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RedFanAlways1966
07-11-2005, 08:16 AM
Some humor...

The Top 10 Songs That Killed Arena Rock
Classic Rock Revisited founder Jeb Wright has compiled a list of songs that he believes contributed to the death of arena rock. The following list has been posted at the official CRR website:

10. 'Beth' - KISS
"Kiss was the most dangerous band in the land. Parents worried that junior would join forces with Satan himself if they even accidentally heard their music. 'Beth' sowed the seeds of the puke-filled power ballads of the 80’s. This song showed that a hard rock band could sound like Barry Manilow and appeal to teenage girls thus making record companies wet their pants with greed. While Kiss have always been about da money, 'Beth' opened the door for others to abandon hard rock and instead go for the teeny-bopper bucks."

09. 'Open Arms' - JOURNEY
"Journey began as a progressive rock experiment led by ex-Santana members Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie. By the time the 80’s showed up, Rolie had enough and moved on. Journey went from making classic tracks like 'Wheel In The Sky' and 'Lights' to making crap pop drivel. Jonathan Cain, from The Baby’s, came onboard and 'Open Arms' took the world by storm. The song sounded worse than a Vegas lounge act but fans ate it up. Teenage girls began touching themselves and the rest is history. Journey, in a short time, went from prog rock to ***** rock. Eventually, Steve Perry thought he was Perry Como and left the band to be a solo crooner and Journey was gone forever."

08. 'Babe' - STYX
"Styx was on top of their game in the 1970’s. They were the leaders in Arena Rock and their album Grand Illusion seemed to be the crème de la crème of the genre. Only a couple of years later, Dennis DeYoung wrote the skating rink classic 'Babe' and the band soared to # 1 on the charts. Styx, nor their legions of hard rock fans, would ever be the same."

07. 'Keep The Fire Burning’ - REO SPEEDWAGON
"REO is best remembered as the band that released High Infidelity and took Arena Rock to new heights. However, for ten years before that release, the band were considered Midwest America’s hardest rocking live act with songs like 'Riding The Storm Out' and 'Golden Country'. While one could argue that the song 'Keep On Loving You' should be on this list, it was the next years' release 'Keep The Fire Burring' that proved just how bad a good band could become. Like DeYoung, REO front man Kevin Cronin decided to cut his hair and wear really bad clothing. When hardcore fans had to sit through this song being sung twice in the same concert on the ensuing tour, they began heading for the exit in droves."

06. 'Waiting For A Girl Like You' - FOREIGNER
"Some call this the quintessential moment for the band Foreigner. I call it crap. The band abandoned all of its hard rock sensibility and went straight for the pop jugular. This song, along with the entire pop scented 4 album, took the world by storm and made stars out of the band. It also left behind songs like 'Double Vision' and 'Long Long Way From Home' and spawned pussified tunes such as 'I Want to Know What Love Is' and 'Urgent'. What should have been considered urgent was the fact that Foreigner was starting to suck."

05. 'New World Man' - RUSH
"I can’t get the image from my mind from the moment his song was released to rock radio. I was sitting with friends eagerly anticipating another Rush hard rock classic. Our jaws dropped in unison as we heard music that sounded more like the Go-Go’s than Rush crackling over the airwaves. Moving Pictures had been one of the most brilliant albums ever released and Rush seemed to be taking their music to new and dizzying heights each year. Like the others on this list, Rush all got haircuts and forgot how to rock. Keyboards became the band's instrument of choice and 'New World Man' became the template the band would work off of going forward. Alex Lifeson could have retired and no one would have noticed. I am not sure he has even played a guitar solo since 1982."

04. Velcro Fly - ZZ TOP
"History shows us that ZZ’s experiment of blending their Tejas roots with the modern sounds of the day paid off big with the release of the album Eliminator. Following up on that idea, however, proved to be dreadful. 'Velcro Fly' was just plain stupid. It lacked the humor of 'Pearl Necklace' and sent the die-hards racing for the exits. 'Rough Boy' was another dreadful mistake by this otherwise brilliant band."

03. 'Another One Bites The Dust' - QUEEN
"Young, white, heterosexual male hard rock fans often show up extremely homophobic on psychological profiles. But they could more accept Queen front man Freddie Mercury as a foo-foo boy than they could accept this song. The band broke their own cardinal rule and began playing synthesizer on this song. Up until that moment, Queen had been adamant in making a point that they were not relying on such gimmicks. The band got the ritual pop icon haircuts and changed their look and set out to make money instead of music. It worked. However bad the song 'Flash Gordon' is, it was this song that set the wheels in motion to change one of rocks mightiest bands into money grubbing little girls."

02. 'Amanda' - BOSTON
"Legal battles kept Boston from releasing any music for over half a decade. By the time Third Stage came around all of the above tunes had already damaged Arena Rock’s reputation. Boston could have come up with a song to bring the genre back to glory and prominence. Instead, they released the biggest pile of dung they had written to that point. Potheads everywhere gave up on music that fateful day. We would never again see anything as grand as the bands self-titled debut. Instead, we would hear only weak attempts of dying bands trying to stay on the radio and in the limelight."

01. Mr. Roboto - STYX
"Dennis DeYoung proved he had been a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He masqueraded as a rock star throughout the 1970’s but with 'Mr. Roboto' DeYoung proved he wanted to be a Broadway star all along. This song single-handedly destroyed the original line up of the band. He forced his band mates to humiliate themselves by acting onstage. DeYoung was convinced that 'Mr. Roboto' would put him in the same light at Pete Townshend. Instead of seeing his dream reach the heights of classic rock operas like Tommy, 'Mr. Roboto' became the butt of a lifetime of jokes. DeYoung still defends 'Roboto'. He told this writer, ''Mr. Roboto' is now a vernacular of our culture. You can’t go anywhere without someone saying, Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto. I can’t even begin to tell you how many television shows and movies that line has been in. From The Simpson’s to Howard Stern to King of Queens to Austin Powers to Adam Sandler’s Eight Crazy Nights to the Volkswagen commercial to Dodgeball, it is everywhere you look.' Hello? Dennis, time someone told you the truth…They are making fun of you!"

GAC
07-11-2005, 08:29 AM
The only album I liked by Styx was Equinox. And songs like "Babe" and "Open Arms (you could add "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin" to that list too) made me want to abuse the neighbor's cats.

I never was a KISS fan (different generation I guess). I heard "Another One Bites The Dust" just the other day. There's another radio station I'm boycotting.

But I am surprised that there isn't any Genesis on that list. Phil Collins is another one that makes me want to pull my hair out.

I saw ZZ Top many years ago. I'm just now getting my hearing back. :lol:

Johnny Footstool
07-11-2005, 09:54 AM
The thing is, Arena Rock didn't "die" per se. It morphed into Hair Metal, which rocked pretty well for a few years before collapsing under the weight of hack bands like Enuff Z'Nuff and Firehouse. Then Grunge came along and put the nail in the coffin.

registerthis
07-11-2005, 10:03 AM
The comment about Alex Lifeson is sheer idiocy. Never mind that Rush's most recent album didn't contain a single keyboard-played note.

That's why I hate lists like this, they just pander to the Lowest Common Denominator. Oh, Rush used keyboards, therefore this is when they started to suck, and I might as well not listen to anything they recorded in the last 23 years.

I agree about Kiss though! ;)

REDREAD
07-11-2005, 10:11 AM
I liked "Velcro Fly".. Altough I couldn't stand "Rough Boy". I saw ZZ Top too, GAC many years ago.

The guy makes good points on the rest of the albums. However, I really don't see the distinction of Journey. They always seemed the same to me. "Wheel in the Sky" sounds just like all their other songs.

CrackerJack
07-11-2005, 11:13 AM
05. 'New World Man' - RUSH
"I can’t get the image from my mind from the moment his song was released to rock radio. I was sitting with friends eagerly anticipating another Rush hard rock classic. Our jaws dropped in unison as we heard music that sounded more like the Go-Go’s than Rush crackling over the airwaves. Moving Pictures had been one of the most brilliant albums ever released and Rush seemed to be taking their music to new and dizzying heights each year. Like the others on this list, Rush all got haircuts and forgot how to rock. Keyboards became the band's instrument of choice and 'New World Man' became the template the band would work off of going forward. Alex Lifeson could have retired and no one would have noticed. I am not sure he has even played a guitar solo since 1982."


Rubbish, "Signals" was their last great album - although I liked "Grace Under Pressure" quite a bit - I felt that album was the true start of their decline. Lifeson still contributed heavily up until after GUP.

If bands can't be creative and evolve their sound over time then they are doomed to burn out and become boring and cliche...kind of like Country music has been for the last 20 years. :)

Dom Heffner
07-11-2005, 11:53 AM
That's why I hate lists like this, they just pander to the Lowest Common Denominator. Oh, Rush used keyboards, therefore this is when they started to suck, and I might as well not listen to anything they recorded in the last 23 years.

I always though they were terrible, keyboards or not. But what do I know, I owned both Escape and Frontiers by Journey. :)

Don't ask me if I had Kilroy Was Here. Please, don't.

Michael Allred
07-11-2005, 05:35 PM
03. 'Another One Bites The Dust' - QUEEN
"Young, white, heterosexual male hard rock fans often show up extremely homophobic on psychological profiles. But they could more accept Queen front man Freddie Mercury as a foo-foo boy than they could accept this song. The band broke their own cardinal rule and began playing synthesizer on this song. Up until that moment, Queen had been adamant in making a point that they were not relying on such gimmicks. The band got the ritual pop icon haircuts and changed their look and set out to make money instead of music. It worked. However bad the song 'Flash Gordon' is, it was this song that set the wheels in motion to change one of rocks mightiest bands into money grubbing little girls."


One of the catchiest songs of all time. The writer is a complete moron.

pedro
07-11-2005, 05:40 PM
This list can not complete without "Athena" by the Who.

M2
07-11-2005, 05:49 PM
I think arena rock jumped the shark the moment Jimmy Page whipped out the violin bow for the most self-indulgent solo on the worst concert album ever made.

Sure it continued for years after that, but that was the signal that it had become a caricature of itself, kind of like post-bloat Elizabeth Taylor.

Falls City Beer
07-11-2005, 05:55 PM
I think arena rock jumped the shark the moment Jimmy Page whipped out the violin bow for the most self-indulgent solo on the worst concert album ever made.

Sure it continued for years after that, but that was the signal that it had become a caricature of itself, kind of like post-bloat Elizabeth Taylor.

No, it was definitely when he started messing with the rabbit-ears on his theremin.

pedro
07-11-2005, 06:07 PM
I think arena rock jumped the shark the moment Jimmy Page whipped out the violin bow for the most self-indulgent solo on the worst concert album ever made.

Sure it continued for years after that, but that was the signal that it had become a caricature of itself, kind of like post-bloat Elizabeth Taylor.

word. I hate that movie.

Blimpie
07-12-2005, 10:11 AM
I think arena rock jumped the shark the moment Jimmy Page whipped out the violin bow for the most self-indulgent solo on the worst concert album ever made.

Sure it continued for years after that, but that was the signal that it had become a caricature of itself, kind of like post-bloat Elizabeth Taylor.I actually enjoyed the movie version of "The Song Remains the Same" quite alot. However, I would have to agree with you on the 26 minute version of "Dazed and Confused." Page was always known for his "look at me" tendencies....

In fact, when I was in college, I got to see The Firm play a concert one night in Tampa. During a fine version of "Fortune Hunter," the entire band left the stage and Page pulled out the bow. You guessed it.

Oh well, it gave me time to get back in the beer line I guess. :D

Johnny Footstool
07-12-2005, 10:48 AM
The GNR/Metallica co-headlining tour in 1992 truly killed arena rock. Overpriced and overblown, James Hetfield caught fire in Montreal and Axl cut GNR's set short after only 4 songs. With "alternative" rock like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden already starting to take hold, most fans pretty much got tired of the metal hype. Nirvana sealed the deal.

registerthis
07-12-2005, 11:15 AM
I think Hootie and the Blowfish killed Arena Rock.

No real reason why, I just do.

M2
07-12-2005, 11:20 AM
The GNR/Metallica co-headlining tour in 1992 truly killed arena rock. Overpriced and overblown, James Hetfield caught fire in Montreal and Axl cut GNR's set short after only 4 songs. With "alternative" rock like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden already starting to take hold, most fans pretty much got tired of the metal hype. Nirvana sealed the deal.

That wasn't Arena Rock. That was Son of Arena Rock.

Caveat Emperor
07-12-2005, 12:14 PM
Arena rock truly died the day Gary Glitter took his computer in to get serviced all those many years ago...

Johnny Footstool
07-12-2005, 12:14 PM
That wasn't Arena Rock. That was Son of Arena Rock.

Nah. Same animal, but the long, stringy hair became teased and sprayed hair.

M2
07-12-2005, 12:31 PM
Nah. Same animal, but the long, stringy hair became teased and sprayed hair.

That took about a decade to happen though.

Technically-speaking there's been an unbroken string of arena rock since the early 1970s, but I don't think you can glom together the original corporate rock and glam metal. At the very least you've got Judas Priest/Iron Maiden interlude between them.

pedro
07-12-2005, 12:39 PM
on a related note -

Punk rock died the day the first kid said punk's not dead, punk's not dead.

alex trevino
07-12-2005, 10:30 PM
Posion the ultimate in hair bands..Who can ever forget that little diddy "Talk Dirty to me"

cincinnati chili
07-13-2005, 12:15 AM
I agree that "New World Man" and "Another One Bites the Dust" don't belong on this list. I didn't really think that NWM was an affront to arena rock. My problem with Signals, in general, was that it was shamelssly Police-influenced. Love the Police, but feel like Rush got pulled into a trend and wound up with something dated, rather than spinning off into the Weather-Report vein that MOving Pictures was spiraling toward.

"Another One Bites the Dust" is a silly song still makes me laugh sometimes. This song did nothing to hurt Queen. "The Game" had some unabashed genre experiments (the Elvis-y "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" and the mock du-wop "don't try suicide.")

BoydsOfSummer
07-13-2005, 12:29 AM
"Certainly on Signals,there was a conflict,I think,between the guitar and the keyboards we were using. For me,that's always been a bit of a sore spot,that record." -Alex Lifeson,in 'Contents Under Pressure -30 years of Rush

pedro
07-13-2005, 01:26 AM
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

NJReds
07-13-2005, 08:40 AM
Not so much Arena Rock...but driving home and flipping through the stations I heard Steve Miller's "Abracadabra" and wondered why the guy responsible for some pretty good rock decided to channel Hall & Oates.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-13-2005, 10:12 AM
10. 'Beth' - KISS
"Kiss was the most dangerous band in the land. Parents worried that junior would join forces with Satan himself if they even accidentally heard their music. 'Beth' sowed the seeds of the puke-filled power ballads of the 80’s. This song showed that a hard rock band could sound like Barry Manilow and appeal to teenage girls thus making record companies wet their pants with greed. While Kiss have always been about da money, 'Beth' opened the door for others to abandon hard rock and instead go for the teeny-bopper bucks."



Am I the only one who likes this song? Or this band, for that matter? I agree I was one of those kids growing up who had a fascination with Kiss, much to my parents' (and a very religious next-door-neighbor's) chagrin. They were loud, looked cool and your parents hated them. What's not to like.

I went to see Kiss during their reunion tour back in '96 at the Nutter Center and again at Rupp Arena (first time I ever saw them) and they rocked. Many of the songs were forgettable but the concerts sure weren't.

RedsFan75
07-13-2005, 10:23 AM
I always liked Beth, and I liked Styx's Babe... I thought they were good diversions that showed a little more depth.

Some of the other songs on that list were good fun songs, and some were right up there in the 'what were they thinking' category...

Arena Rock wasn't killed by those songs.

Arena Rock started to slide after the 'Who' concert in Cincinnati. After that it was a different atmopshere at the shows. That combined with the increased power and popularity of Radio and the influx of Metal... that's when Arena Rock started to diminish.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-13-2005, 11:30 AM
Video killed the radio star

That's a great song but it has some element of truth to it. The music video (MTV) arrival coincided with the end of the classic arena rock era. Bands went for the more MTV-friendly and radio-friendly songs, all of which had to be about 3-4 minutes in length. :thumbdown

Corporate greed killed arena rock.

Unassisted
07-13-2005, 12:09 PM
I think that the list is an oversimplification. Some of those were ballads, released to broaden the appeal of the band and get its music played on more stations. None of the songs define the band that released them as singles. If they were career-killers, I think the writer would have a stronger case, but none of them were.

I agree with R/F Fan's assessment above.

BoydsOfSummer
07-13-2005, 07:57 PM
I've seen KISS 4 times. First time in 1978 when I was 12,last time two years ago with Aerosmith and Saliva. There seems to be no middle ground with them usually,either you think they are silly or you like them. I happen to think they are silly and rock. they don't take themselves all that serious and neither do I.

Gene Simmons spreading his wings and "flying" to the top of the arena,then spitting blood while thumbing the intro to God of Thunder. Thats top notch stuff people...lol

cincinnati chili
07-13-2005, 08:00 PM
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Our brave computers fill these hallowed halls.

alex trevino
07-13-2005, 08:09 PM
I had the aerosmith logo drawn on the back of my permission book in high school. I saw Aerosmith in concert in the late 1970's and they really sucked. The band opening for them was the semi-country band "Exile" with their smash hit "I want to Kiss you All Over"

KittyDuran
07-13-2005, 08:48 PM
Not so much Arena Rock...but driving home and flipping through the stations I heard Steve Miller's "Abracadabra" and wondered why the guy responsible for some pretty good rock decided to channel Hall & Oates.Yeah, but the video was umm...interesting... ;)

GAC
07-13-2005, 08:56 PM
I had the aerosmith logo drawn on the back of my permission book in high school. I saw Aerosmith in concert in the late 1970's and they really sucked. The band opening for them was the semi-country band "Exile" with their smash hit "I want to Kiss you All Over"

I saw that same tour in the late 70's. They played UD arena. And Aerosmith was terrible. Simply too drugged out. Saw them again several years later in Columbus, after the Joe Perry exit and return, and they gave an excellent show (they were clean).

How about adding Foghat to that list?....SLOOOOOOOOW RIDE! :lol:

Cheap Trick?.... "I Want Yoooooou To Waaaaaaaaant Me"

BoydsOfSummer
07-13-2005, 09:01 PM
My friend who was with me at the Aerosmith/KISS show said the exact same thing GAC. That SMith were a completely different band than when he had seen them years earlier when they were heavy into the drugs and drinking.