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Johnny Footstool
07-08-2005, 03:48 PM
I've been offered Todd Helton for Troy Glaus.

My current 1Bs are Paul Konerko and Justin Morneau.

My current 3Bs are Glaus and Eric Chavez.

Helton is definitely an upgrade over Morneau and will fill my Utility spot nicely. However, I'd be trading away depth at 3B, and counting on Helton and Chavez to stay hot.

I'm considering making the deal, but I'm still hesitant. My inclination is to play conservative, because I'm currently in first place with a moderate lead. I don't want to do something stupid and throw the season away.

I suppose I could turn around and trade Morneau for a 3B, but his stock is pretty low right now.

Opinions?

pedro
07-08-2005, 03:51 PM
I think I'd stay put if I was you.

Johnny Footstool
07-08-2005, 07:05 PM
What's your reasoning, pedro?

pedro
07-08-2005, 07:07 PM
What's your reasoning, pedro?

Mostly that it's better to have 2 at each position a than 3 1B and 1 3B.... because of injuries.

Plus Helton's kind of havinga down year isn't he?

buckeyenut
07-08-2005, 07:28 PM
Mostly that it's better to have 2 at each position a than 3 1B and 1 3B.... because of injuries.

Plus Helton's kind of havinga down year isn't he?

Helton is having a down year, but in baseball, that is what you look for, a guy having a less than expected year who could tear it up second half. Helton fits that bill. And he will always give you OBP.

westofyou
07-08-2005, 07:49 PM
There's only so much that cortisone can do. For short periods of time, it's a miracle worker, but at some point, it starts being the dingo that eats the baby. There are tales of surgeons going in and seeing tendons eaten away by cortisone, and even seeing the injected substance held in suspension, not being absorbed at all into the affected area. There's certainly an effect, placebo or not, in most cases. Troy Glaus is making it through the season with a series of injections into his damaged left knee and doing well enough to challenge career highs in many categories. The D'backs--who led the league last season with more than 1,800 DL days--are managing this injury well in the short term, but I question how it might affect Glaus in the next three years of his big-money deal.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4191

pedro
07-08-2005, 07:49 PM
Helton is having a down year, but in baseball, that is what you look for, a guy having a less than expected year who could tear it up second half. Helton fits that bill. And he will always give you OBP.

That is true. Generally the "market" does correct itself.

I'd be more concerned with the possibility that Chavez could get hurt and finding a replacement as good as Glaus would be hard.

kheidg-
07-09-2005, 12:53 AM
No. You have Morneau at 1B, he is a stud.

Red Leader
07-09-2005, 07:47 AM
I make this deal every time it's offered. As WOY pointed out, it's been a long time since Glaus stayed healthy for a whole season. Helton is just now starting to heat up, don't miss out on that. Morneau will come around as well, and when he does, if you need a 3B, you can trade Morneau for one. My guess is that Helton hits .330 in the second half with is normal power. Glaus won't do that. Make the deal before its too late.

Red Leader
07-09-2005, 07:50 AM
As buckeynut said, even if Helton continues slumping, he will still probably out produce Glaus in OBP and AVG. You have to believe the power will come around in Coors field. If Glaus DOES stay healthy, he will probably have more RBI than Helton, but I think Helton heats up after the break and shows his normal production. I'm thinking Glaus spends at least one stint on the DL. Let someone else deal with that.

Johnny Footstool
07-10-2005, 07:32 PM
I'm wary of Glaus's bad knee and the fact that he's getting his 3rd cortisone shot of the season tomorrow. I'm also wary of the lack of a decent lineup around Helton. I'll probably see if I can get him to go for a package deal.

pedro
07-10-2005, 09:36 PM
As buckeynut said, even if Helton continues slumping, he will still probably out produce Glaus in OBP and AVG. You have to believe the power will come around in Coors field. If Glaus DOES stay healthy, he will probably have more RBI than Helton, but I think Helton heats up after the break and shows his normal production. I'm thinking Glaus spends at least one stint on the DL. Let someone else deal with that.

yes, but will he outproduce Konerko and Morneau enough to risk the lack of depth at 3B?

Puffy
07-12-2005, 01:14 PM
Here is a trade I was just offered (and I turned it down by the way)

I trade Johan Santana
Team X trades Ted Lilly

man, I hate stupid offers.

Red Leader
07-12-2005, 01:17 PM
Ted Lilly's been lights out the last month or so, though.

:lol:

Red Leader
07-15-2005, 09:50 AM
Once again, westofyou was right. Glaus is having problems with his knee. Trade him as soon as possible!!!!!

Troy Glaus is clearly still hurting, with pain behind his left knee.

He has received three cortisone shots in the knee and was favoring the knee and in obvious pain while trying to run out a grounder in the second inning last night. ''You get to a point where it starts affecting other things when you keep playing hurt,'' manager Bob Melvin said. ''I talked to him between innings and he said it's OK, so we'll have to revisit it again.'' It's starting to look like he may shut it down soon, so brace yourself if you own him. Jul. 15 - 8:52 am et

Johnny Footstool
07-15-2005, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the info, RL. Unfortunately, I turned down the original offer to see if I could get a little more for Glaus. The guy offering the deal immediately traded Helton to the second-place team (the guy I'm fighting off for first place) for...get this...Grady Sizemore. Clearly an unfair deal. I asked him about it, and he replied that he only did it out of spite -- he wanted to help my nearest competitor and keep me from winning the league. Nice.

Red Leader
07-15-2005, 10:11 AM
Man, that sucks.

You might want to try and shop Glaus around to see what you can get for him, regardless.

Johnny Footstool
07-15-2005, 10:20 AM
Glaus for Vernon Wells?

Red Leader
07-15-2005, 10:23 AM
Glaus for Vernon Wells?

Not bad. Can you post your entire roster and league settings so I can see if Wells would be too much of a surplus, or whether he would benefit you?

kheidg-
07-15-2005, 03:02 PM
I wouldn't trade Glaus for Vernon Wells - ever.

Sheltonmassacre
07-26-2005, 10:17 AM
Id say stay put Johnny. Sounds like the other parties percieved value of glaus maybe really high. Id shoot for the stars although Glaus' back has been bothering him.

Johnny Footstool
07-26-2005, 03:20 PM
Well, here's how it went down a couple of weeks ago...

I declined the original offer of Helton for Glaus and countered with Teixiera for Glaus -- just to see how badly he wanted him. I explained that it would really be like Glaus and Helton for Teixiera, since Helton had been riding the bench on this guy's team. Rather than post a counter-offer, he screamed that the deal was unfair and that I was trying to cheat him.

A couple of hours later, he traded Helton to the second-place team for...Grady Sizemore. A lot of people in our league are asleep at the wheel at this point in the season, so not enough people protested the trade. After it went through, he posted a long message on the league bulletin board saying that he traded Helton to the second place guy because he couldn't stand to see me win the league, so he'd do whatever it took to prevent that from happening. Then he dropped Sizemore.

Funny thing is, my lead is still growing even after the trade...

Sheltonmassacre
07-26-2005, 03:37 PM
Maybe Ill keep my advise to myself if its gonna get you hollered at. :)

Johnny Footstool
07-26-2005, 04:02 PM
Nah, keep the advice coming. That other dude is a complete head case. He's just upset because we bet a $100 bottle of tequila on who would finish higher in the standings, and he's pretty much guaranteed to lose that bet.

REDREAD
07-29-2005, 03:18 PM
This is why I never play for money.. It brings out the worse in people.

People are spiteful enough in competition without having $$ color their judgement.