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savafan
08-13-2005, 12:46 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2129738&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb %2fgammons%2fstory%3fid%3d2129738

Peter Gammons:

The steroid rumor mill has been spinning out of control. More than 50 players tested positive, one megastar. Clubhouse talk. Maybe it's only a dozen, but there's a bigger name than Rafael Palmeiro. That's what's going around.

At this point, this is all nothing but idle speculation, seemingly exaggerated, since the executive council hasn't been notified, and those members had known for a long time about Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin and another player whose name will soon leak out.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20050812&content_id=1167579&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball today announced that minor league player Wilson Delgado, under contract to the Florida Marlins, has been suspended for 30 games, effective today, for violation of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

This is the second offense this season for Delgado.


Michael Kay on ESPN Radio:

2 major stars have tested positive for steroids. At least one of them is a National Leaguer and is a potential hall of famer. The other one is an American Leaguer and is a lock for the hall of fame. The release of this player's name will be devestating to MLB and could bring the sport to it's knees. This American Leaguer is not someone you would suspect of using steroids.

redsfan30
08-13-2005, 12:49 AM
I'd have to think Sammy Sosa is the National Leaguer.

The American Leaguer who will "bring the game to it's knees" is very intriguing. I have no idea who that would be.

savafan
08-13-2005, 12:52 AM
I'd have to think Sammy Sosa is the National Leaguer.



Sosa's an Oriole.

There was also some speculation that Rob Dibble was likely using steroids during the early 1990s.

Joseph
08-13-2005, 12:52 AM
A-Rod as the American Leaguer?

To bring it to it's knees it has to be a mega star, not just a top player.

redsfan30
08-13-2005, 12:54 AM
Sosa's an Oriole.
:help:

Wow, I feel dumb.

M2
08-13-2005, 12:54 AM
Sammy Sosa's in the AL.

HOF lock, plays in AL, not a guy you'd suspect, could bring the game to its knees, Michael Kay's leaking the info? A-Rod or Jeter leap to mind.

Joseph
08-13-2005, 12:57 AM
Jeter would be another option, is he a lock for the HoF? Perhaps, and probably moreso in Kay's mind. I'd say A-Rod is in many people's mind already though. Who else fits the criteria of being a lock and current mega star?

redsfan30
08-13-2005, 12:58 AM
I can't think of a lock for the Hall American Leaguer who we wouldn't think of being on the juice other than ARod.

That would be a bigger bombshell than anybody in thier right mind could expect.

savafan
08-13-2005, 01:00 AM
I also have to say that MLB isn't doing any of the non-guilty players any justice by holding back releasing the names and lending credence to a lot of speculation.

Joseph
08-13-2005, 01:00 AM
Randy Johnson? Would he bring it to it's knees though?

I feel bad about speculating, but it's very intriguing.

CTA513
08-13-2005, 01:02 AM
Im thinking maybe Berkman or Bagwell, but it will probably end up being someone nobody expected. I hope the name leaks soon so we dont have to keep on guessing.

:p:

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2005, 01:09 AM
This is from the Marlins board. Don't know if it's true or not...


My seat neighbor at RFK works for Baseball Weekly and he was telling us the steroid rumors. Didn't mention Delgado or any Marlins, we were talking more about how MLB would handle the situation, but supposedly there's some huge names coming out in this latest list. Names similar to Mickey Mantle or Bob Gibson in their time (I hope that reference doesn't go over any one's head, because it kind of shows how crazy we are over this whole thing).

http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=48254&st=75

My guess:

AL: A-Rod
NL: Carlos Delgado

cincinnati chili
08-13-2005, 01:27 AM
My guess:

A bunch of donut-swilling sportswriters spreading gossip like little schoolgirls.

paintmered
08-13-2005, 01:29 AM
This American Leaguer is not someone you would suspect of using steroids.

Ichiro?


edit: A-rod or Jeter would bring the game to its knees.

KronoRed
08-13-2005, 01:34 AM
/\ That's why they will never be found guilty ;)

paintmered
08-13-2005, 01:36 AM
The rule needs to be changed so that a second positive test within a calendar year is a full year suspension.

Wilson Delgado, I'm talking to you.

Big Donkey
08-13-2005, 03:50 AM
I've been thinking Carlos Delgado for about a week is the name that would come out. I suppose he could fit the bill as potential HOFer in the National League. I've heard nothing on the American Leaguer that would "bring you to your knees" to paraphrase. But I agree with the sentiments on here that Alex Rodriguez would appear to be the most likely, with his infield teammate second (and I'm not talking Robinson Cano).

Caveat Emperor
08-13-2005, 04:08 AM
What about Curt Schilling?

We keep speculating about hitters, but this would be an absolute blow to major league baseball just as well: a first-ballot hall-of-famer who was just the "hero" of the Boston Red Sox championship team last year. How bad would it be if it came out that he has been doping and could possibly have been doing so last year in the postseason?

This is a name that would shock even me, and that's probably why it instantly sprung to mind.

jmcclain19
08-13-2005, 04:13 AM
Beat me too my guess CE - I was going to guess Schilling - although I think perhaps the better guess is Manny Ramirez.

Anyone else thinking Roger Clemens?

Cedric
08-13-2005, 04:54 AM
Manny? He's a great player, but he's not gonna bring the sport down. He's not really in touch with fans and all that. Just for giggles I would say Jeter and Pujols.

MartyFan
08-13-2005, 05:05 AM
To bring the sport to its knees it would have to be a huge name, top 10 player...who is having a quality year.

Tay
08-13-2005, 05:26 AM
Beat me too my guess CE - I was going to guess Schilling - although I think perhaps the better guess is Manny Ramirez.

Anyone else thinking Roger Clemens?

Maybe it's just me but the article seems to infer the HoF lock that could bring the game to it's knees is in the AL. The NL player is the potential HoF'er.

If this is the case, could the AL player really be anyone other than A-Rod or Jeter? After A-Rod, Schilling was my initial thought as well but is he an absolute HoF lock capable of bringing the game to its knees? I'm not so sure. Contrarily, taking Schilling's own Capitol Hill testimony into consideration and then combining that with Palmeiro's, it may be possible that the entire Senate investigation was nothing more than a farce. In this case, the feds would most definitely get involved, therefore bringing the game to its knees. In this scenario, it is theoretically possible that a positive test by Schilling could be more damaging to baseball than one by A-Rod.

I've almost talked myself into believing the AL player is Schilling lol.

I'd still lay odds on Carlos Delgado being the NL player. There are just too many rumors and the potential HoF'er description fits.

Number_Fourteen
08-13-2005, 07:23 AM
After reviewing the AL rosters, I'd guess it must be one of the following, as they're HOF shoe-ins, whom I would not have expected:

1. A-Rod
2. Jeter
3. Randy Johnson
4. Mariano Rivera
*Dishonorable mention: Tejada (lock?)

In regards to some previous guesses, it's a given Manny Ramirez is a lock, however since he's a bulky type I'll pass on him. And, Schilling is not a absolute lock (although my guess is he makes it).

Given Johnson's history of back troubles, might there be a steroid beneficial to such a chronic condition?

As for the NL, I'd guess Thome or Bagwell.

:thumbdown

NJReds
08-13-2005, 09:13 AM
Vlad Guerrero is also probably a HOF "lock" in the AL. Although I doubt it's him, he did have some back problems a few years back.

But it's all just speculation, and I'll believe it when the announcement comes out. Kay's been know to sensationalize from time-to-time.

steig
08-13-2005, 11:01 AM
After reviewing the AL rosters, I'd guess it must be one of the following, as they're HOF shoe-ins, whom I would not have expected:

1. A-Rod
2. Jeter
3. Randy Johnson
4. Mariano Rivera
*Dishonorable mention: Tejada (lock?)

In regards to some previous guesses, it's a given Manny Ramirez is a lock, however since he's a bulky type I'll pass on him. And, Schilling is not a absolute lock (although my guess is he makes it).

Given Johnson's history of back troubles, might there be a steroid beneficial to such a chronic condition?

As for the NL, I'd guess Thome or Bagwell.

:thumbdown


I agree with your A.L. choices but I would list Tejada above Rivera. As for N.L., how about Bonds? He has still been tested even though he is on the D.L.

fielder's choice
08-13-2005, 11:30 AM
I agree with your A.L. choices but I would list Tejada above Rivera. As for N.L., how about Bonds? He has still been tested even though he is on the D.L.

Bonds isn't a 'potential HOFer'

Rex Argos
08-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Sosa is the most obvious juicer. Bagwell is a no-brainer, also. I think there are plenty of "big fish" out there. Which ones get named will be interesting.

Shaknb8k
08-13-2005, 12:05 PM
I think we are getting off track with the "AL Player to be Named Later". There are a lot of players in the game now that are locks for the hall. Im not even going to try and name them all. But the kicker is devestating to MLB and could bring the sport to it's knees. That means they are not only great players but they represent the sport of baseball. When I read that I think of only top notch players. Now believe it or not maybe me and the sportswriters arent seeing eye to eye but here is a list of players I see as the only ones who could bring the game to its knees.

Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, or Randy Johnson

Take out the NL players and you have: Schilling, A-Rod, Jeter, and Randy Johnson. They are all locks for the Hall of Fame, the normal fan would not expect them of using roids, and they definatly would throw a low blow to the MLB if they got caught for roids. Let the waiting game begin.

westofyou
08-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Lot's of Reverand Dimmesdale's around this place.

puca
08-13-2005, 12:15 PM
I think the AL player is Juan Castro.

puca
08-13-2005, 12:15 PM
The NL player might be Jason Romano

NJReds
08-13-2005, 12:23 PM
Lot's of Reverand Dimmesdale's around this place.

Baseball made it's own bed (both sides, players and owners). This is what happens when you have a faulty system and a prolonged appeal process.

One or two positives will cause speculation. It's natural that this would happen.

The players that this hurts the most are those that are clean. They're at a disadvantage competition-wise, because they're competing against cheaters.
Then, when word "leaks" out that there are postive test results against "certain" players, their names get dragged into the speculation.

M2
08-13-2005, 12:27 PM
Lot's of Reverand Dimmesdale's around this place.

What, you mean we shouldn't hand out scarlet S patches?

MrCinatit
08-13-2005, 12:46 PM
it could be argued that naming Sosa would be considerable to some to bring the sports to its knees...perhaps he presently is not popular, but a few years ago, he was practically a baseball God. i gotta say, he's my first choice.
as for the NL player...frankly, there are too many potential HOFers, and potential juicers, for me to begin a list.
to be frank, this whole steriods thing is beginning to look like it could have bigger and bigger implications..something which could end up shaking the foundations of the game, a la the Blacksox Scandle in which a group of non-trustworthy players were swept out of the game - let us not forget, others were kicked out of the game - or kept out of the game - besides the Black Sox players. Hal Chase comes immediately to mind.
if only the game had a strong enough leader right now to make sure the game became clean, and fast - but i do not think Selig is that person. a 20 game suspension, 30 for a second offense? a slap on the wrist.

deltachi8
08-13-2005, 01:08 PM
Mariano Rivera, as long as we are all being 13 year old girls for a moment

pedro
08-13-2005, 01:21 PM
I'm pretty sure Drumbledoor was on steroids.

RFS62
08-13-2005, 01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure Drumbledoor was on steroids.


See, if he'd been smart enough to hook up with Raffie, he'd have been on Viagra, and none of that messy business would have happened.

oneupper
08-13-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm pretty sure Drumbledoor was on steroids.

Snape is the potions guy.

RBA
08-13-2005, 01:50 PM
Mr Red? He seems to always beat RosieRed in the virtual race they have at the GABP. Could steroids be the reason.

RFS62
08-13-2005, 01:53 PM
Mr Red? He seems to always beat RosieRed in the virtual race they have at the GABP. Could steroids be the reason.


Yeah, and look at the size of his head.

Caseyfan21
08-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Well, let me get my "guess" in before this announcement.

I'd say these are my favorites in the AL:

1.) Sammy Sosa - icon in baseball, esp for Dominicans. If he is found to use steroids, it would release all credibility from the late 1990's when he brought many back to the game.

2.) ARod - best player in the game? If he was found to use steroids, it would place a black cloud over one of (possibly) the best careers in baseball history. If he plays a full career, he's got a chance to be one of the top 5 players in history in terms of career numbers.

3.) Schilling - would really rock baseball after his tough guy performance in the baseball playoffs. I don't think it's him because he isn't a surefire HOF'er.

Others worthy of consideration:
-Jeter (not a sure fire HOF'er)
-Rivera - definately a HOF'er, don't know if he would "bring baseball to his knees" though


I think that for a player to be as big as this article makes them out to be, they would have to come from a major market (New York, Boston). Frankly, the national media never really seems to care about players in the AL that don't play for one of those two teams. Sosa seems to be the favorite as his numbers have taken a plummet this season once the steroid rules have been in effect.

Let's take a look at NL possibilities:
(defined as potential HOF'er)

1.) Todd Helton - definately a potential HOF'er with some of his numbers, and he has had a rough year which makes me question if something else might be going on since he's turned it on as of late. Pure speculation on my part but let's get some more names out there!

2.) Pujols - only a potential because he hasn't been around long enough. I don't think he's stupid enough though.

3.) Delgado - seems to be everyone else's favorite but I don't think he's a potential HOF'er.

Other possibilities:
- a pitcher, such as Glavine, P. Martinez, Gagne (mentioned earlier, don't see him as a potential HOF'er)
-Edmonds (have to admit I would enjoy seeing this)
-A. Jones (having an incredible season, maybe he got a little extra help)

The NL is really a crapshoot to try and guess. How many players in the league would be potential HOF'ers. There are several older players and you would have to include young superstars in this catagory. The picks I made were pure guesses based on the hints given.

I think it's terrible what this steroid scandal has turned into. All of us on here are having fun trying to "guess the user." The players that come out of these suspensions clean will have to be ticked that all of this suspicion is going around. It only hurts them to be linked with rumors that come about because broadcaster drop these hints. MLB really needs to look at who gets this information concerning positive tests because all of the finger pointing and speculation could get out of hand.

CTA513
08-13-2005, 02:13 PM
Ill add to my list of guesses:
Sammy Sosa
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Jeff Bagwell
Chipper Jones
Lance Berkman
Randy Johnson
Bernie Williams
Morgan Ensberg
John Franco
John Smoltz
Julio Franco
Barry Bonds

ghettochild
08-13-2005, 02:17 PM
we probably won't know about it until the offseason

KronoRed
08-13-2005, 02:23 PM
Yeah, and look at the size of his head.

I knew there was a reason Rosie never wins..she's getting cheated! :angry:

MrCinatit
08-13-2005, 02:52 PM
Yeah, and look at the size of his head.
ah, but if we are going by the size of one's head, then we should look no further than Griffey...after all, he did suffer from gigantism (sp?) in an episode of the Simpsons, correct?

BoydsOfSummer
08-13-2005, 04:26 PM
Bring the game to it's knees? Like bargaining agreement negotiation that cost the end of the 1994 season and the World Series and the beginning of the 1995 season? That damaged the game so much that the powers that be on both sides turned a blind eye to obvious steroid use,because it brought fans back.

That kind of bringing the game to it's knees?

Caveat Emperor
08-13-2005, 04:36 PM
Snape is the potions guy.

You know he's juicing too...check out the 'Roid rage he displays in the latest book. :eek:

PickOff
08-13-2005, 05:12 PM
I'm going with Jim Edmonds for the NL and Randy Johnson in the AL.

RedsBaron
08-13-2005, 05:22 PM
I'm guessing Juan Castro and Jimmy Haynes. If it is revealed that they have been on the juice it will bring the game to its knees.

savafan
08-19-2005, 05:50 PM
Michael Kay just said on his ESPN radio show that MLB has told him there is no truth to these rumors.


This doesn't make sense. Where did these rumors get their start if there was nothing to them to begin with?

OSURedLeg
08-19-2005, 05:54 PM
Michael Kay just said on his ESPN radio show that MLB has told him there is no truth to these rumors.


This doesn't make sense. Where did these rumors get their start if there was nothing to them to begin with?

Michael Kay ;)

Just think, since he's mentioned it on his show his ratings have probably went through the roof with listeners waiting to hear the big news. Personally, I think guys like Kay owe a HUGE apology to Roger Clemens because that's the only name I've heard the last couple days. I would be way more shocked about Clemens using them than even Palmeiro, and it's a shame these talking heads can somehow cast shadows of doubt over him.

Keithwg_24
08-19-2005, 06:48 PM
If I'm not mistaken, PUjols is the first player to hit 30 bombs in his first 5 years each correct?? That's plenty of potential hall of fame possibilities down the road if he keeps up this pace, not to mention the guy is a beast. As far as the AL'er my guess is going to be Slammy Sammy, just seems too obvious he was on them before with the weight loss and lowered production.

oneupper
08-19-2005, 07:37 PM
The Rumor Mill is on Steriods!

Topcat
08-20-2005, 06:24 AM
OK ! I am calling out WOY that man has to be on the Juice! His knowledge and articulation of the game of baseball is UNGODLY! I can not get my head around the amount of knowledge he posses and pardon my french lol I am taking pharmacology and that ducker (yeah it rhymes with it) astounds me at his ability to soak up so much knowledge< WOY is on the JUICE!

KronoRed
08-20-2005, 02:58 PM
At least they aren't accusing me anymore

Sorry WOY ;)

pedro
08-20-2005, 03:17 PM
OK ! I am calling out WOY that man has to be on the Juice! His knowledge and articulation of the game of baseball is UNGODLY! I can not get my head around the amount of knowledge he posses and pardon my french lol I am taking pharmacology and that ducker (yeah it rhymes with it) astounds me at his ability to soak up so much knowledge< WOY is on the JUICE!

It's true. In fact, I saw him inject himself with 3 or 4 of these last night.

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