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Buckeye33
07-15-2005, 07:00 PM
Rockies:

1. Sullivan CF
2. Miles 2B
3. Helton 1B
4. Atkins 3B
5. Byrnes LF
6. Piedra RF
7. Gonzalez SS
8. Ardoin C
9. Jennings P

Reds

1. Lopez SS
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Casey 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Randa 3B
6. Dunn LF
7. Pena RF
8. LaRue C
9. Harang P

The Rockies lineup is almost as bad as the Reds Sept 2002 lineups.

Here's to a win!

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 07:10 PM
Two of our best hitters batting 6th and 7th again. Hell, why not bat Lopez 8th while you're at it?

kheidg-
07-15-2005, 07:19 PM
I don't see Aurilia being moved out of the 2 hole until he is traded. It would be amazing if we could get a legitimate prospect for him.

Cyclone792
07-15-2005, 07:21 PM
Two of our worst hitters batting 2nd and 3rd too. :bang:

I do think I've finally found O'Brien and Narron's strategy with this, though. They've calculated thus far that the typical first inning with this lineup will produce a scenario of ...

Lopez singles
Aurilia pops out
Casey grounds into a Casey, ending the inning.

Now here's the kicker: their strategy is then to lead off with Griffey in the second inning, and hammer in some runs with the true meat of the order! Get some guys on, bring some power to the plate, have the pitcher in there to give up an out in order to move runners over, then have Lopez at the back end cleaning up any leftovers. Finally, Aurilia and Casey are back up to the plate after the rest of the lineup has done the damage.

;)

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 07:48 PM
I think they are shining up Aurilia and Casey for a trade, which means protect them and get them ABs.

Wait did I say think, I meant really, really, really hope.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 07:52 PM
Brilliant, Cyclone. You may have done that tongue firmly in cheek... but, well, you know.

RedsBaron
07-15-2005, 08:01 PM
Two of our best hitters batting 6th and 7th again. Hell, why not bat Lopez 8th while you're at it?
Don't give these morons any ideas.

Buckeye33
07-15-2005, 08:07 PM
Well damn, the game was listed as being on TV tonight here in Columbus and it's not on so far.

Anyone else having this problem?

guttle11
07-15-2005, 08:09 PM
Well damn, the game was listed as being on TV tonight here in Columbus and it's not on so far.

Anyone else having this problem?


its on here in dayton

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:12 PM
I am calling the complete game from Harang tonight. A HR from both Dunn and Randa, and Casey has 1 Casey.

kheidg-
07-15-2005, 08:14 PM
I think Casey will start the second half off good and go 3-4 with a HR.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:14 PM
Cringe alert: Leadoff batter for the Rockies, Cory Sullivan, has a .326 OBP and dropping. Yeah thats right, I said OBP, and I won't mention his .654 OPS, nope not at all. Sheesh, if the Reds don;t sweep, I will be disappointed. Revenge aside, this Rockies team blows now.

TeamCasey
07-15-2005, 08:16 PM
O.K. GAC, where the heck are ya?

Buckeye33
07-15-2005, 08:17 PM
its on here in dayton

Looks like I may be screwed tonight. It was suppose to be on the FSN Alternate channel here in Columbus and instead that channel has G4 network on.

Fun.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:18 PM
Harang a perfect first, GO to 2nd, K, Fly out to Junior on 14 pitches. Harden who? :evil:

TRF
07-15-2005, 08:19 PM
MLB Extra Innings is free for the next few games.

traderumor
07-15-2005, 08:21 PM
I'm not getting it here in Newark either, must be a problem at the point of origination. The problem is not in your set

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 08:22 PM
I wish the Reds would go after Jennings. I think he could develop into a decent pitcher if he ever gets out of Coors. Check out his minor league totals. Nice k/9, k/bb, and h/9 before he reach Colorado Springs--the Coors of the minors.

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/jason_jennings.shtml

Falls City Beer
07-15-2005, 08:27 PM
I wish the Reds would go after Jennings. I think he could develop into a decent pitcher if he ever gets out of Coors. Check out his minor league totals. Nice k/9, k/bb, and h/9 before he reach Colorado Springs--the Coors of the minors.

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/jason_jennings.shtml

I totally agree. Totally and completely. He's just waiting to be effective.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2005, 08:31 PM
When a pitcher is obtained by the Rockies, their ERA automatically goes up 2 points without even throwing a pitch

Big Klu
07-15-2005, 08:32 PM
Well damn, the game was listed as being on TV tonight here in Columbus and it's not on so far.

Anyone else having this problem?


Looks like I may be screwed tonight. It was suppose to be on the FSN Alternate channel here in Columbus


MLB Extra Innings is free for the next few games.


I'm not getting it here in Newark either, must be a problem at the point of origination. The problem is not in your set


Buckeye and traderumor,

I'm having the same problem here in Cambridge. And what's worse--I can't pick up a radio station that carries the Reds, either.


TRF,

The EI feed is being blacked out here.

Coffeybro
07-15-2005, 08:33 PM
When a pitcher is obtained by the Rockies, their ERA automatically goes up 2 points without even throwing a pitch

Zach Day is in for some trouble then.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:43 PM
With this lineup, I am very surprised Harang has even issued a walk, or even bothering to paint the corners. He should be at the "here is my stuff try and hit it" point today.

TRF
07-15-2005, 08:46 PM
BTW it's 1-0 Reds.

FeLo scored on a Casey single.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 08:48 PM
You can get Marty and Steve here... click on "Streaming".

http://www.wkki.net/stream.htm

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 08:49 PM
And Jr made a running over-the-shoulder catch at the warning track in the top of the second.

TRF
07-15-2005, 08:49 PM
Dunn flied out to center, Pena GO to third. two outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 08:49 PM
Kearns is out of the lineup tonight. Trade? Callup?

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 08:51 PM
Harang had a HR foul! Man, he thought he had it too.

TRF
07-15-2005, 08:51 PM
LaRue reaches on an error.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 08:51 PM
Did ya get the radio link?

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:52 PM
Larue is quietly not only saving the season offensively, but putting together a darn good one at that. He is creeping close to .800 OPS, and his lay man average is getting in to respectable range.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 08:52 PM
Top of the order coming up in the 3rd.

TRF
07-15-2005, 08:55 PM
LaRue just keeps improving offensively. every year.

Fine ball player.

So do we not do PBP anymore?

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:57 PM
LaRue just keeps improving offensively. every year.

Fine ball player.

So do we not do PBP anymore?

Sounds like we have a volunteer! :evil:

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 08:59 PM
Jennings Ks, Sullivan bunts out to Larue, and Miles Ks.

Aaron now with 4 Ks through 3 innings (47 pitches/32strikes). I don't like the trade talk circulating around this guy, he seems like next year he will be beyond valuable.

GAC
07-15-2005, 09:00 PM
The king is in chat just in case anyone wants to know. ;)

GAC
07-15-2005, 09:00 PM
Casey 2 fer 2

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:01 PM
Base hit - Felipe (2 for 2).

And a stolen base!

GAC
07-15-2005, 09:01 PM
Oops...make that Lopez. I get the two mixed up :lol:

Lopez steals 2B

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:03 PM
Do you ever feel bad for opposing players? I feel bad, just bad, for Colorado pitchers.

GAC
07-15-2005, 09:03 PM
So now we know why RA is in the #2 spot..... Welsh says he does the little things - such as moving the runner to 3B.

RA pops out! :lol:

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:05 PM
Casey flies out to center. 2 outs (third inning)

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Splitting up the lefthanders rears its ugly head, Griffey gets the IBB to face Randa, who promptly lines out on the first pitch.

Top of 4, 1-0 Reds.

Puffy
07-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Junior intentionally walked - Randa up with runners on 1st and 2nd.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:11 PM
Helton grounds out on 3 pitches for the first out of the 4th, Harang's ERA is now down to 3.99.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:12 PM
Atkins FO to Pena in right, ERA watch: 3.98.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Byrnes Ks on 3 pitches, 5 now for Aaron. Through 4, 59 pitches - 41 strikes, 5 Ks, 1 BB, 1 hit, 3.97 ERA.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:18 PM
Dunn Ks swinging on a full count crap pitch low and inside.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 09:18 PM
What is Dunn doing? He's been swinging at horrible pitches lately. Result of him being too agressive at the plate.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2005, 09:19 PM
Splitting up the lefthanders rears its ugly head, Griffey gets the IBB to face Randa, who promptly lines out on the first pitch.

Top of 4, 1-0 Reds.

Put Pena at 5...Randa at 2 and Dunn at 3 and problem solved -- or even Dunn at 2 and Randa at 3...

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:24 PM
Harang gives up the anti-Browning, leadoff double.

Jorge Piedra, don' know much about him, but his stats seem nice, and he is the only one who has hit Aaron tonight.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:26 PM
Luis Gonzales playing small ball, bunts out to Larue, the runner does not advance.

Super_Barry11
07-15-2005, 09:26 PM
Do you ever feel bad for opposing players? I feel bad, just bad, for Colorado pitchers.

You feel bad for Acevedo?? I do a little... He had a great rehab outing yesterday in AAA, so that's good for him. :)

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:29 PM
Aaron's ERA skyrockets back up to 4.04, Rocks score one on a single by Ardoin.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:29 PM
What is Dunn doing? He's been swinging at horrible pitches lately. Result of him being too agressive at the plate.

I think he's changed his approach late in the count; I noticed it a week or two before the break.

If he doesn't swing at it, they call it a strike anyway.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:30 PM
You feel bad for Acevedo?? I do a little... He had a great rehab outing yesterday in AAA, so that's good for him. :)

I wondered what was up with him, I hope he puts it together and comes back firing on all cylinders, he will need it in that park.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:30 PM
Wow! Adam!

Great diving catch to probably save a run.

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 09:30 PM
We need more runs

pedro
07-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Wow! Adam!

Great diving catch to probably save a run.

If he hustled he wouldn't have to dive.




Just kidding. I didn't even see it. :)

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Tale of two Aarons, he gets ahaead yet again with 2 straight strikes, then falls behind with stuff out of the zone. Where did the guy from May go?

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:35 PM
Sullivan grounds into a half-Casey. 1-1 going to the bottom of the fifth. ERA watch at 4.01 now.

Jennings has been better than decent up to this point, but I expect this to be the inning.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:36 PM
If he hustled he wouldn't have to dive.

Just kidding. I didn't even see it. :)

The ball was headed toward the left field corner. It looked like a web gem catch; we'll see if it makes the cut.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 09:38 PM
I think he's changed his approach late in the count; I noticed it a week or two before the break.

If he doesn't swing at it, they call it a strike anyway.

If someone is telling him to change his approach, well, they just need to quit. He's fine the way he was.

I've never payed much attention to it, but I wonder if other tall players(Frank Thomas, Richie Sexson for example) get the same low strike calls as Dunn?

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 09:41 PM
Accept for number of pitches, Jennings and Harang have the exact same line...

5IP, 3 hits, 1r, 1BB, 5 Ks

1-1 heading to the sixth

EDIT: does this mean the Reds and Rockies are equally bad?

Matt700wlw
07-15-2005, 09:44 PM
The Jack Nicklaus finale today got me thinking...

..if regular people, like you or I, use golf as a recreational activity when we have time away from work, what do professional golfers do?

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:47 PM
If someone is telling him to change his approach, well, they just need to quit. He's fine the way he was.

I've never payed much attention to it, but I wonder if other tall players(Frank Thomas, Richie Sexson for example) get the same low strike calls as Dunn?

I totally agree with you, but I really think he has.

I don't watch those others players enough to know.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 09:49 PM
Accept for number of pitches, Jennings and Harang have the exact same line...

5IP, 3 hits, 1r, 1BB, 5 Ks

1-1 heading to the sixth

EDIT: does this mean the Reds and Rockies are equally bad?

I don't think so.


End of 6: Jennings 99-59, Harang 92-64

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 09:50 PM
Anyone telling Adam to change needs to be fired.

TRF
07-15-2005, 09:53 PM
Jr.!

Puffy
07-15-2005, 09:56 PM
Junior rawks

Just sayin'

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 09:58 PM
We could have used more runs LaRue

Puffy
07-15-2005, 10:00 PM
And for you numbers guys out there - Aurilia is now OPSing .694

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 10:01 PM
I've leaving for the beach tomorrow. Hopefully Randa, Aurilia, and/or Casey are doning new uniforms when I get back.

Oh, and Dunn better still be a Cincinnati Red; if not, I will catch some crabs(not those kind of crabs!) and stick them down Obie's underwear.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 10:03 PM
Adam had a really nice double in the bottom of the 6th. Then Wily Mo got on due to an error and Adam moved to 3rd.

And Jason swung at the first pitch for a fielder's choice out.

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 10:03 PM
And for you numbers guys out there - Aurilia is now OPSing .694
SOLID BABY!

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:04 PM
And for you numbers guys out there - Aurilia is now OPSing .694

Deal him to Colorado for Jennings.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:06 PM
Harang is due to lead off the bottom of the 7th. The last pitch he threw, a K, was his 107th. Keep him in, or take him out?

Edit: ERAwatch is now at 3.95 Ray Ray comes in for Harang to ph. His line, as Jennings stays in to match:

7IP, 1r, 3h, 1bb, 7K

Not the complete game I planned for him, but good enough.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2005, 10:07 PM
Deal him to Colorado for Jennings.

I bet we could get Colorado to bite on a Pena/Coffey/Kellyfor Jennings deal, though.

NJReds
07-15-2005, 10:08 PM
Olmedo pinch-hits for Harang.
GO to pitcher

NJReds
07-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Lopez flies out to LF
Aurilia lines out to LF

End of 7. Reds 2, Rockies 1

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 10:13 PM
Lopez F7
Aurilia does the same.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:14 PM
Aurilia hits for the anti-cycle: 1st GO, 3rd pop out, 5th fly out, 7th line out

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:15 PM
And Ray Ray chases Richie out of the game, double switch-ish style. Belisle in.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 10:17 PM
Freel is 1 for 3 tonight.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&did=milb&t=g_box&gid=2005_07_15_biraax_cngaax_1

PuffyPig
07-15-2005, 10:17 PM
7IP, 1r, 3h, 1bb, 7K

Not the complete game I planned for him, but good enough.

Here in Redland, that is a complete game.

PuffyPig
07-15-2005, 10:19 PM
I note that Narron puts Belisle in the 8th to save Mercker for the Rockies LH hittters (including Helton).

Good move.

NJReds
07-15-2005, 10:23 PM
Griffey fields single and throws out the runner at home...great block of home plate by LaRue...great throw by Jr.

Virginia Beach Reds
07-15-2005, 10:24 PM
Great throw and even better plate block by LaRue. That was cool.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:25 PM
Ken Griffey Junior is a defensive liability...

no, not really. Junior nails the runner at the plate after the single, still 2-1 Reds after 7.5

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 10:25 PM
JR is really rocking the house this game

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 10:27 PM
I bet we could get Colorado to bite on a Pena/Coffey/Kellyfor Jennings deal, though.

Isn't that a whole lot? I'd think just Pena would be enough.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:29 PM
Isn't that a whole lot? I'd think just Pena would be enough.

I have to agree, that makes two straight proposed deals by FCB I am poo-pooing. Honestly man, what's up with that?

I liked it better when it was just Pena, but even then I was a littleitchy about maybe it being too much.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:31 PM
Walking Junior ot get to Randa again, can;t say I blame them, he has been enfuegoe of late. Let's hope Joe Randa is feeling Geico today.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2005, 10:31 PM
Isn't that a whole lot? I'd think just Pena would be enough.

Depends on what you think Coffey and Kelly are worth. I don't think they're worth much, but that's just me. But no, most teams aren't going to surrender their best pitcher for one offensive player. But now may not be the time to go after Jennings--there were times last season when I called for acquiring him at a low point, but as with most things with this team, that ship has sailed.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:33 PM
For those who care: Boston is up 17-1 on the Yankees in the top of the 7th in Fenway. Yeah, they are the best offense in baseball for a reason.

Jpup
07-15-2005, 10:34 PM
too bad he doesn't drive in runs. :eek:

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:34 PM
Adam Dunn, 2 run homer. 4-1 Reds. Oh, I wish I were at the GAB right now...

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2005, 10:34 PM
Attaboy Dunn!

Matt700wlw
07-15-2005, 10:35 PM
Dunn drives in runs of a lefty...

Jpup
07-15-2005, 10:35 PM
Attaboy Dunn!

trade him. :mooner:

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 10:36 PM
I like Adam Dunn

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:37 PM
I like Adam Dunn

Do you heart him?

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 10:38 PM
Depends on what you think Coffey and Kelly are worth. I don't think they're worth much, but that's just me. But no, most teams aren't going to surrender their best pitcher for one offensive player. But now may not be the time to go after Jennings--there were times last season when I called for acquiring him at a low point, but as with most things with this team, that ship has sailed.

I haven't seen Kelly enough to form an opinion, but I think Coffey has a huge upside.

Regarding the comment I bolded, I think it depends on who that one player is... and WMP is no slouch. I'd prefer not to trade him at all, but of Pena or Dunn, he'd be my preference. And at least Jennings is Major League ready, not a prospect.

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 10:38 PM
Do you heart him?
No, Creek and TeamBoone would beat me up :help:

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 10:39 PM
Do you heart him?

Yup! :luvu:

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 10:39 PM
No, Creek and TeamBoone would beat me up :help:

Absolutely!

NJReds
07-15-2005, 10:40 PM
For those who care: Boston is up 17-1 on the Yankees in the top of the 7th in Fenway. Yeah, they are the best offense in baseball for a reason.

Manny got benched tonight for standing at home plate after popping up to the OF (Sox were up 12-1 at the time). Yankees announcers thought that he probably wanted the rest of the night off, and that's why he didn't run.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:41 PM
I wouldn't be too scared of me, but you might want to run from Creek!

Obscure bad movie reference: "Don't make me beat yeh with da leg o mine that no longer werks!"

Super_Barry11
07-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Do you heart him?

I heart Matt Belisle. I just want to make sure that's clear to everyone, just in case there is any confusion. :p: :laugh:

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:43 PM
For what its worth, unless Weather pulls a Graves, this game featured only pitchers with sub 4 ERAs. How often could you say that after the first week of this season?

Harang: 3.95
Belisle: 3.99
Weathers so far: 3.57

PuffyPig
07-15-2005, 10:46 PM
For what its worth, unless Weather pulls a Graves, this game featured only pitchers with sub 4 ERAs. How often could you say that after the first week of this season?

Harang: 3.95
Belisle: 3.99
Weathers so far: 3.57

And neither Harang nor Belisle started the games with sub 4 ERA's.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:47 PM
I heart Matt Belisle. I just want to make sure that's clear to everyone, just in case there is any confusion. :p: :laugh:

I see him and Kelly battling for the fifth spot next year. If he pulls it off and well, I might have a little man heart for him too.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:48 PM
Dang Piedra. I knew he was trouble...

Falls City Beer
07-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Reds can't even win pretty. Yeah.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Dunn's homer became huge after Piedra's 2 run bomb with two outs in the ninth. Weathers strikes out Gonzalez to get the third out. He finishes with a 3.88 ERA, phew.

KronoRed
07-15-2005, 11:02 PM
Graves like win.

TeamBoone
07-15-2005, 11:09 PM
Harang tosses a gem in Reds' win
By Anthony Castrovince / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- Perhaps the All-Star break did Aaron Harang a little good.
The right-handed Harang was stellar in seven innings pitched against the Rockies on Friday night, and that outing spurred the Reds to a 4-3 win in front of 21,116 at Great American Ball Park.

Harang had been stellar in April and May of this season, but he went 0-6 with a 5.91 ERA over his last seven starts in June and July. This outing put an end to that rough stretch.

Harang (5-8) held the Rockies to a mere run on three hits with a walk and seven strikeouts. In doing so, he notched his first win since May 30.

As has been the case for much of this season, Harang didn't get much run support from his teammates, who were locked up tight by right-hander Jason Jennings (5-9). But Harang didn't need much help with the way he was pitching. All he needed was for Ken Griffey Jr. to break up a 1-1 tie with a solo home run in the sixth.

As if Griffey's heroics in the plate weren't enough, his perfect throw from center field to throw out Eddy Garabito at home ended the eighth inning, as well as the Rockies' best chance to tie the game back up. And when Adam Dunn cranked out a two-run homer off Bobby Seay in the bottom of the inning, he sealed the win for the Reds. They needed that shot, because David Weathers went on to give up a two-run home run to Jorge Piedra in the ninth.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20050715&content_id=1132360&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 11:11 PM
So FCB, how about Ortiz, Pena, and Olmedo for Jennings?

Falls City Beer
07-15-2005, 11:14 PM
Ortiz has negative trade value--a team wouldn't take the guy for free. Pena, Olmedo, and an arm of some upside might do it.

DoogMinAmo
07-15-2005, 11:34 PM
Ortiz has negative trade value--a team wouldn't take the guy for free. Pena, Olmedo, and an arm of some upside might do it.

Agreed, but I saw Olmedo as erasing that negative value, so that this deal is essentially Pena for Jennings. The rockies have nothing to lose by trying Ortiz in Coors, and if he somehow can pitch, he is signed for next season. If he can not, he can be bought out or released, and they have a stud outfielder for their troubles.

TRF
07-16-2005, 12:20 AM
Pena in Coors would actually be similar to Preston Wilson's 2003, but with likely a higher SLG. probably a .350 OB, maybe a tick higher, and a fairly monstrous SLG.. something like .590 - .640. These would be Coors numbers, and his road number of course would be lower, but his learning curv still has yet to be determined.

Rcovery from Coors for a pitcher is two years. Look at Hampton. I swear it's worse than a sjoulder injury. I might do Pena for Jennings straight up, but I don't add anything to that deal.