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OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 01:08 PM
Lopez
Encarnacion
Griffey
Kearns
Casey
Pena
Valentin
Holbert
Ortiz

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores105/105247/MLB24434.htm

I am now fully convinced that Narron doesn't look at stats when filling out lineups. Dunn is 3 for 5 with two doubles and a homerun in his career vs Horacio Ramirez. Instead of sitting him against Petitte a few days, who owns Dunn - they bench him against a guy that Dunn has always hit well.

BTW, Hal McCoy says Ortiz will be back next season. O'Brien should be tarred and feathered outside the GAB if he brings back Ortiz.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 01:10 PM
I am now fully convinced that Narron doesn't look at stats when filling out lineups.

I'm convinced he played strat as a kid.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 01:19 PM
BTW, Hal McCoy says Ortiz will be back next season. O'Brien should be tarred and feathered outside the GAB if he brings back Ortiz.
Hal is not always right.

Joseph
09-04-2005, 01:25 PM
Hal is not always right.

Let's hope this is one of those times.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 01:28 PM
Let's hope this is one of those times.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

captainmorgan07
09-04-2005, 01:46 PM
hopefully a win to end this series which has been not so pleasant for reds pitching

westofyou
09-04-2005, 01:49 PM
Instead of sitting him against Petitte a few days, who owns Dunn - they bench him against a guy that Dunn has always hit well.

FWIW I bet Dunn would rather play at night in a dome in front of his parents then on a muggy afternoon in a day game following a night game.

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 01:56 PM
I like EE in the 2 spot, get him some at bats with protection.

No Dunn.. :runaway:

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Lopez flies out to center on the first pitch. 1 out
EdE flies out to right. 2 outs
Jr up

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Junior HR :jump:

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Jr Gone! :jump: 1-0 Reds

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Hello, Mickey Mantle....

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:11 PM
I think I might need to change my sig now.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:12 PM
Kearns K's. 1-0 Reds

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 02:13 PM
Griffey now tied with Dunn in the homerun category. I think Griffey will finish with more. Griffey's season is improving while Dunn's has been on a decline since August 1st.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 02:15 PM
Junior homerun 536 ties Mantle. :thumbup: :party: :clap: :rockband:

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Furcal strikes out swinging. 1 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:18 PM
Giles homers to leftcenter. Tied 1-1

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 02:18 PM
I think I might need to change my sig now.

Yellowstone is next.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 02:19 PM
Giles homers to leftcenter. Tied 1-1

Good. I hope he gets rocked, gives them no choice but to cut ties with him after this season.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:19 PM
C. Jones Strikes out. 2 outs

WMR
09-04-2005, 02:21 PM
OMG Grande & Welsch both just called Aurilia "indispensable."

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:21 PM
Jones pops out to shallow center. 3 outs.
Tied 1-1 going into the 2nd

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 02:21 PM
Ortiz gets out of the inning. 1-1 going to the top of the Second.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 02:22 PM
OMG Grande & Welsch both just called Aurilia "indispensable."

Then George said Carlos Lee was a MVP possibility. :laugh:

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:23 PM
OMG Grande & Welsch both just called Aurilia "indispensable."
Stupidity reigns supreme

Joseph
09-04-2005, 02:24 PM
Griffey now tied with Dunn in the homerun category. I think Griffey will finish with more. Griffey's season is improving while Dunn's has been on a decline since August 1st.

He may well, but you know Dunn hits them in bunches [as the cliche goes] so he could go on a tear at any time and put up 9 in two weeks.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:25 PM
Casey grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:26 PM
Wily Mo Strikes out. 2 outs.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:28 PM
Valentin grounds out to pitcher. 3 outs.
Tied 1-1 Middle of the 2nd

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:31 PM
LaRoche strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 02:32 PM
I can't believe they said RA was indispensable.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:33 PM
Franceour Ground rule double to right-center.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 02:34 PM
Willy Taveres is Georges idea of a good ROY... Omar Moreno in Houston.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:36 PM
Langerhans walks. Runners on 1st and 2nd. 1 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:37 PM
McCann grounds out to Lopez. Lopez bobbles ball only get force out at 2nd. 2 outs.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 02:39 PM
I like EE in the 2 spot, get him some at bats with protection.

Marty must have had a cow when he heard EE was hitting 2nd.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:39 PM
Ramirez grounds into force out. 3 outs
1-1 going in to the 3rd.

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 02:40 PM
I can't believe they said RA was indispensable.
These are the people that the Reds listen to.

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 02:40 PM
Marty must have had a cow when he heard EE was hitting 2nd.
Even better :D

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:42 PM
Holbert doubles to left center.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:44 PM
Ortiz sac bunt, out at first. Holbert goes to 3rd. 1 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:46 PM
Lopez strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 02:47 PM
Felipe looks lost at the plate again.

The offense as a whole has been lost lately, making the likes of Josh Fogg, Wandy Rodriguez and Horacio Ramirez look like solid pitchers.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 02:48 PM
EdE pops out to 3rd. 3 outs.
Unable to get the runner in. Still tied 1-1

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 02:56 PM
Nice throw EE !!!

westofyou
09-04-2005, 02:57 PM
Felipe looks lost at the plate again.

This is a statement that often spoken on days LH's throw against the Reds.

Having to choose between George or Chip Carey is like going to get the Neopoltian Ice Cream and finding the chocolate section gone.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 03:00 PM
Soft tossing lefties kill the Reds. Always have.

Falls City Beer
09-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Soft tossing lefties kill the Reds. Always have.

Well, except they kicked this guy's brains in earlier this season. They're worn out, playing out the string.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Soft tossing lefties kill the Reds. Always have.

It's the curse of Zane Smith.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 03:08 PM
Well, except they kicked this guy's brains in earlier this season. They're worn out, playing out the string.

Tommy Phelps, Doug Davis, Glavine, Zane Smith, Noah Lowry. Reds just can't hit lefthanders that have trouble cracking 90 mph.

Aronchis
09-04-2005, 03:09 PM
Thank goodness Claussen is on the Reds then

Falls City Beer
09-04-2005, 03:10 PM
Tommy Phelps, Doug Davis, Glavine, Zane Smith, Noah Lowry. Reds just can't hit lefthanders that have trouble cracking 90 mph.

I'm not saying there's not a pattern with this team, but not with this guy. IIRC, in the two or three times the Reds have faced Ramirez they've hit him hard. Not just lucky bloopers, but balls hit prodigiously hard.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 03:12 PM
I'm not saying there's not a pattern with this team, but not with this guy. IIRC, in the two or three times the Reds have faced Ramirez they've hit him hard. Not just lucky bloopers, but balls hit prodigiously hard.

At home too.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 03:21 PM
Tommy Phelps, Doug Davis, Glavine, Zane Smith, Noah Lowry. Reds just can't hit lefthanders that have trouble cracking 90 mph.Jimmy Anderson says Hey from Durham.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 03:25 PM
Jimmy Anderson says Hey from Durham.

Doh! Forgot all about him. He was the biggest Reds killer of them all.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 03:32 PM
Dp!

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 03:40 PM
Javy Valentin HR :jump:
3-2 game

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 03:42 PM
Great job getting a 2B out of that! Way to go Holbert...

Chip R
09-04-2005, 03:44 PM
The money shot by Javy!

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:49 PM
Franceour pops out to first. 1 out.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 03:50 PM
Junior showing some legs... nice catch!

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:50 PM
Junior with a running catch in left center. 2 outs.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 03:51 PM
Good job Ortiz.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:51 PM
McCann grounds out to 1st. 3 outs.
3-2 Reds after 7

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:54 PM
EdE singles to left

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:56 PM
Griffey K's. 1 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:57 PM
Kearns lines out to right. 2 outs.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Casey singles to center. 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 04:00 PM
Wily Mo walks on 4 pitches. Bases loaded, 2 out.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 04:02 PM
Ramirez gone, McBride in.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 04:02 PM
Would anyone pinch hit Dunn or Cruz for Valentin provided they bring in a righty?

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 04:04 PM
Valentin swung at ball 4.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 04:05 PM
Valentin strikes out swinging and is not happy with himself as he hits the ground with his bat. 3 outs.
3-2 Reds middle of the 8th.

Patrick Bateman
09-04-2005, 04:08 PM
Would anyone pinch hit Dunn or Cruz for Valentin provided they bring in a righty?

If a RH had come in, I would have brought in Dunn. Even though Valentin hits RH pitchers very well, and LH pitchers not at all ( other than the odd HR, obviously).

With the LF pitcher, I would have liked to see Larue. Not that he's so good against LH pitchers, but he's better than Valentin, and generally pretty good with the bases full.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 04:11 PM
Great outing by Ortiz :clap:
Dunn coming in.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 04:14 PM
Giles almost with his 3rd HR, ends up at third.

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 04:14 PM
Stormy almost got rocked

WMR
09-04-2005, 04:14 PM
So has Griff now hit a HR in every park in MLB?

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 04:16 PM
So has Griff now hit a HR in every park in MLB?


I think he has Comerica left on his list. The Reds should play Detroit next season (not sure if it's home or away)

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 04:19 PM
When things go bad, they go bad

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 04:24 PM
Cruz grounds out to 1st. LaRoche makes a nice play. 1 out

Patrick Bateman
09-04-2005, 04:27 PM
When things go bad, they go bad

Actually, the Braves just scored 1 run.

RedsIn07
09-04-2005, 04:30 PM
Lopez lines it to the right field corner Franouer bobles it twice Lopez goes to 3rd. Scored as a triple.

WMR
09-04-2005, 04:31 PM
Redsin07, i think your quote is now out-of-date. :)

redsrule2500
09-04-2005, 04:33 PM
BOT 9th tied

WMR
09-04-2005, 04:37 PM
Why In The Heck Doesn't *somebody* Make Francoeur Take A Walk???

redsrule2500
09-04-2005, 04:37 PM
Wait why don't you guys want Ortiz back?

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 04:42 PM
Man, this team is frustrating to watch. Not only does the pitching staff stink, but now the offense is slumping.

Dunn is now taking the Pena approach at the plate of swing at everything. He got ahead in the count 2-0...and swung at a slider in the dirt. Did the same thing on the 3-2 pitch. EE took a strike right down the middle and then chases strike three out of the zone.

Frustrating, Frustrating, Frustrating...

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 04:43 PM
Giles robs yet another Reds hitter. I want that guy on my team. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 04:44 PM
Wait why don't you guys want Ortiz back?

Because he sucks?

1.53 WHIP, 5.32 ERA, 32 homeruns allowed, .896 OPS against.

ochre
09-04-2005, 04:45 PM
Frustrating, Frustrating, Frustrating...
That sums up what its like facing teams with decent->good pitching in back to back series.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 04:47 PM
That sums up what its like facing teams with decent->good pitching in back to back series.

I wish they would share some of that pitching with us.

Patrick Bateman
09-04-2005, 04:51 PM
Man, this team is frustrating to watch. Not only does the pitching staff stink, but now the offense is slumping.



Even the best hitting in the league isn't going to hit every night.

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 04:54 PM
Wow. Mercker just struck out Furcal twice.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 04:59 PM
Valentin swings at a 3-2 pitch over his head. 1 down.

Giles robs the Reds of another hit.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 05:03 PM
Dunn hits a homerun...BUT it slices foul. Then he takes strike three called right down the middle. Sigh.

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 05:09 PM
Olmedo botches a routine groundball. The brightside to all this is we get a high draft pick in next years college pitching heavy draft. Of course the Reds will draft a high school pitcher.

In case you can't tell by the tone of my posts, I am frustrated with this organization. ;)

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:10 PM
This team really does stink.

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 05:10 PM
Good lord.

First, Olmedo completely boots a Giles grounder, Giles steals 2B, and then Belisle throws a Wild Pitch on ball four of the IBB to Andruw Jones.

Pathetic.

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:11 PM
Conspiracy theory of the day:

Belisle is still a Brave at heart and wants them to win :evil:

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 05:13 PM
LaRoche K's. Now they're walking Francoeur to face Langerhans.

Hmn. That's another odd move (Narron's 2nd in two nights).

Chip R
09-04-2005, 05:14 PM
LaRoche K's. Now they're walking Francoeur to face Langerhans.

Hmn. That's another odd move (Narron's 2nd in two nights).You'd rather pitch to Francour?

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:15 PM
Yikes! Way to get out of that jam!

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 05:15 PM
Whew! Out of it. Belisle had a hand in creating that mess, but neither Olmedo or Narron made it easy for him.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:20 PM
Junior hurt! 4-3 Reds

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:20 PM
Junior limping.

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:21 PM
Oh no.....no no no

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 05:21 PM
Damnit.

westofyou
09-04-2005, 05:22 PM
Junior limping.

Way better than laying on the ground to the echo of boos.

Buckeye33
09-04-2005, 05:22 PM
Blah.

Falls City Beer
09-04-2005, 05:22 PM
5 months healthy ain't half bad.

WMR
09-04-2005, 05:25 PM
What happened?

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:26 PM
LaRue SLAM!
Reds 8-3
:jump:

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:26 PM
Well...that helps!

OnBaseMachine
09-04-2005, 05:26 PM
LaRue!

WMR
09-04-2005, 05:26 PM
What happened to Griff?

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:26 PM
Larue Grandslam 8-3 Reds. :thumbup: :party: :clap: :jump: :rockband:

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:27 PM
What happened?
They said JR hit the bag (2nd) awkwardly... :dunno:

penantboundreds
09-04-2005, 05:27 PM
hurry someone start the i told you so, we should have traded griff thread

WMR
09-04-2005, 05:28 PM
oh noooooo :(

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 05:28 PM
You'd rather pitch to Francour?

Francoeur is significantly worse versus RHP. Belisle is worlds better versus RH hitters (.667 OPSA vs. RH, .935 OPSA vs. LH). Pitching to Langerhans instead means giving up the RH/RH matchup and loading them up where a BB can score the winning run. Francoeur was the better matchup regardless of how overrated he is right now.

RedsMan3203
09-04-2005, 05:28 PM
JR did not look that bad.... I'm hoping just a cramp or a roll of the ankel.

Anyone heard different?

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:28 PM
Junior was rounding Second going to third when it looked like he pull something. He limped to third and he immediately left the game. Looked like he was in pain.

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:29 PM
What happened to Griff?

Left limping as he went into 3rd. Nothing else made public yet.

WMR
09-04-2005, 05:29 PM
HOPE HOPE HOPE it isn't anything serious.

cincinnati chili
09-04-2005, 05:31 PM
I just saw LaRue slammed via gamecast. How far did he hit it?

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:31 PM
LaRue to play RF?

Chip R
09-04-2005, 05:31 PM
If Jr.'s out, who is going to play in his place? We've used all our guys.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:32 PM
Larue is going to rf.

cincinnati chili
09-04-2005, 05:33 PM
If Jr.'s out, who is going to play in his place? We've used all our guys.

Gamecast says "Freel and Luis Lopez" are on the bench. Think they can hobble out there with their crutches.

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 05:33 PM
If Jr.'s out, who is going to play in his place? We've used all our guys.

Has to be the legend

Rich

RedsMan3203
09-04-2005, 05:33 PM
LaRue is in Right.


LOL

PuffyPig
09-04-2005, 05:34 PM
If a RH had come in, I would have brought in Dunn. Even though Valentin hits RH pitchers very well, and LH pitchers not at all ( other than the odd HR, obviously).

With the LF pitcher, I would have liked to see Larue. Not that he's so good against LH pitchers, but he's better than Valentin, and generally pretty good with the bases full.

As you said, Larue is generally pretty good with the bases loaded.

Nice call.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 05:34 PM
LaRue to play RF?He's certainly got the arm for it.

WMR
09-04-2005, 05:34 PM
Cincy, it was just beyond the bullpen in the left field seats; not a monster shot, but definitely a no-doubter

Matt700wlw
09-04-2005, 05:34 PM
Junior: sprained right foot -- day to day

Thankfully it wasn't the hamstring

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:35 PM
Junior:
'Sprained or strained' foot... Day-to-Day.

letsgojunior
09-04-2005, 05:36 PM
This is the most excited I've ever been about a sprained foot.

RedsMan3203
09-04-2005, 05:36 PM
Thank you Matt.

Thenk you Burn.

SteelSD
09-04-2005, 05:37 PM
I just saw LaRue slammed via gamecast. How far did he hit it?

No-doubter well up into the LF stands just inside the fair pole.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:37 PM
Kearns to cf.

Chip R
09-04-2005, 05:38 PM
Who is the better RFer, LaRue or Pena? I'd say WMP has the advantage in experience and speed. The arms are probably a wash. LaRue probably has the advantage in catching the ball. ;)

Puffy
09-04-2005, 05:38 PM
LaRoche K's. Now they're walking Francoeur to face Langerhans.

Hmn. That's another odd move (Narron's 2nd in two nights).

It was odd - but a good one nonetheless. LaRoche was lost so to pitch to him was a good move. Francoreur is smoking the ball (and the Reds pitchers) so walking him to set up a force anyone even though its righty righty, well, I liked it. And to take a chance lefty righty with Langerhauns, well, I liked that matchup better then Belisle-Francouer.

Of course, just my opinion, and if it didn't work, well I still would have liked it.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:39 PM
Thank you.

TheBurn
09-04-2005, 05:40 PM
LaRue with the 3rd out...
Rojos win 8-3
:clap:

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 05:40 PM
Who is the better RFer, LaRue or Pena? I'd say WMP has the advantage in experience and speed. The arms are probably a wash. LaRue probably has the advantage in catching the ball. ;)

I'll take the guy who can catch :D

RedsMan3203
09-04-2005, 05:40 PM
Reds Win.


Furcal flies out to LaRue in Right.

KronoRed
09-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Glad we avoided the sweep.

Gallen5862
09-04-2005, 05:42 PM
"This one belongs to the Reds."

smith288
09-04-2005, 05:58 PM
Thanks be to the Lord-ah... Never thought I would be so happy about a rolled ankle... Hopes its just a day off type of injury...

striker42
09-04-2005, 06:08 PM
Braves fan here. This loss kind of hurts since we were so close to winning it in the 11th. Pitching to LaRoche was a good call. That guy is killing us. He hasn't seen the ball in about 2 months.

But I'd also like to potentially thank you guys. Shelling Kolb could end up being huge for us. Hopefully you guys have just gotten him released. I think I can speak for all Braves fans in saying that we would gladly trade a win for Dan Kolb's head on a silver platter. With any luck, everyone ends up happy today. You guys win and we get rid of Kolb who is perhaps the most despised Brave in history. At the very least you guys pretty much blew his chances of pitching in any meaningful way in the post season. So, thanks.

Big Klu
09-04-2005, 11:42 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Gus Bell - 160
11. Adam Dunn - 153
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Lee May - 147
15. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 138
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96