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Reds Fanatic
08-24-2005, 06:04 PM
Lineup is out early tonight.


Starting Lineup
Season

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. F Lopez, SS .286 19 63 12
2. R Aurilia, 2B .279 13 52 0
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .294 29 85 0
4. A Dunn, LF .254 34 83 4
5. S Casey, 1B .319 8 50 2
6. A Kearns, RF .241 12 47 0
7. J Valentin, C .280 10 35 0
8. E Encarnacion, 3B .255 5 15 1
9. R Ortiz, P .103 0 0 0

Starting Lineup
Season

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Church, LF .295 7 36 3
2. J Vidro, 2B .272 7 30 0
3. N Johnson, 1B .299 12 57 3
4. J Guillen, RF .299 22 66 1
5. P Wilson, CF .274 6 20 1
6. B Schneider, C .288 9 38 1
7. V Castilla, 3B .248 10 55 4
8. J Carroll, SS .240 0 16 2
9. J Patterson, P .048 0 0 0

KronoRed
08-24-2005, 06:11 PM
Free Rey!

Little Alex
08-24-2005, 06:11 PM
Aurilla really must be loving all this playing time.

knuckler
08-24-2005, 06:28 PM
Looking at the HR totals there, it isn't inconceivable that Casey could hit two more dingers and Encarnacion 5 more before the season is up. That would make 10 Reds with at least 10 home runs (LaRue and Pena are already there) for the first time since 1999.

That would be cool.

New Fever
08-24-2005, 06:35 PM
Randa should count he did hit 13 as a Red

KronoRed
08-24-2005, 06:35 PM
Other interesting things

Austin Kearns is 4 RBI away from passing Casey

Buckeye33
08-24-2005, 06:48 PM
Other interesting things

Austin Kearns is 4 RBI away from passing Casey

To make things even more pathetic, Kearns is only 4 away while batting a putrid .241.

Man, 8 million/yr too. Yikes.

Puffy
08-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Aurilla has more RBI than Casey.

Raisor
08-24-2005, 07:30 PM
Dunn's power has gone away here in August. His OBP is over .400 for the month, but his SLG is under .450 for the month.

.262/.407/.431

At least BF should be happy..

pedro
08-24-2005, 07:38 PM
Dunn's power has gone away here in August. His OBP is over .400 for the month, but his SLG is under .450 for the month.

.262/.407/.431

At least BF should be happy..

and yet those aren't shabby numbers.

pedro
08-24-2005, 07:41 PM
Dunn's going yard today BTW.

RedsMan3203
08-24-2005, 07:51 PM
You might hate him, you might like him....

But boys, Aurilla has done what he came here to do...... Puts the bat on the ball, and puts it in play..... I don't like he is getting more PT over our younger IF, but atleast he is having a productive year.

knuckler
08-24-2005, 07:51 PM
Dunn's power has gone away here in August. His OBP is over .400 for the month, but his SLG is under .450 for the month.

.262/.407/.431
..

And that, my friends, is yet another reason why it is important for batters to take their walks -- average slumps, power slumps, but OBP just keeps marching right along, grinding down pitchers and turning into runs scored.

Johnny Vander m
08-24-2005, 08:02 PM
You might hate him, you might like him....

But boys, Aurilla has done what he came here to do...... Puts the bat on the ball, and puts it in play..... I don't like he is getting more PT over our younger IF, but atleast he is having a productive year.

He SHOULD be playing tonight and tomorrow to showcase him to Jimbo. I just don't understand why Jim B isn't realy after him.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:06 PM
And we are underway

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:06 PM
Lopez leads off with a bunt single

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:07 PM
Lopez thrown out stealing second

capndees
08-24-2005, 08:09 PM
And that, my friends, is yet another reason why it is important for batters to take their walks -- average slumps, power slumps, but OBP just keeps marching right along, grinding down pitchers and turning into runs scored.

Dunn's HR crown is slipping away, tho - Jones is up 6 on him.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:09 PM
Aurilia Ks looking, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:10 PM
Griffey pops to short, no score middle of 1

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:13 PM
Church lines a single to right

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:15 PM
Vidro Ks swinging and looks silly doing it, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:17 PM
Johnson doubles off the RF wall, 2nd & 3rd with 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:18 PM
Guillen hit by the pitch

KronoRed
08-24-2005, 08:20 PM
Dunn will get hot here soon

flyer85
08-24-2005, 08:20 PM
What did I do that makes me have to suffer through Ramon Ortiz?

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:22 PM
Wilson grounds softly to Aurilia so cant turn the DP, run scores. 1-0 Nationals

dsmith421
08-24-2005, 08:22 PM
Is Ramon Ortiz the worst starting pitcher in baseball now that Milton's had a couple mediocre outings?

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:24 PM
Schneider pops to Encarnacion in foul territory. 1-0 Nationals after 1

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:25 PM
Is Ramon Ortiz the worst starting pitcher in baseball now that Milton's had a couple mediocre outings?

I doubt it since while Milton was having mediocre outings, Ortiz was busy having 3 very good outings

CincyRedsFan30
08-24-2005, 08:28 PM
Did George Grande actually say something smart?

He said that Dunn shouldn't change a thing when it comes to his approach to hitting. Just leave him alone. :eek:

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:28 PM
Dunn Ks looking, 1 out

RedsMan3203
08-24-2005, 08:28 PM
Dunn K's Lookin.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 08:28 PM
Dunn Ks

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 08:29 PM
Did anyone but me think it was foolish to be stealing in the first inning on the pitcher with the third best ERA in the league?

Just askin'

Tony Cloninger
08-24-2005, 08:29 PM
SO...i take it Dunn K'd then? :)

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:30 PM
Casey Ks swinging, 2 out

RedsMan3203
08-24-2005, 08:30 PM
Casey K's swinging.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 08:30 PM
Casey K's - it's going to be a long night, amigos. A long night.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:31 PM
Kearns grounds to short, 1-0 Nationals middle of 2

RedsMan3203
08-24-2005, 08:31 PM
Kearns grounds out to SS. 1-2-3

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 08:31 PM
Dunn--one homerun last 46 atbats.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:35 PM
Castilla Ks swinging, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:37 PM
Carroll walks

Patrick Bateman
08-24-2005, 08:37 PM
Is Ramon Ortiz the worst starting pitcher in baseball now that Milton's had a couple mediocre outings?

In July-August, Ortiz is 5-2 with an ERA around 4. Take out his debacle against Atlanta, and he's 5-1 with an ERA around 3. That Atlanta debacle is the only start in his last 9 where he hasn't gone at least 6 innings.

We are 13-9 in Ortiz starts this year, thanks to some timely hitting.

Lately, Ortiz is keeping us in games and we are winning the majority of those games.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:38 PM
Patterson with a successful sac bunt, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:39 PM
Church hit by an 0-2 pitch

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:41 PM
Vidro flies to Dunn, 1-0 Nationals after 2

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 08:42 PM
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_279568.jpg John Patterson

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9901/29/shes.all.that/link.matthew.lillard.jpg Matt Lillard aka Stuart Macher from Scream.

Separted at birth? ;)

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:43 PM
Meanwhile, "The Heckler" from a few years ago is back at the Tampa Bay - Cleveland game

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 08:45 PM
It's good to hear Nuxhall once again.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:45 PM
Valentin pops to third in foul territory, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:47 PM
Encarnacion Ks looking, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:48 PM
Ortiz Ks looking, 1-0 Nationals middle of 3

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 08:49 PM
Patterson sounds tough tonight. Ortiz has got to holdem close to have a chance to win this one.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:51 PM
Johnson flies one to deep center, but Griffey gets it. 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:54 PM
Guillen Ks swinging, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:56 PM
Wilson doubles into left center

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:57 PM
Schneider grounds to Aurilia, 1-0 Nationals after 3

Big Klu
08-24-2005, 08:59 PM
Looks like Preston Wilson has the George Foster sideburns working tonight.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 08:59 PM
Lopez singles to left

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:00 PM
FeLo seems to have regained his aggressiveness, going after the 1st pitch

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:03 PM
Aurilia doubles down the left field line, Lopez was running on the play & is able to score!! Tie game

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:04 PM
Griffey just missed one & pops up to the catcher in foul territory, 1 out

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:04 PM
Aurilia just keeps on hitting. Nobody likes him as he keeps on producing. Hopefully Bowden's taking notes.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:07 PM
Dunn walks

Big Klu
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
Quick question: Do the Nationals recognize the retired Expos uniform numbers, the retired Senators numbers, both, or neither?

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
Dunn walks

As should anyone who is any sort of RBI threat when batting in front of Casey.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
Casey grounds into a 4-6-3 double play. 1-1 Game middle of 4

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
Quick question: Do the Nationals recognize the retired Expos uniform numbers, the retired Senators numbers, both, or neither?

I would go with neither.

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
Casey back to his specialty,A Casey.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 09:09 PM
Roller to the right side. Casey

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 09:09 PM
Casey had to do the dirty deed, just couldn't resist.

Big Klu
08-24-2005, 09:09 PM
Casey DP! :angry: :bang: :rant: :(

oneupper
08-24-2005, 09:10 PM
To his credit, it was quite a while between Casey 24 and Casey 25.

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:11 PM
I would go with neither.

I think neither is correct. They have what looks like a big garbage bag in the outfield with names of famous DC athletes,owners and other administrators names on it.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:11 PM
Castilla flies to Griffey, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:12 PM
Carroll flies to Dunn, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:12 PM
Patterson doubles down the left field line

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:15 PM
Church walks

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:16 PM
Vidro lines a single to right, Patterson is unable to score

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:18 PM
Johnson grounds to Casey, 1-1 after 4

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 09:20 PM
Ramon is horrible tonight, but he is getting the Nats offense, which is saving him.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:23 PM
Kearns singles to left

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:25 PM
Valentin pops to short, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:27 PM
Encarnacion flies to right, 2 out

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 09:27 PM
Does it seem like Patterson lives and dies on the outside half of the plate too much to anyone else?

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:28 PM
Ortiz grounds to short, 1-1 middle of 5

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:31 PM
Guillen homers to left, 2-1 Nationals

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:32 PM
Wilson Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 1 out

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:33 PM
Only Guillen's third homer at RFK. Two of them against the Reds.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:33 PM
Schneider bounces back to Ortiz, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:34 PM
Castilla flies to Griffey, 2-1 Nationals after 5

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:37 PM
Lopez singles to first

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:38 PM
According to Marty,Patterson was slow to cover first or Lopez would have been out.

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 09:39 PM
Nice to see Lopez is still hitting, 3 for 3 :thumbup:

KronoRed
08-24-2005, 09:39 PM
Wish we could go back to seeing NL west teams ;)

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 09:40 PM
Why???

Do what you do best. Stealing ain't it.

Matt700wlw
08-24-2005, 09:40 PM
That was close. Lopez may have been in there...

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:40 PM
Lopez caught stealing, then Aurilia Ks looking, 2 out

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 09:41 PM
According to Marty,Patterson was slow to cover first or Lopez would have been out.

Its good to be lucky too!

edit: err... not so much

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:42 PM
Griffey flies to right, Guillen trips & misses it, Griffey ends up at 3rd

westofyou
08-24-2005, 09:42 PM
That was some purty stuff

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:43 PM
Dunn flies to left, 2-1 Nationals middle of 6

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 09:43 PM
Sending Felipe was stupid after the first failure. Now the Reds pay the price.

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 09:44 PM
Was Lopez out at 2nd? Marty and Joe both said he should have been safe.

Cedric
08-24-2005, 09:45 PM
Chris and George said he looked out, I thought he looked safe.

Patrick Bateman
08-24-2005, 09:45 PM
Sending Felipe was stupid after the first failure. Now the Reds pay the price.

Lopez looked safe there.

I'm not sure that you shut down the running again just becasue you get thrown out.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:46 PM
Carroll flies to Griffey, 1 out

dsmith421
08-24-2005, 09:46 PM
Opposite-view TV replay showed he was out, in my opinion.

Reds just ran themselves out of that inning...and Dunner looks lost at the plate right now.

In happier news, the no-offense Blue Jays put up eight runs on Mussina, and have added a ninth as I type this.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:47 PM
Patterson flies to Kearns, 2 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:48 PM
Church grounds to Aurilia, 2-1 Nationals after 6

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:51 PM
Casey singles up the middle

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:53 PM
Kearns hit by the pitch

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 09:54 PM
Hopefully EdE will be able to help us out here in a moment...

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:55 PM
Valentin singles up the middle, Casey held at 3rd. Bases loaded nobody out

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 09:55 PM
"They're going to hold up Casey, and that was a good decision." - Joe Nuxhall.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:56 PM
Encarnacion grounds to first, they get the out at home. Bases loaded 1 out, Cruz in to pinch hit for Ortiz

Cedric
08-24-2005, 09:57 PM
Cruz is due big time if I remember right.

WVRedsFan
08-24-2005, 09:57 PM
You really have to score with the bases loaded and no outs. Don't you?

reds44
08-24-2005, 09:58 PM
Yes you do.

Cedric
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
That was terrible call.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Cruz Ks swinging, 2 out

reds44
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
You have to be kidding.

Cedric
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
What does Jacob Cruz add to this roster? He can't hit anymore, he can't field, he can't run. Cut him.

reds44
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Please Felipe!

Kc61
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Hard to score when ump makes calls like strike 2 on Cruz. Didn't seem even close.

redsrule2500
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Wow that was pathetic.

We can't have 0 outs bases loaded and get out with 0 runs. It's just not right.

oneupper
08-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Umps really want the Nats to get this one.

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 10:00 PM
I would have gone with Pena, Cruz has been awfull lately. Narron is really pushing some ugly managing tonight. Reds waste more chances.

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 10:00 PM
I would have pinch run for Casey. :D

reds44
08-24-2005, 10:00 PM
That was a borderline call.

redsrule2500
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
And yeah these umps are messed up. I haven't said that all year, but I'm saying it now

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
Lopez bounces back to the pitcher, 2-1 Nationals middle of 7

reds44
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
That's soo Reds.

redsrule2500
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
I would have pinch run for Casey. :D

That wouldn't have done much, they still would have held whoever it was.

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
Can Lopez go 4-4?

edit: slow net tonight :(

redsrule2500
08-24-2005, 10:01 PM
Can Lopez go 4-4?

Nope.

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 10:02 PM
That was probably the ballgame. If you don't score with bases loaded and no outs it's just terrible. Looks like the rubber game tomorrow.

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:02 PM
Can Lopez go 4-4?

Not anymore.

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 10:02 PM
That wouldn't have done much, they still would have held whoever it was.

I would test Wilson's arm with Ray Ray, but I was referring to the GO by EdE.

CTA513
08-24-2005, 10:02 PM
The homeplate Ump must have been paid before the game for the crap calls hes making.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:03 PM
Standridge in to pitch for Cincinnati

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 10:03 PM
The homeplate Ump must have been paid before the game for the crap calls hes making.

Tom Hallion

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 10:04 PM
No excuse for not scoring there, but the two caught stealings are looking big right now. Can't give away outs like that.

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 10:04 PM
1 run in 6 outs. I feel pretty good as long as the bullpen shows up.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:05 PM
Vidro walks

DoogMinAmo
08-24-2005, 10:06 PM
Man was Jason getting squeezed there.

Caveat Emperor
08-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Someone who has seen more Nationals games than I help me out with this one: Does John Patterson always miss his spots in-the-zone as badly as he did in a lot of his ABs tonight?

He looked like he had absolutely no control of where his fastball was going at times -- luckily it stayed in for strikes a lot of the time, but I just noticed a lot of times where Schnieder would set up in one place but then have to cut back across his body to catch a pitch on the other side of the plate.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Johnson flies to Dunn in deep left, 1 out

Matt700wlw
08-24-2005, 10:08 PM
In other parks, that's a HR

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:09 PM
Guillen singles to left

Falls City Beer
08-24-2005, 10:09 PM
Smoke, meet mirrors.

Patrick Bateman
08-24-2005, 10:10 PM
I would have gone with Pena, Cruz has been awfull lately. Narron is really pushing some ugly managing tonight.

Pena against a tough RH like Patterson would be a sure K. Pena is a horrible PH. Cruz is actually pretty good in that role.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:10 PM
Wilson grounds to Encarnacion, they get the force at 2nd, 2 out

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 10:10 PM
Looks like Standridge is returning to mediocrity like many of us on here predicted.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:12 PM
Schneider singles to left, run scores, 3-1 Nationals

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 10:12 PM
Ballgame.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:13 PM
Castilla doubles to deep right center, 2 runs score, 5-1 Nationals

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Anyone surprised?

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Carroll intentionally walked

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Allowing five runs to the Washington National offense tells you all you need to know about this pathetic pitching staff.

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Ackkk...

Kc61
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Just wonder. Has anyone in Reds management been watching the game lately when Standridge pitches? They might notice that he is terrible. Had a few good outings early, but reverted to form. This was a close game before he was, for some reason, used.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Patterson grounds to Lopez, 5-1 Nationals after 7

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
I don't know what the big deal about Standridge is, he is getting a look see and probably will be dropped considering his past and the data collected. He had a nice run, but he doesn't have the ability to make it last. If you thought that, shame :)

flyer85
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Looks like Standridge is returning to mediocrity like many of us on here predicted.not returning ... but simply his good fortune has ended and he is getting the results his BPIs said he should. Regression to the mean is hitting home with a vengeance.

Of course I got blasted for pointing that out a couple of weeks ago, however, I am not going to say I told you so :mooner:

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 10:16 PM
Standridge coming back to the pack. Where's Belisle? It doesn't seem like he has pitched much lately. Easy to second guess but I think I would have rather had him in there than Standridge.

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:17 PM
I don't know what the big deal about Standridge is, he is getting a look see and probably will be dropped considering his past and the data collected. He had a nice run, but he doesn't have the ability to make it last. If you thought that, shame :)

Agreed.. but put him on the "mop up" squad. I prefer to see Coffey or Belisle out there in a 2-1 game.

Caveat Emperor
08-24-2005, 10:17 PM
Anyone surprised?

Like clockwork, baby. :rolleyes:

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:19 PM
Aurilia pops to right, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:20 PM
Griffey pops to short, 2 out

reds44
08-24-2005, 10:21 PM
How did that not leave?????

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:22 PM
Dunn flies to deep right, 5-1 Nationals middle of 8

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:22 PM
How did that not leave?????

Dead air..?? :confused:

cumberlandreds
08-24-2005, 10:23 PM
Hopefully the Reds can win tomorrow since I'll be at the game. This one's over. I've got to take my nap so I can get up to be at work at 6am.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:25 PM
Coffey in to pitch, Church grounds out, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:26 PM
Vidro grounds to Aurilia, 2 out

CTA513
08-24-2005, 10:26 PM
Its nice to see Narron not say anything about this wonderful homeplate ump.

:rolleyes:

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:26 PM
Johnson grounds to Aurilia, 5-1 Nationals after 8

Patrick Bateman
08-24-2005, 10:27 PM
Allowing five runs to the Washington National offense tells you all you need to know about this pathetic pitching staff.

When you consider that the Nationals average about 4 runs a game, I'm guessin' that they sometimes score 5 runs a game.

They scored 2 runs last night. Over 2 games, we have allowed them a below average amount of runs.

Falls City Beer
08-24-2005, 10:29 PM
The Reds always know how to take a great big professional-size dump on momentum.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:32 PM
Casey Ks swinging, 1 out

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:33 PM
Kearns doubles to right center

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:36 PM
Valentin.. GONE!! 5-3 Nationals

Aronchis
08-24-2005, 10:38 PM
Just think if Belisle had come in instead of Standridge? How about all those Lopez base stealing blunders. Great night Jerry.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:38 PM
Chad Cordero in to pitch for Washington

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 10:39 PM
Boy, does that bases-loaded no outs look even worse now...

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:40 PM
Encarnacion Ks swinging, 2 out

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:40 PM
Boy, does that bases-loaded no outs look even worse now...

Never looks good.

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:40 PM
Pena in to pinch hit for Coffey

oneupper
08-24-2005, 10:41 PM
EdE a little anxious in the last couple of ABs..

Tornon
08-24-2005, 10:41 PM
Pena Ks looking on 3 pitches, Nationals win 5-3

Kc61
08-24-2005, 10:41 PM
Let's keep Standridge out of tomorrow's game please.

smith288
08-24-2005, 10:42 PM
I dont think I have ever seen a more pathetic at bat by any player at ANY level including coach pitch.

GullyFoyle
08-24-2005, 10:42 PM
This one was more about mistakes than lack of talent... boy that was ugly.

CTA513
08-24-2005, 10:43 PM
Let's keep Standridge out of tomorrow's game please.

They should also get a manager that knows when to pull a pitcher out of the game.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2005, 10:45 PM
On the bright side, Kearns another nice game, going 2 for 3 with a double and HBP.

Patrick Bateman
08-24-2005, 10:48 PM
The Reds always know how to take a great big professional-size dump on momentum.

Yeah, it seems that no matter how many games they win in a row, they evenyually lose one and lose all momentum.

OnBaseMachine
08-25-2005, 12:39 AM
Don't look now but Kearns has his OPS up to .771, with an August line of .254/.338/.522. Now let's hope he can keep it up and carry it into next season.

BrooklynRedz
08-25-2005, 12:58 AM
Don't look now but Kearns has his OPS up to .771, with an August line of .271/.358/.543. Now let's hope he can keep it up and carry it into next season.

I look forward to following Austin's performance next year after he's moved this winter.

OnBaseMachine
08-25-2005, 01:02 AM
I look forward to following Austin's performance next year after he's moved this winter.

You think Austin will be dealt? I sort of think Wily Mo will be the one with a new home next season.

BrooklynRedz
08-25-2005, 02:39 AM
You think Austin will be dealt? I sort of think Wily Mo will be the one with a new home next season.

I can't help but feel that Kearns is being showcased for a winter deal. If the plan is to trade Pena, sitting him is doing nothing for his trade value.

pedro
08-25-2005, 02:42 AM
I can't help but feel that Kearns is being showcased for a winter deal. If the plan is to trade Pena, sitting him is doing nothing for his trade value.

I'm not sure playing Pena's going to do much for it either. I think they're playing Kearns because he's better.

Pena's already done his circus tricks. Too much time in the big top and he's bound to have a fall.

BrooklynRedz
08-25-2005, 03:13 AM
I'm not sure playing Pena's going to do much for it either. I think they're playing Kearns because he's better.

Pena's already done his circus tricks. Too much time in the big top and he's bound to have a fall.

How are we defining "better" these days? Just curious.

And it's interesting you should say that Pena's done his "circus tricks." What would these circus tricks be? The home runs? The .857 OPS? He's almost two years younger than Kearns and has been outperforming Austin for the past two seasons.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 11:35 AM
What would these circus tricks be?

Perhaps the worst outfield play since Kevin Mitchell was a Red.

How come everyone always mentions his power and slugging heavy OPS... but nevr the .308 lifetime OB%?

I love his power, but he has to learn to field or get on base to become a GREAT ballplayer, unless eveyone is happy with the Juan Gonzalez career path.

BrooklynRedz
08-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Perhaps the worst outfield play since Kevin Mitchell was a Red.

How come everyone always mentions his power and slugging heavy OPS... but nevr the .308 lifetime OB%?

I love his power, but he has to learn to field or get on base to become a GREAT ballplayer, unless eveyone is happy with the Juan Gonzalez career path.

Pena is no worse a fielder than Dunn. He just happens to be playing out of position. He's a center fielder.

How come everyone wants to hold Wily Mo up to GREAT standards while Kearns is struggling to reach Kevin Seitzer's career path? Pena is 22 and has shown marked improvement at every stage. However, due to some crazy man-love for Kearns, he's stuck riding the pine while a half-wit like Hal McCoy stares at Kearns and sees Stan Musial. But, I guess we'll all be happy moving Pena for a Bret Tomko-ish prospect and going into next season with Dunn in left, a slow sluggish Griffey in center and Kearns in right. Not sure how that outfield is any better than a Dunn-Pena-Griffey OF. Everyone keeps waiting and waiting and waiting for Kearns to show you half of what Wily Mo has put on display for the past two seasons. Is he perfect? No, but he's going to come a far cry closer to perfect or GREAT than will Kearns, high walk rate or no.

CTA513
08-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Ryan Church may have suffered a broken toe when he was hit by a pitch in the second inning of last night's 5-3 victory over the Cincinnati Reds. Church remained in the game, but was limping badly. He had the toe drained, but doctors said the toe is likely broken. He is scheduled to have X-rays today. ''It feels terrible,'' he said. So much for Church taking Brad Wilkerson's job from him. Aug. 25 - 10:44 am et - RotoWorld

The Reds are doing everything they can to help the Nationals not make the playoffs. ;)

westofyou
08-25-2005, 12:56 PM
Pena is no worse a fielder than Dunn. He just happens to be playing out of position. He's a center fielder.

How come everyone wants to hold Wily Mo up to GREAT standards while Kearns is struggling to reach Kevin Seitzer's career path? Pena is 22 and has shown marked improvement at every stage. However, due to some crazy man-love for Kearns, he's stuck riding the pine while a half-wit like Hal McCoy stares at Kearns and sees Stan Musial. But, I guess we'll all be happy moving Pena for a Bret Tomko-ish prospect and going into next season with Dunn in left, a slow sluggish Griffey in center and Kearns in right. Not sure how that outfield is any better than a Dunn-Pena-Griffey OF. Everyone keeps waiting and waiting and waiting for Kearns to show you half of what Wily Mo has put on display for the past two seasons. Is he perfect? No, but he's going to come a far cry closer to perfect or GREAT than will Kearns, high walk rate or no.

Well Dunn has nothing to do with Pena's fielding so I'm not concerned with that comparison in fact I never said I would be happy the OF scenario you propose. Pena is also 23, not 22.

I like WMP, but he has some warts, if you don't want to see it that way then so be it.

Learn to take a walk or hit .300 is what I say about Pena's game, oh and learn to field. Even if he's a CF someday those big thighs are going to scream "Corner OF position please"

BrooklynRedz
08-25-2005, 01:03 PM
Well Dunn has nothing to do with Pena's fielding so I'm not concerned with that comparison in fact I never said I would be happy the OF scenario you propose. Pena is also 23, not 22.

I like WMP, but he has some warts, if you don't want to see it that way then so be it.

Learn to take a walk or hit .300 is what I say about Pena's game, oh and learn to field. Even if he's a CF someday those big thighs are going to scream "Corner OF position please"

Good catch on the age. I do math like Wily Mo does slicing liners in right :evil:

Anyway, I'm not arguing he's got warts. Another poster suggested Kearns was getting the PT because he is better than WMP and I just don't believe that to be true.

pedro
08-25-2005, 01:06 PM
Pena is no worse a fielder than Dunn. He just happens to be playing out of position. He's a center fielder.

How come everyone wants to hold Wily Mo up to GREAT standards while Kearns is struggling to reach Kevin Seitzer's career path? Pena is 22 and has shown marked improvement at every stage. However, due to some crazy man-love for Kearns, he's stuck riding the pine while a half-wit like Hal McCoy stares at Kearns and sees Stan Musial. But, I guess we'll all be happy moving Pena for a Bret Tomko-ish prospect and going into next season with Dunn in left, a slow sluggish Griffey in center and Kearns in right. Not sure how that outfield is any better than a Dunn-Pena-Griffey OF. Everyone keeps waiting and waiting and waiting for Kearns to show you half of what Wily Mo has put on display for the past two seasons. Is he perfect? No, but he's going to come a far cry closer to perfect or GREAT than will Kearns, high walk rate or no.

WMP will be 24 at the beginning of next season. He is a lousy fielder. He has trouble getting on base. He does have freakish power, but that is just not enough. I'd rather have Kearns who can play the OF and get on base, albeit without WMP's power. I just think that Kearns is a better fit for the Reds and that WMP shoudl be playing DH in the AL.

As for CF, I don't think there is anyone currently on the Reds roster who should be playing there next year.

Cedric
08-25-2005, 01:14 PM
Perhaps the worst outfield play since Kevin Mitchell was a Red.

How come everyone always mentions his power and slugging heavy OPS... but nevr the .308 lifetime OB%?

I love his power, but he has to learn to field or get on base to become a GREAT ballplayer, unless eveyone is happy with the Juan Gonzalez career path.

What's wrong with Juan Gonzalez? He's like a two time mvp.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 01:20 PM
What's wrong with Juan Gonzalez? He's like a two time mvp.

MVP's really don't mean much to me. But Juan G is an OB challenged guy whose game was enhanced by his park and his price soon became pretty expensive for what he did (all power, poor fielding)

Since Juan G came into the league this is where he rates in Runs created vs the league.. just make it interesting we'll make 4000 PA's the rule


RUNS CREATED/GAME DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Barry Bonds 6.73 11.69 4.97
2 Todd Helton 5.04 10.31 5.28
3 Frank Thomas 4.19 9.23 5.03
4 Mark McGwire 3.86 8.81 4.95
5 Manny Ramirez 3.85 9.06 5.21
6 Larry Walker 3.66 8.67 5.01
7 Jim Thome 3.58 8.78 5.20
8 Brian Giles 3.24 8.53 5.29
9 Edgar Martinez 3.20 8.22 5.02
10 Jason Giambi 3.20 8.40 5.21
11 Jeff Bagwell 3.08 8.15 5.07
12 Bobby Abreu 2.97 8.24 5.27
13 Carlos Delgado 2.92 8.13 5.21
14 Alex Rodriguez 2.90 8.10 5.20
15 Gary Sheffield 2.89 7.90 5.01
16 Vladimir Guerrero 2.80 8.05 5.25
17 Chipper Jones 2.77 7.99 5.22
18 Ken Griffey Jr. 2.73 7.72 5.00
19 Mike Piazza 2.49 7.66 5.17
20 Jim Edmonds 2.45 7.72 5.26
21 Will Clark 2.37 7.28 4.91
22 Nomar Garciaparra 2.37 7.55 5.18
23 Albert Belle 2.20 7.27 5.07
24 Rafael Palmeiro 2.17 7.14 4.97
25 Mo Vaughn 2.12 7.27 5.15
26 Tim Salmon 2.05 7.22 5.17
27 Scott Rolen 1.98 7.22 5.23
28 David Justice 1.92 6.89 4.97
29 Fred McGriff 1.92 6.83 4.92
30 Tony Gwynn 1.90 6.75 4.85
31 Rickey Henderson 1.84 6.77 4.93
32 John Olerud 1.80 6.84 5.04
33 Ellis Burks 1.80 6.71 4.91
34 Paul Molitor 1.73 6.58 4.85
35 Bernie Williams 1.73 6.84 5.11
36 Ryan Klesko 1.71 6.92 5.21
37 Moises Alou 1.65 6.76 5.10
38 Rusty Greer 1.65 6.92 5.28
39 Mike Sweeney 1.61 6.82 5.20
40 Juan Gonzalez 1.61 6.65 5.04
41 Mickey Tettleton 1.61 6.38 4.77
42 Kirby Puckett 1.55 6.19 4.64
43 Derek Jeter 1.55 6.76 5.21
44 Sammy Sosa 1.53 6.59 5.06
45 Barry Larkin 1.48 6.45 4.97
46 Magglio Ordonez 1.44 6.61 5.17
47 Mark Grace 1.40 6.35 4.94
48 Jose Canseco 1.40 6.36 4.96
49 Luis Gonzalez 1.39 6.49 5.10
50 Chili Davis 1.36 6.24 4.88


BTW Bill James said Juan G is perhaps the most overrated player in the past 15 years, and I agree with him.

flyer85
08-25-2005, 01:28 PM
But Juan G did understand how to extract the cash from teams.

His 2005 season was a thing of beauty.
- day after his contract is picked up in spring training he strains his hammy :rolleyes:
- finally in June he is activated by the tribe. :help:
- First AB in the first inning he pulls up lame running out a groundball :cry:
- back to the DL never to be seen again :mooner:

Cedric
08-25-2005, 01:31 PM
I'm not gonna argue against RC, I honestly don't know much about it. I'm asking this not in a condescending way, but how does he have a ops over .900 7 times, and once over 1.000 and not be a good hitter? He also has 5 years of 40 homers, and 3 years of at least 140 rbi's. Does RC trump everything else? Couldn't there be correlating reasons based on their lineup that caused his RC to be lower than what you would expect from a MVP? I just wanna understand how that all intertwines.

And I honestly don't care about Juan Gonzalez, I'm no fan. Just wondering about these stats.

registerthis
08-25-2005, 01:37 PM
I dont think I have ever seen a more pathetic at bat by any player at ANY level including coach pitch.You know, I was going to post about that this morning. I was at the game last night, and Wily Mo looked as unprofessional as any hitter I have ever seen in my life. Forget the crowd chanting for Cordero to get the save, if Pena gets on the tying run--and the top of the order--comes up. Instead he looks at a pitch, takes a putrid half-swing at the second, then is practically already on his way to the dugout as the third pitch crossed home plate. It was just pathetic.

I would have rather seen Coffey up there--anyone who gave a crap about the at-bat. Pena clearly wanted nothing to do with it and just wanted to go home. :angry:

pedro
08-25-2005, 01:40 PM
Frankly, I'd be happy if WMP had the same career path as Juan. I don't think he will.

oneupper
08-25-2005, 01:41 PM
But Juan G did understand how to extract the cash from teams.

His 2005 season was a thing of beauty.
- day after his contract is picked up in spring training he strains his hammy :rolleyes:
- finally in June he is activated by the tribe. :help:
- First AB in the first inning he pulls up lame running out a groundball :cry:
- back to the DL never to be seen again :mooner:

And WE complained about Junior. Shame on us :bang:

Cedric
08-25-2005, 01:42 PM
Frankly everybody on the Reds has had an at bat that bad. I don't understand the hatred towards that one at bat. I love Adam Dunn, but he has been called out on pitches right down the middle more than any player on the team, and nobody on here says a word. I understand that Dunn takes WAY too much unwarranted heat here, but if we are gonna whine about every at bat we better not just rip Wily Mo.

westofyou
08-25-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm asking this not in a condescending way, but how does he have a ops over .900 7 times, and once over 1.000 and not be a good hitter?

I never said he wasn't a good hitter, I just implied that he's overrated and dependant on his Power and Batting average.

His biggest years were in hitters parks on hitters teams so the counting stats can and are a bit inflated when compared across the league. One thing that pena would have to do to be Juan is hit over ,300. Juan has a lifetime BA of .295 and his best years were when he did have a good batting average (which is enhanced by that hitters park).

But Pena has never hit above .270 at any level and that's troubling when you don't walk.

Juan isn't a bad player, just the type that I would be careful giving lots of cash to, plus I wouldn't want him in a park like Petco.

Cedric
08-25-2005, 01:47 PM
Thanks.