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CTA513
07-10-2005, 03:21 PM
Reds Diamondbacks
1. F. Lopez, SS 1. Cintron, 2B
2. Aurilia, 2B 2. Clayton, SS
3. Casey, 1B 3. L. Gonzalez, LF
4. Griffey, CF 4. Glaus, 3B
5. Randa, 3B 5. Clark, 1B
6. Dunn, LF 6. Green, RF
7. Pena, RF 7. Cruz, CF
8. Larue, C 8. Stinnett, C
9. Milton, P 9. Gosling, P

TV: FSN Ohio
Radio: WLW 700

WVRedsFan
07-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Very interesting. Olemdo is on fire, fast, and scrappy while Rich is tepid, slow, and old. Which do you play in the get away game? Rich? The more I see of Narron, the better I like him (I like the way he's handlng the pitching in conjunction with Ruhle), but that's just insane. Play Rey til he quits hitting and doing well. Please.

Of course, continuing bat Randa fifth is also kind of screwy and we've beaten Dunn's place in the order to death.

I just wonder what does Rich have over these guys? It has to be something...

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 03:47 PM
I just wonder what does Rich have over these guys? It has to be something...

Perhaps it's the 3 hits he had on Friday, including the game winner?

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 03:50 PM
Dunn's grand slam gets him...a cookie!

;)

westofyou
07-10-2005, 03:52 PM
I just wonder what does Rich have over these guys? It has to be something...

The Reds have decided that to counteract the high K rate of the power guys that they must balance it out with contact hitters and "good 2 strike hitters" Problem is they give more ab's to them as opposed to breaking it up.

Good example of what they want in the number two slot (Hi Adam Dunn) is for a guy to take a few pitches if Lopez is on first, but they also want a guy to put a play on.

Hence I'm a low OB Guy but good 2 strike hitter in the number 2 slot evry day.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 03:54 PM
Very interesting. Olemdo is on fire, fast, and scrappy while Rich is tepid, slow, and old. Which do you play in the get away game? Rich? The more I see of Narron, the better I like him (I like the way he's handlng the pitching in conjunction with Ruhle), but that's just insane. Play Rey til he quits hitting and doing well. Please.



And continue to allow him to make a case against being sent down to AAA when Freel comes back?

If he gets limited playing time, he can be sent down because he needs to "work on things"

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 03:56 PM
And continue to allow him to make a case against being sent down to AAA when Freel comes back?

If he gets limited playing time, he can be sent down because he needs to "work on things"

Or, my personal favorite, "He needs to play every day."

WVRedsFan
07-10-2005, 04:03 PM
Perhaps it's the 3 hits he had on Friday, including the game winner?

OK, I'll play...

Then why didn't he start him last night?

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
OK, I'll play...

Then why didn't he start him last night?

Numbers don't play the game? ;)

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2005, 04:48 PM
The Reds have a chance to sweep a team on the road today. Last time that happened was May 31-June 2, 2004, at Florida.

Big Donkey
07-10-2005, 04:53 PM
I have a solution to the "should-Aurilia-or-Olmedo-play?" problem. How about both? Lopez hasn't had an off-day in a while, I don't think. How about giving him a day off... even with the all-star break ahead, I mean he IS going to Detroit after all. Why not give him the last day off before that, and play Olmedo at short and The Greatest Player Ever at 2nd for today?

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:11 PM
Anybody watching the futures game?

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 05:15 PM
I have a solution to the "should-Aurilia-or-Olmedo-play?" problem. How about both? Lopez hasn't had an off-day in a while, I don't think. How about giving him a day off... even with the all-star break ahead, I mean he IS going to Detroit after all. Why not give him the last day off before that, and play Olmedo at short and The Greatest Player Ever at 2nd for today?

No reason to sit Lopez right now since he will get enough rest over the break.

It's bad enough we have to start one of them but I really don't want to work the line-up around to fit both of them in.

I will never see Olmedo as a regualr. Besides his nice start I don't see him having a future starting even though I think he will make a nice CAstro type reserve.

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 05:17 PM
OK, I'll play...

Then why didn't he start him last night?

He was due for a rest. If you are going to rest him, better against a tough righty like Webb, than a so-so LH releiver like Goosling (sp?). Assuming you were ever going to start Olemedo over Auriila, Saturday night's matchup was the time to do it.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 05:18 PM
Anybody watching the futures game?

What channel?

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 05:19 PM
The Reds have a chance to sweep a team on the road today. Last time that happened was May 31-June 2, 2004, at Florida.
Sunny days those were

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:26 PM
What channel?

ESPN it should be on ESPN2, but LPGA is on so its on ESPN. Edwin just K'd.

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2005, 05:27 PM
What channel?

ESPN.

EE struckout looking his first atbat. Bergolla lined a single to right.

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:31 PM
ESPN spent EE's first at bat calling him someone else. Good to see Bergolla get a hit.

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2005, 05:34 PM
EE and Bergolla just turned a fine double play!

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:34 PM
Yeah, I fell for that too, until I saw him start running with 12 and "Encarnacion" on the back of his jersey.

EdE struck out looking. Bergolla hit a pop single right between the IF and the OF.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:35 PM
Milton's pitching today.

Hopefully, I won't need to update this

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/MiltonMeter28.jpg

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:36 PM
Didnt see the DP, what happend?

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 05:41 PM
Lopez leads off with a single.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 05:41 PM
Ryan Garko of the Indians hit a chopper, and EdE went to his knees to stop it, and threw the ball from his knees - a perfect strike to Bergolla, who spun it around to 1b for the double play.

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:43 PM
Ryan Garko of the Indians hit a chopper, and EdE went to his knees to stop it, and threw the ball from his knees - a perfect strike to Bergolla, who spun it around to 1b for the double play.

Wow I am sure they will replay the futures games later tonight or tomorrow so I am sure I will see it then.

Thanks sounded like a great play.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 05:44 PM
Casey grounds into DP #21. 0-0 mid 1st.

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:44 PM
Shocking

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 05:45 PM
Hey we won the other night when Casey hit into a Casey

Aronchis
07-10-2005, 05:45 PM
Casey did his dirty deed for today ;)

reds44
07-10-2005, 05:45 PM
Hey we won the other night when Casey hit into a Casey

Doesnt Case hit into a DP every night?

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 05:46 PM
Doesnt Case hit into a DP every night?

Seems like it ;)

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 05:47 PM
I predict Glaus homers in this inning or next. I'm feeling lucky. ;)

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 05:51 PM
Memo to Eric Milton: Sporting a Matt Clement goatee does not make you worth Matt Clement money.

Super_Barry11
07-10-2005, 05:54 PM
Memo to Eric Milton: Sporting a Matt Clement goatee does not make you worth Matt Clement money.

Too bad my mlb.tv subscription is worthless, so I can't even see his goatee. Not that I really want to, but you know... :angry: For the third day in a row, I can't watch the game. :thumbdown

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 05:56 PM
Milton has a good 1st with 2 K's. 0-0 after 1.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 05:57 PM
Too bad my mlb.tv subscription is worthless, so I can't even see his goatee. Not that I really want to, but you know... :angry: For the third day in a row, I can't watch the game. :thumbdown

Have you called the hotline number? If it's not working, you should at least get a partial refund for this month.

WVRedsFan
07-10-2005, 05:58 PM
Doesnt Case hit into a DP every night?

Pretty much. That why the lineup we put out makes me scratch my head. Why do we place a .251 hitter with an OBP of .304 and who is not a good bunter in the 2 hole when you have Dunn (.383), Griffey (.353), Randa (.371), Pena (.314) hitting lower in the lineup.

The same is true for Casey. His OBP is .361, but he will always have the tendency to hit the ball on the ground to the left side, making for the easy DP.

Of course making sense is foreign to this franchise... :)

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 05:58 PM
Junior leads off with a double to right.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:02 PM
Dunn walks. 1st and 2nd with one out.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:04 PM
Pena grounds into a 6-4-3 double play. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Super_Barry11
07-10-2005, 06:07 PM
Have you called the hotline number? If it's not working, you should at least get a partial refund for this month.

I just emailed the mlb.tv support people... This is ridiculous. I had been using my friend's account since Opening Day without any trouble, but I finally bought a subscription of my own last Tuesday, and now I can't even watch the games. So frustrating!!

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:09 PM
And I thought the Reds played as though they were on autopilot.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:10 PM
Randa makes a great play. 1-2-3 inning for Milton. 0-0 after 2.

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 06:12 PM
I just emailed the mlb.tv support people... This is ridiculous. I had been using my friend's account since Opening Day without any trouble, but I finally bought a subscription of my own last Tuesday, and now I can't even watch the games. So frustrating!!

Maybe they are trying to "even out" your "free" games. :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:14 PM
Larue leads off with a double. Good hustle by Larue.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:14 PM
Larue doubles to the gap.

Double play not in order.

Thank God.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:14 PM
I just emailed the mlb.tv support people... This is ridiculous. I had been using my friend's account since Opening Day without any trouble, but I finally bought a subscription of my own last Tuesday, and now I can't even watch the games. So frustrating!!

I would imagine it has something to do with your computer having used two different accounts to access MLB.TV, might be setting off red flags with the service (it might think, since the same computer has accessed two different accounts, that you are hacking other people's passwords and using those, or something stupid)

Have you tried going to "Tools" --> "Internet Options" --> and then clicked the buttons to delete the cookies and/or deleting all the temporary internet files? That might make things better.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Milton bunts back to the pitcher and the lead runner is thrown out at 3rd.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:16 PM
And now a horrible bunt by Milton gets Larue thrown out at 3rd.

Double play now a possibility.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:16 PM
I encourage everyone to go to MLB Gameday and pull up the Rocks/San Diego game. Check out the "picture" of Dan Miceli!!

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:17 PM
And now a horrible bunt by Milton gets Larue thrown out at 3rd.

Double play now a possibility.

With a good hitting pitcher like Milton at the plate and a left-handed pitcher on the mound, I disagree with bunting in that situation.

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2005, 06:18 PM
I encourage everyone to go to MLB Gameday and pull up the Rocks/San Diego game. Check out the "picture" of Dan Miceli!!

Let me guess...he looks like somebody's mother? ;)

I checked it out. He looks like Mrs. Doubtfire.

WVRedsFan
07-10-2005, 06:18 PM
Strange sequence of events. Third baseman is charging, lefthander on the mound and you bunt to the left side? And it was all the way--Milton telegraphed that one. Wow. Good camera work by FSO, too. Why does every Fox affiliate have better camera work than ours?

Super_Barry11
07-10-2005, 06:18 PM
I would imagine it has something to do with your computer having used two different accounts to access MLB.TV, might be setting off red flags with the service (it might think, since the same computer has accessed two different accounts, that you are hacking other people's passwords and using those, or something stupid)

Have you tried going to "Tools" --> "Internet Options" --> and then clicked the buttons to delete the cookies and/or deleting all the temporary internet files? That might make things better.

Yeah, I cleared out all the temp internet files yesterday. My other friend has used both of our accounts on her computer and she can get all the games today except the Reds-D'backs... It's so weird.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 06:18 PM
I encourage everyone to go to MLB Gameday and pull up the Rocks/San Diego game. Check out the "picture" of Dan Miceli!!

:laugh:

That was good for a laugh

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 06:19 PM
I encourage everyone to go to MLB Gameday and pull up the Rocks/San Diego game. Check out the "picture" of Dan Miceli!!

He's got nothing on Don Mossi.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Yeah, I cleared out all the temp internet files yesterday. My other friend has used both of our accounts on her computer and she can get all the games today except the Reds-D'backs... It's so weird.

Call them.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Aurilia flies out. 3 straight innings Reds get the lead off man on and can't score. 0-0 mid 3rd.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Yeah, I cleared out all the temp internet files yesterday. My other friend has used both of our accounts on her computer and she can get all the games today except the Reds-D'backs... It's so weird.

Did you check if you're legally allowed by MLB to watch the games on the internet? When I'm up at school in Toledo, I'm considered as being in the Reds "Broadcast radius" (in TOLEDO!) and, thus, the Reds games are blacked out for me.

It also can screw you up if you use a credit card that has your home-address in Cincy lsited as the billing address.

(Just throwing suggestions out there!)

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 06:24 PM
SB, does your friends account work on your computer now?

If so..use it, no need to feel guilty if they already have your money ;)

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:25 PM
Let me guess...he looks like somebody's mother? ;)

I checked it out. He looks like Mrs. Doubtfire.

Did you see the cut-and-paste job with the hat? Man, aren't computers the best. Which reminds me of a hobby of my wife's and mine: we'll go to the New Release section of Blockbuster or wherever and check out all the photo-graftings of famous actor's head poorly lumped on some model's body. We laugh and laugh and laugh.

Then get thrown out.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:26 PM
MlB.TV's main page lists all the zip codes considered to be in the Reds home territory.

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:26 PM
Milton is mowing them down.

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 06:26 PM
The 3 stooges manage to track down Stinnett's pop-up

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 06:27 PM
Milton is mowing them down.

The Dbacks stink

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:27 PM
The 3 stooges manage to track down Stinnett's pop-up

If Miley was managing, they'd have all collided and fallen down.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:28 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Milton. 0-0 after 3.

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:28 PM
9 up 9 down for the last 9 batters Paris has faced.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 06:28 PM
9 in a row retired by Milton

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 06:29 PM
Paris

That's the worst nickname I have ever heard.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:30 PM
Greene just homered off Miceli....

and his expression didn't change. Gawd, I can't stop looking at it.

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:31 PM
That's the worst nickname I have ever heard.

Why he gets hit on more then she does?

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2005, 06:32 PM
Greene just homered off Miceli....

and his expression didn't change. Gawd, I can't stop looking at it.

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_119023.jpg

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Why he gets hit on more then she does?

These puns are simply atrocious.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Junior walks.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 06:34 PM
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_119023.jpg
Wow..that photoshopping is pretty bad

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:35 PM
These puns are simply atrocious.

Paris Hilton
Eric Milton

Dont you see it? :p:

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 06:36 PM
Paris Hilton
Eric Milton

Dont you see it? :p:

I see it but it's just awful.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:36 PM
Wow..that photoshopping is pretty bad

I'd say it's more an MS Paint-job, based on the quality.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Dunn lines out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 4th.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:38 PM
Two guys coming into today's game with ERAs in the googles, and it's scoreless. Bloody typical.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:42 PM
Eric Milton, "kooky lefthander."

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:42 PM
Keep putting em down!

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:42 PM
Don't look now, but Eric Milton is now sporting an under-7 ERA for the first time since May 23rd.

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Don't look now, but Eric Milton is now sporting an under-7 ERA for the first time since May 23rd.


:beerme:

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:46 PM
milton K's the side! 12 in a row!

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:46 PM
Milton strikes out the side. 12 in a row retired by Milton who now has 5 K's. 0-0 after 4.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 06:47 PM
I suspect he's trying to pitch himself out of Cincy. I hope he succeeds.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:48 PM
Pena leads off with a single.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 06:48 PM
Milton is an ace


:D

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:51 PM
Larue walks. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

reds44
07-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Come on Milton get this bunt down.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:53 PM
Milton again bunts the lead runner out at 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:53 PM
Again Milton bunts to the 3rd base side and the lead runner is thrown out. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:54 PM
Seriously...why do you bunt into that kind of defense?

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:55 PM
Welsh raving about the defense on that bunt.

Chris, the pitcher fielded the bunt. The rest of the defense had nothing to do with it.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:55 PM
Lopez grounds into a force out at 3rd. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 06:56 PM
Welsh raving about the defense on that bunt.

Chris, the pitcher fielded the bunt. The rest of the defense had nothing to do with it.

It's stupidity, though. When you see the defense is going to put the wheel play on, you've got to have the presence of mind to pull that bat back and swing away to try and put the ball through the infield.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:57 PM
Welsh completely blows an attempted analysis on the Reds offense. He has no clue what he's talking about.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 06:58 PM
It's stupidity, though. When you see the defense is going to put the wheel play on, you've got to have the presence of mind to pull that bat back and swing away to try and put the ball through the infield.

Considering that Milton appears to want to bunt everything to the 3B side with a LHP on the mound, I don't disagree with you at all.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 06:59 PM
Aurilia flies out. The 4th time today the Reds waste a lead off hit. 0-0 mid 5th.

smith288
07-10-2005, 07:01 PM
Aurilia...worthless wonder.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:02 PM
This is the first Reds game I've watched on TV in a while, and now I remember why I don't like watching the Reds on TV.

The analysis on a play-by-play basis is terrible...prattling on about, of all inane and insignificant crap, the All Star game throughout history.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:06 PM
15 in a row retired by Milton. 6 K's for Milton. 0-0 after 5.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:06 PM
First team to hit a HR wins

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:07 PM
15 in a row retired by Milton. 6 K's for Milton. 0-0 after 5.

Dan's strutting around the office right now with a grin on his face...

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:09 PM
If Milton continues to pitch like this and it's determined that his problems have been rectified, do you still trade him?

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 07:10 PM
If Milton continues to pitch like this and it's determined that his problems have been rectified, do you still trade him?

Depends on the offer.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:10 PM
If Milton continues to pitch like this and it's determined that his problems have been rectified, do you still trade him?

Free up the money.....and sign Ruhle to a LTC :D


I don't think Dan would trade him though...this is his prized FA aquisition

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:11 PM
If Milton continues to pitch like this and it's determined that his problems have been rectified, do you still trade him?
Yes

16Mill over the next 2 years and he's NEVER put up numbers worthy of it.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:13 PM
Randa doubles with 2 outs.

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:15 PM
Don't get me wrong - it's a bad contract. However, if you plan on contending in 2006, does having a 4.00 ERA type starter in the fold look so bad?

Aronchis
07-10-2005, 07:17 PM
Don't get me wrong - it's a bad contract. However, if you plan on contending in 2006, does having a 4.00 ERA type starter in the fold look so bad?

and Milton isn't a 4.00ERA starter. Next.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 07:17 PM
Chris Welsh just said OPS on the air.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:17 PM
Dunn walks. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

reds44
07-10-2005, 07:18 PM
Pitching Change

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:19 PM
Lance Cormier in to pitch.

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:20 PM
and Milton isn't a 4.00ERA starter. Next.

That's why this topic was first addressed with a hypothetical "if Milton were to keep this up".

Thanks for your input.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:22 PM
Pena walks. Bases loaded for Larue.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:23 PM
Larue flies out to center. Reds have now left 8 runners on base. 0-0 mid 6th.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 07:23 PM
Pena gets nothing to hit and Walks.

Larue gets nothing to hit, hits the nothing, and the Reds get nothing out of it.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:23 PM
Don't get me wrong - it's a bad contract. However, if you plan on contending in 2006, does having a 4.00 ERA type starter in the fold look so bad?
We aren't competing next year.

GAC
07-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Did I just hear Chris Welsh say that the best way to evaluate Dunn's season is to look at his OB% and SLG%????

And Narron says that Dunn is the perfect guy to have in the #2 slot?

There is hope yet maybe. ;)

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:26 PM
We aren't competing next year.

And he's not a 4.00 pitcher.

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:27 PM
We aren't competing next year.

Maybe, maybe not - we'll see how the pending trades turn out for this team. Regardless, I guarantee you the front office PLANS to compete next year. Time will tell if that happens.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:28 PM
Unless 2 great starting pitchers suddenly turn up..we aren't competing next year

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:29 PM
Maybe, maybe not - we'll see how the pending trades turn out for this team. Regardless, I guarantee you the front office PLANS to compete next year. Time will tell if that happes.

We aren't competing next year.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:30 PM
I usually love a good pitchers dual, but when it's due to the offenses being stinky..it's not so much fun

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:30 PM
Cintron singles to end Milton's streak at 17 in a row retired.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:31 PM
We aren't competing next year.

They're still building for 2003...

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:31 PM
As long as Lindner, Allen and O'Brien are in charge we are not competing any time.

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Unless 2 great starting pitchers suddenly turn up..we aren't competing next year

Great Krono - and I don't disagree with you. The important question is not what you and I think, but what's going thru the minds of DanO and the rest of the FO? My guess is 2006 is not going to be pushed on to the Reds fans as a rebuilding year and that's precisely why I think the FO may think Milton could be a key cog in next season's plans, esp. if he continues to pitch like he has the last few starts.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Clayton grounds out. 0-0 after 6.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:32 PM
They're still building for 2003...

Nah, in defense of the F.O., they do have a plan in place to be competitive by the time their new ballpark opens in 2025.

reds44
07-10-2005, 07:33 PM
Meanwhile 0's after 6.

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 07:33 PM
I usually love a good pitchers dual, but when it's due to the offenses being stinky..it's not so much fun

Milton's pitching very very well.

Quit complaining.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Great Krono - and I don't disagree with you. The important question is not what you and I think, but what's going thru the minds of DanO and the rest of the FO? My guess is 2006 is not going to be pushed on to the Reds fans as a rebuilding year and that's precisely why I think the FO may think Milton could be a key cog in next season's plans, esp. if he continues to pitch like he has the last few starts.

I absolutely think it's possible that DanO holds onto Milton, thinking it was Gullet's mismanagement or bad hoodoo or whatever. Yes. Which is awful. But it may not even matter in the long run, as I suspect nearly every team would have avoided Milton and his contract at the trading deadline.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Nah, in defense of the F.O., they do have a plan in place to be competitive by the time their new ballpark opens in 2025.

Well, that's progress! :thumbup:

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 07:35 PM
I usually love a good pitchers dual, but when it's due to the offenses being stinky..it's not so much fun

The Reds have one of the best offenses in the league; I'd suggest that the Diamondbacks are making the pitches when they have to.

And Milton hasn't really given up anything all day.

OldXOhio
07-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Geez, I know the guy has flat out sucked this year, but can we not give a little credit when it's due. He's thrown a shutout through six. Come on.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:36 PM
Milton's pitching very very well.

Quit complaining.

Make me :p:

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Geez, I know the guy has flat out sucked this year, but can we not give a little credit when it's due. He's thrown a shutout through six. Come on.

I think a little skepticism is perfectly understandable considering the misery the guy's put us fans through this season.

TRF
07-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Hi. My name is TRF, and I have obviously stumbled into an alternate evil universe where Milton is a good pitcher. Pardon the intrusion, and please don't enslave me.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Reds are retired 1-2-3. 0-0 mid 7th.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Speaking of misery: Aurilia .705 OPS.

reds44
07-10-2005, 07:39 PM
When we pitch we dont hit, when we hit we dont pitch.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:40 PM
Nah, in defense of the F.O., they do have a plan in place to be competitive by the time their new ballpark opens in 2025.

That'll be 2035, it'll be a retractable roof place built where Paul Brown stadium used to be, the Bengals having moved across the river to Covington ;)

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:40 PM
Hi. My name is TRF, and I have obviously stumbled into an alternate evil universe where Milton is a good pitcher. Pardon the intrusion, and please don't enslave me.

Thereby proving the scientific postulate: Goatees indicate people are evil mirror universe individuals.

EDITED TO ADD: Wow...I now have as many posts as Steel has reputation points. I feel such a sense of accomplisment. :D

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:40 PM
Thereby proving the scientific postulate: Goatees indicate people are evil mirror universe individuals.

I just started growing a goatee..have I led to the Milton resurgence??

Puffy
07-10-2005, 07:41 PM
Milton's pitching very very well.

Quit complaining.

Quit telling people what to do.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:42 PM
Quit telling people what to do.

Quit telling people to quit telling other people what to do. :evil:

GAC
07-10-2005, 07:44 PM
When we pitch we dont hit, when we hit we dont pitch.

Just simply good pitching on both sides.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:44 PM
If you all don't stop arguing I'll sic the head of Dan Miceli on you!!

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:44 PM
8 K's for Milton now.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:45 PM
Quit telling people to quit telling other people what to do. :evil:

Quit telling people who tell people to quit telling people what to do, what to do :p:

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:45 PM
Clark homers. 1-0 DBacks.

GAC
07-10-2005, 07:46 PM
Tony Clark homer

1-0 D'backs

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:46 PM
A MILTON!!!!

Home again!

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 07:46 PM
Way outta there

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Get him out of there

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Green doubles off the wall in center.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Milton suddenly, and with very little warning, runs out of gas.

EDITED TO ADD: And it's just poor managing that they only now have someone warming up in the bullpen, given Milton's previous track record.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:49 PM
Somebody heat up the suck-o-meter.

reds44
07-10-2005, 07:50 PM
You guys turn on a guy quickly.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:50 PM
Terrero singles in a run. 2-0 Dbacks. Milton coming out of the game.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 07:50 PM
800-foot foul ball there.

Yikes.

Astute observation, Caveat. That's Milton's M.O., BTW.

Guy can be pitching a no-no and then suddenly baseballs are flying everywhere.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:51 PM
You guys turn on a guy quickly.

I think it's the other way around. Having to tolerate start after start of his crap.

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 07:52 PM
Somebody heat up the suck-o-meter.

It just occured to me that Falls City Beer must, in reality, be Marty.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:52 PM
Narron comes out to preserve the QS for Uncle Milty.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:53 PM
Mercker in to pitch.

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 07:53 PM
Quit telling people what to do.

Well if everyone on this board didn't find a way to complain about every possible thing then I wouldn't have to.

At the time complaining about a 6 inning 2 hit shutout was absolutely insane IMO.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:53 PM
As an aside, with the number of baserunners that the Reds have had in this game, they should've staked Milton to at least some sort of lead prior to this inning.

All in all, it was a very good start by Milton.

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 07:54 PM
As an aside, with the number of baserunners that the Reds have had in this game, they should've staked Milton to at least some sort of lead prior to this inning.

All in all, it was a very good start by Milton.

Agreed.

Matt700wlw
07-10-2005, 07:54 PM
As an aside, with the number of baserunners that the Reds have had in this game, they should've staked Milton to at least some sort of lead prior to this inning.

All in all, it was a very good start by Milton.

Yes.

Milton did well, and has his past several starts.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 07:55 PM
As an aside, with the number of baserunners that the Reds have had in this game, they should've staked Milton to at least some sort of lead prior to this inning.

All in all, it was a very good start by Milton.

Very good?

I wouldn't go overboard. 6 2/3 of 2 maybe 3 run ball? Eh. Whatever.

Very good would have been 7 shutout innings.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 07:55 PM
Well if everyone on this board didn't find a way to complain about every possible thing then I wouldn't have to.

At the time complaining about a 6 inning 2 hit shutout was absolutely insane IMO.

Actually, complaining about complaining is the last of all possible things to complain about.

Good job.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:55 PM
Stinnett pops out to short. 2-0 Dbacks after 7.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 07:57 PM
Very good?

I wouldn't go overboard. 6 2/3 of 2 maybe 3 run ball? Eh. Whatever.

Very good would have been 7 shutout innings.

On a team sporting a team ERA a full run and a half better than the league average (5.46, I believe), 6.2 of 2 run ball makes him the veritable second coming of Cy Young.

Puffy
07-10-2005, 07:57 PM
Actually, complaining about complaining is the last of all possible things to complain about.

Good job.

Yup, complaint cops are always the shiznit.

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Very good?

I wouldn't go overboard. 6 2/3 of 2 maybe 3 run ball? Eh. Whatever.

Very good would have been 7 shutout innings.

If Milton did that every game he would sport an ERA of 2.70, which would be excellent.

A 2.70 ERA is not an "eh, whatever" pitcher.

Patrick Bateman
07-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Very good?

I wouldn't go overboard. 6 2/3 of 2 maybe 3 run ball? Eh. Whatever.

If we did that every start we would probably be the best team in baseball and Milton would be drawing comparisons to Dontrelle Willis.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 07:59 PM
Armando Almanza in to pitch for Arizona.

PuffyPig
07-10-2005, 07:59 PM
If we did that every start we would probably be the best team in baseball and Milton would be drawing comparisons to Dontrelle Willis.

I've taught you well.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 08:00 PM
Everyone just needs to chill...

Everyone knows the Reds don't show up against the Diamondbacks until the 8th inning.

:beerme:

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:00 PM
Casey walks on 4 pitches.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:01 PM
Junior fouls out to 3rd. 1 out.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:02 PM
Junior...c'mon. Guy can't throw a strike to save his life and you're up there first-pitch swinging. That's not good.

Puffy
07-10-2005, 08:03 PM
Junior...c'mon. Guy can't throw a strike to save his life and you're up there first-pitch swinging. That's not good.

Ahhh, that was a grooved fastball - Junior just missed it. He guessed fastball in a zone, got it, missed it.

It happens.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 08:03 PM
Junior...c'mon. Guy can't throw a strike to save his life and you're up there first-pitch swinging. That's not good.

Have I ever told you how much I hate first pitch swinging?

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:03 PM
Jose Valverde in to pitch.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 08:04 PM
If we did that every start we would probably be the best team in baseball and Milton would be drawing comparisons to Dontrelle Willis.
Not with this bullpen :evil:

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:05 PM
Passed ball moves Casey to 2nd.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:05 PM
Umps get the non-foul ball call right. Casey on 2nd after a PB.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Randa grounds out to 2nd. Casey moves to 3rd. 2 outs.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Ahhh, that was a grooved fastball - Junior just missed it. He guessed fastball in a zone, got it, missed it.

It happens.

I'll have to see a replay. It appeared to be high and touch outside.

In any case, I'm a big fan of making the pitcher throw you at least one strike after he's been completely wild with the hitter before him.

Randa grounds out to Cintron on Ball four.

Casey goes to third.

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 08:09 PM
Speaking of "Taking pitches"...Is it just me, or does Adam Dunn take more than a few pitches that appear to be just metballs hanging right over the plate?

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:10 PM
Umpire figures out where Dunn's knees are on Ball Two and then forgets on called Strike Two.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 08:10 PM
Strike 2 to Dunn was near his feet

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:11 PM
Speaking of "Taking pitches"...Is it just me, or does Adam Dunn take more than a few pitches that appear to be just metballs hanging right over the plate?

Dunn sees so many pitches that even though it might appear that way, it really isn't.

Dunn wanted to make Valverde throw him a strike there.

jmcclain19
07-10-2005, 08:11 PM
http://www.offcenter.us/humor/MiltonMeter29.jpg

Milton Meter ticking up to 29

Caveat Emperor
07-10-2005, 08:11 PM
Umpire figures out where Dunn's knees are on Ball Two and then forgets on called Strike Two.

Dunn needs to consult Ryan Wagner for fashion tips in order to fix this chronic problem of him getting screwed on the low strike.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:12 PM
Dunn flies out to Green. 3 down.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:13 PM
Dunn lines out to right. Reds have now left 9 runners on base. 2-0 Dbacks mid 8th.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:18 PM
1-2-3 inning for Mercker. 2-0 Dbacks after 8.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:20 PM
Brian Bruney in to pitch.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:21 PM
Pena strikes out looking. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:23 PM
Larue strikes out looking. 2 outs.

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 08:23 PM
Cruz up

KronoRed
07-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Cruz down..game over.

SteelSD
07-10-2005, 08:25 PM
Cruz down swinging. Bruney with a more impressive Inning of work than anything I've seen from a Reds pitcher all year.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2005, 08:25 PM
Cruz strikes out swinging. Reds lose 2-0.

CTA513
07-10-2005, 08:26 PM
The Reds were walked 6 times and 5 hits but score 0.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2005, 08:27 PM
Same old Reds.

WVRedsFan
07-10-2005, 08:30 PM
"The best offense in the National League" let us down today, but hitting with RISP has been a problem (no, I'm not Marty) with this team. We must gain our tremendous statistics in blowout games because we weren't facing Cy Young out there. Lefthanders give this team problems.

Eric Milton pitched a good game, allowing two runs in 6.2 innings--all we can ask of a pitcher and in most cases with most teams it would be a winning game, but not here.

You've heard of teams that find ways to win. The Reds find ways to lose. Good pitching=no hitting. Bad pitching=plenty of runs. Unknown lefthander=loss. 4-3 in the last 7 games. At least it was interesting.

traderumor
07-10-2005, 08:35 PM
Junior...c'mon. Guy can't throw a strike to save his life and you're up there first-pitch swinging. That's not good.Oh, but didn't you hear Chris Welsh tell us how smart that was, thinking the guy might lay one right in there for him? :angry:

Why can't Welsh just say "boy that was dumb."

oneupper
07-10-2005, 08:44 PM
Getting shut out is the worst...I hate getting shut out!

Reds had enough chances...argghhh!

smith288
07-10-2005, 09:03 PM
:thisyear:

smith288
07-10-2005, 09:04 PM
http://www.ejsmithweb.com/mlbvote/temp/miltonchart.png