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CTA513
07-20-2005, 07:09 PM
Reds Cubs
Ryan Freel, 2B Jody Gerut, RF
Felipe Lopez, SS Todd Walker, 2B
Sean Casey, 1B Derrek Lee, 1B
Ken Griffey Jr., CF Jeromy Burnitz, CF
Joe Randa, 3B Aramis Ramirez, 3B
Adam Dunn, LF Todd Hollandsworth, LF
Jacob Cruz, RF Neifi Perez, SS
Javier Valentin, C Michael Barrett, C
Aaron Harang, P Kerry Wood, P

Game Time: 7:10 p.m. ET
TV: FSN Ohio
Radio: WLW 700

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 07:16 PM
GOOD!
YES!
BOOO!
MOVE HIM UP!
BOO!
MOVE HIM WAY UP!
BOOOBOOO!
Eh.
WOO!

;)

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 07:24 PM
So you bring Kearns back, you give WMP the day off, and Kearns sits the bench.....

CTA513
07-20-2005, 07:27 PM
So you bring Kearns back, you give WMP the day off, and Kearns sits the bench.....

I think I seen someone post that Kearns wont arrive till after the game starts.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 07:29 PM
I think I seen someone post that Kearns wont arrive till after the game starts.

If that is the case, then I take that back :)

knuckler
07-20-2005, 07:36 PM
Cruz' start looks like a rational attempt to 1) get Cruz some playing time before Kearns returns fully, and 2) keep Pena from striking out four times.

Can't fathom Casey continuing to hit 3rd though, unless somebody thinks it'd be really cool to see him get the all-time record for GIDP.

puca
07-20-2005, 07:40 PM
Cruz' start looks like a rational attempt to 1) get Cruz some playing time before Kearns returns fully, and 2) keep Pena from striking out four times.

Can't fathom Casey continuing to hit 3rd though, unless somebody thinks it'd be really cool to see him get the all-time record for GIDP.

If Freel/Lopez continue to hit in front of him he will break that record by the end of the month.

knuckler
07-20-2005, 07:46 PM
If Freel/Lopez continue to hit in front of him he will break that record by the end of the month.

I will always remember the game in San Diego when Dante Bichette hit into four double plays. Or was it five? That was like watching a car wreck in slow motion.

cumberlandreds
07-20-2005, 08:02 PM
Don't expect Kearns to play tomorrow either. Narron said on Real Reds he would play Pena tommorow because he hits well against whoever the Cubbies are pitching. Of course Pena could play center and Griffey have the day of or Pena and/or Griffey could be with someone else.
I wonder since Pena is sitting tonight if a deal may be imminent involving him? Just a thought.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Richie Gardner pitched 4 innings for the Lookouts today.

LvJ
07-20-2005, 08:10 PM
Gerut leading off for the Cubs. Good move.

CTA513
07-20-2005, 08:17 PM
1-2-3 inning for Harang... I just hope he doesnt leave that pitch up to Lee again.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 08:18 PM
Don't expect Kearns to play tomorrow either. Narron said on Real Reds he would play Pena tommorow because he hits well against whoever the Cubbies are pitching. Of course Pena could play center and Griffey have the day of or Pena and/or Griffey could be with someone else.
I wonder since Pena is sitting tonight if a deal may be imminent involving him? Just a thought.

Kearns is here to be on the bench ;)

LvJ
07-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Tremendous atbat. :)

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Machado would have had a 2 run HR ;)

deltachi8
07-20-2005, 08:24 PM
I think I seen someone post that Kearns wont arrive till after the game starts.

Per the Reds website, Kearns was traveling from Rhode Island where Louisville is and would not be in time for the start of the game.

Delta 927 arrives at 7:35 from Providence.

yes, i realize i have no life

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Casey grounds into a DP with no one on ;)

Cyclone792
07-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Casey grounds into a DP with no one on ;)

You're not kidding, either. If there would have been a guy on first, that Casey groundout would have been a classic 4-6-3.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 08:30 PM
Per the Reds website, Kearns was traveling from Rhode Island where Louisville is and would not be in time for the start of the game.

Delta 927 arrives at 7:35 from Providence.

yes, i realize i have no life

No need to be sorry..it's great how much info RZ can dig up :D

Should we head out he airport to meet him? ;)

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Casey grounds into a DP with no one on ;)No, No, No that's Casey grounds into a "Casey" with no one on... ;)

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Sounds like there are less "fans" there tonight, and more fans.

The Reds are getting cheers!

pedro
07-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Per the Reds website, Kearns was traveling from Rhode Island where Louisville is and would not be in time for the start of the game.

Delta 927 arrives at 7:35 from Providence.

yes, i realize i have no life

I wonder if he used his Frequent Fryer miles on that?

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:32 PM
rumor - Dunn for Patterson, Mitre and Hill.

Hendry told Marty it was too steep. Yeah, right.

WMR
07-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Is it just me or is Junior running better and faster than he has in a long while?

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 08:39 PM
Dunn happy :D

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:39 PM
Dunn got Wood twice in a game at GABP earlier this year.

pedro
07-20-2005, 08:40 PM
we don't want those HR's. They aren't going to help us win.

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:40 PM
rumor - Dunn for Patterson, Mitre and Hill.

Hendry told Marty it was too steep. Yeah, right.

Which mlb.com message board did that rumor start at??

What an awful deal.

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Dunn happy :DBuddy's comin' back... :)

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Valentin singles.

Bunt attempt forthcoming.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Which mlb.com message board did that rumor start at??

What an awful deal.Marty talked about on air and ran it by Hendry when he saw and Hendry's comment was "too steep".

creek14
07-20-2005, 08:43 PM
So I haven't read the other threads, but what did you all think of the Kearns interview on Real Reds?

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:44 PM
So I haven't read the other threads, but what did you all think of the Kearns interview on Real Reds?I didn't see it.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 08:45 PM
rumor - Dunn for Patterson, Mitre and Hill.

Hendry told Marty it was too steep. Yeah, right.

I think I just threw up in my mouth. :thumbdown

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Marty talked about on air and ran it by Hendry when he saw and Hendry's comment was "too steep".

Hendry's a flake.

Everytime I hear his name, I think of Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas" mispronouncing the first name of Ray Liotta's character.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:45 PM
we don't want those HR's. They aren't going to help us win.guaranteed loss at this point.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:46 PM
Hendry's a flake.

Everytime I hear his name, I think of Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas" mispronouncing the first name of Ray Liotta's character.and a lyin sack as well. He would be falling all over himself to make that deal.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:47 PM
BTW, CC getting beat around by the Royals tonight

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Is Hendry a Cub personnel guy?

If he is and he said that....it is purely the Cubs trying to fleece the Reds.
He could not take that too seriously or himself.

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:49 PM
Freel and Lopez both K, but damage done...

Wood at 54 Pitches through 2 Innings.

Yowch.

creek14
07-20-2005, 08:49 PM
I didn't see it.
Austin said he had some worked through some stuff. Wasn't going to put as much pressure on himself, just "have fun". Rick Sweet said he knew that "AK" took it hard when he was sent down and he (Rick) didn't know what to expect from him (AK), but that Austin had been very positive and had done everything asked of him and more and had a great attitude (even if he did dog it for Chili and M2). He also mentioned that one night he (Sweet) was leaving the park at midnight and Austin was still out in the parking lot signing for "every kid who wanted an autograph".

Oh and he lost 10 lbs.

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:49 PM
Is Hendry a Cub personnel guy?

If he is and he said that....it is purely the Cubs trying to fleece the Reds.
He could not take that too seriously or himself.

That would be the Cubs General Manager.

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Oh, and yeah..."fleecing" would be what Hendry did to the Giants in the Jerome Williams swap.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Is Hendry a Cub personnel guy?

If he is and he said that....it is purely the Cubs trying to fleece the Reds.
He could not take that too seriously or himself.

I think he's the GM

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Man...i still thought McPhail was the GM of that team. I just don't follow the GM's like i do the players.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Oh, and yeah..."fleecing" would be what Hendry did to the Giants in the Jerome Williams swap.I think that would be bending over and fleecing.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Sounds like there are less "fans" there tonight, and more fans.

The Reds are getting cheers!

Nevermind, the base hit by the Cubs brought out the applause and cheers of the the "fans"

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Austin said he had some worked through some stuff. Wasn't going to put as much pressure on himself, just "have fun". Rick Sweet said he knew that "AK" took it hard when he was sent down and he (Rick) didn't know what to expect from him (AK), but that Austin had been very positive and had done everything asked of him and more and had a great attitude (even if he did dog it for Chili and M2). He also mentioned that one night he (Sweet) was leaving the park at midnight and Austin was still out in the parking lot signing for "every kid who wanted an autograph".

Oh and he lost 10 lbs.

Thanks creek...Austin rocks ;)

RBA
07-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Wow

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:00 PM
this is turning into a sure loss for the Reds.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:01 PM
Is it just me or his velocity down tonight

RBA
07-20-2005, 09:02 PM
this is turning into a sure loss for the Reds.

Yes, I haven't heard in awhile how when Jr. homers, the Reds lose. ;)

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:09 PM
according to the Fox gun Harang is throwing as hard as Wood

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Wood's out.

I have a feeling he's hurt again...

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:20 PM
Wood's out.

I have a feeling he's hurt again...sounds like a personal problem. :evil:

M2
07-20-2005, 09:21 PM
rumor - Dunn for Patterson, Mitre and Hill.

Hendry told Marty it was too steep. Yeah, right.

That's like looking a gift horse in the mouth then climbing in so you can wiggle down to perform a reverse rectal exam.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 09:23 PM
sounds like a personal problem. :evil:

:doh:

Aronchis
07-20-2005, 09:31 PM
That single is probably going to get Sean traded with that 761OPS and all.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:33 PM
CW rippin on Sean. G squared defending him as a run producer :dunno:

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:34 PM
Randa swings at a 2-0 pitch on the ground. His BBs have went south

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 09:36 PM
That's right, Randa. Take the Walk. Stave off the inevitable regression to the mean any way you can for ten more days...just ten more days...

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 09:36 PM
Dunn with the almost Casey

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 09:37 PM
Dunn moves Casey to 3rd.

Question...

Is anyone on TV or Radio praising Dunn up and down for advancing the lead runner?

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 09:38 PM
Dunn moves Casey to 3rd.

Question...

Is anyone on TV or Radio praising Dunn up and down for advancing the lead runner?

No way, he still sucks with runners on. ;)

However, if Aurilia or Casey had done that they would get mad props.

pedro
07-20-2005, 09:39 PM
That conversation between Chris and George about Casey had me cracking up.

GG is a serious moron.

Chris: So george do you think the earth is round?

George: Well I don't know Chris, I expect my earth to be flat when I fill out the lineup each night.

blah blah blah.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 09:39 PM
Dunn moves Casey to 3rd.

Question...

Is anyone on TV or Radio praising Dunn up and down for advancing the lead runner?

That's it, Dunn, from now on, shall be known as "Little Things."

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 09:40 PM
That's it, Dunn, from now on, shall be known as "Little Things."Speak for yourself, bud... :evil:

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 09:41 PM
What happened at the end of the last inning? How did Cruz get out?

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:41 PM
could tonight be complete game #1

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 09:42 PM
What happened at the end of the last inning? How did Cruz get out?

bad base running...got hung up between 2nd and 3rd

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Speak for yourself, bud... :evil:then how about King Cojones :nono:

FlyingPig
07-20-2005, 09:44 PM
could tonight be complete game #1

I was thinking the same thing..but was afraid to say it..

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 09:45 PM
then how about King Cojones :nono:Everything is bigger in TX? :devil:

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 09:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing..but was afraid to say it..JINX!!!

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Kitty :help:

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Val..trade value climbing :D

flyer85
07-20-2005, 09:46 PM
We need this guy for Dunn ... please

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 09:47 PM
...the power of the 'stache...

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 09:47 PM
bad base running...got hung up between 2nd and 3rd

OK, thanks. :)

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 09:53 PM
In his mug shot, Sergio Mitre's facial hair looks like the kind of facial hair you draw on someone's picture to turn them into a pirate.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_429901.jpg

Reds Nd2
07-20-2005, 09:54 PM
What happened at the end of the last inning? How did Cruz get out?

Neifi Perez cut off the throw from Jeromy Burnitz. Cruz got hung up between 2nd and 3rd. Play went 8-6-3-5.

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 09:55 PM
Gracias Reds Nd2.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 09:57 PM
Would it BE a Reds' start without a homer?

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 09:57 PM
What the.....

"fans" loving it :bang:


"Let's go Cubbies" chants beginning..... :explode:

CTA513
07-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Keep the ball down, this isnt the Rockies there facing.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 09:59 PM
This Cubs' team is going to be very, very tough to stop.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 09:59 PM
In his mug shot, Sergio Mitre's facial hair looks like the kind of facial hair you draw on someone's picture to turn them into a pirate.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_429901.jpg

Is that a half goatee? :eek:

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:00 PM
..talk about the wheels falling off right now...

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Pen..go..to..the..PEN

Reds Nd2
07-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Gracias Reds Nd2.

De nada RosieRed. (I hope that's correct.) I didn't realize Matt had already answered your question.

M2
07-20-2005, 10:11 PM
Pen..go..to..the..PEN

Only 82 pitches, I'd be tempted to use him in the 8th. This is one of those situations where you go to the pitching coach and ask "Do you think he can keep it together?"

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:11 PM
Austin is in the building :D

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 10:11 PM
Too bad......Harang was looking to be in line for a shutout.

You really have to be perfect in this park in order to get a shutout....let alone a CG.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:11 PM
De nada RosieRed. (I hope that's correct.) I didn't realize Matt had already answered your question.

yours was much more detailed :)

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:11 PM
Did Harang make it thru the inning? pbp? Anyone? Bueler? Anyone anyone?

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Did Harang make it thru the inning? pbp? Anyone? Bueler? Anyone anyone?

He made it

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Wily... :(

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Did Harang make it thru the inning? pbp? Anyone? Bueler? Anyone anyone?

Hi SC! :)

Yes, Harang made it through the 7th. 3ER on 6 hits (2 HRs).

It's 6-3 Reds going into the 8th.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Harang continues to pitch!

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Pena now in RF

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Wily... :(


???

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:17 PM
Hi Rosie :wave:

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:17 PM
Harang 1-2-3 8th

I'd let him start the 9th

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Top of the 8th:

Top 8TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Defensive Substitution: Wily Mo Pena remains in the game as the right fielder.

Top 8TH B:1 S:2 O:1
Jody Gerut pops out to first baseman Sean Casey.

Top 8TH B:0 S:2 O:2
Todd Walker pops out to second baseman Ryan Freel.

Top 8TH B:0 S:0 O:3
Derrek Lee grounds out, third baseman Joe Randa to first baseman Sean Casey.


Harang has thrown 90 pitches through 8. Pretty good night, IMO.

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Harang 1-2-3 8th

I'd let him start the 9th

Pitch count? edit: 90...thanks Rosie...


He has rebounded nicely after a really rough June :beerme:


I also agree...let him start the 9th. He has a "low" pitch count and seems to be cruising. Night off for the bully and a good confidence booster for Harangatang :beerme:

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:18 PM
He's been awful of late, and he swings and pops out on the first pitch against a lefthander. Dumb.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Pitch count?


He has rebounded nicely after a really rough June :beerme:

90 I think...but batting 2nd in the inning...

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 10:19 PM
WMP has reverted back to the DY school of hacking.

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Harang will bat for himself....

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Austin getting huggs in the dugout! :D

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:20 PM
He's been awful of late, and he swings and pops out on the first pitch against a lefthander. Dumb.pitchers have been letting him get himself out

Aronchis
07-20-2005, 10:20 PM
He's been awful of late, and he swings and pops out on the first pitch against a lefthander. Dumb.

I would have swung at that pitch. That was all meat. It was hitting it like Casey which was the problem which we saw at the end of April.

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Harang will bat for himself....


:clap: :thumbup:

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Bases loaded, no outs for felipe.

RosieRed
07-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Has Harang had 3 sac bunts tonight? Or am I making that up?

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:23 PM
I would have swung at that pitch. That was all meat. It was hitting it like Casey which was the problem which we saw at the end of April.

Part of taking a pitch cold off the bench is to gauge your timing.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:23 PM
No double plays please

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:23 PM
pbp? really now....

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Sac Fly. 7-3 reds

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Harang takes 3rd on the sac fly..close to being out..but Harang speed won out

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:25 PM
I can do pbp if you wish.

It's been a long time since I've done it.

Aronchis
07-20-2005, 10:25 PM
Part of taking a pitch cold off the bench is to gauge your timing.

That is not the point. Pena was right on that pitch. Instead of a laser shot, it was a flare. That may be the hint of a physical problem that has hounded him this year.

Even during his "hot" streak of early July, he wasn't hitting the ball with much authority.

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Kearnsy looks GOOD... :beerme:

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:26 PM
First and Third - one out for Casey.

I smell double play in the air.

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 10:26 PM
I hope he did not tire himself out so he has nothing left for the ninth.


How many times has a Reds pitcher even gone 8 Innings this year?

Once?

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Freel should REALLY take 2nd here to avoid a DP

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:26 PM
I can do pbp if you wish.

It's been a long time since I've done it.

:shakesheadvigorouslyupanddown:

Thanks :D

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Casey beaned.

Cubs stink :D

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:27 PM
That is not the point. Pena was right on that pitch. Instead of a laser shot, it was a flare. That may be the hint of a physical problem that has hounded him this year.

Even during his "hot" streak of early July, he wasn't hitting the ball with much authority.

Uh, yes it is the point. You're cooking up fantastical and remote causes like injuries and I'm employing Occam's Razor--he swung first pitch cold off the bench and got under it. The likely cause is timing.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Casey walks on four pitches. Bases loaded for Griffey.

Dusty Baker has seen enough. Time for a bullpen call.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:28 PM
Oh he walked..

Serves me right for listening to the Fox guys :alien:

Reds Nd2
07-20-2005, 10:29 PM
yours was much more detailed :)

Yes, but yours was more terse. :)

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm not sure. I don't have the sound on. It may have nicked him or hit his jersey. Either way the result is the same.

Aronchis
07-20-2005, 10:30 PM
Uh, yes it is the point. You're cooking up fantastical and remote causes like injuries and I'm employing Occam's Razor--he swung first pitch cold off the bench and got under it. The likely cause is timing.

Sorry, don't agree. Watching Pena play for 2 years now, when he isn't hitting shots, hot or slumping, something is wrong with him. When he slumps, he doesn't make contact nearly as much as when he is hot but he still hits the ball with authority. He simply doesn't have the power in his legs and it shows.

Kearns being recalled is a further hint that Pena is not physically well.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:30 PM
Griffey ahead early in the count 2-0

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:30 PM
JR singles in Harang :clap:

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Griffey bloops a single to center. Harang Scores. 8-3 Cincy. Bases remain loaded.

M2
07-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Pad those stats Joe.

corkedbat
07-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Austin said he had some worked through some stuff. Wasn't going to put as much pressure on himself, just "have fun". Rick Sweet said he knew that "AK" took it hard when he was sent down and he (Rick) didn't know what to expect from him (AK), but that Austin had been very positive and had done everything asked of him and more and had a great attitude (even if he did dog it for Chili and M2). He also mentioned that one night he (Sweet) was leaving the park at midnight and Austin was still out in the parking lot signing for "every kid who wanted an autograph".

Oh and he lost 10 lbs.

yeah, i know that AK has gotten a rap for bad attitude, being over weight and having bad work habits, but if it was as bad as it's been made out to be, I'd think the Reds wouldn't be so retisent to deal him. I'd think they'd be trying to give him away (which D0 still may do).

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:32 PM
Randa quickly falls behind 0-2.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:32 PM
Check swing third strike. 2 outs.

SirFelixCat
07-20-2005, 10:33 PM
nm

Kc61
07-20-2005, 10:33 PM
Randa is pressing because of all the scouts watching him.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:33 PM
2 out now.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:34 PM
yeah, i know that AK has gotten a rap for bad attitude, being over weight and having bad work habits, but if it was as bad as it's been made out to be, I'd think the Reds wouldn't be so retisent to deal him. I'd think they'd be trying to give him away (which D0 still may do).

Austin's bad attitude is hooey, and guess what, I've got just as much evidence as those who claim he's got a case of the Sheffields....which is to say, very little, and specious at that.

Aronchis
07-20-2005, 10:34 PM
Randa is part of a conspiracy with DanO, EE has tin foil hat ;)

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Bases still juiced for Dunn.

pitch 1: ball
pitch 2: ball
pitch 3: strike called
pitch 4: ball just missed down and in
pitch 5: ball way inside

Adam walks in a run. 9-3 reds.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Dunn walks..gets an RBI there with runners on..

NEEENER NEENER NEENER :D

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:35 PM
threw Dunn 5 straight breaking balls. A soft walk

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Somewhere BF is crying.

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2005, 10:36 PM
Randa does not want to leave the UP WITH PEOPLE clubhouse.

Hugs are better than pennant chases.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Back from the pitching change.

Michael Wuertz is the new pitcher.

Reds Nd2
07-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Somewhere BF is crying.

:laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:38 PM
Dunn walks..gets an RBI there with runners on..

NEEENER NEENER NEENER :D


An RBI without an official at bat :D

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:38 PM
willie be hackin

Cedric
07-20-2005, 10:38 PM
Austin's bad attitude is hooey, and guess what, I've got just as much evidence as those who claim he's got a case of the Sheffields....which is to say, very little, and specious at that.

You mean like actually watching the guy play? If you can't run down a ball opening day you might want to find something more exciting to do in life, like gardening.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:39 PM
Somewhere BF is crying.nah, he's happy. Dunn didn't improve his RISP

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:39 PM
Oh man Wily.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:40 PM
Wily Mo at bat with the bases still loaded. 9th batter of the inning.

Pitch 1: strike swinging (breaking ball)
Pitch 2: strike foul
Pitch 3: ball high
Pitch 4: ball outside (tried to make him fish)
Pitch 5: check swing 3rd strike

Inning over.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:40 PM
WMP K's on a 59 foot slider

M2
07-20-2005, 10:40 PM
I think Dunn needs to start taunting pitchers. "Come on you coward! You're not so weak that you're just going to walk in a run, are you?"

KittyDuran
07-20-2005, 10:40 PM
Wily KOs

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:41 PM
You mean like actually watching the guy play? If you can't run down a ball opening day you might want to find something more exciting to do in life, like gardening.

You're right. That's some incontrovertible evidence. I'd give 'em the death penalty.

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:42 PM
I think Dunn needs to start taunting pitchers. "Come on you coward! You're not so weak that you're just going to walk in a run, are you?"

I wouldn't recommend that. That kind of thing will get you one in the earhole. "Hell, no. I'll just force the run in with one pitch instead of four."

Cedric
07-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Yeah. It's opening day and you can't hustle, probably says a lot about you're attitude. And it's not like that was one time, he does that once a week.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:43 PM
WMP looks like he is seriously pressing

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Harang still in there to pitch the 9th. The reds have not had a complete game this year.

Burnitz leads off the inning.

Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2: Strike swinging
Pitch 3: Ball outside
Pitch 4: Strike low in the zone
Pitch 5: Hit to right field.

Harang left a slider up in the zone and Burnitz hopped all over it.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:44 PM
feels like we have two threads going on

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:45 PM
1 on, no outs to Aramis Ramirez

Pitch 1: Strike called
Pitch 2: Ball down and outside - Ramirez checked in time
Pitch 3: Ground ball to 3rd. 5-4-3 double play.

2 outs.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Yeah. It's opening day and you can't hustle, probably says a lot about you're attitude. And it's not like that was one time, he does that once a week.

Or maybe you'd rather have Wily Mo Cansec... out in the outfield. All of the hustle, none of the instinct.

He needed to lose weight. He did. What's Wily doing to improve his game?

Matt700wlw
07-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Harang is the man


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:46 PM
Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2: Grounder to short. Lopez to Casey

Game over

Final score: Reds 9, Cubs 3

IslandRed
07-20-2005, 10:47 PM
What is this "complete game" of which y'all speak? Is that allowed?

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:47 PM
feels like we have two threads going on

We do. There's the talk regarding the game, and there's the subthread which involves the personal bickering between a few people.


It's like the typical Star Trek episode. There's the main plot, and there's a subplot which is only marginally related to the main plot.

RIP Scottie.

KronoRed
07-20-2005, 10:48 PM
Go Harang!

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:48 PM
now back to your regularly scheduled channel

[Harry Carey voice]

Reds win!! Reds win!!

[\Harry Carey voice]

Cedric
07-20-2005, 10:49 PM
We do. There's the talk regarding the game, and there's the subthread which involves the personal bickering between a few people.


It's like the typical Star Trek episode. There's the main plot, and there's a subplot which is only marginally related to the main plot.

RIP Scottie.

Personal bickering? I've posted two threads disagreeing with another person. I have nothing against him or his view. I guess I'll have to analyze every post to see if they relate right to the game next time. Thanks for the heads up Klu, I'll pay better attention next time for you.

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:49 PM
What is this "complete game" of which y'all speak? Is that allowed?

It's a dinosaur, no doubt. But I wish that we could have a few more of them. (Complete games, not dinosaurs--though I liked both CG's and dinosaurs as a kid.)

paintmered
07-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Personal bickering? I've posted two threads disagreeing with another person. I have nothing against him or his view. I guess I'll have to analyze every post to see if they relate right to the game next time. Thanks for the heads up Klu, I'll pay better attention next time for you.

Relax guys.

CTA513
07-20-2005, 10:50 PM
What is this "complete game" of which y'all speak? Is that allowed?

Harang will be fined for not letting the bullpen pitch atleast 3 innings.

;)

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Personal bickering? I've posted two threads disagreeing with another person. I have nothing against him or his view. I guess I'll have to analyze every post to see if they relate right to the game next time. Thanks for the heads up Klu, I'll pay better attention next time for you.

Whoa, buddy! Who says I was referring to you? I happen to be in the Wily Mo camp. But at the same time, I have no problem with seeing how Kearns responds to his recall while WMP is slumping.

IslandRed
07-20-2005, 10:51 PM
I wouldn't recommend that. That kind of thing will get you one in the earhole. "Hell, no. I'll just force the run in with one pitch instead of four."

But then he gets to charge the mound, and that would be some serious entertainment. It's worth considering. For the fans, you know.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:51 PM
We do. There's the talk regarding the game, and there's the subthread which involves the personal bickering between a few people.


It's like the typical Star Trek episode. There's the main plot, and there's a subplot which is only marginally related to the main plot.

RIP Scottie.I know. I have been known to get in a pissing match or two myself. I try to limit myself though because the eventual outcome is that all I end up with is wet hands

M2
07-20-2005, 10:54 PM
He needed to lose weight. He did. What's Wily doing to improve his game?

He's probably got another 10-15 to go. And that doesn't even take into account his cardio/vascular fitness or his reactivity. Austin's only started on the road to getting to where he needs to be. It's not going to be easy or quick and he's going to experience some disappointment along the way.

Cedric
07-20-2005, 10:54 PM
Apologies

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:56 PM
No prob.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 10:57 PM
Apologiesnot necessary. You just need to know that arguing with FCB is :bang:

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 10:58 PM
He's probably got another 10-15 to go. And that doesn't even take into account his cardio/vascular fitness or his reactivity. Austin's only started on the road to getting to where he needs to be. It's not going to be easy or quick and he's going to experience some disappointment along the way.

And Dunn needs to lose weight and quit smoking. And Wily Mo needs to not suck in the outfield. And Junior, well, Junior's in perfect shape and see what that's gotten the guy the last five years.

Point being, sure, he could stand not to got to Taco Bell, but if he comes out and rips the cover off the ball, no one's going to piss and moan about the jiggle.

What he's got to do is get that shoulder 100%. If that's come to pass and he doesn't balloon, he'll be fine.

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 10:59 PM
But then he gets to charge the mound, and that would be some serious entertainment. It's worth considering. For the fans, you know.

That is, if you can get up from one in the earhole.

PuffyPig
07-20-2005, 11:02 PM
What's Wily doing to improve his game?

Nobody, but nobody works harder on a day to day basis to improve his game than WilyMo.

And, other than maybe Harang, nobody on the Reds has come further during the last 2 years.

A year and a half ago, most posters felt that Pena (like Machado) would easily go through waivers. And wanted the Reds to try. Those posters were wrong.

Gallen5862
07-20-2005, 11:02 PM
This was a huge win. Thanks everyone for the callup to this board. Today was a crazy day with roster moves.

traderumor
07-20-2005, 11:04 PM
now back to your regularly scheduled channel

[Harry Carey voice]

Reds win!! Reds win!!

[\Harry Carey voice]Thanks a lot, there's spit on my screen now and a smell of beer breath :p:

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 11:04 PM
Nobody, but nobody works harder on a day to day basis to improve his game than WilyMo.

And, other than maybe Harang, nobody on the Reds has come further during the last 2 years.

A year and a half ago, most posters felt that Pena (like Machado) would easily go through waivers. And wanted the Reds to try. Those posters were wrong.

Have you seen Wily's June and July numbers?

Cueing Steel? Steel?

There is NO substitute for talent. I hate polishing rough rocks.

Give me a team of surly J.D. Drews anybleepinday.

traderumor
07-20-2005, 11:11 PM
I don't know how folks can ride WMP. The dude has phenomenal numbers for a 23 year old and will be at least an average outfielder one day. But as has been pointed out many times, his BA driven game will result in some ugly slumps.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 11:14 PM
I am really having a good night.

Reds win, I'm going tomorrow and currently listening to George Thorogood.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 11:16 PM
I don't know how folks can ride WMP. The dude has phenomenal numbers for a 23 year old and will be at least an average outfielder one day. But as has been pointed out many times, his BA driven game will result in some ugly slumps.

That's the thing: his numbers pretty much say he's going to be a slightly above average right fielder.

But people get misty-eyed at his power around here and simply refuse to see the buckshot holes in his game.

Big Klu
07-20-2005, 11:17 PM
now back to your regularly scheduled channel

[Harry Carey voice]

Reds win!! Reds win!!

[\Harry Carey voice]


My college roommate at Ohio University was a Cubs fan from the Chicago area. (Which was OK back then, because the Reds were in the NL West, and the Cubs were in the NL East. Obviously someone in the Commissioner's Office flunked geography.) He was the impetus behind me getting to go to Game 4 of the 1990 NLCS in Pittsburgh. He says to me at 4:00 that afternoon, "Wanna go to the game?" I said, "The game starts in four hours!" He said, "So?" I said, "We don't have tickets." He said, "No problem. We'll find them when we get there." So I said, "Let go!" I repaid him the following season by getting blue seats near the visiting dugout when the Cubs were in town. It was the first time he had seen the Cubs since leaving Illinois before coming to OU. (He lived in Athens year-round, because he had a part-time job related to his major.)

Anyway, he did a really great Harry Caray imitation, and he taught it to me. It's been a long time since I tried it, but seeing your post reminded me of it. Thanks!

flyer85
07-20-2005, 11:17 PM
"I know a cat named way out Wily"

M2
07-20-2005, 11:18 PM
Wily Mo's game gets better every year. Adam Dunn's crazy productive. Jr. works like a dog and produces whenever he plays. OTOH, Kearns has scuffled in the majors for two seasons.

Austin's got a lot of work to do to get his game back in shape. I don't care if he jiggles if he produces either, but he hasn't produced in a while and I'm doubtful a return to the kind of productivity we should expect is in the cards for this season. Maybe he'll put together a pretty September, though I'm not sure that would be a good thing. I'd prefer his heading into the offseason with a mania to prove himself rather than thinking he's already got his game back in order.

flyer85
07-20-2005, 11:20 PM
Reds Zone Forum ... "I love you man"

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 11:22 PM
Wily Mo's game gets better every year. Adam Dunn's crazy productive. Jr. works like a dog and produces whenever he plays. OTOH, Kearns has scuffled in the majors for two seasons.

Austin's got a lot of work to do to get his game back in shape. I don't care if he jiggles if he produces either, but he hasn't produced in a while and I'm doubtful a return to the kind of productivity we should expect is in the cards for this season. Maybe he'll put together a pretty September, though I'm not sure that would be a good thing. I'd prefer his heading into the offseason with a mania to prove himself rather than thinking he's already got his game back in order.

Right now, Wily Mo is producing the EXACT OPS from last year...and heading down.

I'm REALLY not sure where the "improvement mythos" vis. Pena is coming from. I see the same player.

SteelSD
07-20-2005, 11:26 PM
Have you seen Wily's June and July numbers?

Cueing Steel? Steel?

There is NO substitute for talent. I hate polishing rough rocks.

Give me a team of surly J.D. Drews anybleepinday.

Eh, anyone who cares enough can just look those splits up on espn.com.

Fact is that I've always supported Wily Mo Pena. Never wanted to waive him. I've always felt that his monster tools indicated that he may be a unique case of someone who can go from raw to raging. His speed allows him to supplement his BA and his IsoP allows him to overcome some of his OBP deficiency. At minimum I've always felt that Pena- even if he never realized his tools-based potential- is a valuable resource that teams will overpay to get.

That being said, I've also been very very realistic about what Pena needs to work on. Right now, he's Mr. Swing at Everything. Tonight was a great example of that. Pitchers will continue to throw him multiple "sucker" pitches knowing that he'll get himself out with regularity. The one thing I wanted to see from Pena this year is more of a clue about what not to swing at. Unfortunately, he's actually regressed in this area without any advancement in his Isolated Power or Secondary Average numbers.

In short, he's stuck right now and spiraling fast. He's the kinda guy who can get hot and turn it around, but folks need to understand the indicators and, IMHO, should temper their enthusiasm a bit- at least until he demonstrates some ability (any) to improve his plate discipline because, right now, it's awful.

He's 23 and still might be able to do that, but with his skill set it's going to be dependent on scaring pitchers into helping him out. And they are trying. He just won't let them help.

M2
07-20-2005, 11:39 PM
Right now, Wily Mo is producing the EXACT OPS from last year...and heading down.

I'm REALLY not sure where the "improvement mythos" vis. Pena is coming from. I see the same player.

It's coming from years of him improving though you're right his recent slump has taken his numbers back to last year's levels. We'll see if the yo-yo heads back up soon. For my part, I long ago stopped assuming this kid can't step up.

traderumor
07-20-2005, 11:46 PM
That's the thing: his numbers pretty much say he's going to be a slightly above average right fielder.

But people get misty-eyed at his power around here and simply refuse to see the buckshot holes in his game.My "average outfielder" reference was related to defense. I think he will have an above average career at the plate overall, with impressive power numbers.

Falls City Beer
07-20-2005, 11:49 PM
My "average outfielder" reference was related to defense. I think he will have an above average career at the plate overall, with impressive power numbers.

When his performance matches his Paul Bunyan reputation, I'll tip my cap and chow some crow. It's yet to happen.

paintmered
07-20-2005, 11:52 PM
Paul Bunyan

http://www.synergizedsolutions.com/simpsons/pictures/homer/homerpaulbunyon.gif