earlier posts.



Reds:

1. Lopez SS
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Casey 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Randa 3B
6. Dunn LF
7. Pena RF
8. LaRue C
9. Harang P

Giants:

1. Ellison CF
2. Vizquel SS
3. Snow 1B
4. Alou LF
5. Tucker RF
6. Cruz 2B
7. Feliz 3B
8. Matheny C
9. Tomko P



Larue starts to throw the runner out at 2nd but then Aurilia catches the runner off of third. Play goes 2-4-5. 0-0 after 2.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:23 AM
Valentin strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:24 AM
Marty and Steve are discussing the Curt Schilling situation, where he will go to the bullpen as the closer after the AS break.

Dan O'Brien would not have the stones to make a decision like that. That's one of many reasons why Theo Epstein is one of the best GMs in baseball and why we're all looking forward to potentially the first road-series victory of the season for DannO's Reds.

kyred14
07-08-2005, 12:24 AM
Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

The last year the Reds were contenders was the year before Redszone came along.

Just Sayin.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:25 AM
Harang strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:26 AM
I think I remember reading here mid 99, it can't just be me. Is it?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:26 AM
OK. I was just wondering, based on some earlier posts. Sorry about the confusion on that earlier play. I forgot Valentin was playing when I posted that.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:27 AM
Lopez lines a hit to right.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:27 AM
The Reds All-Star Shortstop with a base hit.

It never gets old typing that.

Big Klu
07-08-2005, 12:28 AM
Sorry about the confusion on that earlier play. I forgot Valentin was playing when I posted that.

No prob! :)

TRF
07-08-2005, 12:30 AM
A tale of two pitchers.

Tomko and Harang have the same number on IP and walks, but Harang has an ERA a full run lower. why?

K's matter to pitchers, and Harang has almost a K per IP. Tomko... less.

WVPacman
07-08-2005, 12:31 AM
1-0 Reds

Thanks TRF!!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:33 AM
Aurilia flies out to the warning track in center. 1-0 Reds mid 5th.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:33 AM
A poster on Redslive is saying the Reds should deal Dunn for Corey Patterson. :rolleyes: :eek: :dunno:

Buckeye33
07-08-2005, 12:34 AM
Yeah, I just noticed that. The lineup buckeye posted has LaRue starting and batting 8th. Hope he didn't get hurt.

Hmmm...I coulda sworn LaRue was in the lineup when I posted it at 7:45ish. I guess I may have assumed, but I thought he was.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:34 AM
A tale of two pitchers.

Tomko and Harang have the same number on IP and walks, but Harang has an ERA a full run lower. why?

K's matter to pitchers, and Harang has almost a K per IP. Tomko... less.

FWIW, Harang has 1 less walk (0-1) and in a half inning more, Tomko only has 1 less K.

Tomko just burned 28 pitches to get through 4 batters and get out of the inning. The difference is, Harang knows how to pitch, and the SF offense sucks.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:35 AM
Tucker lines a hit to left.

WVPacman
07-08-2005, 12:37 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:37 AM
Cruz strikes out swinging. 1 out. 6 K's for Harang.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:38 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

Ten years, but still a lot.

Matt700wlw
07-08-2005, 12:38 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

This is his 11th

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:38 AM
Feliz grounds to short. But Aurilia drops the throw at 2nd from Lopez. 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Error on Lopez.

flyer85
07-08-2005, 12:39 AM
A poster on Redslive is saying the Reds should deal Dunn for Corey Patterson. :rolleyes: :eek: :dunno:Kearnr and Dunn for Dubois and Patterson ... sounds like a winner to me.

Matt700wlw
07-08-2005, 12:39 AM
Aurilia needs a day off...

...wait, scratch that --

:D

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:39 AM
Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

RedsFan75
07-08-2005, 12:40 AM
So the error goes to Lopez and not Aurillia??? Hmmm

Falls City Beer
07-08-2005, 12:40 AM
Come on Aaron, don't start sucking!

Big Klu
07-08-2005, 12:41 AM
Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

Matt700wlw
07-08-2005, 12:41 AM
I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

The Olmedo/Machado tandem could be coming...

WVPacman
07-08-2005, 12:41 AM
Is the Reds game on the reds tv channel tonight?

I highly doubt it

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:42 AM
I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

I blame Bob Boone.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:42 AM
I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

I concur...he's been playing at such a high level on a daily basis that he really could use just a day to sit down and collect himself.

I'm sure there'll be an edict from on high to get Machado in at some point over the next few days, and that'll give Lopez his day off.

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:42 AM
Boo! Harang hit the showers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:43 AM
Matheny homers to left. 3-1 Giants.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:43 AM
Is the Reds game on the reds tv channel tonight?

I highly doubt it No local tv tonight or tomorrow night.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:43 AM
Typical 21st century Reds: giving up a dinger to the #8 hitter.

Matt700wlw
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Typical 21st century Reds: giving up a dinger to the #8 hitter.

Matheny's 9th HR...a CAREER HIGH

WVPacman
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

I think he needs a break b/c like you said his defense isn't that good right now exspecially last night he could'nt get the ball out of his glove.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Tomko strikes out swinging. 7 K's for Harang.

Matt700wlw
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
So the error goes to Lopez and not Aurillia??? Hmmm

Former Giant...

Falls City Beer
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
I said it about 8 years ago, but Harang sucks with runners on. He needs to ditch the stretch.

Aronchis
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Harang really screwed up on that one.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:44 AM
If I served up a homer to Matheny, I would run off the field as fast as I could. It's just embarrassing.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:45 AM
Ellison strikes out looking. 8th K for Harang. 3-1 Giants after 5.

CTA513
07-08-2005, 12:46 AM
A walk might have been just a little bit better.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:48 AM
:wave: Hi Marc

ETA: Marc Lancaster made an oh-so-brief cameo on the GameThread viewing list. Wanted to make him feel welcome.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:48 AM
Casey singles to left.

cReds1
07-08-2005, 12:50 AM
Casey singles to left.

Is that the guy who stinks and is batting .315?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:50 AM
Marty says the latest rumor is the White Sox are interested in trading for Junior.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:51 AM
Junior walks. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:52 AM
103 pitches for Tomko after Junior walks. Will he make it out?

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:52 AM
What did the beat writer have to say in the second inning?

flyer85
07-08-2005, 12:52 AM
Marty says the latest rumor is the White Sox are interested in trading for Junior.they already have a log jam at OF/DH

BoydsOfSummer
07-08-2005, 12:53 AM
I need serious help. It's 11:48 on a thursday night, the Reds totally suck and have no chance at anything. And I'm replaying one of their past seasons on Diamond Mind while listening to them over the internet from the west coast,all the while hanging out with other disturbed like-minded freaks on a internet game thread.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:53 AM
Randa grounds off the leg of Tomko and gets an infield hit. Bases loaded with no outs for Dunn.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:53 AM
Is that the guy who stinks and is batting .315?

Yeah, the same guy that is hitting .315/.360/.402. NL 1B are hitting .286/.365/.480.

Casey is a below average first baseman.

cReds1
07-08-2005, 12:53 AM
Matheny's 9th HR...a CAREER HIGH

Is this the same guy who was said LaRue was way better than him? A career high and at his age. Hmmmmmm :evil:

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:54 AM
Bases juiced, no outs. Well, Dunn can get another Sac fly. Which bat do you think he is grabbing?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:54 AM
What did the beat writer have to say in the second inning? He talked about how well Kearns is hitting in Louisville. His average is up to .362. He also talked about Kenny Kelly starting his rehab with a 3 for 3 night and Keisler is also back to pitching for Louisville.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 12:55 AM
I need serious help. It's 11:48 on a thursday night, the Reds totally suck and have no chance at anything. And I'm replaying one of their past seasons on Diamond Mind while listening to them over the internet from the west coast,all the while hanging out with other disturbed like-minded freaks on a internet game thread.

It's kinda like being an alcoholic...but at least you're not drinking alone when you're on the Game Thread. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:55 AM
Jason Christiansen coming in to pitch.

DoogMinAmo
07-08-2005, 12:55 AM
He talked about how well Kearns is hitting in Louisville. His average is up to .362. He also talked about Kenny Kelly starting his rehab with a 3 for 3 night and Keisler is also back to pitching for Louisville.

Thanks :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:56 AM
Is this the same guy who was said LaRue was way better than him? A career high and at his age. Hmmmmmm :evil:

LaRue is a better hitter than Matheny, and it's really not even close.

2005 LaRue-.791 OPS, career-.740
Matheny-.726 OPS, career-.635

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:58 AM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out. Dunn swung at 2 balls out of the strike zone.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 12:58 AM
Dunn again swings at bad pitches. In the past, Dunn would hardly ever swing at a pitch out of the zone, now he's doing it regularly.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 12:59 AM
Scott Munter coming in to pitch.

RedsFan75
07-08-2005, 12:59 AM
Think Dunn might be listening to all the RISP talk and trying too hard to prove everyone wrong?

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:00 AM
Pena pops out to 1st. 2 outs.

cReds1
07-08-2005, 01:01 AM
Yeah, the same guy that is hitting .315/.360/.402. NL 1B are hitting .286/.365/.480.

Casey is a below average first baseman.

Let's take Pujols and Lee out of the equation and add how many more times Casey has been at the plate compared to the other 1Bs. The reason I say take out Pujols is because nobody is compared to that man. Lee is just having his best year of his career.

Cedric
07-08-2005, 01:01 AM
Good god. Wily Mo needs to change his approach against Rh's.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:02 AM
Baseball is being dropped as an Olympic sport

Aronchis
07-08-2005, 01:02 AM
Good god. Wily Mo needs to change his approach against Rh's.

Not on that pitch, that was grooved.

cReds1
07-08-2005, 01:03 AM
LaRue is a better hitter than Matheny, and it's really not even close.

2005 LaRue-.791 OPS, career-.740
Matheny-.726 OPS, career-.635

Once again place age into the factor and what do you come up with? You think LaRue will even make it as far as he has? I doubt it.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:04 AM
Valentin lines out to short. Unbelievable. Bases loaded no outs with Dunn and Pena coming up and we get no runs. 3-1 Giants mid 6th.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2005, 01:04 AM
I have no TV tonight, but either the Giants are making fantastic plays or the Giants announcers on XM are too dramatic.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2005, 01:04 AM
If ever an inning was a microcosm for the entire season...

Buckeye33
07-08-2005, 01:04 AM
Sickening

pedro
07-08-2005, 01:06 AM
to be fair to dunn he came awful damn close to having a double.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 01:06 AM
Once again place age into the factor and what do you come up with? You think LaRue will even make it as far as he has? I doubt it.

Yes, yes I do. Matheny is only three years older than Jason. Fact is LaRue is and always has been a better hitter than Matheny.

pedro
07-08-2005, 01:07 AM
cReds1,

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:07 AM
Vizquel grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:10 AM
Snow walks.

Reds Fanatic
07-08-2005, 01:12 AM
Alou grounds into a 4-3 double play. 3-1 Giants after 6.

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2005, 01:12 AM
Let's take Pujols and Lee out of the equation and add how many more times Casey has been at the plate compared to the other 1Bs. The reason I say take out Pujols is because nobody is compared to that man. Lee is just having his best year of his career.

So you want to take out the the top two hitters at their position to make Casey look like an above average first baseman? If you wanna play that game, take out Nevin and LaRoche too since they are the worst. It becomes a moot point.