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cincyinco
08-22-2005, 08:33 PM
http://www.utrave.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6


Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.

So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...

At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.

The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the **** out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.

No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of ****ing TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.

Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..

- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.

- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.

- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the **** out of here right now."



Now.. let's get the facts straight here.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!

Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.

This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?

This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULL****!

The system ****ed up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.

I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.




p.s. - there are more stories of police brutality that i'll post up later. gotta hit the airport soon. can't wait to get the **** out of this **** hole state.

Here are some video clips:

http://fatbaron.com/videos.html

It seems to me that excessive force and police brutality was used to shut down this party. When presented with permits, it was ripped up. People were mauled by K9 units, beaten, tazed, kicked, kneed, etc.

This may not be making national headlines yet, but its sure picking up steam. I encourage everyone to read first hand accounts, and then make their own informed decision, and spread the word!!! This is seriously messed up. You can read the official statements from the police as well, they are easy to find using Google. I just encourage you to not buy into the hype...

if I am not mistaken, this will be talked about on freetalklive.com tonight, a nationally syndicated talk show...

This could happen anywhere to anyone not just ravers, so AMERICA DON'T LET THIS STAND!

Also, there will be more information tomorrow once this site is up:

http://www.versus2.org

cincyinco
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
www.Music-Versus-Guns.org

Is there no one here appalled by the threat to our civil liberties? I figured this would be a big time subject. I guess becuase it relates with electronic culture, no one cares? This is about more than raves, or techno. This is about you freedoms. Visit the website above. Read about it. Speak about it. People need to know.

RBA
08-24-2005, 09:25 PM
I heard about this story, but it sounds far-fetched. I'm waiting for a "legimate" news organization to pick up on it, not just bloggers. There are hoaxes out there and I hope this one is. If this turned out to be true, I'm disgusted and hope those involved in the violation of these people's rights are prosecuted.

cincyinco
08-25-2005, 03:08 PM
If you think this is a hoax, then I urge you to go to:

www.Music-Versus-Guns.org

Click the MEDIA link. There is video from the party, video from the chopper, interviews with security, news reports, etc. 1st hand accounts of what happened, and information on what is being done. Another website is utrave.org.

If this is a hoax, this is one massively orchistrated one. ACLU has been contacted. Here is a link that shows what media coverage is taking place. Surprisingly, this isn't being talked about enough: http://www.music-versus-guns.org/news.html

Thats why I'm trying to make people aware. This needs to get out!

REDREAD
08-25-2005, 03:22 PM
I can't check out the links now, but if that's true, it is truely appalling, and I hope the people responsible do get sued.

LincolnparkRed
08-25-2005, 03:33 PM
I still haven't heard if it was actually army troops or the local swat team getting their jollies busting up ravers?

Cedric
08-25-2005, 03:35 PM
Pretty fun post Cincyinco.

pedro
08-25-2005, 03:45 PM
From what I read it was SWAT teams.

Pretty messed up way to deal with this IMO.

Roy Tucker
08-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Lotsa coverage on this...

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Utah+Rave+&btnG=Search+News

registerthis
08-25-2005, 04:02 PM
Ahh, Utah. :rolleyes:

Cedric
08-25-2005, 04:03 PM
So they will get fined, possibly fired. It's a mistake and a stupid one. What does this have to do with civil liberties? This happens all the time throughout our history and the people that do the unlawful raids get fired.

cincyinco
08-25-2005, 04:41 PM
I still haven't heard if it was actually army troops or the local swat team getting their jollies busting up ravers?

Accounts say there were marked SWAT and even unmarked officers... I have a tendency to believe it was just SWAT. But 90 officers needed to break this thing up?

All that was needed was men in blue, flashing a badge, saying party over.

cincyinco
08-25-2005, 04:43 PM
So they will get fined, possibly fired. It's a mistake and a stupid one. What does this have to do with civil liberties? This happens all the time throughout our history and the people that do the unlawful raids get fired.

I happen to believe this is all about our first amendment rights. Freedom of Speech. Right to peacably assemble. That kind of thing. I've been fighting against the RAVE act since it was introduced. This goes hand in hand with this unconstitutional law that was passed without so much as a vote by house/congress.

pedro
08-25-2005, 04:48 PM
I have serious doubts anyone will get fired over this.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 04:50 PM
I have serious doubts anyone will get fired over this.

Nope, just some great war stories about popping some freaks. :rolleyes:

Roy Tucker
08-25-2005, 05:14 PM
Nope, just some great war stories about popping some freaks. :rolleyes:
Sheriff, we got some of those weird drug-addled hippies up here in the canyon.

Martha, hand me that shotgun.

Cedric
08-25-2005, 05:15 PM
Nope, just some great war stories about popping some freaks. :rolleyes:

And all jocks are stupid and hate nerds. Sounds like a bad movie cliche.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 05:16 PM
And all jocks are stupid and hate nerds. Sounds like a bad movie cliche.

Right... and all the officials who break rules are always punished.

pedro
08-25-2005, 05:20 PM
And all jocks are stupid and hate nerds. Sounds like a bad movie cliche.

who said anything about Jocks?

Maybe they just hate freedom? ;)

cincyinco
08-25-2005, 05:21 PM
I think its important to ask yourself some basic questions:

Why was it necessary to send in 90 officers in full riot gear with assault rifles, to break up a party?

When has this EVER been necessary? I dont want to argue laws, whether this was a legal or illegal event. All I want to discuss is was the force shown necessary? Was it excessive?

I think it is clearly excessive. Again, I ask - Why could not a dozen men/women dressed in Blue, flashing their badges, have gone into the party, talked to the promoters, asked them to shut it down, and let people file out in a normal fashion?

I'll tell you why, because the Sherriff wanted to make an example, and thats not right! Go read some of the interviews with the Sherrif, some of the things he says.. well, lets just say you can clearly tell he has distaste for these people, and that he was trying to make an example out of them. statements like "They are not wanted", etc.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 05:21 PM
who said anything about Jocks?

Maybe they just hate freedom? ;)

http://mixnmojo0.tripod.com/teenwebsite/80spage/nerdogre.jpg

pedro
08-25-2005, 05:50 PM
Pigs they tend to wiggle when they walk
The infrastructure rots
And the owners hate the jocks
With their agents and their dates
If the signatures are checked
You'll just have to wait
And we're counting up the instants that we saved
Entire nation so depraved
From the cheap seats see us wave to the camera
It took a giant ramrod
To raze the demon settlement

westofyou
08-25-2005, 05:57 PM
The jam kids on the vespas
And glum looks on their faces
The street is full of punks
They got spikes
See those rockers with their long curly locks
Goodnight to the rock and roll era
Cause they don't need you anymore
Little girl, boy, girl,
bo...................y

Their composures are so distracted
Jasper's skinny arms
And the dance faction, a little too loose for me
Every night it's straight and narrow
Laws are broken, amusing era
walls are broke in the music era
Round and round and round and round she goes....

Sham
08-25-2005, 09:55 PM
I agree, this was total BS. This country is going the wrong way in a herry.

Falls City Beer
08-25-2005, 10:33 PM
Right... and all the officials who break rules are always punished.

Thin blue line.

To quote Warlock from the Young Ones: "This is Starship Captain Warlock from the Planet Freakout, requesting assistance, ten assistants, preferably Swedish."

http://www.bebosh.com/youngones/interesting/interesting21.jpg

cincyinco
08-26-2005, 01:40 PM
Ha! Get this!

http://www.newutah.com/modules.php?...order=0&thold=0


Family sues SWAT team after raid on their home

Michael Rigert DAILY HERALD

A family says on a quiet May evening members of the Utah County SWAT team erroneously invaded their Springville home and roughed them up without cause.

The next day, the Chidester family, including Lawrence, his wife Emily and their adult son Larry, filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Utah County and six SWAT team members.

According to court documents, the Chidesters say the SWAT team arrived on the street outside their home May 25 at approximately 10:30 p.m. They say the officers then proceeded to man-handle them in the execution of a search warrant -- albeit for the wrong address. The police unit's intended target, the suit claims, was the residence next door.

"Larry Chidester was asleep in his residence when he heard a loud bang or crash outside and exited to investigate the source of the noise," court documents say.

He observed Utah County SWAT team members departing their police vehicle and heading toward their neighbor's home. The sound he had heard was flash-bang devices detonated by the officers. However when SWAT team members saw Larry, they went after him, the suit claims.

"The officer pointed his firearm at Larry and started running towards him, yelling, 'There's one!,' " the document states.

Despite the fact that Larry had his hands in the air and told the officer repeatedly "I'm not resisting," the suit states the SWAT member continued to run over or tackle him, "and shoved his face into the ground and rocks."

The suit claims Larry Chidester was later transported to the emergency room at Mountain View Hospital in Payson to be treated for injuries.

Two officers then kicked open a side door of the home and entered Lawrence Chidester's bedroom as he was dressing, according to the suit.

"A law enforcement officer grabbed Lawrence and threw him to the floor ... the officer held a firearm to the back of Lawrence's head in the presence of his wife, Emily Chidester," the documents say.

Afterward, when the family was questioned about their names and address, the suit claims SWAT team members "admitted ... they were in the wrong house and they had made a mistake."

The Chidesters said the addresses of both homes were clearly marked by curbside mail boxes.

In the federal suit, the Chidesters claim that the members of the Utah County Sheriff's Office were "grossly negligent ... and acted with deliberate indifference" of their rights. They say the SWAT team members had no probable cause for their arrest or detention.

The family is seeking an undisclosed amount in damages to be determined at trial.

Though Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy said the Chidester home was not the SWAT team's original objective, he said the Chidesters became involved in the raid "as an ancillary issue."

"The warrant was for the house nextdoor but in the service of that warrant they became involved ... they had contact with us," Tracy said.

He said he could not comment on the specifics of the lawsuit since he had not yet reviewed it.

"We dispute the accuracy of their version of the events," Tracy said, regarding what's been reported to date about the nature of the incident.

Reds Nd2
08-26-2005, 02:13 PM
"The warrant was for the house nextdoor but in the service of that warrant they became involved ... they had contact with us," Tracy said.

I wonder if this guy takes his foot out of his mouth to eat? Of course they had contact with your SWAT Team, ya' fool. Your team most likely used a battering ram on the front door before proceeding to lob a flash bang device inside while innocent people were asleep. Unbelievable the goings on in Utah lately.

cincyinco
08-26-2005, 02:45 PM
Same Sherrif, same swat team, same moronic remarks made to the press. Can you believe this guy?

cincyinco
08-26-2005, 03:01 PM
http://www.newutah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=63032


In our view: The problem with assumptions

The Daily Herald


No citizen should be subjected to criminal charges for a crime he might commit. This is a fundamental principle in our society: One does not take blame for what might happen, only for violations of the law that he actually commits.

Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy seems to see things differently.

In an interview with the Daily Herald on Wednesday, he indicated that he believes law enforcement has the authority to assume a violation will be committed, and officers may therefore go straight to writing a citation.

That is what happened Saturday night at an outdoor music concert and dance in Diamond Fork.

The event -- a rave -- was held on private property owned by Trudy Childs. An estimated 300 young adults attended the gathering, which was shut down at 11:30 p.m. by about 90 law enforcement officers in a massive show of force that included helicopters, dogs and assault rifles.

Some plainclothes officers with cell phones had mingled in the crowd and observed illegal drug activity, which has occurred at similar events. That -- combined with law enforcement's allegation that the gathering itself was illegal because proper county permits had not been obtained -- is what triggered the raid. SWAT teams stormed the crowd to make arrests, and many attendees, including the landowner, are now crying foul.

All the facts are not yet in with regard to criminal activity in the crowd. We expect to know more in the coming days. But we do have ample information to evaluate Tracy's claim that Childs had not obtained a necessary permit for the event.

The fact is, Childs did not need a permit.

Tracy protests that she did need one, but we believe he is wrong. Here's why:

A county ordinance specifies exactly the circumstances under which a mass gathering permit must be obtained from the Utah County Commission, and when a permit is not required. No person may host a gathering "of an actual or reasonably anticipated assembly of 250 or more people which continues or can reasonably be expected to continue for 12 or more consecutive hours" unless the host has a license, the ordinance reads.

The electronic beats at the rave began thumping at 9 p.m. Saturday. We cannot know exactly how long the party would have gone if police hadn't hammered down. But we do know a few things. We know, for example, that the promoter's agreement with the sound technicians was to end the show at 6:30 a.m. Sunday, as dawn approached. Privately contracted security personnel confirmed that they, too, were scheduled for that time period.

So the concert was intended for nine-and-a-half hours, well inside the 12-hour limit. It was a business proposition, and that was the deal.

In painting a picture that the gathering violated county public assembly codes, Tracy misrepresents not only the facts in Diamond Fork but distorts the proper role of law enforcement. We hope he understands his limitations as an officer of civil government.

Tracy said that authorities reasonably anticipated a crowd of thousands and expected partygoers to linger to 9 a.m. and beyond. "People are up all night partying hard and have a camping area," he said. "If you've been up since 9 o'clock the night before, we are assuming you're not going to jump right up and get out of there, and will exceed the 12-hour period."

Read that carefully again, with particular attention to "we are assuming." Tracy is saying that the 12-hour ordinance was violated because law enforcement, not the event host, anticipated the gathering would last more than 12 hours. This is an unjustified and even dangerous view.

It is not law enforcement's prerogative to enforce assumptions -- to hand out criminal or civil citations based on what might happen. Accusations must be made on the basis of actual observable acts, not on what a cop thinks will occur in the future.

Let's say a highway patrolman with a radar gun in a 60 mph zone clocks a driver at 59 mph. He cannot ticket that driver on the assumption that the car will soon be going much faster.

In short, the anticipation of a crowd of 250 for 12 hours as specified in the law must belong to the event host. If the host believes that a gathering will not exceed 12 hours, and he ensures that it does not (as was done in the case of the Diamond Fork rave), he is simply not required to obtain a permit.

No citizen of this country is required to impose more law upon himself than is specified by statute. And no county sheriff has a right to impose it, either.

This ordinance is written in the passive voice -- specifying an event "reasonably anticipated ... to continue" for 12 hours. It doesn't say who is to do the anticipating. Apparently Tracy believes it is he himself. But this is an implausible reading of the law. Such an interpretation would make the county sheriff the sole arbiter of which public gatherings require a permit and which do not. Tracy could prohibit anything he wanted, from a political rally to a knit-in or company picnic -- any gathering that is otherwise protected under the First Amendment's guarantee of the "right of the people peaceably to assemble."

Typically, in potentially embarrassing situations, law enforcement seems to reach for every thread of support it can find to justify its actions. It appears to us that Sheriff Tracy is reaching in just this way with arguments about permits for Saturday's rave. The organizers did get the required mass-gathering permits for on-site sanitation, and that's apparently all they really needed.

We understand that law enforcement is a difficult job. We also understand that some crimes were likely committed at the rave. But officers should not attempt to make their tough job easier by playing fast and loose with statutes, or by spinning the meaning of the law in hopes of achieving a favorable public relations effect.

This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page A6.