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CTA513
09-06-2005, 06:17 PM
Reds Brewers
1. R Freel, 2B 1. B Clark, CF
2. R Aurilia, 3B 2. R Weeks, 2B
3. F Lopez, SS 3. L Overbay, 1B
4. A Dunn, LF 4. C Lee, LF
5. S Casey, 1B 5. G Jenkins, RF
6. J Valentin, C 6. B Hall, SS
7. A Kearns, RF 7. R Branyan, 3B
8. W Pena, CF 8. D Miller, C
9. A Harang, P 9. R Helling, P

Game Time: 7:10 p.m. ET
Radio: WLW 700

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 06:18 PM
Interesting lineup to say the least.

Gainesville Red
09-06-2005, 06:19 PM
Interesting lineup to say the least.

Yeah, that's new. Weird.

westofyou
09-06-2005, 06:20 PM
Rick Helling the Right Handed Milton.

Chip R
09-06-2005, 06:22 PM
I guess Helling is one of those tough right-handers that they don't want EE facing. Gotta have Mr. MVP in there every day. :rolleyes:

harangatang
09-06-2005, 06:23 PM
Felipe's in the 3 spot that's definately not going to last past this week.

RedsIn07
09-06-2005, 06:27 PM
This will only be Hellings 3rd start on the year.

W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
1 0 4.00 10 2 0 0 0 0 18.0 18 8 8 0 10 14
In his two starts:

IP H R ER HR BB SO NP-S
4.0 4 3 3 0 5 3 82-41
6.1 6 2 2 0 2 4 88-60

CTA513
09-06-2005, 06:28 PM
This will only be Hellings 3rd start on the year.

W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
1 0 4.00 10 2 0 0 0 0 18.0 18 8 8 0 10 14
In his two starts:

IP H R ER HR BB SO NP-S
4.0 4 3 3 0 5 3 82-41
6.1 6 2 2 0 2 4 88-60

Helling has walked 14 people in 18 innings.... :eek:

Gainesville Red
09-06-2005, 06:31 PM
Helling has walked 14 people in 18 innings.... :eek:

Want to start making bets on how many Reds swing at first pitches?

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 06:37 PM
Want to start making bets on how many Reds swing at first pitches?
At least we don't have to worry about Junior doing that. I love the man and I love the way he plays the game, but it drives me absolutely bananas (b-an-an-as) when a pitcher throws 37 straight balls then Junior comes up and swings at the first pitch and pops it up in the infield.

KronoRed
09-06-2005, 06:43 PM
Put Lopez in the 2 spot, Rich in the 8th spot and Dunn in the 3.

M2
09-06-2005, 06:51 PM
Nice to see Wily Mo playing CF. Let's see if he can repeat last season's Wily Mo Mays turn.

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 06:58 PM
In tribute to "Active Military Night", Marty read a very nice poem written by an American soldier instead of doing his interview with Jerry Narron.

Matt700wlw
09-06-2005, 06:59 PM
Awesome stuff.

Heath
09-06-2005, 07:05 PM
Mr Scrappy and Mr Whiney in the same line-up....something you'd never find posted together on eharmony.com

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:09 PM
Mr Scrappy and Mr Whiney in the same line-up....something you'd never find posted together on eharmony.com

I bet Aurilia said something to Narron about Freel batting in front of him today. ;)

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:12 PM
And we are underway

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:14 PM
Clark grounds to Aurilia, 1 out

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:14 PM
Clark grounds out to third.

One out.

PuffyPig
09-06-2005, 07:14 PM
Want to start making bets on how many Reds swing at first pitches?

Well, considering that the Reds rank 6th in the entire major leagues in walks, I'd guess that it will be less than most teams. The Reds works pitchers better than pretty much any other team.

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Weeks singles up the middle, Lopez tried to make a play but could not

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:17 PM
Grounder to short, the throw from Lopez was bobbled by Casey.

Weeks reaches on an infield single.

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:17 PM
Weeks is 11-12 in stolen bases this year.

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:18 PM
Aaron Harang is operating very slowly so far.

Kc61
09-06-2005, 07:18 PM
I've been waiting for Lopez to hit third. I just don't see him as a leadoff hitter. Freel is far more patient and makes more consistent contact. Lopez can be a good run producer if he hits lower down, like third. I wouldn't mind him hitting sixth either.

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:20 PM
Overbay flies out to right.

2 out.

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:20 PM
Overbay flies to Kearns in deep right, 2 out

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Weeks is 11-12 in stolen bases this year.

The only time he was caught stealing was against the Reds. :thumbup:

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Weeks steals second

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Rickie Weeks is now 12-13 in the stolen base department.

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:22 PM
Lee singles to right, Kearns guns down Weeks trying to score from 2nd. No score middle of 1

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:23 PM
lol Brewers help out the Reds by trying to test Kearns arm.

:)

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Freel grounds back to the mound, 1 out

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Ryan Freel makes his return to the lineup by grounding out to the pitcher.

1 out.

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:26 PM
Aurilia with a bunt base hit

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:26 PM
Rich Aurilia bunts for a single.

redsfan30
09-06-2005, 07:26 PM
That bunt snaps an 0-16 skid for Rich.

Chip R
09-06-2005, 07:29 PM
Rich Aurilia bunts for a single.

That's our MVP. :lol:

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:33 PM
Lopez flies out. 2 outs.
Dunn flies out. 3 outs.

No score after 1 inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 07:33 PM
Adam Dunn should be fined if he attempted that bunt on his own. Seriously. That was stupid.

Then he flew out on what appeared to be ball 3. I want the Adam Dunn of April, June and July back. He rarely swung at bad pitches.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:35 PM
Jenkins strikes out. 1 out.

westofyou
09-06-2005, 07:35 PM
Adam Dunn should be fined if he attempted that bunt on his own.

2800 pitches a year, I say let him be Juan Pierre... makes the game fun when you stink and they have a Williams Shift on you.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:36 PM
Hall grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:38 PM
Branyan strikes out. 3 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 07:40 PM
I'm not a fan of the bunt. It has its place in the game--Pierre, Crawford, Roberts...but I hate to see prolific homerun hitters attempt a bunt, especially early in the game.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Casey flies out. 1 out.

REDJAKE
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Mantle used to do it all the time.GO CINCY!!!!!

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:43 PM
Valentin flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:44 PM
Kearns walks.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:47 PM
Pena singles, Kearns to 2nd.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:47 PM
Harang grounds into a force out at 2nd. 3 outs.

No score after 2 innings.

Tornon
09-06-2005, 07:48 PM
It seems like Harang gets robbed a lot by good plays

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 07:49 PM
Mantle used to do it all the time.GO CINCY!!!!!

Mickey was 5-11 200 and was faster than Dunn.

Dunn is 6-6 275. But looking at his career bio, the Mick never had more than two sac bunts in a single season.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 07:49 PM
Man, it kinda sucks when you got Austin and Wily Mo backed by..

your pitcher.. :\

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 07:50 PM
Mickey was 5-11 200 and was faster than Dunn.

Dunn is 6-6 275. But looking at his career bio, the Mick never had more than two sac bunts in a single season.

I thought Dunn could run pretty good for a big guy? If there is a shift on.. why not? Make em play honest...

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:50 PM
Millar grounds out. 1 out.

Tony Cloninger
09-06-2005, 07:52 PM
Please don't tell me this lineup will be stopped by Rick Helling......a Brewers version of the Reds pitchers barely hanging on like Joey Hamilton or Jimmy Anderson.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:53 PM
Helling lines out. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 07:54 PM
I thought Dunn could run pretty good for a big guy? If there is a shift on.. why not? Make em play honest...

Dunn does have decent speed for a big guy, althoughI think he is a bit slower now than he was in 2002 when he stole 19 bases.

The reason I don't want him bunting? He could give the Reds the lead with one swing of that bat.

Dunn has one sac bunt in his career, so I doubt he has the skills to drop a perfect bunt down the 3B line.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:54 PM
Clark hit by pitch.

Falls City Beer
09-06-2005, 07:55 PM
Please don't tell me this lineup will be stopped by Rick Helling......a Brewers version of the Reds pitchers barely hanging on like Joey Hamilton or Jimmy Anderson.

Dude you stole the thought right out of my head.

This offense has taken a fat dirt nap the past two weeks.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 07:56 PM
Weeks strikes out. 3 outs.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 07:57 PM
Please don't tell me this lineup will be stopped by Rick Helling......a Brewers version of the Reds pitchers barely hanging on like Joey Hamilton or Jimmy Anderson.

Dont forget Jimmah Haynes.. Jimmah!

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 07:58 PM
Dunn does have decent speed for a big guy, althoughI think he is a bit slower now than he was in 2002 when he stole 19 bases.

The reason I don't want him bunting? He could give the Reds the lead with one swing of that bat.

Dunn has one sac bunt in his career, so I doubt he has the skills to drop a perfect bunt down the 3B line.

True enough, and I agree. But I think there is something to be said for making the opposition play honest...

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:00 PM
Freel hit by pitch.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:01 PM
Retaltion for hitting Clark.. heh.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:01 PM
Or it could be that Helling just doesn't know where the ball is going :p

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:02 PM
Freel steals 2nd... #30

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:04 PM
Aurilia pops out. 1 out.

Heath
09-06-2005, 08:04 PM
Gee - could you imagine if the Reds held onto Brady Clark - we'd have TWO scrappy players!

(and probably no Rich Aurilia :eek: )

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:08 PM
Lopez with an infield single, Freel to 3rd.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:09 PM
GitRDunn!#@$#$

heh.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:10 PM
Dunn pops out. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 08:10 PM
Sigh.

Rick friggin Helling.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:11 PM
Yup.. awesome pop up..

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:11 PM
Casey flies out. 3 outs.

No score after 3 innings.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:12 PM
Wasted opportunities..

I thought we were stressing the "small things"

sigh

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:12 PM
Yup.. awesome pop up..

He was going for that Sac Fly that everyone wants him to get.

;)

:devil:

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:13 PM
Why is it, that even for a leading offense, that we can make the crappiest pitchers look like Cy Young? Arg.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:15 PM
Overbay walks.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:16 PM
Lee singles, Overbay to 2nd.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:19 PM
Jenkins doubles, 1 run scores.

1-0 Brewers....

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:20 PM
Hall flies out. 1 out.

cincyinco
09-06-2005, 08:21 PM
Geoff Jenkins, the new reds killer...

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:22 PM
Branyan strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:23 PM
Miller intentionally walked, bases loaded.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Helling flies out. 3 outs.

Patrick Bateman
09-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Why is it, that even for a leading offense, that we can make the crappiest pitchers look like Cy Young? Arg.

Because even the crappiest pitchers retire about 70% of hitters. With that percentage, even the crappiest pitchers sometimes pitch well.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:29 PM
Valentin strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:31 PM
Kearns strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:33 PM
Pena strikes out. 3 outs.

1-0 Brewers after 4 innings.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:36 PM
Clark doubles...

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:36 PM
Weeks grounds out, Clark to 3rd. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:40 PM
Overbay pops out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:41 PM
Lee strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:45 PM
Harang strikes out. 1 out.

Heath
09-06-2005, 08:46 PM
Aaron Harang - Johnny Vander Meer Award winner. Mark it down.

Has less run support than hair on Dan Hoard.

C'mon big O - get runs!

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:47 PM
Freel doubles.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:49 PM
Aurilia flies out, Freel to 3rd. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:50 PM
Lopez flies out. 3 outs.

1-0 Brewers after 5 innings.

Heath
09-06-2005, 08:51 PM
So much for my pep talk.....

Last time I make fun of Dandy Dan Hoard

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:54 PM
Jenkins flies out. 1 out.

Sounds like Dunn made another good play.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:56 PM
Hall singles.

oneupper
09-06-2005, 08:57 PM
Jenkins flies out. 1 out.

Sounds like Dunn made another good play.

He certainly did. Caught the ball backhanded sliding at the line.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Hall steals 2nd.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 08:59 PM
Branyan strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Miller intentionall walked.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:01 PM
Fielder pinch hitting for Helling.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:02 PM
Fielder grounds into a force out at 2nd. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:04 PM
Harang at 108 pitches after 6 innings... Id say he would probably go out in the 7th, unless they have a chance to score some runs when its his turn to bat.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:05 PM
Dunn singles.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:08 PM
Casey with a check swing ground out, Dunn to 2nd. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:09 PM
Valentin flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:10 PM
Kearns pops out. 3 outs.

1-0 Brewers after 6 innings

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:11 PM
Harang gets no run support from the best offense in the NL...

Kc61
09-06-2005, 09:13 PM
Reds' offense has quit. Everybody pops up with men on base. Harang pitching his heart out, getting no support as usual.

flyer85
09-06-2005, 09:15 PM
why would anyone in their right mind send out Harang after over 110 pitches?

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:15 PM
Clark flies out. 1 out.

Kc61
09-06-2005, 09:17 PM
why would anyone in their right mind send out Harang after over 110 pitches?

Emotional decision to try to get him a win.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:17 PM
Weeks strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:19 PM
Overbay doubles.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:23 PM
Lee with an infield single, Overbay to 3rd.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:23 PM
Harang pulled, Shackelford coming into pitch.

RosieRed
09-06-2005, 09:27 PM
131 pitches for Harang.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:28 PM
Jenkins grounds into a force out at 2nd. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:29 PM
131 pitches for Harang.

Its nice to have someone who is able to throw more than 100 pitches in a game without falling apart.... to bad he couldnt get any runs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:31 PM
Pena flies out. 1 out.

flyer85
09-06-2005, 09:31 PM
Its nice to have someone who is able to throw more than 100 pitches in a game without falling apart.... to bad he couldnt get any runs.sure is asking for arm issues the next time out. That is worse than Dusty Baker level stupidity, letting Harang go 130+ in a meaningless September start

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:34 PM
sure is asking for arm issues the next time out. That is worse than Dusty Baker level stupidity, letting Harang go 130+ in a meaningless September start

If there going to baby there pitchers for the rest of the year, then they should just shut them down.

KronoRed
09-06-2005, 09:34 PM
Get him out of there.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:35 PM
Cruz pinch hitting for Shackelford.

Cruz walks.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:36 PM
Olmedo pinch running for Cruz.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:38 PM
Freel flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:39 PM
Aurilia singles, Olmedo goes to 3rd.

KronoRed
09-06-2005, 09:41 PM
If there going to baby there pitchers for the rest of the year, then they should just shut them down.

Exactly.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:43 PM
Wise into pitch for the Brewers.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:43 PM
Lopez singles, Olmedo scores!

1-1 tie game.

flyer85
09-06-2005, 09:44 PM
If there going to baby there pitchers for the rest of the year, then they should just shut them down.better than ruining them

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:46 PM
Dunn walks, bases loaded.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:49 PM
Casey flies out. 3 outs.

1-1 tie game after 7 innings.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:51 PM
better than ruining them

Then they should also shut down the rest of the players because they also run the risk of getting hurt.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:51 PM
Standridge coming into pitch the 8th.

IslandRed
09-06-2005, 09:53 PM
On the surface, it seemed unnecessary to leave Harang in that long -- 131 pitches to go 6.2 is a bit of a laboring effort. And my initial reaction is always to be cautious with pitchers. But in context, it's not a big deal, I don't think. We're talking about a veteran, someone who's been taking the ball and going 110-120 on a regular basis all year, and we're talking about a single occurrence. It's neither a pattern of overwork, nor is it way out of line with his established ability. As long as Narron doesn't make a habit of it, it ought not be anything to worry about.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:54 PM
Hall walks.

Gallen5862
09-06-2005, 09:54 PM
Standridge needs to step up.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:55 PM
Cirillo pinch hitting for Branyan.

CincyRedsFan30
09-06-2005, 09:55 PM
I just don't get Narron's obsession with Standridge.

O'Brien must be making Jason one of his "pets." :rolleyes:

CTA513
09-06-2005, 09:56 PM
Cirillo bunt pops out. 1 out.

M2
09-06-2005, 09:58 PM
I agree that Harang shouldn't be up around 131 pitches in a September contest between second-division clubs. He's a hoss, but some care in handling would be appropriate.

Though, and I love being able to type this, the guy was off his game tonight and gave the club 6.2 IP of one-run baseball. How cool is that? Seriously, this guy's off nights are better than the on nights of most everyone who's pitched for the franchise this century.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:00 PM
Miller walks.

flyer85
09-06-2005, 10:01 PM
I guess in the case of Standridge the shine wore off fast.

RBA
09-06-2005, 10:03 PM
DOUBLE PLAY!!!!! TIE GAME, BOT 8!!!

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:03 PM
Helms grounds into a double play. 3 outs.

Weathers gets the job done with 1 pitch!

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:05 PM
Davis into pitch for the Brewers.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:07 PM
Valentin flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:09 PM
Kearns pops out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:11 PM
Pena strikes out. 3 outs.

1-1 tie game after 8 innings.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:15 PM
Clark grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:16 PM
Weeks grounds out. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2005, 10:17 PM
I would PH Denorfia for Weathers in the 9th.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:18 PM
Overbay walks.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:20 PM
Lee strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:23 PM
Encarnacion pinch hitting for Weathers.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:23 PM
Encarnacion pops out. 1 out.

Kc61
09-06-2005, 10:24 PM
Reds are all swinging for the fences. All pop ups and fly balls.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:25 PM
Freel with a bunt grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:26 PM
Aurilia grounds out. 3 outs.

1-1 tie game after 9 innings.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:28 PM
Mercker into pitch the 10th.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:29 PM
Jenkins flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:31 PM
Hall lines out. 2 outs.

Gallen5862
09-06-2005, 10:32 PM
Good pitching by Weathers. We need this win.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:32 PM
Cirillo flies out. 3 outs.

Gallen5862
09-06-2005, 10:34 PM
Good inning by Merker. Weber was dfaed today. I hope we can get at least an a ball player for him in a trade.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:34 PM
De La Rosa into pitch for the Brewers.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:35 PM
Lopez grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:37 PM
Dunn singles.

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:39 PM
Casey singles, Dunn to 3rd.

CincyRedsFan30
09-06-2005, 10:40 PM
Valentin!!!!

CTA513
09-06-2005, 10:40 PM
Valentin singles, Dunn scores.

Reds win 2-1

Gallen5862
09-06-2005, 10:41 PM
"This one belongs to the Reds."

Matt700wlw
09-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Good!

Win!

KronoRed
09-06-2005, 11:44 PM
Good job Dunn
:D

Gainesville Red
09-07-2005, 12:11 AM
Good inning by Merker. Weber was dfaed today. I hope we can get at least an a ball player for him in a trade.

I was thinking not so much an a ball player, but maybe a ball if we're lucky.

Ron Madden
09-07-2005, 05:12 AM
My view of tonights game.

I think Dunn was trying to lay down a bunt against the shift in hopes of reaching base and improveing the teams chances to score runs.

Any Manager that would call for Mantle or Dunn to lay down a sac. bunt should be fired on the spot.

Aaron Harang is a Hoss and getting better all the time.

The main problem I see with the offense right now is buying into doing all the little things at the cost of what they do best..... The Big Things that put runs on the board.