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Reds Fanatic
08-20-2005, 06:48 PM
Here are the lineups:


No. Arizona Cincinnati
1 Craig Counsell, 2B Felipe Lopez, SS
2 Royce Clayton, SS Rich Aurilia, 3B
3 Luis Gonzalez, LF Ken Griffey Jr., CF
4 Tony Clark, 1B Adam Dunn, LF
5 Troy Glaus, 3B Sean Casey, 1B
6 Shawn Green, CF Austin Kearns, RF
7 Chad Tracy, RF Javier Valentin, C
8 Kelly Stinnett, C Ray Olmedo, 2B
9 Javier Vazquez, P Aaron Harang, P

pedro
08-20-2005, 06:49 PM
Arizona
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
C. Counsell 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
R. Clayton ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
L. Gonzalez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279
T. Clark 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
T. Glaus 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
S. Green cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
C. Tracy rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
K. Stinnett c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .309
J. Vazquez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
R. Aurilia 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
K. Griffey cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .314
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .233
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
R. Olmedo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .019
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 06:54 PM
Vazquez has struggled since the break--5.75 ERA, 1.57 WHIP, 40.2 innings and 10 homeruns allowed. Tied for fourth in the NL in homeruns allowed with 25.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 06:55 PM
Vazquez has struggled since the break--5.75 ERA, 1.57 WHIP, 40.2 innings and 10 homeruns allowed. He is tied for fourth in the NL in homeruns allowed with 25.

He should do well at GABP. :laugh:

captainmorgan07
08-20-2005, 06:55 PM
nice to see rey rey in the lineup hopefully he can do some damage in the 8 hole

Tony Cloninger
08-20-2005, 07:00 PM
Narron's lineups are boring......nothing to complain about. :D

I guess the RA at 2nd spot can be 1 but it's not like he has been bad there.

I think people miss the days of wondering if a Reggie Taylor or Jason Romano would play for a "tired" Griffey.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Counsell singles.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:14 PM
Clayton flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:16 PM
Counsell steals 2nd.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:19 PM
Gonzalez grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:20 PM
Clark grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:23 PM
Lopez lines out. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 07:23 PM
I hate when the leadoff hitter swings at the first pitch.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:24 PM
Aurilia walks.

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 07:25 PM
I see Casey's back in the lineup tonight. Have to wonder if the reports that surfaced this week about his shoulder are true and being ignored or it's an excuse. Whatever the case, you do have to wonder what his health situation is.

Someone mention Olmedo doing damage. Since that little packet of time when he was hitting nearly 1.000, he's been clueless at the plate, so I doubt damage will be part of his game tonight. And playing Rey, a career bench player ahead of EdE is a crime. If anyone should be sitting it would be Rich. Of course, everyone in the FO thinks we need Rich. I think we need to get EdE as many at-bats as possible.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:26 PM
Griffey singles.

fielder's choice
08-20-2005, 07:26 PM
I hate when the leadoff hitter swings at the first pitch.

Why? If it's a good pitch he thinks he can hit hard, it's better than getting down 0-1.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:26 PM
Dunn pops out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:28 PM
Casey doubles, 1 run scores.

1-0 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 07:28 PM
Why? If it's a good pitch he thinks he can hit hard, it's better than getting down 0-1.

I like for the leadoff hitter to make the pitcher throw a few pitches to show the other hitters what kind of stuff he has. Lopez usually does a good job of that.

KronoRed
08-20-2005, 07:29 PM
Ray and EE splitting time is nuts, Rich and Ray should be the ones splitting time

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 07:30 PM
Ray and EE splitting time is nuts, Rich and Ray should be the ones splitting time

Absolutely! :thumbup:

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:32 PM
Kearns strikes out. 3 outs.

1-0 Reds after 1 inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 07:32 PM
Kearns swung at ball four.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:34 PM
Wood is pitching for Billings tonight

So far.... 5 IP, 4 Hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K

Woods ERA is now at 1.29 while pitching for Billings.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:36 PM
Glaus doubles.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:40 PM
Green doubles, 1 run scores.

1-1 tie game.

Matt700wlw
08-20-2005, 07:41 PM
I wonder if Harang is hurt....his control has decreased...

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:42 PM
Tracy flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:44 PM
Stinnett flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:46 PM
Vazquez grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:49 PM
Valentin singles.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:51 PM
Olmedo grounds into a double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:52 PM
Harang strikes out. 3 outs.

1-1 tie game after 2 innings.

flyer85
08-20-2005, 07:52 PM
I do not understand the fascination with Olmedo. He has never hit.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:55 PM
Counsell grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:56 PM
Clayton grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 07:58 PM
Gonzalez flies out. 3 outs.

1-2-3 inning for Harang.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:02 PM
Lopez flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:03 PM
Aurilia grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:04 PM
Griffey flies out. 3 outs.

1-1 tie game after 3 innings.

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 08:05 PM
I do not understand the fascination with Olmedo. He has never hit.

I totally agree. I think some think he is cute and others think he "works hard." All well and good, but he is anemic at the plate and lots of guys field as well as he does. If anyone sits while he plays, it should be Aurilia.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:08 PM
Clark strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Glaus grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:10 PM
Green singles.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:12 PM
Tracy grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
08-20-2005, 08:13 PM
Checking out the minor league scores and Valdez seems to be pitching good for Dayton... 3 Innings, 0 Hits, 0 BB, 3 K

KronoRed
08-20-2005, 08:14 PM
I do not understand the fascination with Olmedo. He has never hit.

He'll be here next year..RA won't..play the guys who will be around

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 08:15 PM
Dunn tonight: two pitches, two outs. Vazquez at 34 pitches through 3.1 innings. Don't be afraid to take a pitch guys.

RedsIn07
08-20-2005, 08:19 PM
Checking out the minor league scores and Valdez seems to be pitching good for Dayton... 3 Innings, 0 Hits, 0 BB, 3 K
Valdez is pitching for Sarasota right now, James Avery is starting for Dayton tonight and making his 2nd appearance since his promotion. Last time I believe he went 2 perfect innings and struck out 2.

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 08:35 PM
End of 5 it's 1-1.

Reds must have used up all of their hits last night.

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2005, 08:35 PM
Seven pitch inning for Vazquez. Next hitter who swings at the first pitch should be fined. ;)

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:36 PM
End of 5 it's 1-1.

Reds must have used up all of their hits last night.

And their patience. Vasquez only 51 pitches thru 5. Ump's strike zone more generous than last nights, from what I've seen/

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:39 PM
D'backs catch a break. Clark's grounder hits the bag and bounces over Casey's head. Double.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Glaus Walks. First and Second one out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Green Ks.Two out.

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Bullpen up. Harang hasn't been sharp his last three starts.

And with that he strikes out the hitter. 2 out

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Tracy flies to right. Harang gets out the jam. 100 pitches for Aaron.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Aurilia grounds to short. One out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:49 PM
Griffey singles to right.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Dunn grounds into a Casey. After 6. 1-1.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Stinnett grounds to Aurilia. One out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Vazquez grounds to third. Two down.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 08:57 PM
Counsell Flies to Right. Mid 7th. Easy inning for Harang. Pitch count 110.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Casey grounds it hard to second. One out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:01 PM
Kearns grounds the first pitch to third. Two outs.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Valentin grounds out to second. Three out. Only 66 pitches for Vazquez.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Standridge in to pitch. Good outing by Harang.

RedsIn07
08-20-2005, 09:04 PM
Wow another 7 pitch inning. Vazquez at 66 pitches through 7.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:04 PM
Harang 7 IP. 6 Hits, 1 BB , 3 Ks. ERA down to 3.78

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Standridge walks Clayton to lead off the eighth.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:09 PM
Gonzo singles to center. (man he looks thin!)...
This isn't looking good.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Clark Homers! 4-1. phewww.

Matt700wlw
08-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Comeback Player of the Year runner-up knocks this game open

flyer85
08-20-2005, 09:12 PM
it was only a matter of time

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Standridge had nothing....

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Standridge comes down to earth. 4-1 DB's.

I think Standridge is a victim of Narron's policy of using him every day.

Game Over. Unfortunately.

flyer85
08-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Standridge comes down to earth. 4-1 DB's.

I think Standridge is a victim of Narron's policy of using him every day.

Game Over. Unfortunately.Standridge has been a victim of smoke and mirrors.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Glaus Ks. One out.

Falls City Beer
08-20-2005, 09:14 PM
They phoned this baby in. (except Harang).

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Standridge is a victim of not really being all that good.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:15 PM
Merker in. Standridge's ERA up to 3.63.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:18 PM
Green singles to right.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Tracy grounds to Olmedo. Rey flips it backhanded to Felipe for the Force. Nice play.

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Stupid Fact of the Night:

To get one Out that Inning, Jason Standridge threw about 1/4 as many pitches as Vazquez has.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Terrero running for Tracy.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:23 PM
Stinnet K's Mid 8th. 4-1.

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 09:25 PM
Standridge is a victim of not really being all that good.

That too.

It's a shame that they had to use him in key situations.

But, they did.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:26 PM
Terrero stays in the game in CF. Green moves to right.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:27 PM
Olmedo Ks. One out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:28 PM
Olmedo swings at a ball in the dirt.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:29 PM
Cruz K's.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:30 PM
Felipe grounds weakly to short. End 8. 4-1 snakes.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:31 PM
Vazquez at 77 pitches. Coffey in for the REDS.

TeamCasey
08-20-2005, 09:32 PM
Thank you to CTA and oneupper for PBP tonight. It was my only way to follow the game.

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:32 PM
An 11 pitch Inning. Either Vazquez is as ON as ON has ever been, or the Reds are just doing a horrible job of picking up the ball. 76 pitches through 8 is pathetic (although we must understand that there's another team on the field).

Falls City Beer
08-20-2005, 09:32 PM
This is really a gawdawful display by the offense. Vazquez has been bad for two straight years and we're making him look like Clemens.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:33 PM
McCracken in to hit for Vazquez.

redsrule2500
08-20-2005, 09:33 PM
Wow I can't believe we are losing this game.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:35 PM
This is really a gawdawful display by the offense. Vazquez has been bad for two straight years and we're making him look like Clemens.

Vazquez had good stuff. Command of his breaking stuff. But the fact the REDS never made him work helped him IMO.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:36 PM
Q walks.

flyer85
08-20-2005, 09:36 PM
This is really a gawdawful display by the offense. Vazquez has been bad for two straight years and we're making him look like Clemens.This year Vazquez has been extreme, either very bad or very good, tonight well ...

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:36 PM
BTW, Cruz is mired DEEP in a pinch hitting slump.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:37 PM
Thank you to CTA and oneupper for PBP tonight. It was my only way to follow the game.

You're welcome. Sorry for the delay. MLB.tv is about 20 secs behind live.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:38 PM
Counsell chops one into right. Q to third. No outs.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:40 PM
Counsell steals second. Valentin throws it into CF. Q scores. Counsell to third. Sloppy.

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:40 PM
I really would like the entire bullpen to be replaced. The pitchers that is, not the actual bullpen. That can stay. The entirety of the pitchers can go away, to be replaced by actual good pitchers.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:41 PM
Clayton pokes one into center. 6-1.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:41 PM
Shack in to try to stop the bleeding.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Elsewhere. Danny Graves gives up 5 runs to the nats (one earned), who get back in the game after being down 8-0

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:45 PM
Gonzo hits into a force from Lopez to Olmedo. Olmedo drops the ball and can't complete the DP.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:45 PM
Now they get the DP. 5-4-3!

Falls City Beer
08-20-2005, 09:46 PM
The Reds de-entertain me.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Jose Valverde to pitch for the snakes. 6-1 heading into the bottom of the ninth.

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:47 PM
Ok. Shackelford can stay BUT HE'S ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!!!

Everyone else goes.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:48 PM
Graves tonight:

Walk (Schneider)
ground out (Blanco)
Reach on error (Guzman)
Double (Baerga)
Walk (Wilkerson)
Hit (Carroll)

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:48 PM
Ok. Shackelford can stay BUT HE'S ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!!!

Everyone else goes.

i'll keep Belisle, Weathers and Merker, too.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:49 PM
Aurilila Singles. !

SteelSD
08-20-2005, 09:50 PM
i'll keep Belisle, Weathers and Merker, too.

Ok. Belisle can be on DOUBLE SECRET probation too.

Mercker and Weathers are ticking time bombs. They can go.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:50 PM
Griffey grounds to second. Aurilia to second. one out.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:51 PM
C'mon Dunn. Pad your stats!

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Dunn walks. What a selfish thing to put another runner on, when he could have been swinging at lousy pitches.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:54 PM
If the inning gets to rey rey, I really hope we see a PH.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:55 PM
Casey flies to Center. Aurilia tags to third with his meaningless run.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Keans pulls an inside pitch into left. 6-2. Dunn to third.

Gallen5862
08-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Ak drives in a run.

oneupper
08-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Valentin goes down swinging. Snakes beat the Hackers 6-2.

flyer85
08-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Ok. Shackelford can stay BUT HE'S ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!!!

Everyone else goes.wouldn't want to do that, they might find some pitchers that actually miss bats

WVRedsFan
08-20-2005, 10:16 PM
This game all boils down to two reliever both of them going in the same direction. DOWN .

Standridge and Coffey:

IP - 1/3
H - 5
R - 5
ER - 5
BB - 2
K - 1
ERA - 125.00

Looks like a Graves performance. Ugh!

Let them sit awhile. Bring up some arms if possible. Keisler is a human hitting machine, but at least we expect that from him.

P.S. Top 4 of the lineup 3-14 (with Griffey having two of the hits. Botton 4 (not counting Harang) 4-14. Lopez and Dunn swinging early (what's up with that?). Not a good performance (Doh!)

Tony Cloninger
08-20-2005, 10:34 PM
I know this is a REds board......BUT let me give you example NO. 1 of why i hate the modern manager.

Vasquez has less than 80 pitches in 8 innings.....and you take him out??
You would think after overworking a bullpen last night......that he has enough to finish the game at less than 80 pitches. You think anyone else in that bullpen could have pitched any better than your starter? .....Melvin?


And these Reds hitters........clueless as to the fact....that the D-backs bullpen was wasted last night......so you swing at anything?

Maybe they were tired and brain dead.