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Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 02:35 PM
Starting Lineups
No. Cincinnati Milwaukee
1 Ryan Freel, 2B Rickie Weeks, 2B
2 Sean Casey, 1B Bill Hall, SS
3 Ken Griffey Jr., CF Lyle Overbay, 1B
4 Austin Kearns, RF Carlos Lee, LF
5 Adam Dunn, LF Geoff Jenkins, RF
6 Jason LaRue, C Wes Helms, 3B
7 Edwin Encarnacion, 3B Corey Hart, CF
8 Ray Olmedo, SS Chad Moeller, C
9 Brandon Claussen, P Doug Davis, P

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 02:38 PM
Casey in the two slot... that's different.

KronoRed
08-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Ray playing :clap:

LaRue did well in the 2 spot..I'd put him there over the Case

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 02:53 PM
Well, Casey is the team's best hitter vs. LH pitching. As long as you run Freel to counteract the DP, it's OK.

captainmorgan07
08-14-2005, 03:00 PM
good to see ray ray in the lineup 2 straight series sweeps would be great

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:08 PM
Freel strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:09 PM
Casey singles to center.

Gallen5862
08-14-2005, 03:11 PM
Hi storms in area. Any score?

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 03:12 PM
Hi storms in area. Any score?

No

Does it rain everyday? :lol:

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:13 PM
Junior strikes out looking. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:14 PM
Hi storms in area. Any score?

Do you live in the rain forest? :p:

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:15 PM
Kearns strikes out looking. 0-0 mid 1st.

Walkerforpres
08-14-2005, 03:15 PM
No

Does it rain everyday? :lol:

I think I need it explained to me why some people can check Redszone but can't check MLB GameDay?

Is this the result of what the kids call "wireless internet?" :)

Gallen5862
08-14-2005, 03:15 PM
Just about lol.

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 03:16 PM
You know...Kearns K's looking at pitches right down the middle WAAAYYY too much

westofyou
08-14-2005, 03:16 PM
Does it rain everyday?

Only from October to June



Do you live in the rain forest

Yes

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:19 PM
Weeks grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 03:21 PM
You know...Kearns K's looking at pitches right down the middle WAAAYYY too much

And he also foul tips pitches all the time--which suggests that he's guessing the right pitch and not timing it (vision/depth of field problems?) or his bat's too slow.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:21 PM
Hall lines out to 1st. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:22 PM
Overbay singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:25 PM
Lee lines out to center. Great catch by Griffey. 0-0 after 1.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 03:26 PM
Hot Carl(os) Lee lines out to Griff.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:26 PM
Only from October to June



Yes

Do you like it? I despise rain. I would like to live in southern California or somwhere like that. Nice year round warm climate and not a lot of rain.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 03:27 PM
I think Claussen has some mental block vs. Overbay, he threw two pitches on the lower part of the plate and wham, the 3rd pitch was right into Lyle's wheelhouse.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:28 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 03:28 PM
pretty obvious that no one can see the ball very well.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Larue grounds out to short. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Looks like this ump has a huge strikezone...could be a long day for the Reds.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm usually cool with our tendency to strike out, but this is ridiculous. Davis isn't even a strikeout pitcher.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:30 PM
Encarnacion fouls out to the catcher. 0-0 mid 2nd.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 03:31 PM
I'm usually cool with our tendency to strike out, but this is ridiculous. Davis isn't even a strikeout pitcher.Miller park is notorious for being extremely difficult to see the ball during an afternoon game on a sunny day. You can tell the players can't pick the ball up by all the taken strikes.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:34 PM
Jenkins strikes out swinging. 1 out.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 03:35 PM
Miller park is notorious for being extremely difficult to see the ball during an afternoon game on a sunny day. You can tell the players can't pick the ball up by all the taken strikes.

Learn something new everyday I guess - and it certainly makes sense with the way they're leaving the bats on their shoulders. Thanks for the insight. :thumbup:

Gallen5862
08-14-2005, 03:35 PM
David Weathers option for next year kicked in.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:36 PM
Helms walks.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 03:36 PM
Learn something new everyday I guess - and it certainly makes sense with the way they're leaving the bats on their shoulders. Thanks for the insight. :thumbup:Th reason is the field is in bright sunlight and the batters eye is in the shade.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:37 PM
Hart flies out to center. 2 outs.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 03:38 PM
I have no problem with another year of Weathers if he can produce similar results. After an awful start to the season, he's been by far our steadiest reliever.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:39 PM
Moeller strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 2.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:40 PM
Claussen has already thrown 42 pitches. Currently working on nine consecutive shutout innings streak.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 03:41 PM
Claussen has already thrown 42 pitches through 2 innings. He's going to need to show some efficiency if he wants to stretch this out past 5 innings.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Once again OBM beats me to the punch

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:44 PM
Olmedo walks.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:45 PM
Claussen tries to sacrifice but pops up foul. Not out yet.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:45 PM
Ortiz and Claussen have laid down some stellar bunts the last two nights.

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 03:47 PM
Bunting....wow


Is it really that hard?

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:47 PM
Claussen tries 3 times to bunt and ends up stiking out by fouling another 1 off. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:47 PM
Olmedo steals 2nd.

Gainesville Red
08-14-2005, 03:47 PM
I wonder if I could bunt against major league pitching. Doubtful. Still think they ought to be able to do it.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 03:48 PM
SB anyway. Don't sweat it, Brandon. Just keep putting up zeroes.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:50 PM
Freel grounds out to short. 2 outs.

westofyou
08-14-2005, 03:50 PM
Bunting....wow


Is it really that hard?

Everything on the field is harder than it looks, even bunting against a LH.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:51 PM
Casey singles in a run and is thrown out trying to go to 2nd. 1-0 Reds mid 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:52 PM
Casey is a dumb baserunner.

Palmeiro got booed by Orioles fans in his return today.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:55 PM
Davis triples over Junior's head.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 03:55 PM
Good grief. He gets ahead 1-2 on Davis and then allows a triple. Nice pitching. :rolleyes:

Playadlc
08-14-2005, 03:56 PM
I love what Griffey brings to the table offensively, but we have to get him out of CF. He is just way too slow.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 03:56 PM
Weeks singles off Encarnacion. 1-1.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 03:57 PM
That was routine, though Claussen is scared of the Brewers and it shows.

WVRedsFan
08-14-2005, 03:58 PM
I love what Griffey brings to the table offensively, but we have to get him out of CF. He is just way too slow.

Huh? Look again. Few outfielders would play that perfectly. He's the best outfielder we have without question.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 03:59 PM
Claussen has already thrown 42 pitches. Currently working on nine consecutive shutout innings streak.... shouldn't have brought that up.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:00 PM
Weeks steals 2nd.

westofyou
08-14-2005, 04:00 PM
He's the best outfielder we have without question.

Even one of the 3 Little Pigs was the skinniest.

Playadlc
08-14-2005, 04:00 PM
Huh? Look again. Few outfielders would play that perfectly. He's the best outfielder we have without question.

Most CF's would get to that ball without having to make an over the shoulder basket catch. Griffey has a great glove, I don't question that. I question his ability to get to balls. He might be the slowest CF in the game.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 04:01 PM
Everytime you look Claussen has a full count on somebody.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:01 PM
He's the best outfielder we have without question.that may be true but he is not a good CF these days. He is WAY to slow.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:01 PM
Hall flies out to center. Runner goes to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:02 PM
Overbay hits a sacrifice fly to center. 2-1 Brewers. 2 outs.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 04:02 PM
Everytime you look Claussen has a full count on somebody.

That is because he is pitching scared. He quits going after them after getting ahead.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:02 PM
Lee pops out to 2nd. 2-1 Brewers after 3.

Kc61
08-14-2005, 04:04 PM
Claussen has to learn to go after weaker hitters. He lost this inning when he went full on Davis. When up 1-2 against the pitcher, you have to put him away. Instead, he went full against him and had to throw a strike. Davis then hit the ball well and got a triple.

Agree Griffey should have got there, but Claussen is hurting himself by nibbling (or just lacking control).

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:06 PM
Junior homers to left center. Tie game 2-2.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:06 PM
lloks like the sun has gone behind some clouds and people are getting better swings.

Gallen5862
08-14-2005, 04:08 PM
Jr 26th home run 527. :party: :clap: :rockband:

WVRedsFan
08-14-2005, 04:08 PM
Junior homers to left center. Tie game 2-2.

I know you can't compare the two situations, but if Casey had been satisfied with first after he drove Olmedo in...you just wonder why this team is so horrible (with a couple of exceptions) on the basepaths.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:08 PM
Kearns strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 04:09 PM
Griff with a makeup homer.

Gainesville Red
08-14-2005, 04:10 PM
Kearns strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Quasi-swinging. An awful attempt to hold the bat back. Sometimes I'm just not sure about Kearns. I keep hoping though.

TheBurn
08-14-2005, 04:13 PM
According to my Gameday this guy's been going after Dunn right down the middle, except for those two low balls! :eek:

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:13 PM
Dunn flies out to right. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:14 PM
Larue doubles to the wall in left center.

TheBurn
08-14-2005, 04:15 PM
LaRue 2B!

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:16 PM
Encarnacion grounds out to 3rd. 2-2 mid 4th.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:17 PM
According to my Gameday this guy's been going after Dunn right down the middle, except for those two low balls! :eek:gameday is general is not real accurate. I have it up while watching the game and most are not all that close

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:18 PM
Jenkins fouls out to the catcher. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:19 PM
Helms singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:22 PM
Hart grounds into a 4-6-3 double play. 2-2 after 4.

Walkerforpres
08-14-2005, 04:22 PM
THAT was a fairly sweet-looking DP by Freel and Olmedo. What a great turn by ReyRey.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:26 PM
Olmedo pops out to 1st.
Claussen strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:28 PM
Freel strikes out looking. 2-2 mid 5th.

redsfan30
08-14-2005, 04:28 PM
What's the record for most strikes looked at in a game?

KoryMac5
08-14-2005, 04:29 PM
davis has K'd 8 Reds through 5

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:30 PM
Moeller flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:31 PM
Davis strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:34 PM
Weeks strikes out swinging. 2-2 after 5.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 04:34 PM
A sure sign that a pitcher has improved: the vox populi gripes when he makes one mistake pitch to the pitcher. :devil:

CTA513
08-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Put a Brewers uniform on Claussen and he would get more of those close balls called strikes.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:36 PM
Casey flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:38 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Dumatrait has a no-hitter through five for Chattanooga.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:41 PM
Kearns pops out to 2nd. 2-2 mid 6th.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:44 PM
Great catch by Kearns as he catches Halls ball on the warning track and then crashes into the wall.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:45 PM
Great leaping catch by Freel to catch Overbay's line drive. 2 outs.

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 04:45 PM
Kearns is the only one of our OF's that catches that ball.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 04:45 PM
Kearns had a nice beat on that one. Hopefully his bat reheats soon. Afte the 3rd, that was some serious nice D from the Reds that inning. Claussen only had one easy out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:46 PM
Lee grounds out to 3rd. 2-2 after 6.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 04:46 PM
Claussen really settled down. 90 pitches through six innings, he could go one more.

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 04:47 PM
Just saw the replay...I could be wrong.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:49 PM
Dunn grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Larue grounds out to short. 2 outs.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Dunn almost never swings 3-0. He needs to be more agressive in that situation. The 3-0 was belt high and down the middle.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:51 PM
Encarnacion pops out to short. 2-2 mid 7th.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 04:52 PM
Dunn almost never swings 3-0. He needs to be more agressive in that situation. The 3-0 was belt high and down the middle.

I didn't see the AB. But why swing 3-0 if you don't like the pitch?

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 04:53 PM
Dave Williams is having himself a whale of a game against Houston. 6 2/3 innings, 7K, 0R (so far).

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 04:54 PM
I think Kearns may have rammed a tooth into the inner bottom lip on that face plant into the wall. He kept flicking it. Just hope there are no ill effects to the shoulder.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:57 PM
Jenkins doubles to left.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:57 PM
better get him now

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 04:58 PM
better get him now

One hitter too many.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 04:59 PM
I didn't see the AB. But why swing 3-0 if you don't like the pitch?it was a belt high down the middle 3-0 fastball. He grounded out on the next pitch was a fastball down and on the outer 3rd of the plate

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 04:59 PM
Helms hits a ground rule double to right center. 3-2 Brewers

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:00 PM
Claussen should have been taken out after 6, I can mind read him better than Narron, that last inning was the indicator.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:00 PM
Coffey coming in to pitch.

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:01 PM
Actually, that was not a bad pitch at all. He hit it practically out of the dirt.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:01 PM
Helms and Overbay--can we trade for these guys? I mean they are a two-man wrecking crew against the Reds.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:01 PM
Helms hits a ground rule double to right center. 3-2 Brewersi would have never guessed that. Jerry pulled a Miley

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:02 PM
Hart lines out to short. 1 out.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:03 PM
I would look for 3-1 or 4-1 lead before the inning ends

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:03 PM
If the Reds lose this, though, it's the offense's fault. They've looked atrocious today. Poor, poor at-bats.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 05:03 PM
Dave Williams is having himself a whale of a game against Houston. 6 2/3 innings, 7K, 0R (so far).

The Pirates have a good young nucleus of pitching to build around: Oliver Perez, Kip Wells, Zach Duke, Dave Williams, Mike Gonzalez, Ian Snell and some decent arms in the minors. But Jason Bay and Brad Eldred are about all they have on offense.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:04 PM
Moeller grounds out to 1st. Good play by Casey. Runner goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:04 PM
Magruder pinch hits for Davis and flies out to right. 3-2 Brewers after 7.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 05:05 PM
Dumatrait has a no-hitter through six.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:06 PM
The Brewers seriously screwed up. I could have hit Coffey.

Tornon
08-14-2005, 05:06 PM
Coffey was hit extremely hard that inning

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:06 PM
If the Reds lose this, though, it's the offense's fault. They've looked atrocious today. Poor, poor at-bats.

It happens... even to the good teams.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:07 PM
Jose Cappelan comes in to pitch for the Brewers.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Dumatrait still with a no hitter through 6 innings. But the crazy thing is, he's issued 6 walks.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Dumatrait has a no-hitter through six.I would think he is about out of pitches with the 6BBs and 7Ks

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:09 PM
Jose Cappelan comes in to pitch for the Brewers.make him throw strikes

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:09 PM
Olmedo walks.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:10 PM
Rey swings at ball4

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:10 PM
Lopez pinch hitting for Coffey.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:11 PM
Olmedo steals 2nd.

jmcclain19
08-14-2005, 05:12 PM
If that throw is online Olmedo is meat. Those kind of rally killers give me indigestion - but playing w/ Fire works out on this account.

jmcclain19
08-14-2005, 05:13 PM
Felipe's splits between right handed and left handed should wake up some folks to tell him that he should be hitting left handed all the time. It's not even close.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:13 PM
Felipe's splits between right handed and left handed should wake up some folks to tell him that he should be hitting left handed all the time. It's not even close.before this season he has been better as a RH hitter

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:14 PM
Freel may be bunting ... personally I would let him hit, he may walk.

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:14 PM
BASE ON BALLS!!!! 2 ON!!!! NO OUTS!!!

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:14 PM
Lopez walks. Good 10 pitch AB. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:15 PM
Felipe fouls off ball 4, but Cappy gives it to him anyway.

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:15 PM
SAC BUNT! 2ND AND 3RD 1 OUT!!! PITCHING CHANGE!!!

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:15 PM
Good bunt by Freel. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:17 PM
Jorge De La Rosa coming in to pitch.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 05:18 PM
Well this keeps the runners off 1st for Casey. That's a relief.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:18 PM
This may be the ballgame with the meat of the order coming up.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:18 PM
Sean ... make him get the ball up

Eric_Davis
08-14-2005, 05:18 PM
Hard for Casey to hit into the DP now.

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
DAMN!!!

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
Thanks sean ... swings at a ball 6 inches off the ground

jmcclain19
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
before this season he has been better as a RH hitter

You know - checking his career stats you are dead on - I had it flipped, I knew he was better from one side and I had 'er flipped. He's a career .130OPS points better from the right side than the left.

I stand corrected.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
Casey grounds into a 3-2 fielder's choice. Runners at 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
Casey :angry:

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
LMAO....he almost pushed lil Ray-Ray into the first row!

Eric_Davis
08-14-2005, 05:20 PM
Good hitting by the REDS against a pitcher they've never seen before.

TheBurn
08-14-2005, 05:21 PM
C'mon JR!

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:21 PM
KEN GRIFFEY JR. SINGLES IN TIE RUN!!!

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:21 PM
Junior singles to right. Tie game 3-3!

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:21 PM
sending Olmedo likley cost a run

TheBurn
08-14-2005, 05:21 PM
3-3 game... :jump:

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
I would pinch run for Casey

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
Griff with a nice Vet AB uh, Sean?

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
LMAO....he almost pushed lil Ray-Ray into the first row!

Why did he even run on that?

TheBurn
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
I would pinch run for CaseyGood call! :thumbup:

KoryMac5
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
can we please end the trade rumors now.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
Kane Davis coming in to pitch.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:24 PM
can we please end the trade rumors now.nope ... someone else can have the risk

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:24 PM
sending Olmedo likley cost a run

In that situation, you go on contact. You can't wait to see if the ball goes through, because you might easily not score on a ground out. Even if you get thrown out, you make them make the play, and you still have the tying run on 3rd.

And Griffey likely gets walked if runners are on second and third.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:24 PM
Kearns better hit a triple

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
AUSTIN KEARNS ROBBED BY GEOFF JENKINS!!

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Jenkins makes a great catch in right to rob Kearns. 3-3 mid 8th.

NJReds
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Kearns robbed by Jenkins. Damn...took away an extra base hit. Casey might have scored... ;)

Playadlc
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Now that was a big time catch.

Eric_Davis
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Pinch-run for Casey...Go for the win on the road, not the tie, otherwise...why even have Freel bunt?

Pinch-hit for Kearns.

Joseph
08-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Great display of 'D' by the RFers in this series.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:26 PM
Why can't Grande just say Sean is one of the slowest players in baseball and it will be hard for him to score on a single

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:26 PM
Great display of 'D' by the RFers in this series.

A lot better than the Cubs Right Fielder.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:28 PM
Belisle in to pitch. Lopez stays in at short. Olmedo moves to 2nd. Freel moves to right.

NJReds
08-14-2005, 05:28 PM
Belisle in to pitch. Felipe at SS, Olmedo moves to 2b and Freel to RF.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:30 PM
Weeks lines a single to right.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:32 PM
Belisle commits an error. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:33 PM
I don't think the reds are going to win this one, the breaks just don't seem to be going our way.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:34 PM
gosh ... maybe playing for one run wasn't a good idea.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:34 PM
Mercker in to pitch.

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:35 PM
Why the bunt play (either offense or defense) is something we can't handle is beyond my comprhension.It must cost us 15 runs per game.

If we could even up the bunting situations, we'd be the Cardinals. :bang:

RBA
08-14-2005, 05:36 PM
Overbay must of attended the Reds School of Bunting.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Overbay singles in a run. 4-3 Brewers. 1st and 3rd with no outs.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Well we knew the bullpen wouldn't keep it up. That's ballgame.

WVRedsFan
08-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Sad to say, but I can never remember (and probably it's happened--I just can't remember) Sean Casey with a big hit to win a game in the last two years. Always a grounder to the right side. I know I'm wrong, but I just can't remember any.

That was probably our chance to win today and we blew it. ten in a row ain't too bad, though.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Ball game. No more wild card. :devil: Kidding.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:39 PM
wow, they couldn't get the bunt down but get a hit instead. Whoda thunkit. Maybe bunting with your good hitters is a dumb idea.

If he had bunted them over, lee would have been walked and Jenkins pitched to.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:40 PM
Lee flies out to left. Oberbay goes to 2nd. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:40 PM
gosh ... maybe playing for one run wasn't a good idea.

When you bunt with runners on first and second and no outs, you are playing for 2 runs. You are trying to increase the chances of the runner on first scoring.With the added bonus of vastly increasing the chances of the other runner scoring.

It's like when you bunt with a runner on first and no outs, you are playing for 1 run, not 0 runs.

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:40 PM
Great throw to home by Adam Dunn... an assist for sure, if only the guy had run.

WVRedsFan
08-14-2005, 05:41 PM
Mercker hasn't been that great since the AS break. He usually allows a hit while he's in there and we couldn't afford that today.

OnBaseMachine
08-14-2005, 05:42 PM
Sad to say, but I can never remember (and probably it's happened--I just can't remember) Sean Casey with a big hit to win a game in the last two years. Always a grounder to the right side. I know I'm wrong, but I just can't remember any.

That was probably our chance to win today and we blew it. ten in a row ain't too bad, though.

Agreed. I do, however, remember him killing numerous rallies with double plays and failing to dig balls out of the dirt in the ninth inning of a game against the Cardinals on May 2nd. You know, the game in which the Reds blew a six run lead in the ninth. ;)

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:42 PM
Jenkins grounds to Casey who throws home but Hall just beats the throw. 1st and 3rd with 1 out. 5-3 Brewers.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
When you bunt with runners on first and second and no outs, you are playing for 2 runs. when you give up an out(even when bunting two runners over) you are playing for ONE run because they premise for bunting is scoring without a hit.

Gallen5862
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
hi lost the internet connection. What inning is it?

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
Jason Stanridge in to pitch.

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
More shoddy D this inning cost the Reds AGAIN.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
Agreed. I do, however, remember him killing numerous rallies with double plays and failing to dig balls out of the dirt in the ninth inning of a game against the Cardinals on May 2nd. You know, the game in which the Reds blew a six run lead in the ninth. ;)

It's a good thing then, that the Reds get to pay him 7 million to do it all again next year. Just like I said would happen.

dsmith421
08-14-2005, 05:44 PM
It is mindboggling how poor the Reds are at executing bunt plays both on offense and defense. I am aware, and tend to agree, with the criticisms of bunting with good hitters, and would not have had Freel bunting in the top of the eighth. But there is NO EXCUSE for our infield defenders to not be well-versed in dealing with the bunt, and there is even less excuse for our pitchers, who can't hit anyway, to not be able to get one down when asked. This may not cost us that many runs in the long run, but it is such an easy thing to fix, with just a little practice.

OSURedLeg
08-14-2005, 05:45 PM
Mercker has had a good season, but he is really poor when he inherits runners. Is there somewhere to pull up the stat on that? I saw something on it earlier, but I don't know where I could check up on it.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:45 PM
It's a good thing then, that the Reds get to pay him 7 million to do it all again next year. actually it will be ~$8M

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:46 PM
Helms flies out. 2 outs.

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 05:47 PM
actually it will be ~$8M

Let's pretend it's 4 million.

CTA513
08-14-2005, 05:47 PM
Game Over.

Reds Fanatic
08-14-2005, 05:47 PM
Hart homers 8-3 Brewers.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:47 PM
I can't help but chuckle

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 05:47 PM
Ok...so you can't win them all....

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Has the REAL Standridge arrived?

WVRedsFan
08-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Agreed. I do, however, remember him killing numerous rallies with double plays and failing to dig balls out of the dirt in the ninth inning of a game against the Cardinals on May 2nd. You know, the game in which the Reds blew a six run lead in the ninth. ;)

It's really kind of sad in a way. Casey is a hitting machine, but it seems it's never when it counts. He'll forever be remembered in his last years here as a rally killer and a sure double killer. When he came to the Reds from Cleveland, I would never have believed it.

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Has the REAL Standridge arrived?

That's the first time he's done that (I think). It happens -- he's been lights out up till this one bad day

Aronchis
08-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Narrons had a bad game. Left Claussen 1 inning to long, used Standridge for 3rd straight day.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:49 PM
Has the REAL Standridge arrived?A hit an inning with a high BB rate and low K rate is not a recipe for success. Regression to the norm is likely to come hard.

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 05:49 PM
How's that for a correction in the 'ol flyball/groundball ratio?

CTA513
08-14-2005, 05:49 PM
Standridge gives up a homerun and now hes a crappy pitcher. :eek:

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:50 PM
That's the first time he's done that (I think). It happens -- he's been lights out up till this one bad dayhis BPIs suggest it has mostly been smoke and mirrors.

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:50 PM
when you give up an out(even when bunting two runners over) you are playing for ONE run because they premise for bunting is scoring without a hit.

Incorrect. You vastly increase the chances to score the 1 run, correct, but you are also very interested in scoring the runner you bunt to second. It serves 2 purposes.

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 05:51 PM
his BPIs suggest it has mostly been smoke and mirrors.

That very well could be, but recent history suggests he's done well as a Cincinnati Red.

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:52 PM
Has the REAL Standridge arrived?

Because of one pitch?

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:53 PM
Has the REAL Standridge arrived?

I bet you've had that post ready to go for 3 weeks now.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:53 PM
you vastly increase the chances to score the 1 run, and decrease the chance for scoring more than one run(see BPs expected run matrix). Outs are the most precious commodity an offense has.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 05:54 PM
I bet you've had that post ready to go for 3 weeks now.

No, but his career numbers have.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:55 PM
That very well could be, but recent history suggests he's done well as a Cincinnati Red.and it is an extremely small sample size aided by a high strand rate.

TeamBoone
08-14-2005, 05:56 PM
his BPIs suggest it has mostly been smoke and mirrors.

Oh. Come. On! For Pete's sake!

BoydsOfSummer
08-14-2005, 05:56 PM
Well pooey,that got ugly in a hurry.

flyer85
08-14-2005, 05:59 PM
Oh. Come. On! For Pete's sake!you don't even know what BPIs and why they are important. They have the ability to tell you if the outcomes are based on a discernable set of skills or are a product of good fortune more than anything else. Standridge's BPIs suggest his performance outcomes are not even close to being sustainable.

Matt700wlw
08-14-2005, 05:59 PM
Good run Reds.

GREAT road trip.

The San Francisco Mini's are next.

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 05:59 PM
and decrease the chance for scoring more than one run(see BPs expected run matrix). Outs are the most precious commodity an offense has.

Depends on the situation. In a normal situation, the decrease in scoring chances for more than 1 run is pretty marginal. With the heart of your order coming up, I suggest bunting with Freel for Casey/Griffey was a defensible move.

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 06:02 PM
I can't help but chuckle


Then I suggest you pull your pants back up. ;)

Patrick Bateman
08-14-2005, 06:08 PM
you don't even know what BPIs and why they are important. They have the ability to tell you if the outcomes are based on a discernable set of skills or are a product of good fortune more than anything else. Standridge's BPIs suggest his performance outcomes are not even close to being sustainable.

Before today, teams were hitting a combined .572 OPS against him. Now, no one expected that to continue, but I'm unclear as to why there's a suggestion that he had been lucky. It's not like he has been giving up a ton of baserunners and leaving them stranded.

westofyou
08-14-2005, 06:10 PM
Oh. Come. On! For Pete's sake!

Just like a Reds fan... always bringing up Pete. ;)

flyer85
08-14-2005, 06:16 PM
Before today, teams were hitting a combined .572 OPS against him. Now, no one expected that to continue, but I'm unclear as to why there's a suggestion that he had been lucky. It's not like he has been giving up a ton of baserunners and leaving them stranded.he has a low K rate, a high BB rate, a low BABIP and a high strand rate. That is not sustainable in the long run. His only discernable skill is a low HR rate(he hadn't given up any).

He has been fortunate in his outcomes. There is nothing to suggest he will be anything more than an average middle reliever.

Falls City Beer
08-14-2005, 07:07 PM
The offense threw out the instructions, Narron left the Crazy Glue at home, and the bullpen slipped and fell fullweight on the HO-scale-model lead zeppelin.

Big Klu
08-15-2005, 12:21 AM
Just got home, so I've been away from my computer all day.


Updated Reds HR list:

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Gus Bell - 160
11. Joe Morgan - 152
11. Pete Rose - 152
13. Adam Dunn - 151
14. Lee May - 147
15. Dan Driessen - 133
16. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 129
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 116
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96