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CTA513
08-21-2005, 12:21 PM
Reds Diamondbacks
1. F Lopez, SS 1. C Counsell, 2B
2. R Aurilia, 2B 2. R Clayton, SS
3. K Griffey Jr., CF 3. L Gonzalez, LF
4. W Pena, LF 4. T Clark, 1B
5. S Casey, 1B 5. T Glaus, 3B
6. A Kearns, RF 6. S Green, RF
7. J LaRue, C 7. L Terrero, CF
8. E Encarnacion, 3B 8. C Snyder, C
9. E Milton, P 9. B Halsey, P

Game Time: 1:15 p.m. ET
Radio: WLW 700

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 12:28 PM
Reds will win, 7-4.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 12:35 PM
I'm glad to see Junior in there today.

It'd be interesting if someone could find his numbers in Sunday home games this season. Seems like he goes deep everytime.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2005, 12:39 PM
If Adam Dunn has to sit against every lefty, then why doesn't Sean Casey(.789 OPS vs RHP) sit against righthanders?

I hope they don't bring back Narron. Bring in a guy that will play Dunn everyday.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 12:44 PM
I think Dunn sitting is more a product of him struggling pretty bad and he hasn't had a day off in a while. With tomorrow being an off day, they probably just want to get him two days in a row. And with the way Wily Mo punishes lefties, why wouldn't this be a good day to get Dunn a rest and Wily Mo some at-bats?

creek14
08-21-2005, 12:45 PM
If Adam Dunn has to sit against every lefty, then why doesn't Sean Casey(.789 OPS vs RHP) sit against righthanders?

I hope they don't bring back Narron. Bring in a guy that will play Dunn everyday.
Dunn looked lost at the plate last night. Lost.

RedsIn07
08-21-2005, 12:48 PM
I'm glad to see Junior in there today.

It'd be interesting if someone could find his numbers in Sunday home games this season. Seems like he goes deep everytime.
Griffey Sunday Home Games:

G AB R H 2B HR RBI BB AVG
9 28 10 11 3 5 12 7 .357

westofyou
08-21-2005, 12:51 PM
Dunn looked lost at the plate last night. Lost.

Yep, the guy will get a blow now and then, his career numbers in August are below his norm and September has historically been unkind to him. Perhaps some rest will stretch him out further is the hope.

pedro
08-21-2005, 12:52 PM
according to espn.com Adam dunn has appeared in 122 games this year.

The Reds have played 123. So even when he doesn't start he usually gets a PH appearance.

After doing a quick scan of his game log, it looks like he hasn't been in the starting lineup 6 times all year. That's not a lot.

creek14
08-21-2005, 12:55 PM
Yep, the guy will get a blow now and then, his career numbers in August are below his norm and September has historically been unkind to him. Perhaps some rest will stretch him out further is the hope.
He had the one decent AB - the BB.

To his credit, he did go back and talk to Chambliss after every AB.

I don't have a problem with him sitting today. Plus he went into the wall pretty hard the other day so might be a little dinged up.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2005, 01:04 PM
Here's my thing with giving guys days off...I'm fine with it, everybody needs it.

I don't think you should do it AT HOME....at least give the fans, especially the fans of a non-contending ballclub, something to watch

westofyou
08-21-2005, 01:09 PM
I don't think you should do it AT HOME....at least give the fans, especially the fans of a non-contending ballclub, something to watch

That's 1/2 the games in a season.

Barring working matchups, possible fatigue, injuries and any other sort of life changing situations seems to be an impossible task.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 01:10 PM
Reds will win, 7-4.

Funny, I looked at the starters and thought: "7-4 D-Backs."

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:11 PM
Narron: "Last year Dunn fouled a ball of his leg so Im giving the day off for some well deserved rest"

;)

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:20 PM
Counsell doubles.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:21 PM
Clayton grounds out, Counsell to 3rd. 1 out.

SteelSD
08-21-2005, 01:21 PM
Counsell doubles.

And speaking of things that suck. Juan Pierre is on my fantasy baseball team. Has anyone actually LOOKED at the steaming pile Juan Pierre represents this season???

I hate him.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:23 PM
Gonzalez walks.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:25 PM
1. Who is this Tony Clark guy and why does he have so few ABs?

2. Man is he old to be putting up a season like this.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:26 PM
Clark lines out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Big Klu
08-21-2005, 01:26 PM
And speaking of things that suck. Juan Pierre is on my fantasy baseball team. Has anyone actually LOOKED at the steaming pile Juan Pierre represents this season???

I hate him.


Evidently you haven't. Why in the name of all that is decent would you have Juan Pierre on your fantasy team? And the follow-up question--why haven't you dropped him long before now?

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:28 PM
Does it seem like Milton couldnt hit the ground if he was aiming for it right now to anyone else?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:29 PM
Glaus strikes out. 3 outs.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 01:30 PM
Thanks for the stats on Junior, RedsIn07!

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:32 PM
Lopez grounds out. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 01:33 PM
Is it me or has Felipe lost all patience at the plate. One or two pitches is all it takes for him to hack.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:33 PM
Aurilia doubles.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 01:34 PM
Aurilia on fire.

Surely, someone would like to have him. Or was it his mouth that kept him from being dealt??

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Griffey flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:36 PM
Pena grounds out. 3 outs.

No score after 1 inning.

NDRed
08-21-2005, 01:37 PM
Did I read somewhere that Aurillia cleared waivers?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:39 PM
Green strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Terrero grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Snyder flies out. 3 outs.

1-2-3 inning for Milton.

pedro
08-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Counsell doubles.

And speaking of things that suck. Juan Pierre is on my fantasy baseball team. Has anyone actually LOOKED at the steaming pile Juan Pierre represents this season???

I hate him.

he who shall not be named wanted to trade dunn for pierre straight up.

ha.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Counsell doubles.

And speaking of things that suck. Juan Pierre is on my fantasy baseball team. Has anyone actually LOOKED at the steaming pile Juan Pierre represents this season???

I hate him.

Pierre was just caught stealing second by Jason Phillips... :laugh:

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Casey singles.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Snyder flies out. 3 outs.

1-2-3 inning for Milton.

A 7 pitch one, no less.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Kearns grounds into a double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Larue grounds out. 3 outs.

No score after 2 innings.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Irony abounds, Kearns grounds into a Casey, with Casey on first.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Halsey has thrown 16 pitches in 2 innings...

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Halsey has thrown 16 pitches in 2 innings...

Go up hacking and lousy pitchers go 8 or 9 innings.

What's with all this impatience? Even Dunn was up there hacking last night.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:50 PM
Halsey grounds out. 1 out.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:50 PM
Even with a CGSO today, Milton's ERA would be over 6.00

Oddly enough, that does not sound that bad. :bang:

SteelSD
08-21-2005, 01:51 PM
Evidently you haven't. Why in the name of all that is decent would you have Juan Pierre on your fantasy team? And the follow-up question--why haven't you dropped him long before now?

Eh, got caught in a bad spot actually. Mike Cameron was my starting CF and couldn't play at the beginning of the season. Jeremy Reed was my backup and started off horribly. I dealt for Pierre after his slow start figuring that he'd self-correct and that I could deal him for more than what I gave up when Cameron got healthy. He hasn't, Reed hasn't developed, injuries to other OF meant that I had to use Cameron in RF, and Cameron can't really help me right now at any position.

My OF situation started out bad and it's now to the point that my starters are Jonny Gomes (good), Juan Pierre (bad), and Carl Everett (not as bad as Pierre). And unless Brad Hawpe suddenly starts playing CF when he comes off the DL, I'm pretty much screwed in CF.

Then throw in the fact that I'm in a 2-team sabermetric league with 30-man rosters and smart owners and I really can't do much of anything right now other than hope for a hot finish to the season from Pierre. If he stinks for another couple days, I'm benching him and starting Chip Ambres.

How I'm challenging for the title is beyond me.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:52 PM
Counsell flies out. 2 outs.

Clayton flies out. 3 outs.

1-2-3 inning for Milton.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 01:52 PM
A 9 pitch inning for Milton. He hasn't really settled down, the DBacks have just gotten more impatient. Here is hoping that today turns out better than yesterday.

SteelSD
08-21-2005, 01:54 PM
Pierre was just caught stealing second by Jason Phillips... :laugh:

Aw man...sportsline has that recorded as a SB. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

SB are +3 Pts. CS are -6.

Welcome to my starting lineup Mr. Chip Ambres.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Encarnacion strikes out. 1 out.

RosieRed
08-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Encarnacion strikes out. 1 out.

On a 9-pitch AB.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:57 PM
Milton grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:57 PM
On a 9-pitch AB.

To bad everyone else will probably continue hacking.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 01:58 PM
Lopez flies out. 3 outs.

No score after 3 innings.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 01:59 PM
Is it me or has Felipe lost all patience at the plate. One or two pitches is all it takes for him to hack.

Batting RH he tends to be more of a hacker than a waiter, has less bat control too.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:01 PM
Gonzalez flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:03 PM
Clark doubles.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:05 PM
Glaus with an infield single.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 02:07 PM
Glaus with an infield single.

Steve indicates that was a play Casey should have made. Anyone with TV have an opinion?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Green grounds into a force out at 2nd, Clark to 3rd. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Terrero grounds out. 3 outs.

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:13 PM
the az announcers are talkng about Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper. Did they play in Cincinnati last night?

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:13 PM
I can't figure out if the DBacks offense is this bad, or Milton is pitching his way out of jams.

RosieRed
08-21-2005, 02:15 PM
the az announcers are talkng about Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper. Did they play in Cincinnati last night?

Yep, they did.

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:15 PM
Yep, they did.

where?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:16 PM
Aurilia walks.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:17 PM
Griffey singles.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:18 PM
Griffey must sting the ball for him to hit a GB right into the shift, and still get a single.

RosieRed
08-21-2005, 02:19 PM
where?

US Bank Arena

It was the first date of the tour, IIRC.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:19 PM
Pena Homers!!!!!!!!!

3-0 Reds!

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:20 PM
Wow, that was deep.

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 02:20 PM
WMP 3 run bomb. 3-0 Reds. :thumbup: :party: :rockband:

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:20 PM
Casey singles.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Halseys pitch count is starting to rise alot.

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 02:21 PM
How far did WMP hit the ball?

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:21 PM
The AZ annnouncers are saying that the Reds shoudl keep Griffey because they are on the cups of being pretty good. Nice to hear some announcers not just trashing the Reds.

Now they just said "batting average is overrated. Run production is what it's all about"

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:22 PM
How far did WMP hit the ball?

according to the AZ announcers off the glass in the restaurnt in left field.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:22 PM
Kearns doubles, Casey to 3rd.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2005, 02:22 PM
All of a sudden, Kearns has found his stroke

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:23 PM
according to the AZ announcers off the glass in the restaurnt in left field.

The batters' eye in center?

Puffy
08-21-2005, 02:23 PM
The AZ annnouncers are saying that the Reds should keep Griffey because they are on the cusp of being pretty good. Nice to hear some announcers not just trashing the Reds.

Now they just said "batting average is overrated. Run production is what it's all about"

:clap:

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:24 PM
They're calling Halsey the "Admiral"

admiral halsey notified me
he had to have a berth or he couldn't get to sea
i had another look & i had a cup of tea
and a butter pie
the butter wouldn't melt so i put it in the pie

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:25 PM
Larue strikes out. 1 out.

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:25 PM
US Bank Arena

It was the first date of the tour, IIRC.

apparently one of the announcers went.

said Cheap Trick played "my generation" by the who.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:25 PM
Poor Mr. Halsey started so well.
Now he has met his match
and his ERA's gone to uh, an unpleasant destination.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Encarnacion Homers!

6-0 Reds!

RosieRed
08-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Encarnacion Homers!

6-0 Reds!

:beerme:

Matt700wlw
08-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Edwin goes yard!

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Wow, EdE. Ok, did someone say they wanted Randa back?

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:27 PM
The batters' eye in center?

no, I think the engine room restaurant above the section of seats in left.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2005/04/04/ballpark.jpg

is that right? I've never been there.

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 02:28 PM
EE with a 3 run bomb. 6-0 Reds. :eek: :thumbup: :party: :rockband:

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Milton flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Lopez homers!

7-0 Reds!

RosieRed
08-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Lopez HR! Wow, homers all around today.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Wow. Arizona gives up alot of huge innings!

Matt700wlw
08-21-2005, 02:30 PM
:)

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:31 PM
no, I think the engine room restaurant above the section of seats in left.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2005/04/04/ballpark.jpg

is that right? I've never been there.

The batters' eye is a party room with blackout glass on the front of it in centerfield. In your link it is the building with the Budweiser sign on it, and that would match Gameday's plotting of the homerun.

The only restaurants i know of at the GAB other than concession stands are the Machine room in left foul seats, and club 4192 in the right foul seats.

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 02:31 PM
Lopez Homerun.

BCubb2003
08-21-2005, 02:31 PM
no, I think the engine room restaurant above the section of seats in left.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2005/04/04/ballpark.jpg

is that right? I've never been there.

Wily Mo's homer was off the batter's eye.

KronoRed
08-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Why can't we be in the west and see these guys 20 times? :D

pedro
08-21-2005, 02:32 PM
The batters' eye is a party room with blackout glass on the front of it in centerfield. In your link it is the building with the Budweiser sign on it, and that would match Gameday's plotting of the homerun.

The only restaurants i know of at the GAB other than concession stands are the Machine room in left foul seats, and club 4192 in the right foul seats.

wow, that's a bomb. thanks

nice to see Lopez get a homer RH.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:33 PM
Aurilia flies out. 3 outs.

7-0 Reds after 4 innings.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Snyder flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:36 PM
McCracken to bat for Halsey.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:39 PM
McCracken strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:41 PM
Counsell singles.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:41 PM
Clayton grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:44 PM
Medders into pitch the 5th for the Diamondbacks.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:46 PM
Funny, I looked at the starters and thought: "7-4 D-Backs."

For being in the midwest, the air sure is rather salty right now. :evil:

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:46 PM
Griffey singles.

smith288
08-21-2005, 02:47 PM
On the games where the Reds beat up their opposites... They are never on tv

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:49 PM
smith, for as long as your avatar has been doing that raucous little move there, I would expect him to be much thinner by now.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:49 PM
Pena walks.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:51 PM
Danny Graves is pitching in the Mets/Nationals game.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:51 PM
Casey strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:53 PM
Kearns strikes out. 2 outs.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 02:54 PM
Medders must have some filthy stuff.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:54 PM
Larue flies out. 3 outs.

7-0 Reds after 5 innings.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 02:58 PM
Danny Graves is pitching in the Mets/Nationals game.
Noticed he pitched a scoreless inning on 5 pitches. His ERA is now below 7...

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:58 PM
Gonzalez walks.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 02:59 PM
Clark doubles, Gonzalez to 3rd.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:00 PM
Noticed he pitched a scoreless inning on 5 pitches. His ERA is now below 7...

He pitched a scoreless inning with his team down by 7 runs at the time.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Glaus with a sac fly. 1 out.

7-1 Reds

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:02 PM
Green grounds out, Clark to 3rd. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:04 PM
Detriot is up 15-0 over Tornoto in the 6th inning.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:04 PM
Terrero singles, 1 run scores. Terrero goes to 2nd on throwing error.

7-2 Reds.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:07 PM
Snyder strikes out. 3 outs.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:09 PM
The double by Clark was a ball that Wily Mo absolutely butchered.

For those who want Junior removed from centerfield, do you really want this man in center?

Junior is getting better and better in the outfield. I think some exaggerate how slow he is. Sure, he's not what he was 10 years ago, but who is? Wily Mo may be faster and may be able to get to a few balls that Junior doesn't, but what good is it for your centerfielder to get to a ball only to procede to botch the play?

Austin Kearns doesn't exactly have world-class speed so I'm not sure he would have much more range than Griffey. Dunn's certainly not going to play there.

Griffey is not the bad defensive player that alot of Redszoners make him out to be. I'd take him in center everyday of the week over Wily Mo on an everyday basis and twice on Sundays.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:10 PM
Encarnacion flies out. 1 out.

Cruz pinch hitting for Milton.

captainmorgan07
08-21-2005, 03:10 PM
in my opinion griff is the best defensive outfielder on the team and i've seen willy mo butcher fly balls he needs some more practice on his fly ball skills

RBA
08-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Graves pitched a scoreless seveth giving up one single.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Cruz singles.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 03:14 PM
in my opinion griff is the best defensive outfielder on the team and i've seen willy mo butcher fly balls he needs some more practice on his fly ball skills

Marty questioned his work ethic and I agree. He simply gets no better and really hasn't improved much since he's been here. So, is he dedicated to getting better? Griffey is our best outfielder and a lot of the criticism comes from what a lot of fans think of the money he makes. And his injuries. Griffey is not what he was ten years ago, but I'm not either. He is, at 35, still good and delete him from the lineup and you would feel the difference.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:15 PM
Lopez singles, Cruz to 2nd.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:17 PM
Aurilia flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:19 PM
Griffey flies out. 3 outs.

7-2 Reds after 6 innings.

smith288
08-21-2005, 03:21 PM
smith, for as long as your avatar has been doing that raucous little move there, I would expect him to be much thinner by now. He drinks and eats alot when you arent looking

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:21 PM
Pena needs everyday playing time to improve and hes not going to get that here.
The Reds front office would rather have him rot on the bench then trade him and now both Kearns and Pena get screwed for playing time. Hopefully they will come to there senses and trade one of the outfielders, but we all know its probably not going to happen.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:22 PM
Shackelford to pitch the 7th.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:22 PM
I think Marty was absolutely correct in questioning Wily Mo's work ethic. Since the day he came up to the big club in 2002 he has been an awful outfielder. Here we are three years later and he hasn't improved one iota. Outfield play is something you can improve with hard work and practice and it appears Wily Mo is not willing to put that work in.

When he was on the DL earlier in the year, many questioned his desire to play because of the fact he was out of action for alot longer than most thought he should be.

If and when Wily Mo decides to dedicate himself completely to making himself the best player he can possibly be....look out. But right now, he doesn't give any indication that he wants to do that.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:23 PM
Jackson walks.

Cedric
08-21-2005, 03:23 PM
Pena isn't good enough to play RF, he's not comftorable there and it's considered by some the hardest outfield position to play. He looked damn good in CF last year and that is his natural position.

SteelSD
08-21-2005, 03:23 PM
I question Marty's work ethic.

It's flat out lazy for a professional announcer to play the "work ethic" card pretty much any time something goes wrong.

He's done it constantly. It's played out drivel spewn from a man who hasn't put much thought into anything he's said all season long. The worst part is that it's enabled by a Front Office that honestly positions "try harder" as a real solution to a problem that can only be solved by getting better pitchers.

Cedric
08-21-2005, 03:24 PM
I actually agree on this one about Marty. All the front office types and Barry Larkin said Wily Mo had the best work ethic on the team. Now because he struggles at an unnatural position he doesn't work hard? Bogus, and the sad thing is people already agree that's the problem without anything but wild speculation.

Redsfan30- No offense but you aren't correct. There are certain things that are natural and can't be taught. Automatically assuming it's work ethic is just wrong. I guess Albert Pujols didn't work hard when he was in the outfield? Because he was just as bad as Wily Mo.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:24 PM
Counsell singles, Jackson to 2nd.

pedro
08-21-2005, 03:25 PM
The double by Clark was a ball that Wily Mo absolutely butchered.

For those who want Junior removed from centerfield, do you really want this man in center?

Junior is getting better and better in the outfield. I think some exaggerate how slow he is. Sure, he's not what he was 10 years ago, but who is? Wily Mo may be faster and may be able to get to a few balls that Junior doesn't, but what good is it for your centerfielder to get to a ball only to procede to botch the play?

Austin Kearns doesn't exactly have world-class speed so I'm not sure he would have much more range than Griffey. Dunn's certainly not going to play there.

Griffey is not the bad defensive player that alot of Redszoners make him out to be. I'd take him in center everyday of the week over Wily Mo on an everyday basis and twice on Sundays.

Griffey is not a bad defensive outfielder but he does not have the speed to play center effectively anyore. And being 35 years old, that isn't likely to change.

WMP should be playing DH in the AL. That's how good an outfielder he is.

I'm not sure Kearns could play CF any better than KG, as such I think the Reds best option is to dump Casey, move Dunn to first, KG to LF, and either give Denofrio a chance in CF next year (although I'm really not sure how good he is out there either) or go outside the org to get someone who can really play CF.

I hear a lot on RZ about how KG is still a GG if CF. That's simply not true.

According to BP, the Reds have one of the 3 worst fielding teams of the last 30 years. They do not, however, have that many errors. What's left is poor range. KG in CF is a big part of that.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:26 PM
Outfield play is something you can improve with hard work and practice

Joe Adcock, Frank Howard and countless others would say otherwise.

Cedric
08-21-2005, 03:27 PM
Joe Adcock, Frank Howard and countless others would say otherwise.

I went the more present route, but you used better examples.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 03:27 PM
It's obvious we're going to need more runs. Shackelford is doing his best imitation of a Reds reliever. Hittable and wild. SteelSD is correct. All of the rest of the variables make no difference until you get some pitching.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:29 PM
Clayton strikes out. 1 out.

Betterread
08-21-2005, 03:29 PM
I think Marty was absolutely correct in questioning Wily Mo's work ethic. Since the day he came up to the big club in 2002 he has been an awful outfielder. Here we are three years later and he hasn't improved one iota. Outfield play is something you can improve with hard work and practice and it appears Wily Mo is not willing to put that work in.

When he was on the DL earlier in the year, many questioned his desire to play because of the fact he was out of action for alot longer than most thought he should be.

If and when Wily Mo decides to dedicate himself completely to making himself the best player he can possibly be....look out. But right now, he doesn't give any indication that he wants to do that.

You and Marty are dramatically mistaken. Since Marty should be in a position to know how hard Wily Mo works at baseball, I would even say he is out of line and is close to slandering Wily Mo. Wily Mo has one of the most postive outlooks on the game that I have witnessed. He is a real throwback player, who will spend any amount of time necessary to improve his game. Which he has displayed. However, at the professional level, hard work does not always translate into success. Witness Adam Dunn's outfield play, for an immediate example.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:30 PM
How has Wily Mo improved in the outfield? And I don't care if it's not his natural position becuase it hasn't mattered where you put him, he flat out stinks in the outfield.

I imagine if Wily Mo was putting in consitant work with the coaching staff in the outfield, we would have heard about it by now.

Again, outfield play is something you can improve upon if you just work at it. Considering he hasn't gotten any better defensively since he came up in 2002, that leads me to believe he's not putting in enough work to get better.

pedro
08-21-2005, 03:30 PM
It's time for marty to retire. Half the time when I listen to him, I wouldn't even know there was a game going on if I didn't know what I was listening to.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:30 PM
Gonzalez hit by pitch, bases loaded.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:31 PM
I went the more present route, but you used better examples.

The Reds had Joe Adcock in the early 50's he was a first baseman and they also had Klu. So thet slid Adcock into the LF slot and the defense suffered greatly because of it. It was a league wide joke, everyone was in on it.

Eventualy they flipped him because he couldn't learn to play OF.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:32 PM
Clark singles, 2 runs score.

7-4 Reds.

Narron finally pulls Shackelford.

pedro
08-21-2005, 03:33 PM
How has Wily Mo improved in the outfield? And I don't care if it's not his natural position becuase it hasn't mattered where you put him, he flat out stinks in the outfield.

I imagine if Wily Mo was putting in consitant work with the coaching staff in the outfield, we would have heard about it by now.

Again, outfield play is something you can improve upon if you just work at it. Considering he hasn't gotten any better defensively since he came up in 2002, that leads me to believe he's not putting in enough work to get better.

Just because someone doesn't improve at something does not mean that they aren't trying. Some players just aren't good at judging the ball off the bat.

A lot of folks have a ton of posts on RZ without any noticable improvement. I guess they're slackers too. ;)

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:34 PM
Belisle into pitch.

Betterread
08-21-2005, 03:36 PM
I'm not disagreeing that he misplayed that ball. I'm not disagreeing that WMP can improve, and improve a great deal in RF. I am taking umbrage with the "moral" nature of the criticism that Marty took. If you think about why mistakes are made (in baseball, or anywhere else) and you come up with "I/he/she just didn't try hard enough", you are usually taking the analytical easy way out and you are blaming someone's moral fibre. So it is a lazy analysis and it is offensive. So it bothers me.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:36 PM
Glaus strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:37 PM
Belisle pulled, Mercker coming into pitch.

DoogMinAmo
08-21-2005, 03:38 PM
Belisle had not pitched since the 17th, I don't like pulling him for Merker, who pitched yesterday.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:39 PM
He is a real throwback player, who will spend any amount of time necessary to improve his game.
Offensively, I'd say that's exactly right. He's improved so much offensively that it's not funny. But defense his a whole different story.


However, at the professional level, hard work does not always translate into success.
But it does lead to improvement. Wily Mo, no matter how much he works will never be a Gold Glove outfielder. But he could turn into a servicable one.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:40 PM
Green grounds out. 3 outs.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:40 PM
So it is a lazy analysis

It's the same impulse that spends time hand wringing over whether the team keeps its popular vets or not.

It's Reds Purgatory.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 03:42 PM
To be fair to Marty (which is obviously something that a lot of folks have no intention of ever doing), he wasn't trashing Mo. He simply was musing about the fact that he hasn't improved and that he should have had the ball. He then questioned whether or not he had the desire to get better. There's nothing immoral about that. Examples are everywhere.

If Steve (my idol) Stewart had said the same thing, I doubt it would have erupted into this discussion so I wish I hadn't even mentioned it. Whether you like Marty or not, WMP is not a good defensive outfielder and probably will never be. Case closed. To say that he is good and is improving when he's not would be pandering to your favorite club. Marty and any good journalist would be in contempt if they did.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Redsfan30- No offense but you aren't correct. There are certain things that are natural and can't be taught. Automatically assuming it's work ethic is just wrong. I guess Albert Pujols didn't work hard when he was in the outfield? Because he was just as bad as Wily Mo.
I disagree. Improving your outfield play is possible. Maybe I shouldn't have questioned his work ethic, but will not concede that he can get better in the outfield if he works alittle harder at it.

pedro
08-21-2005, 03:44 PM
Offensively, I'd say that's exactly right. He's improved so much offensively that it's not funny. But defense his a whole different story.


But it does lead to improvement. Wily Mo, no matter how much he works will never be a Gold Glove outfielder. But he could turn into a servicable one.

You just can't say that for certain. A big part of OF play is depth perception which is a function of a persons eyesight. Perhaps WMP doesn't have the depth perception to be a good OF and if he doesn't no amount of practice is going to change that.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:45 PM
Pena walks.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 03:46 PM
I'll give you a hint why WMP hasn't improved much in the OF:

4 outfield starters; three positions.

Case freakin' closed.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:48 PM
I'll give you a hint why WMP hasn't improved much in the OF:

4 outfield starters; three positions.

Case freakin' closed.

Major League Contract early on.

redsfan30
08-21-2005, 03:48 PM
You just can't say that for certain. A big part of OF play is depth perception which is a function of a persons eyesight. Perhaps WMP doesn't have the depth perception to be a good OF and if he doesn't no amount of practice is going to change that.
He seems to get a good jump on balls. He gets there, but often can't finish the play. On grounders hit at him with runners on base, I've seen him on more than one occasion let that ball get right on by him and go to the wall.

Those are things that can be fixed, but so far haven't been.

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 03:48 PM
Exactly how long does it take for someone to learn how to field routine balls??? The only thing Pena seems to be worry'd about is hitting the ball over the fence. The sad thing is, he has only learned how to hit fastballs and mistakes over. The excuses for this man is running very low. At Pena's age, Dunn wasn't this bad, nor was Kearns.. Put him in the AL and prey they don't figure him out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:48 PM
I'll give you a hint why WMP hasn't improved much in the OF:

4 outfield starters; three positions.

Case freakin' closed.

Now only if the Reds front office knew they had a outfield log jam they could try and fix it....

:devil:

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Exactly how long does it take for someone to learn how to field routine balls???

That's a question for Lonnie Smith, Wally Post or Alex Johnson.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Major League Contract early on.

Sure, you can add that to the list. But that reason doesn't trump the one I listed. The Reds have known their outfield is crowded for over a year. They've done nothing about it. Shame on them.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Pena can practice fielding all he wants, but we will never see improvements when he plays about once a week.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Pena picked off. 1 out.

pedro
08-21-2005, 03:51 PM
He seems to get a good jump on balls. He gets there, but often can't finish the play. On grounders hit at him with runners on base, I've seen him on more than one occasion let that ball get right on by him and go to the wall.

Those are things that can be fixed, but so far haven't been.

I disagree. He doesn't take direct routes to the ball. He has the speed to make up for it lots of times but he does not judge the ball well off teh bat.

Griffey OTOH, is all judgement at this point. he always gets a good jump and takes a direct route to the ball. Sadly he often doesn't have teh speed to get there anymore.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Casey singles.

WVRedsFan
08-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Pena picked off first.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Pena picked off. 1 out.

I bet Marty loved that.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Sure, you can add that to the list. But that reason doesn't trump the one I listed. The Reds have known their outfield is crowded for over a year. They've done nothing about it. Shame on them.

Shame on Pena for that lapse

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Kearns Homers!

9-4 Reds!

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Hmmmm.... Mr. Kearns... Home-Run.. and he can field. :D

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Ak with a 2 run home run. :thumbup: :party: :clap: :rockband:

Betterread
08-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Now only if the Reds front office knew they had a outfield log jam they could try and fix it....


Count me as a fan that is glad the Reds FO is waiting for the right offer for the right player. I am not as sure as some people who the guy to trade is. Dunn and Pena should be untouchable, but when you have the sustained lack of success the Reds have - no one should be untouchable. The Reds need a bona-fide ace and another solid starter, so starting pitching is a need. OF is a position of trading strength, so our FO should seek the proper opportunity to trade from strength for weakness. Their jobs should depend on this.
Alright Austin. He is pretty hot right now.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Diamondbacks manager tossed from the game.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:54 PM
First pitch has been Kearns bread and butter this year in 45 AB's

.341/.356/.659/1.015

He now has 3 less RBI than Casey

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Count me as a fan that is glad the Reds FO is waiting for the right offer for the right player.

This philosophy brought to you by: The 2000-2005 Cincinnati Reds.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Dunn and Pena should be untouchable

I'd trade WMP, he's not untouchable in my worldview.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Larue grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:56 PM
Count me as a fan that is glad the Reds FO is waiting for the right offer for the right player. I am not as sure as some people who the guy to trade is. Dunn and Pena should be untouchable, but when you have the sustained lack of success the Reds have - no one should be untouchable. The Reds need a bona-fide ace and another solid starter, so starting pitching is a need. OF is a position of trading strength, so our FO should seek the proper opportunity to trade from strength for weakness. Their jobs should depend on this.

They havent traded because they are to afraid of getting burned.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 03:56 PM
First pitch has been Kearns bread and butter this year in 45 AB's

.341/.356/.659/1.015

He now has 3 less RBI than Casey

Kearns has got to be digging these hot August day games against dogcrap pitching.

GullyFoyle
08-21-2005, 03:56 PM
Was a manager ejected?

OSURedLeg
08-21-2005, 03:56 PM
Diamondbacks manager tossed from the game.

What'd he do to get ejected???

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:57 PM
Encarnacion grounds out. 3 outs.

9-4 Reds after 7 innings.

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 03:57 PM
I'd trade WMP, he's not untouchable in my worldview.

AMEN.. What in the world maked WMP untouchable???

lollipopcurve
08-21-2005, 03:57 PM
A big part of OF play is depth perception which is a function of a persons eyesight.

It's a hard thing to quantify. People have an innate "radar" that determines how well they can track a fly ball. It involves recognizing the trajectory of the ball (which also involves reading the ball off the bat -- is it solid contact or not?) and it is also dependent on how well the person can make adjustments while running for the ball (to fine tune his route to the ball). I don't think you can teach someone who is below average in these areas (as I think Wily Mo may be, compared to most big-league outfielders) to be above average. My guess is that instruction of a guy like Wily Mo will be on minimizing errors and on recognizing situations when he should take a risk and when he shouldn't. I don't know about the play in question in this game, but I think Brennaman takes every chance he can get to blast Wily Mo for defensive lapses. I think it's unfair to the kid.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 03:58 PM
What'd he do to get ejected???

Argued Kearns homerun and got in the Umps face.

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 03:59 PM
WOY for president!!!

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:00 PM
It's a hard thing to quantify. People have an innate "radar" that determines how well they can track a fly ball. It involves recognizing the trajectory of the ball (which also involves reading the ball off the bat -- is it solid contact or not?) and it is also dependent on how well the person can make adjustments while running for the ball (to fine tune his route to the ball). I don't think you can teach someone who is below average in these areas (as I think Wily Mo may be, compared to most big-league outfielders) to be above average. My guess is that instruction of a guy like Wily Mo will be on minimizing errors and on recognizing situations when he should take a risk and when he shouldn't. I don't know about the play in question in this game, but I think Brennaman takes every chance he can get to blast Wily Mo for defensive lapses. I think it's unfair to the kid.

Fielding Errors are the only aspect of the game that is judged by forces outside the diamond who decide whether or not a player couuld make a play or not.

It's the hardest thing to quantify from the stands or the pressbox.

pedro
08-21-2005, 04:01 PM
WOY for president!!!

I'll pass ;)

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Terrero walks.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:02 PM
I'll pass ;)

Bring me beer today and I'll let you slide.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Terrero walks.

Good lord, this pitching.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Snyder pops out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Cintron homers.

9-6 Reds.

Betterread
08-21-2005, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=Falls City Beer]This philosophy brought to you by: The 2000-2005 Cincinnati Reds.[/QUOT

I would argue that the Reds' FO philosophy is more like a Nietzschean perspectivism - the idea that people see the world from a partial and narrow perspective, based on our interests and values. It has been argued this led Nietzsche to a denial of the existence of truth. Some would say the Reds organization subscribes to a similiar perception, unconsciously of course.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:06 PM
Counsell grounds out. 2 outs.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:07 PM
The Reds role model for todays game

http://www.byte.org/images/hofferman05_tortoise_26Hare.jpg

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:08 PM
Clayton grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:11 PM
Olmedo pinch hitting for Mercker.

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2005, 04:12 PM
Clayton grounds out. 3 outs.

On a remarkable play by Aurillia. Even though the batter appeared safe.

I can't believe that some contender can't use a close to .800 OPS MI, who actually plays a passable secondbase.

cincy_reds26
08-21-2005, 04:12 PM
If you ask me (yes I know , nobody did) I think he works hard to improve his play. Ok im a Wily Mo fan I think that he can be great I don't think that he is going to be a gold glove OF but I do think that he will get to the point if he gets to play everyday ,that most of Reds fans won't have to worry when the ball goes to where ever he is playing. Most people in the media (radio & tv) don't like Mo that much Chris Welsh hates him I've never heard him say one thing nice about the kid he talks about young talent and he says nothing about Mo. Marty does say nice things about Mo I think that he didn't think before he spoke because I remember Marty saying something about Mo last year and how he works on his fielding. I love Marty i love how blunt he is maybe its because im young and I know nothing differnt from Marty I don't know.

My first post I couldn't take the hate for my friend Wily any more.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:12 PM
Olmedo lines out. 1 out.

Betterread
08-21-2005, 04:12 PM
AMEN.. What in the world maked WMP untouchable???

Because he is a tremendous athlete with special potential, which is highly prized by most professional baseball teams.
That's why there was a bidding war to sign him and he has shown solid incremental development toward fulfilling that potential. That is reason enough for me.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 04:13 PM
[QUOTE=Falls City Beer]This philosophy brought to you by: The 2000-2005 Cincinnati Reds.[/QUOT

I would argue that the Reds' FO philosophy is more like a Nietzschean perspectivism - the idea that people see the world from a partial and narrow perspective, based on our interests and values. It has been argued this led Nietzsche to a denial of the existence of truth. Some would say the Reds organization subscribes to a similiar perception, unconsciously of course.

No, no. Clearly the Reds FO is guided by Wittgensteinian word-play; DanO's child-like, meaningless prattle is simply a game, wherein no reality exists beyond the utterance.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:13 PM
Lopez singles.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:14 PM
Aurilia singles.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:14 PM
I can't believe that some contender can't use a close to .800 OPS MI, who actually plays a passable secondbase.

Maybe they don't have an extra locker for his ego?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:15 PM
Maybe they don't have an extra locker for his ego?

:laugh:

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:17 PM
Griffey strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:20 PM
Pena Homers!

12-6 Reds!

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 04:20 PM
Ok.ok.. Hopefully one day, WMP will be great. I just wish he was more of a all-around player then what he is. There are just WAY too many holes in his game right now. I do believe his plate discipline will improve, though I can't be positive on that one either,,. its just sad that I can't say the same for his OF performance. If the man can't catch simple balls, though, at this stage (or at ANY stage past 14) you gotta start questioning his ability. Like I said, put the man in AL.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 04:21 PM
Hot August day games turn every frog into a prince.

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 04:21 PM
WMP with his second homerun today.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:22 PM
Hot August day games turn every frog into a prince.

Pucker up AL GM's

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:23 PM
Casey Homers!

13-6 Reds!

Falls City Beer
08-21-2005, 04:24 PM
Casey Homers!

13-6 Reds!

Like I said. I suspect you could use Casey's home run totals as a barometer and thermometer all in one. Any meteorologists on the board?

Instead of asking how hot it is outside, you can ask: did Casey homer?

Gallen5862
08-21-2005, 04:24 PM
Casey with a homerun. :thumbup: :party: :rockband:

redsfanmia
08-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Wily Mo is starting to get hot shouldnt Narron sit him now for a few games to cool him down?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Kearns strikes out. 3 outs.

13-6 Reds after 8 innings.

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Casey hits a Dunn.

Casey hasn't hit many Casey's since his power returned.

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Man.. I'll tell you what... If it wasn't for offence this year, our average starting pitching would be something like 0-16. Out of curiosity, what place are the Reds in as Most Runs Scored this year??

BrooklynRedz
08-21-2005, 04:27 PM
WMP will be fine. Just pencil him into CF and watch him grow. His troubles in the OF primarily come when he's in RF. Because of the slice off the bat of right-handed hitters, it takes either experience of feel to properly judge the trajectory. Unfortunately, WMP has neither. Not to say he never will. Sosa was just one of many terrible young right-fielders and he matured into a tolerable fielder. In CF, WMP seems to have much more success judging the ball off the bat. Problem is, WMP is young and getting very little experience sitting the pine.

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Reds on pace for 342 2b's, 224 Hr's 582 EBH and 842 Runs



DOUBLES YEAR 2B
1 Reds 1999 312
2 Reds 2001 304
3 Reds 2000 302
4 Reds 1998 298
5 Reds 2002 297
6 Reds 2004 287
7 Reds 1990 284
T8 Reds 1992 281
T8 Reds 1968 281
10 Reds 1975 278

EXTRA BASE HITS YEAR EBH
1 Reds 1999 558
2 Reds 2000 538
3 Reds 1965 512
4 Reds 2004 509
5 Reds 2001 502
6 Reds 1977 492
7 Reds 1970 489
8 Reds 2002 487
9 Reds 1996 486
10 Reds 1987 483

HOMERUNS YEAR HR
1 Reds 1956 221
2 Reds 1999 209
3 Reds 2000 200
4 Reds 2004 194
5 Reds 1987 192
T6 Reds 1970 191
T6 Reds 1996 191
8 Reds 1957 187
9 Reds 1965 183
10 Reds 2003 182

RUNS YEAR R
1 Reds 1999 865
2 Reds 1976 857
3 Reds 1975 840
T4 Reds 2000 825
T4 Reds 1965 825
T6 Reds 1962 802
T6 Reds 1977 802
8 Reds 1969 798
9 Reds 1987 783
10 Reds 1996 778

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Wily Mo is starting to get hot shouldnt Narron sit him now for a few games to cool him down?

Who would you sit down?

Each of Griffey, Casey and Kearns is also red hot. Dunn is the only one who's cold, and you certainly don't sit him.

Look for Pena to get starts against LH pitchers, and when one of the other 4 needs a rest.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Weathers to pitch the 9th.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:28 PM
Gonzalez flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:29 PM
Clark grounds out. 2 outs.

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2005, 04:30 PM
Man.. I'll tell you what... If it wasn't for offence this year, our average starting pitching would be something like 0-16.

Which would make our relievers something like 57-50?

Huh?

CTA513
08-21-2005, 04:30 PM
Glaus grounds out. 3 outs.

Reds win 13-6!

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Which would make our relievers something like 57-50?

Huh?

Ummmmmmmmm... I wasn't speaking litteraly.. I am interested in the runs scored stats

SteelSD
08-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Maybe they don't have an extra locker for his ego?

The Tale of Two Personal Ads:


Veteran Utility Infielder in Need of Home

Submitted by: Dan O'Brien

Veteran Utility Infielder needs place to play. Hopeful of match with contending team. Player can adequately play 2B, SS (for short spurts), and can also stand at 3B. Has playoff experience and is good bat-on-ball kind of player. Cheap contract, but aging a bit so we're not looking to shoot the moon here. All offers considered.


ALL-STAR SHORTSTOP CAN HELP YOU WIN WORLD SERIES!!!

Submitted by: Rich Aurilia

Heady, veteran ALL-STAR and Playoff quality Shortstop looking for the right organization that knows I can help it win World Series this season. Big-time power and sure-handed slick fielder at multiple Infield positions (best at Shortstop). Great in clubhouse. Real baseball leadership skills! Let me show your young guys how to play the game!!! Lied to by current organization and lost starting job only because of fluke injury. My attitude is old-school, hard-nosed, and I want to be on a team that knows (as I do) that it's better off with ME on the field. Don't let this opportunity pass you by as I'm vastly underpaid right now, making it easy for your team to get a TON better while staying within your budget!!! OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME!!!

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Our relieving is Crap... :D

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2005, 04:32 PM
Ummmmmmmmm... I wasn't speaking litteraly.. I am interested in the runs scored stats

You have a computer I believe.....

westofyou
08-21-2005, 04:34 PM
The Tale of Two Personal Ads:

Ken Phelps put it well on friday... "Rich should be glad that he's still in the big leagues, no one wanted him after last year... he's getting up there in his career and needs to recognize it."

Casey_21
08-21-2005, 04:35 PM
Yeah, smart ass, I do... Just making conversation.

reds44
08-21-2005, 04:35 PM
And This One Belongs To The Reds