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Tony Cloninger
09-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Reds pitchers do not know the meaning of high and inside...or any sort of purpose pitch. Scared rabbits...that's what they are.


I guess DO was right when he said......they look at more than the numbers to judge Booker as to wether he should have come up sooner or not, or over Standridge.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Overbay K's. 13-3 Brewers, Mid. 6th.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:49 PM
yeah, an ERA of 63.00 will do that

That kind of ERA will put you back in Little League. :)

CTA513
09-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Reds pitchers do not know the meaning of high and inside...or any sort of purpose pitch. Scared rabbits...that's what they are.


I guess DO was right when he said......they look at more than the numbers to judge Booker as to wether he should have come up sooner or not, or over Standridge.

The only Reds pitcher that throws high and inside is Hudson and thats because he doesnt know were the ball is going. :laugh:

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Would it be wrong to perhaps dust a batter or three?They might hit a HR. His problem is lack of command, which has always been an issue. He seemed to overcome some of it at AAA this year, however, to this point it is not translating at the MLB level.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Lopez singles.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
Single by Lopez to leadoff the inning... Rally, Rally, Rally

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
That kind of ERA will put you back in Little League. :)

Maybe DanO did have a good reason to keep him AAA other than having to put him on the 40 man earlier this year. This may work out for the best, it exposes Booker now when the season is lost instead of being a Manzanillo next spring.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
Lopez goes to second on a wild pitch.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:53 PM
Marty says that only three times in MLB history has a team scored in every frame of a nine inning game...sounds low, doesn't it?

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:53 PM
Maybe DanO did have a good reason to keep him AAA other than having to put him on the 40 man earlier this year. This may work out for the best, it exposes Booker now when the season is lost instead of being a Manzanillo next spring.

I think you're giving O'Brien too much credit. He just didn't like that he was striking batters out at AAA.

Dunn pops out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Booker had to sign a contract stating that he would pitch to contact when he joined the Reds.

;)

M2
09-07-2005, 02:54 PM
They might hit a HR. His problem is lack of command, which has always been an issue. He seemed to overcome some of it at AAA this year, however, to this point it is not translating at the MLB level.

Looks to me, from my limited Gameday vantage point, that Booker doesn't have the splitter working and knows it. Everything he threw that inning was either up or in the dirt. He didn't touch the lower third of the strikezone. Booker's heater is too straight to throw it middle up in the zone.

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Is it a bad sign when you've used 5 pitchers and only 1 has an ERA under 6.50?

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
The Reds have almost an entire staff having been exposed as Manzanillos

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Kearns K's looking. 2 outs.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:56 PM
Pena K's. 13-3 Brewers after 6.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:56 PM
Looks to me, from my limited Gameday vantage point, that Booker doesn't have the splitter working and knows it. Everything he threw that inning was either up or in the dirt. He didn't touch the lower third of the strikezone. Booker's heater is too straight to throw it middle up in the zone.just shows how utterly devoid of pitching talent the Reds organization is

CTA513
09-07-2005, 02:56 PM
Is it a bad sign when you've used 5 pitchers and only 1 has an ERA under 6.50?

I think its a bad sign to have a starting pitcher being paid $8 million and has an ERA of 6.63.

:beerme:

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2005, 02:57 PM
How many times can you read Pena K's before you just get fed up with it?

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 02:59 PM
How many times can you read Pena K's before you just get fed up with it?

Think of the people seeing him K on the same pitch over and over

Heath
09-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Paging Dan O'Brien - please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Hey, we got 6 games left with the Pirates! Whohoo!

Speaking of which - I'm heading to PNC Park in two weeks - not sure if I made a wise decision. Oh well - its just baseball.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Five visiting teams have hit five homers in a single game against the Reds at home since GABP has opened. The Brewers had that through their first six innings...here's to seeing history made this afternoon :beerme:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:00 PM
Lee HBP. Valentine just can't seem to control his stuff.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
Valentine said "Heck with brushing him back with a pitch, Ill jush hit him!"

;)

M2
09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
On a sidenote, Chris Capuano's all right. Wish the Reds had him.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Jenkins walks. 1st and 2nd, 0 outs.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Valentine said "Heck with brushing him back with a pitch, Ill jush hit him!"

;)

Gonna walk him anyway :evil:

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Lee HBP. Valentine just can't seem to control his stuff.... and I hope that is not a surprise to anyone.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Brewers attempting to mix it up this inning by scoring runs without using bats...

SteelSD
09-07-2005, 03:04 PM
On a sidenote, Chris Capuano's all right. Wish the Reds had him.

Oh, come on now. Didn't you learn before the season that the Reds have the better rotation? Don't need any of those stinky Brewers pitchers.

Heck, right now the Reds are only two pitchers away from contending.

Right.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:05 PM
... and I hope that is not a surprise to anyone.

It's not a surprise to me. His past and his minor league numbers make that not surprising. It's too bad he's one of those pitchers who can't control where his pitchers are going.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 03:05 PM
Oh, come on now. Didn't you learn before the season that the Reds have the better rotation? Don't need any of those stinky Brewers pitchers

I remember that debate well.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:05 PM
Hall grounds out, 1 out. Runners at 2B/3B with 1 out. Valentine was hit by that liner and is kneeling on the ground.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Now Valentine gets hit by a line drive.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Valentine was hit on the hand by that ball. He is coming out of the game.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Five homeruns....Seventeen hits....Seven Walks....

Expanded rossiter make Blimpie head go ouch.... :bash:

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Time for the Reds to call up as many pitchers as they can.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
It looked like that ball hit his forearm

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Coffey is in.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:09 PM
It looked like that ball hit his forearm

They said hand on WLW, so??

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Of course, other than Milton, most of the pitchers in this game will likely not be with the organization next year.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
They said hand on WLW, so??

Probably a broken hand.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Time for the Reds to call up as many pitchers as they can.
If they are more like these guys I think it's time for the Reds to phone it in.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Helms grounds out... a run scores, 14-3 Brewers. 2 outs. Seven straight scoring innings for the Brewers.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Yeah, I heard Steve say that too.. I'm just going by what I saw

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
Moeller grounds out. 14-3 Brewers, Mid. 7th.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
Helms grounds out... a run scores, 14-3 Brewers. 2 outs. 7 straight scoring innings for the Brewers.Keep the dream alive, guys.

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
First time the Brewers have ever scored in each of the first 7.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
No reason Valentine should have been called up. He was awful at AAA, there is no reason to expect anything different, we have seen it from him whenever he has pitched in Cincy.

They need to give Booker and Simpson the rest of the season a get a good look. The Reds need 6-7 pitchers to be on the roster next year that weren't on the roster before September. They need to find out if Simpson or Booker should be considered for being part of the mix. With those two it will be all about command.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:14 PM
LaRue Doubles.

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:15 PM
No reason Valentine should have been called up. He was awful at AAA, there is no reason to expect anything different, we have seen it from him whenever he has pitched in Cincy.

They need to give Booker and Simpson the rest of the season a get a good look. The Reds need 6-7 pitchers to be on the roster next year that weren't on the roster before September. They need to find out if Simpson or Booker should be considered for being part of the mix. With those two it will be all about command.

Booker and Simpson have little future with this club, as does Standridge and possibly Coffey. I don't see how they are any different than Valentine.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
This team is climbing to number 19 on most runs ever list, with 24 to go.


Last year 5.6 a game allowed, 5.48 this year... #2 is in site.



CINCINNATI REDS
SEASON
MODERN (1900-)

RUNS >= 760
RUNS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
ERA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
WINNING PERCENTAGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria

RUNS YEAR R R R ERA PCT
1 Reds 2004 907 907 -155 -.90 .469
2 Reds 2003 886 886 -140 -.80 .426
3 Reds 1930 860 860 -4 -.11 .383
4 Reds 2001 850 850 -88 -.42 .407
5 Reds 1901 818 818 -160 -.86 .374
6 Reds 1934 801 801 -91 -.30 .344
7 Reds 1953 788 788 -52 -.35 .442
8 Reds 1993 785 785 -65 -.47 .451
9 Reds 1957 781 781 -106 -.75 .519
10 Reds 2002 774 774 -48 -.18 .481
11 Reds 1996 773 773 -17 -.11 .500
12 Reds 1935 772 772 -54 -.29 .444
13 Reds 1969 768 768 -103 -.53 .549
14 Reds 1949 767 767 -54 -.29 .403
15 Reds 2000 765 765 56 0.31 .525
T16 Reds 1936 764 764 -44 -.20 .481
T16 Reds 1997 764 764 -18 -.21 .469
18 Reds 1954 763 763 -65 -.43 .481
T19 Reds 1998 760 760 -23 -.20 .475
T19 Reds 1929 760 760 67 0.30 .429

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
EdE K's. 1 out.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:17 PM
Booker and Simpson have little future with this club, as does Standridge and possibly Coffey. I don't see how they are any different than Valentine.They missed a lot of bats at AAA, Valentine didn't. They at least deserve a look considering the state of Reds pitching. However, seeing that both are 28 the odds are against them.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:18 PM
Miguel Perez PH.

Perez flies out, 2 outs. Runner to 3B.

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:19 PM
They missed a lot of bats at AAA, Valentine didn't. They at least deserve a look considering the state of Reds pitching. However, seeing that both are 28 the odds are against them.

and a new regime with their own projects and trades. Purges are fun. Enjoy.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:19 PM
Gotta hand it to that Ruhle guy, been an amazing turnaround.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Freel HR, 14-5 Brewers.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:21 PM
and a new regime with their own projects and trades. Purges are fun. Enjoy.in the Reds case, a pitching purge is needed.

Keep Harang, Claussen, Belisle, Mercker and Weathers. Find 7 new guys to go with them.

Patrick Bateman
09-07-2005, 03:21 PM
The Reds, in the dugout, all congatulated Perez for his long fly out (his 1st AB).

I'm not sure if they were just being classy or incredibly stupid.

I'll assume the former.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Freel POWER! :D

Gallen5862
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Freel with a 2 run Homerun. :thumbup: :party: :clap: :rockband:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
No, the fly ball was a good thing. Just ask George Grande. Getting a runner to 3B with 2 outs is so HUGE! ;)

Aurilia walks.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:23 PM
Capuano coming out of the game as part of a double-switch.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:24 PM
Capuano 115 pitches with a nine run lead. Makes you wonder if these managers have any brains at all that haven't been put to sleep by sitting on them for too long.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:24 PM
in the Reds case, a pitching purge is needed.

Keep Harang, Claussen, Belisle, Mercker and Weathers. Find 7 new guys to go with them.So, is Ryan Wagner officially in the "also ran" category? I was still hoping that he could be salvaged...

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:25 PM
If someone else gets on base for the Reds before the 9th, Freel will have a chance of going for the cycle.(He needs the elusive Triple).

Of course a DP would hurt the chances of him hitting, so hopefully Casey won't be PH. ;)

Patrick Bateman
09-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Gotta hand it to that Ruhle guy, been an amazing turnaround.

In fairness to Ruhle, games like this were commonplace under Gullett. They seemed to happen 2-3 times a week.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
So, is Ryan Wagner officially in the "also ran" category? I was still hoping that he could be salvaged...after his upcoming surgery he probably won't be available anyway.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Lopez grounds out. 14-5 Brewers after 7.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
In fairness to Ruhle, games like this were commonplace under Gullett. They seemed to happen 2-3 times a week.Uhm. Games like this have only happened 2-3 times in 105 years....

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Dunn has has hit 4 of his 36 homeruns while playing first base. Those four don't count in the outfield record, right?

I need to subtract four from Dunn, 1 from Pena(PH and 1 from Kearns(PH).

So the total for the outfield is:

Griffey-35
Dunn-32
Pena-15
Kearns-13
Freel-1

96.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Just need 5 in both the 8th and 9th

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:28 PM
after his upcoming surgery he probably won't be available anyway.I.K.W.T. (In Kremcheck We Trust) ;)

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:28 PM
Just need 5 in both the 8th and 9ththat's the spirit. :beerme:

Keep those playoff hopes alive

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:28 PM
Just need 5 in both the 8th and 9th

That should be easy. Especially with our bullpen holding the fort down here. ;)

Gallen5862
09-07-2005, 03:29 PM
We should call up Germano. We need more pitching.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Cirillo is up(was part of the double-switch).

Allan Simpson in for another crack at things.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Especially with our bullpen holding the fort down here. ;)WIth our bullpen holding the fort we are more likely to need 8 and 8.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Olmedo at SS now
Cruz at 1B
Simpson batting 3rd

Puffy
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Oh, come on now. Didn't you learn before the season that the Reds have the better rotation? Don't need any of those stinky Brewers pitchers.

Heck, right now the Reds are only two pitchers away from contending.

Right.

Thats right - I forgot about the thread that compared the Reds starters to the Brewers starters before the season started.

Good thread.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Fortunately I am able to laugh at the "high comedy" known as the Reds pitching staff.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:31 PM
Cirillo grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:32 PM
Fortunately I am able to laugh at the "high comedy" known as the Reds pitching staff.

Just the pitching? You should be laughing at the Reds organization as a whole.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Clark walks.

Heath
09-07-2005, 03:35 PM
Bob Uecker has to be having a ball today.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Thats right - I forgot about the thread that compared the Reds starters to the Brewers starters before the season started.

Good thread.6 months from now the discussion will be repeated again.

Why does the word pollyannaish come to mind.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Hardy K's. 2 outs.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Fielder lines out. 14-5 Brewers, Mid. 8th. The streak ends!

MWM
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
I remember the discussion well, too. Here it is:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31781&page=3&pp=20&highlight=davis

Here's one of my favorite quotes:


[Sheets-beats Wilson by a landslide

If anyone would trade Milton heads up for Capuano I've got some soggy real estate available..cheap

Ortiz had a better year in 02' compared to Davis 04' season
but I'll call this a draw based on both being up and down in the past.

However you slice it, stuff, experience, track record the Harang, Hudson duo is better than the Santos, Capellan pair for 05'

And if you're going on pure potential would you trade Claussen for any of these guys other than Sheets?

That's Reds 3 Brew Crew 1 Push 1

M2
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Just one out from infamy avoidance.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Bob Uecker has to be having a ball today."Just a little bit outside"

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Prince Fielder lines out...no runs score? Wait. What did I just say?

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:38 PM
I remember the discussion well, too. Here it is:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31781&page=3&pp=20&highlight=davis

Here's one of my favorite quotes:


Sheets-beats Wilson by a landslide

If anyone would trade Milton heads up for Capuano I've got some soggy real estate available..cheap

Ortiz had a better year in 02' compared to Davis 04' season
but I'll call this a draw based on both being up and down in the past.

However you slice it, stuff, experience, track record the Harang, Hudson duo is better than the Santos, Capellan pair for 05'

And if you're going on pure potential would you trade Claussen for any of these guys other than Sheets?

That's Reds 3 Brew Crew 1 Push 1


:eek:

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:39 PM
Prince Fielder lines out...no runs score? Wait. What did I just say?

:beerme: To the Reds pitchers for finally holding the Brewers scoreless for one inning!

SteelSD
09-07-2005, 03:39 PM
Brewers do not score in the 8th Inning.

Well that sucks. It was the only reason I was still following the game.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:41 PM
Olmedo grounds out. 1 out.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:41 PM
With the Spring-Training-Like substitutions today, I'll bet those using scorecards have run out of ink...

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:42 PM
Kearns K's. 2 outs. The bat sailed into the stands.

Pena flies out. 14-5 Brewers after 8.

MWM
09-07-2005, 03:43 PM
Here's another couple of great quote from that thread:


But Ortiz had more wins, IP, and a better WHIP. He was 15-9 Davis 12-12. I know wins are meaningless in Stat World but they do help in the standings.



I guess bottom line I just don't see how anybody can say that the Brewers rotation, top to bottom, is markedly better than ours is.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
An e-mailer just suggested to Marty that Reds should pull Milton from the pitching rotation in September.....(wait for it)......so that we could get a better look at Hancock as a starter. :yikes: :scared: :yikes: :scared:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
Standridge in. A new streak might start for one inning. ;)

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Hart grounds out. 1 out.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
The commish(a retired HOF sportswriter) of my rotoball league has ranted all year long about how divorced wins are from actual performance. Just last week the league leader in wins was last in ERA.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:48 PM
An e-mailer just suggested to Marty that Reds should pull Milton from the pitching rotation in September.....(wait for it)......so that we could get a better look at Hancock as a starter. :yikes: :scared: :yikes: :scared:the five pounds stuffed in a bag never stink quite as bad as the five pounds freshly laid on your feet.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:49 PM
the five pounds stuffed in a bag never stink quite as bad as the five pounds freshly laid on your feet.

LOL :laugh: So true!

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:49 PM
the five pounds stuffed in a bag never stink quite as bad as the five pounds freshly laid on your feet.Confucious?

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Magruder K's. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Mariners SS Mike Morse busted for steroids.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:50 PM
The Reds have now thrown more than 200 pitches in this game.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:50 PM
Hall grounds out. 14-5 Brewers, Mid. 9th. No pressure on Standridge there.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:51 PM
Confucious?Tom Cruise taught me how to channel him. :help:

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:51 PM
Mariners SS Mike Morse busted for steroids.it was the bad batch he took back in Nov 2003. At least that's his story.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:53 PM
Obermueller in to pitch for the Brewers.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:53 PM
Cruz singles.

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 03:54 PM
it was the bad batch he took back in Nov 2003. At least that's his story.

Yeah, he needs to think of a better excuse. It supposedly only stays in your system for roughly 30 days.

Chip R
09-07-2005, 03:54 PM
The commish(a retired HOF sportswriter) of my rotoball league has ranted all year long about how divorced wins are from actual performance. Just last week the league leader in wins was last in ERA.
I'm guessing he was forced to retire for going against the grain of Sportswriterthink that Wins = Good performance.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:54 PM
EdE flies out. 1 out.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm guessing he was forced to retire for going against the grain of Sportswriterthink that Wins = Good performance.he spent most of his time as a basketball writer and columnist. Although he did cover baseball early in his career, managers did not like him or his questions.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:56 PM
it was the bad batch he took back in Nov 2003. At least that's his story.

Is Morse the next big name to be busted. ;)

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:57 PM
Perez grounds into a FC. Perez at 1B, 2 outs.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 04:00 PM
Freel lost his bat into the stands and wanted it back, so he went and got it. A few seemed to boo him.

Freel walks. 1st and 2nd, 2 outs. Freel's bid at hitting for the cycle is ended.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 04:02 PM
Aurilia K's.

Brewers win 14-5.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 04:03 PM
A nice svelte 3 1/2 hour game.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 04:10 PM
A nice svelte 3 1/2 hour game.My guess at post # 141 was an even 4 hour stinker. Of course, that's when I thought we would be using twelve pitchers today, too.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 05:27 PM
We were in it till the end :D

KittyDuran
09-07-2005, 05:50 PM
Well, I was only out $5 for the game - left in the T7 but heard Freel's HR at the Levee. Weather was nice... :)