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Chip R
08-17-2005, 12:32 PM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/TopBadGuys

J.R. Ewing, "Dallas"
(CBS, 1978-1991). Larry Hagman's cunning portrayal of "Dallas's" scheming tycoon launched a thousand great bad guys, including Tony Soprano and Vic Mackey on "The Shield." Over his conniving, cheating, lying core, J.R. spread a glistening patina of Texas crude that made him irresistible, but no less deadly (Cliff Barnes, R.I.P.). Who didn't want to shoot him, darlin'?

Leland Palmer, "Twin Peaks"
(ABC, 1990-1991). Yes, there were loads of creepy people on David Lynch's skin-crawling series -- whacked-out Leo,
double-crossing Benjamin Horne, icy Catherine Martell -- but Laura Palmer's avuncular-seeming dad was by far the scariest. He killed his daughter (which viewers were spared) and then he killed her look-alike cousin, Maddie (which we weren't... shudder), and then his "spirit" appeared to live on in all the evildoings around town, including the mysterious BOB. Diane, the food is damn good -- but the villains, even better.

Mr. Burns, "The Simpsons"
(Fox, 1989-present) Evil, cold (literally), calculating -- with (yellow) feet of clay. As an animated baddie, he owes a debt to Boris Badenov of "The Bullwinkle Show" (nefarious plans undone by own hubris) and Snidely Whiplash of "Dudley Do-Right" (drumming of fingers replacing twirling of mustache). But Montgomery Burns has his own way with words ("Simpson, I like the cut of your jib!"). Springfield -- not to mention Smithers -- would be lost without him.

Omarosa, "The Apprentice"
(NBC, 2004). Does anyone even remember who won "The Apprentice" the season Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth appeared? No wonder; she eclipsed the entire boardroom with her scheming, double-crossing, take-no-prisoners approach. That she was gorgeous and supremely self-confident only added to her allure. Never mind the "Surreal Life" backslide; one day we'll all be working for her. And watching our backs.

Amanda Woodward, "Melrose Place"
(Fox, 1992-1999) The minxy love child of J.R. Ewing and "All My Children's" Erica Kane, Heather Locklear's flinty Amanda was the steely backbone of Aaron Spelling's soapy masterpiece. What Amanda wanted, she got: businesses, boyfriends, real estate, other women's husbands. Nobody ever looked so fierce in a power mini-suit.

Bill O'Reilly, "The O'Reilly Factor"
(Fox News, 1996-present). If Baretta -- or Travis Bickle --
had his own newscast, this is what it'd be. For the throw-the-baloney-sandwich-at-the-TV-as-you-shriek quotient, you can't beat O'Reilly's show (though Nancy Grace's is a close second). He's a jerk and a proud provocateur; even if you disagree with him, you can hardly turn him off. That's right: Shut Up!

Catwoman, "Batman"
(ABC, 1966-1968). Eartha Kitt and Lee Meriwether have their fans, but the Catwoman who earned nine lives for her statuesque, slinky nastiness was the original, Julie Newmar. Honestly, we never really thought the Joker, the Penguin or the Riddler could pull one over on Batman, but who could miss his squirming when Newmar padded in on little cat feet? Halle Berry, eat your heart out.

Eddie Haskell, "Leave It to Beaver"
(ABC, 1957-1963). What saved this wholesome sitcom from a saccharine aftertaste was the unctuous, two-faced Eddie Haskell, whose very name has come to mean "insincere brownnoser" ("Why, good evening, Mr. and Mrs. Cleaver... "). Weren't we all just a little disappointed when the actor who played him, Ken Osmond, ended up becoming an L.A. cop and doing something meaningful with his life?

Maj. Frank Burns, "M*A*S*H"
(CBS, 1972-1983; Burns 1972-1977). Larry Linville played the hypocritical, obsequious Burns to perfection as the foil of Capt. Hawkeye Pierce and gang. Burns' blowhard character took potshots as a stand-in for the Nixon administration as well as a military whose goals in Vietnam seemed murky at best. Typical exchange: Burns: "Why does everyone take an instant dislike to me?" Trapper John: "It saves time, Frank."

Soup Nazi, "Seinfeld"
(NBC, 1990-1998). OK, I actually ate the real guy's soup in New York. He was horrible! And mean! (Good soup, though.) What, you thought Newman was a better bad guy? No soup for you!

Red Leader
08-17-2005, 12:36 PM
Omarosa, "The Apprentice"
(NBC, 2004). Does anyone even remember who won "The Apprentice" the season Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth appeared? No wonder; she eclipsed the entire boardroom with her scheming, double-crossing, take-no-prisoners approach. That she was gorgeous and supremely self-confident only added to her allure. Never mind the "Surreal Life" backslide; one day we'll all be working for her. And watching our backs.


Gorgeous? Give me a break. She was a total *****, and was lazy to boot. Her 15 minutes of fame were over before she got fired.

Johnny Footstool
08-17-2005, 12:49 PM
Omarosa looks like someone put her in a microwave and melted her face.

redsfanmia
08-17-2005, 09:55 PM
Eddie Haskel was harmless how could he be considered a villian?

KronoRed
08-17-2005, 09:59 PM
Soup Nazi? where's Newman?

alex trevino
08-18-2005, 12:35 AM
Never thought of Frank Burns as a villian.

REDREAD
08-18-2005, 01:06 PM
Sadly, Amanda of Melrose morphed into more of a damsel in distress/heroine after her first year on the show. It was totally absurd how they ended that series. I really don't consider her a villian at all.

I'll have to think about my favorite TV villian. I think good movies usually have a great villian, but on TV with only 30 minutes or an hour, most TV villians are poorly developed.

Chip R
08-18-2005, 01:27 PM
I'm not necessarily a Conservative but Bill O'Reilly? I notice he mentioned Erica Kane a few times but didn't put her on the list. Of course I never saw Erica as a villain. More like Scarlett O'Hara. The Burnses and J.R. were obvious choices. Soup Nazi? 1 episode makes you a top 10 villain?

RFS62
08-18-2005, 01:29 PM
Those guys are pikers. This guy is a real villian.


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Reds/Flyers Fan
08-18-2005, 09:13 PM
What about Boss Hogg?

Falls City Beer
08-18-2005, 09:37 PM
Donald Rumsfeld


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UKFlounder
08-18-2005, 09:37 PM
What about Boss Hogg?

TV villians, not internet ones. :help:

While I'm still allowed to post:

What about the Borg or "Q" from Star Trek?

And going back to childhood, how about Gargamel from the Smurfs? :D

KronoRed
08-18-2005, 10:29 PM
The Borg! good idea, sure they were wussified on Voyager but when they first showed up on TNG it was "OH CRAP"

RedsBaron
08-18-2005, 10:40 PM
I agree about The Borg. Good choice by UKFlounder.
I also agree with Chip R-I don't watch O'Reilly's show, but that sounds like a pick just because someone didn't like his politics. By that standard, Al Franken and Robert Novak and Bill Maher and Bill Buckley and a whole lot of people could be picked, none of whom fit the "TV villain" label to me.
J.R. Ewing deserved his no. 1 pick in my book.

Falls City Beer
08-18-2005, 10:45 PM
I also agree with Chip R-I don't watch O'Reilly's show, but that sounds like a pick just because someone didn't like his politics. By that standard, Al Franken and Robert Novak and Bill Maher and Bill Buckley and a whole lot of people could be picked, none of whom fit the "TV villain" label to me.


The difference between O'Reilly and the four men you mentioned is that Buckley, Maher, Novak, and Franken can form complete, coherent thoughts. Anyone who butchers logic and the English language as badly as O'Reilly is a villain in my book.

marcshoe
08-18-2005, 11:38 PM
And where is the Cigarette Smoking Man?

RedsBaron
08-19-2005, 08:08 AM
Arvin Sloane on "Alias" could have made the list.

Dan
08-19-2005, 08:32 AM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/TopBadGuys

Maj. Frank Burns, "M*A*S*H"
(CBS, 1972-1983; Burns 1972-1977). Larry Linville played the hypocritical, obsequious Burns to perfection as the foil of Capt. Hawkeye Pierce and gang. Burns' blowhard character took potshots as a stand-in for the Nixon administration as well as a military whose goals in Vietnam seemed murky at best. Typical exchange: Burns: "Why does everyone take an instant dislike to me?" Trapper John: "It saves time, Frank."



I think Larry Linville was the best straight man ever on a sit-com. And it's nice to see him get this bit of recognition.

marcshoe
08-19-2005, 09:06 AM
as to the O'Reilly pick, while I mostly agree that real people shouldn't be on the list, after hearing O'Reilly (on his radio show) say, during the DC sniper shootings, that parents should just buck up, send their kids to school, and stop whining--after all, we are at war, and innocents get killed in war, he said--I can understand that dislike of this man, even to the point of considering him a villain, could go beyond political considerations.

But nah, real people shouldn't be on here.

GAC
08-19-2005, 09:21 AM
http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/homepage/winterized/252x190/al2.jpg

TeamCasey
08-19-2005, 09:30 AM
http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2005/MERC-Mar-17-Thu-2005/photos/guest.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7537/joker.jpg

http://www.space-debris.com/bat_gorshin_riddler.jpg

Johnny Footstool
08-19-2005, 10:15 AM
"Ho-GAN!"

flyer85
08-19-2005, 10:22 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boris_natasha_fearless.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Boris_natasha_fearless.jpg
Boris and Natashahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boris_natasha_fearless.jpg

KronoRed
08-19-2005, 03:06 PM
Get Moose!

flyer85
08-19-2005, 03:13 PM
Get Moose!... and squirrel

WVRed
08-19-2005, 03:34 PM
This guy should be number one.

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/07/28/allen.jpg

RFS62
08-19-2005, 05:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boris_natasha_fearless.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Boris_natasha_fearless.jpg
Boris and Natashahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boris_natasha_fearless.jpg


Natasha looks a lot like Debi Mazer


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Reds/Flyers Fan
08-20-2005, 12:44 PM
The difference between O'Reilly and the four men you mentioned is that Buckley, Maher, Novak, and Franken can form complete, coherent thoughts. Anyone who butchers logic and the English language as badly as O'Reilly is a villain in my book.

Al Franken can form complete thoughts? How would anyone know? His latest ratings were worse than the "Tune to 1610 for latest Airport Information" stations in most cities.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Here are three more TV villians, at least as far as I'm concerned: the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns.

Falls City Beer
08-20-2005, 03:20 PM
Al Franken can form complete thoughts? How would anyone know? His latest ratings were worse than the "Tune to 1610 for latest Airport Information" stations in most cities.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Here are three more TV villians, at least as far as I'm concerned: the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns.

Yep as we all know, ratings and intelligence go hand in hand in this country.

Jaycint
08-20-2005, 04:00 PM
Nevermind, I'd rather enjoy my weekend than argue.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-22-2005, 12:17 AM
Good call, GAC. I just finished season one last night. Swearengen is awesome. He steals every scene in the series.

I actually kind of like his character.

dman
08-22-2005, 08:28 AM
Maj. Frank Burns, "M*A*S*H"
(CBS, 1972-1983; Burns 1972-1977). Larry Linville played the hypocritical, obsequious Burns to perfection as the foil of Capt. Hawkeye Pierce and gang. Burns' blowhard character took potshots as a stand-in for the Nixon administration as well as a military whose goals in Vietnam seemed murky at best. Typical exchange: Burns: "Why does everyone take an instant dislike to me?" Trapper John: "It saves time, Frank."

I'm puzzled, they're saying that the Frank Burns character took potshots at Nixon and his goals in Vietnam, but IIRC, M*A*S*H was set during Korea wasn't it????

Chip R
08-22-2005, 09:28 AM
I'm puzzled, they're saying that the Frank Burns character took potshots at Nixon and his goals in Vietnam, but IIRC, M*A*S*H was set during Korea wasn't it????No. In M*A*S*H (the movie and the TV show) Korea was always just an allegory for Vietnam. What the article is saying is that the Frank Burns character was an allegory for the Nixon administration and the military as a whole. Frank was always so rah-rah about the military and the government's reasonings behind being in Korea. He was always defending the indefensible.

Sweetstop
08-22-2005, 09:53 AM
Good call, GAC. I just finished season one last night. Swearengen is awesome. He steals every scene in the series.

I actually kind of like his character.

Al is NOT the villian in the piece, but the rather flawed (understatement :) ) protagonist, who has a heart beating in there somewhere. Season two makes that perfectly clear. Ian McShane's tour de force performance is the best among many larger than life characters in "Deadwood."