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redsfan30
09-07-2005, 12:46 PM
For the Brewers:

1. Clark CF
2. Hardy SS
3. Overbay 1B
4. Lee LF
5. Jenkins RF
6. Hall 2B
7. Helms 3B
8. Moeller C
9. Capuano P

And for the Reds:

1. Freel LF
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Lopez SS
4. Dunn 1B
5. Kearns RF
6. Pena CF
7. LaRue C
8. Encarnacion 3B
9. Milton P

Heath
09-07-2005, 12:49 PM
I forgot this was a businessperson's special.

Last one of the year if my schedule holds true.

Cara Capuano going for the Brew Crew.....Boy, that D-Backs-Brewer deal involving Sexson really has worked out for Milwaukee...

redsfan30
09-07-2005, 12:50 PM
Last one of the year if my schedule holds true.
Sadly enough, yes.

:(

harangatang
09-07-2005, 12:54 PM
1. Freel LF
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Lopez SS
4. Dunn 1B
5. Kearns RF
6. Pena CF
7. LaRue C
8. Encarnacion 3B
9. Milton P

Seeing the lineup without Junior makes me glad he might be around next year. Without him there's no protection for anyone in the lineup. I can't believe I'm saying this but I have to give props to O'Brian for not trading him.

RedsManRick
09-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Screw Aurilia! Put Javy Valentin or LaRue at 1B and move Freel to 2B. I wanna see Valentin's .900 OPS in the lineup! Besides, with that IF, it would be fun seeing him try to catch all the wild throws.

Puffy
09-07-2005, 01:25 PM
Screw Aurilia! Put Javy Valentin or LaRue at 1B and move Freel to 2B. I wanna see Valentin's .900 OPS in the lineup! Besides, with that IF, it would be fun seeing him try to catch all the wild throws.

Valentin hasn't hit lefties all year. He has only, admittedly, 28 at bats right-handed, compared to 138 left handed, and here are his numbers:


vs. Left .143 .351 .357 .708
vs. Right .317 .382 .597 .979

nkufan
09-07-2005, 01:30 PM
I know Rich A. is not popular on this site lets give him a break. He has a good year just as good if not better than Ryan Freel. Why is Ryan Freel so popular I will give him for his hustle and his OBP but is always hurt he has a horrible throwing arm. He makes a lot of bad decisons and is horrible clutch hitter. After pitching finding a true starting sencond basemen should be the Reds top goal this off season.

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:34 PM
Before Lopez's emergence, Ryan was the only guy on this club who was within a Palmer-to-Johnson distance of being a threat on the basepaths

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:37 PM
Clark with a HR, 1-0 Brewers.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:37 PM
Clark homers to lead off the game, 1-0 Brewers

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:37 PM
Brady Clark homers off Milton on a 1-1 pitch.

I must say, I'm flabbergasted.

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:38 PM
Looks like I'm a little late to the party. :laugh:

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 01:38 PM
What's the Miltom meter now? 42?

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:38 PM
Hardy grounds out. 1 out.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:38 PM
Hardy grounds to Encarnacion, 1 out

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:39 PM
Milton just gave up his 38th homer of the season

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:40 PM
Milton just gave up his 38th homer of the season

Bert sighs in relief.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:40 PM
You can have the PBP Tornon.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:40 PM
Overbay singles into left

westofyou
09-07-2005, 01:40 PM
is horrible clutch hitter.

This year Freel


RISP .306 .382 .429 .810
RISP w/2 Outs .318 .444 .455 .899

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:41 PM
Who's the probable SP on the mound for the Redlegs on Sunday? Anyone know?

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 01:42 PM
Milton just gave up his 38th homer of the season

It's not as bad as I thought. But still pretty bad. :(

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:42 PM
I believe it's Claussen on Sunday.

zombie-a-go-go
09-07-2005, 01:44 PM
I believe it's Claussen on Sunday.

Thank you.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:44 PM
Lee singles up the middle

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm going on Saturday and get to see Ramon The Barber. Lucky me.

Heath
09-07-2005, 01:45 PM
Who's the probable SP on the mound for the Redlegs on Sunday? Anyone know?

According to USA Today its Oliver Perez vs. Brandon Claussen....

Link-o-rama to Probable Pitchers (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=probable)

BTW - the above link is handy tool - I have it bookmarked...

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:47 PM
Jenkins Ks swinging, 2 out

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:51 PM
Hall walks to load the bases with 2 out

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:51 PM
It looks like the bullpen is going to have a long day today.

Chip R
09-07-2005, 01:52 PM
Bert sighs in relief.
Game ain't over yet. :eek:

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:53 PM
Helms Ks looking at Milton's 32nd pitch of the inning, 1-0 Brewers middle of 1

westofyou
09-07-2005, 01:54 PM
It's not as bad as I thought. But still pretty bad. :(

Only the 38th player in MLB history to do it too!!

Milton has 162 IP this year and 38 HR's 7259 pitchers have thrown at least 160 ininngs in a season. Only 38 have given up 38 HR's that's a whopping .052%

Way to pick em Dan O!!

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
"Only 38 have given up 38 HR's that's a whopping .052%

Way to pick em Dan O!!"

It's all part of his "precision"(.052!) decision making. ;)

Tornon
09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
Freel grounds to short, 1 out

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Aurilia grounds to third, 2 out

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:01 PM
"Only 38 have given up 38 HR's that's a whopping .052%

Way to pick em Dan O!!"

It's all part of his "precision"(.052!) decision making. ;)

We should feel priviliged to be able to see a pitcher making history! ;)

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:02 PM
Lopez grounds to short, 1-0 Brewers after 1

Garrett
09-07-2005, 02:03 PM
Screw Aurilia! Put Javy Valentin or LaRue at 1B and move Freel to 2B. I wanna see Valentin's .900 OPS in the lineup! Besides, with that IF, it would be fun seeing him try to catch all the wild throws.

Why so harsh on Aurilia? Do you honestly believe Valentin can outhit Aurelia.

The hate of Aurelia never goes away!

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:04 PM
Why so harsh on Aurilia? Do you honestly believe Valentin can outhit Aurelia.

The hate of Aurelia never goes away!

He has outhit him this year. Of course, Valentin is having a career year by far.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:04 PM
Do you honestly believe Valentin can outhit Aurelia.

He is now, less AB's but very hot.

.285 /.372/.547/.918
.267/.320/.435/.755

Gallen5862
09-07-2005, 02:05 PM
I just got on forgot it was a afternoon game. Any word on Junior?

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:05 PM
Moeller pops to Dunn, 1 out

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:07 PM
Capuano singles to left

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:07 PM
Marc Lancaster says that apparently there could be something more serious going on with Junior than what was originally indicated. It sounds like the story in today's DDN is starting to make the rounds. It was mentioned on SportsCenter already today.

Garrett
09-07-2005, 02:08 PM
I just got on forgot it was a afternoon game. Any word on Junior?

Check out the Dayton Daily news. I hope Hal is wrong about being out for the year.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:09 PM
I just got on forgot it was a afternoon game. Any word on Junior?The Reds front office is being about as forthcoming with Junior's status as T.A.S.S. :bang:

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:10 PM
Clark walks

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:10 PM
Milton has nothing today. Nothing. He isn't locating his breaking ball and his fastball sounds to be up in the zone.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:10 PM
The Reds front office is being about as forthcoming with Junior's status as T.A.S.S. :bang:
No use for the DL in September and they really don't have to be do they?

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:11 PM
Milton has nothing today. Nothing. He isn't locating his breaking ball and his fastball sounds to be up in the zone.

He's making it easy to decide if I'm sneaking away early or not.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:11 PM
I have a hard time believing a Reds fan wants to see more of Milton next year.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:12 PM
No use for the DL in September and they really don't have to be do they?No they don't. But I still think they should be able to announce whatever it is Dr. Kremcheck may have found...

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:12 PM
Hardy doubles to left, run scores. 2-0 Brewers, runners at 2nd & 3rd

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:12 PM
I wouldn't stay if you have other stuff to do. This game is probably going to last about four hours.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Marc Lancaster says that apparently there could be something more serious going on with Junior than what was originally indicated. It sounds like the story in today's DDN is starting to make the rounds. It was mentioned on SportsCenter already today.Isn't that what has happened with every Jr injury since being a Red?

I speculated on Sunday that it was similar to the season ending foot injury a few years back.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:13 PM
No they don't. But I still think they should be able to announce whatever it is Dr. Kremcheck may have found...

yeah, perhaps... but as a hockey fan I'm so used to hiding injuries that it doesn't faze me.

Marty said that Milton on the Reds for the next 2 years is "Scary"

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Marty calling Milton everything except a Christian....

OSURedLeg
09-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Milton has nothing today. Nothing. He isn't locating his breaking ball and his fastball sounds to be up in the zone.

Are you sure that's just the case "today" or all season?

traderumor
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Only the 38th player in MLB history to do it too!!

Milton has 162 IP this year and 38 HR's 7259 pitchers have thrown at least 160 ininngs in a season. Only 38 have given up 38 HR's that's a whopping .052%

Way to pick em Dan O!!I can only imagine what his Strat Card is gonna look like. It may look like Barry Bonds 2001 card from the pitcher's side.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
I have a hard time believing a Reds fan wants to see more of Milton next year.

No,I don't but I think we will see him next year. I don't think anyone else will want him. And the Reds are not going to just eat his contract.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
And that could do it...

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Overbay homers to center, 5-0 Brewers

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
yeah, perhaps... but as a hockey fan I'm so used to hiding injuries that it doesn't faze me.

Marty said that Milton on the Reds for the next 2 years is "Scary"I'm impressed WOY...not many cats can pull off the old Hockey/Soccer combination as an athlete.. ;)

cincyinco
09-07-2005, 02:15 PM
Milton needs to be gone... I hate to say it becuase I want him to succeed, but now firmly believe 100% he wont.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:15 PM
Are you sure that's just the case "today" or all season?

All season, just to a higher degree than normal today.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:15 PM
It looks like we may see a heaping helping of Randy Keisler today. :yikes:

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:15 PM
Somebody needs to call Dr. Kevorkian....

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:16 PM
Lee flies to Freel, 2 out

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:16 PM
The XBH keep on coming.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:17 PM
Jenkins doubles to left

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:17 PM
I can only imagine what his Strat Card is gonna look like. It may look like Barry Bonds 2001 card from the pitcher's side.

I bet it's like this


11 0 26 51.3 77.3 74.5 8.9

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:18 PM
Eric Milton and his contract alone should be enough to get DanO fired. Add in a dose of Ortiz and a helping of Wilson and it shouldn't even generate rational debate. ANd when DanO goes they should have to go with him.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Hall Ks swinging, 5-0 Brewers middle of 2

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:19 PM
A crisp 60 pitches through 2 innings for Milton

cincyinco
09-07-2005, 02:20 PM
I dont know whether to laugh or cry that we've only gotten through 1/3 of our lineup and its a good possibility Milton might be pulled...

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:21 PM
No,I don't but I think we will see him next year. I don't think anyone else will want him. And the Reds are not going to just eat his contract.there is an ORG thread with numerous people trumpeting Milton and a strong September to set him up for next year.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Milton's ERA is now 6.61. Wow. :eek:

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Dunn Ks looking, 1 out

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:22 PM
there is an ORG thread with numerous people trumpeting Milton and a strong September to set him up for next year.

I got on the anti Milton bandwagon last month with my own let Milton sit through September to see what we had with other starters. I was soundly shot down.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
Kearns now has more HR than Aurilia and in fewer AB, and that's despite a poor start to the season.

cincyinco
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
I'm lovin Kearns play since the call up... Man, he's gotta carry that all year.

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
there is an ORG thread with numerous people trumpeting Milton and a strong September to set him up for next year.

You have to remember that this is the same guy that thought Josh Hancock was a good pitcher.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
Kearns.. GONE!! 5-1 Brewers

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
Kearns homers....WMP coming to the plate.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:24 PM
I got on the anti Milton bandwagon last month with my own let Milton sit through September to see what we had with other starters. I was soundly shot down.

Germano should have been brought and took Milton's place in the rotation. We could see if we have a viable option as a starter.

Kearns homers as I write this. :beerme:

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:25 PM
Pena singles up the middle

Gallen5862
09-07-2005, 02:25 PM
Kearns Homerun. :thumbup: :party: :clap: :rockband:

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 02:25 PM
I guess they just didn't want to start the clock on him, but I can't really figure why Germano doesn't get a look in September. We know what Milton has; maybe Germano could have gotten in the mix in 2006 with some 2005 prep time.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:26 PM
LaRue batting with Pena on first and one away

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Cruz will get to go home early today as Marty says he will pinch hit for Milton.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:26 PM
WMP with an "absolute joke" of a performance on the basepaths(per Marty) as he got picked off there.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Pena is roadkill....

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Pena gets picked off

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 02:28 PM
Wily Mo Pena

Coming to an AL ballpark near you in 2006...

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:28 PM
The Reds have been atrocious on the paths all year.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:28 PM
Larue Ks swinging, 5-1 Brewers after 2

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:29 PM
WMP with an "absolute joke" of a performance on the basepaths(per Marty) as he got picked off there.Capuano has the best balk move in the league. Having said that being down 4 runs against a guy nobody steals against, it is beyond stupid.

oneupper
09-07-2005, 02:30 PM
What Capuano does is a balk...it's absolutely ridiculous that the umps let him get away with it.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:30 PM
For being someone who likes doing things the "right way", I haven't seen many of those types of mental blunders disappear under the leadership of Narron.

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 02:31 PM
Capuano has the best balk move in the league. Having said that being down 4 runs against a guy nobody steals against, it is beyond stupid.

Capuano balks on every pitch with a runner on. But, as you say, every one knows it and may as well live with it or get picked off.

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:32 PM
For being someone who likes doing things the "right way", I haven't seen many of those types of mental blunders disappear under the leadership of Narron.

You can't always hold a players hand, sometimes they have to decide to pay attention to the game or it bites you in the butt.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:33 PM
Helms Ks looking, 1 out

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:33 PM
Whenever I see Capuano step to the plate and throw the first I recall the memory of the balk line on the pitchers mound. Anyone recall what years they did that?

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:34 PM
Helms goes back to the dugout in disgrace (2nd K vs. Milton today)

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:34 PM
Moeller pops to Dunn, 2 out

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:34 PM
Capuano singles to left

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:35 PM
You can't always hold a players hand, sometimes they have to decide to pay attention to the game or it bites you in the butt.

Obviously some of it is on the players too, but you would think that he would have been able to lessen some of the issues by this point in time just by enforcing things outside of game situations.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:36 PM
1/5 of Capuano's hits this year have now come off of Milton today. (2 of 10)

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:36 PM
Brady Clark on base for third time in three innings

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:37 PM
6 ER and 10 H, to go with 2 BB and 2 HR through 3 IP for Milton. It looks like we'll be graced with Joe Valentine's presence here soon.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:38 PM
Dear Mr. Stowe:

Could you please have Mr. Milton's personal belongings gathered up for him in the corner of the clubhouse.

Love,

Carl

Heath
09-07-2005, 02:38 PM
Milton needs to be gone... I hate to say it becuase I want him to succeed, but now firmly believe 100% he wont.

Oh he'll succeed all right - there is always two little words.....

contract year


:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

This might be the worst Reds signing of a free agent pitcher since Jerry Reuss.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 02:38 PM
You can't always hold a players hand, sometimes they have to decide to pay attention to the game or it bites you in the butt.

Guys get picked off, it's part of the game. Marty shouldn't act so surprised, plus it would be nice if he knew Chris's history.

On another note for a 5 tool player a WMP sure has a horrible steal history 10 steals / 5 Caught Steals

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Eric Milton is awe-inspiring. Good move, DanO.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:39 PM
[QUOTE=Heath]Oh he'll succeed all right - there is always two little words.....

contract year


:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:=QUOTE]

Don't tell that to Danny Graves, as he sits crying in his small, small world.

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Obviously some of it is on the players too, but you would think that he would have been able to lessen some of the issues by this point in time just by enforcing things outside of game situations.

I think it is the players the majority of the time. In the last two seasons the media here has had a field day pointing out the mental mistakes of Moises Alou and Jerry Hairston. Now Dusty always talks about how he talks to his players about not making mental mistakes, but players like Alou, Hairston and Pena for the reds to a greater part keep making them.

I do think it is the managers job to point things out but if the player can't make it happen on the field then it should be on them.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Guys get picked off, it's part of the game. Marty shouldn't act so surprised, plus it would be nice if he knew Chris's history.I don't recall that reaction when Casey was picked off in Milwaukee because he wasn't paying attention.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Come'on Chris D.....knock the crap out of one.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Denorfia making his MLB debut.

Tornon
09-07-2005, 02:41 PM
Denorfia looks a lot like Luke Hudson, for a second i thought Luke was pinch hitting

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 02:41 PM
Oh
This might be the worst Reds signing of a free agent pitcher since Jerry Reuss.

Jerry Reuss was a mid-year pick up that performed very badly and was quickly dumped. He cost us very little. Although he in later years performed very well.

Apples and oranges to the Milton situation.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:41 PM
Denorfia K's

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:42 PM
Guys get picked off, it's part of the game. Marty shouldn't act so surprised, plus it would be nice if he knew Chris's history.

On another note for a 5 tool player a WMP sure has a horrible steal history 10 steals / 5 Caught Steals

I also think that wily mo might have paid a little more attention in hitters meetings this morning when some said hey the Capuano guy has a pretty good pick off move. I am sure it was brought up once or twice today.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:42 PM
Freel gets a double without maiming himself...

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:43 PM
I think it is the players the majority of the time. In the last two seasons the media here has had a field day pointing out the mental mistakes of Moises Alou and Jerry Hairston. Now Dusty always talks about how he talks to his players about not making mental mistakes, but players like Alou, Hairston and Pena for the reds to a greater part keeping making them.

I do think it is the managers job to point things out but if the player can't make it happen on the field then it should be on them.

The big problem I have is that Narron seems to always be talking up his "right way" mantra, and he always seems to turn to it.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:44 PM
Rich doubles off the wall. Freel scores

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:44 PM
Felipe needs to keep it going for the big bashers...

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:45 PM
Felipe singles...Rich scores 6-3 Brew Crew

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:46 PM
With Milton out of the game maybe we can make a comeback.

LincolnparkRed
09-07-2005, 02:47 PM
With Milton out of the game maybe we can make a comeback.

Lets just hope it wasn't to big of a hole. Maybe this will be a replay of the 4th of July vs SF.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:47 PM
6-3 game after 3. This one might not be over yet...

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:47 PM
Donkey strikes out....

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Capuano is dominant against lefties(.528 OPS) and Dunn hasn't hit him well in a small sample size. So, Narron plays Dunn against tough lefties(Capuano, Petitte) but sits him against a lefty he kills(Horacio Ramirez). :dunno:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:49 PM
Let's see if Hancock can get the job done...

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Let's see if Hancock can get the job done...I'll settle for an inury-free appearance for Josh... ;)

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Overbay K's. 1 out.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Lee Doubles.

M2
09-07-2005, 02:51 PM
I can only imagine what his Strat Card is gonna look like. It may look like Barry Bonds 2001 card from the pitcher's side.

Egad! Though I'm thinking something more like the 2002 Vlad Guerrero card.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
Jenkins singles, 7-3 Brewers.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:53 PM
This could end up being a four hour game....and not the good kind, either. 7-3 Brewers

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 02:53 PM
Hancock is just a twin of Milton. Awful!

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:53 PM
The Brewers have scored in every inning so far.

Hall lines out to LF. Nice catch by Freel. 2 outs.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Does DanO really believe Hancock is in the mix for the rotation in 2006 (or any other roster spot)?

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Helms lines out. 7-3 Brewers, Mid. 4th.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Marty has moved his ire from Milton to Hancock

Heath
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Jerry Reuss was a mid-year pick up that performed very badly and was quickly dumped. He cost us very little. Although he in later years performed very well.

Apples and oranges to the Milton situation.

Ok, I'll amend my statement.

The Eric Milton signing is the worst free agent pitching signup by the Reds.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Does DanO really believe Hancock is in the mix for the rotation in 2006 (or any other roster spot)?

Of course. He's the second coming of Anderson Machado.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 02:55 PM
12 hits in four innings. Pitching to contact is awesome. :thumbup:

CTA513
09-07-2005, 02:56 PM
12 hits in four innings. Pitching to contact is awesome. :thumbup:

Booker & Simpson have been informed of the Pitch To Contact rule.

:beerme:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:57 PM
Kearns loses his bat...again...

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Kearns is having another go at the fans seated above the dugout......Look out!

CTA513
09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Kearns loses his bat...again...

Hes trying to entertain the fans after Miltons cy young performance.

:devil:

M2
09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Ok, I'll amend my statement.

The Eric Milton signing is the worst free agent pitching signup by the Reds.

If the Reds stick with him through two more excruciating years, he could challenge Chan Ho Park for worst free agent pitching signing ever. Actually, one more full season of this would do the trick.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Kearns walks.

Gallen5862
09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
Why does Kearns lose his bat so much? To bad not an olympic event.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 02:59 PM
If the Reds stick with him through two more excruciating years, he could challenge Chan Ho Park for worst free agent pitching signing ever. Actually, one more full season of this would do the trick.Mo Vaughn just dropped his dinner fork....

Chip R
09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
If the Reds stick with him through two more excruciating years, he could challenge Chan Ho Park for worst free agent pitching signing ever. Actually, one more full season of this would do the trick.

On the bright side, he could be the anchor to your HACKING MASS team for the next 2 years.

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
Mo Vaughn just dropped his dinner fork....

Mo's not a pitcher.

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
Did I really just hear that Milton Bradley is the Dodgers nominee for the Roberto Clemente Award? Wow.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Pena K's. 1 out.

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Nick Esasky in 1990 with ATL.....he pulled a Jimmy Stewart and got Vertigo...played like 12 games. Bad luck for sure...but still.

Ed Whitson.....Steve Kemp signings by NYY in the 80's when George dictated personeel moves more frequently and Yankee haters :thumbup: rejoiced at his destruction of Yankee winning tradition.

A lot of the Angels signings after FA started were terrible...Gene Autry opened his checkbook and got a lot of nothing for it.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Capuano strikes out Pena with Uncle Charlie...Then--for good measure--he picks him off on his way back to the dugout--Amazing!!!

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:04 PM
LaRue GIDP. 7-3 Brewers after 4.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Mo's not a pitcher.Actually, he's not a hitter either. I was more or less just lumping him in with other putrid free agent signings...but thanks for the knowledge.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 03:05 PM
Did I really just hear that Milton Bradley is the Dodgers nominee for the Roberto Clemente Award? Wow.

Funny, I don't recall Clemente making thinly veiled accusations that a teammate was a racist. I guess Derek Lowe took his name out of contention for the award too. ;)

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Other teams should fine there pitchers for throwing Pena anything but offspead breaking pitches.

:)

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Actually, he's not a hitter either. I was more or less just lumping him in with other putrid free agent signings...but thanks for the knowledge.

Lump is ceretainly the word that comes to mind when describing Mo.

I'd rate him the worst position player signing of all time.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Moeller HR, 8-3 Brewers.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Lump is ceretainly the word that comes to mind when describing Mo.

I'd rate him the worst position player signing of all time. :D

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Did I really just hear that Milton Bradley is the Dodgers nominee for the Roberto Clemente Award? Wow.

Are you serious?

M2
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Mo Vaughn just dropped his dinner fork....

Mo gets a bad rap. He may not have been stellar after he left Boston, but in his two seasons with the Angels before he completely fell apart he went .281/33/108 and .272/36/117. Wasn't worth his money, but he did deliver something of value for two years. He also fetched the club Kevin Appier, who pulled one last good season out of his hat as part of the 2002 Angels World Series winning club.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Batting Practice continues...8-3 Brewers

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
So how long until we hear that Hancock is just rusty from missing time with his injuries and he's still a key part of the plan for 2006?

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Other teams should fine there pitchers for throwing Pena anything but offspead breaking pitches.

:)

Yeah, even if you walk him, you can probably just pick him off anyway.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Keisler up in the pen.

Capuano flies out. 1 out. At least Hancock could retire him. ;)

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Are you serious?

Sadly yes.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Scoreboard Stumpers...Name the six players who have collected 3,000 hits and 500 SB's

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:09 PM
So how long until we hear that Hancock is just rusty from missing time with his injuries and he's still a key part of the plan for 2006?

It isn't rust, he still looks injured. He probably needs surgury to fix his groin, but his career with the Reds is about over anyway, so I could care less.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Henderson, Clemente,...anyone?

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
3000 hits and 500 SB's?

Has to be mainly dead ball era hitters.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:10 PM
I'm sure Cincinnati fans can take some solace in the fact that the latest Brewers homer was hit by a guy named Moeller.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
So how long until we hear that Hancock is just rusty from missing time with his injuries and he's still a key part of the plan for 2006?

It will happen soon:

"Due to particular variables, Josh just needs some time to regain his form. Insofar as his performance so far, I would point to the rust factor. Josh remains a part of our future plans, moving forward, and we are confident he will remain a part of those plans."

Clark flies out. 2 outs.

Hardy singles.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
Hancock is out. Keisler is coming in.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
Throw Simpson, Booker, Valentine & Keisler out there for the rest of the game.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:13 PM
It isn't rust, he still looks injured. He probably needs surgury to fix his groin, but his career with the Reds is about over anyway, so I could care less.

He will be handed the opening day start next year.

:thumbup:

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:13 PM
3000 hits and 500 SB's?

Has to be mainly dead ball era hitters.I thought that Rickey may have gotten the hits by virtue of playing 30 years. Clemente had exactly 3000 hits...not sure about the SBs

M2
09-07-2005, 03:13 PM
Scoreboard Stumpers...Name the six players who have collected 3,000 hits and 500 SB's

Henderson, Brock, Cobb, Collins, LaJoie and Molitor

M2
09-07-2005, 03:14 PM
Henderson, Brock, Cobb, Collins, LaJoie and Molitor

Well, that was five out of six. Honus Wagner instead of LaJoie.

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:14 PM
He will be handed the opening day start next year.

:thumbup:

Not in Cincy. DanO is history, as most fans should know that by now. The hints are everywhere but most still live in a lost state about it.

Whether he is replaced by Krivisky or somebody else will depend on who buys out the limiteds.

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:14 PM
I didn't even know the Reds were playing today

:help:

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:15 PM
LaJoieI recently heard Kurkjian of ESPN pronounce it La-Joy.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:15 PM
3000 hits and 500 SB's?

Has to be mainly dead ball era hitters.

Lou Brock is another.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:15 PM
Henderson, Brock, Cobb, Collins, LaJoie and MolitorI thought Brock would fall short on hits. Does anybody know Clemente's SB career total? Forgot that Molitor stole that many, but it makes sense with the "Milwaukee" connection on the Stumper...

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
Overbay walks. 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
I didn't even know the Reds were playing today

:help:

Most of them, apparently, haven't shown up. I guess they didn't know it either.

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
The Reds have an amazing ability to have a staff chock full of pitchers at replacement level of below. Even a blind squirrel could probably do better.

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
Forgot about Ricky "3rd person" Henderson.

Lou was easy...how could i forget that one!

M2
09-07-2005, 03:17 PM
I thought Brock would fall short on hits. Does anybody know Clemente's SB career total? Forgot that Molitor stole that many, but it makes sense with the "Milwaukee" connection on the Stumper...

Clemente only had 83 SB (and 46 CS). He really didn't run that much.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:17 PM
Lee grounds out. 8-3 Brewers, Mid. 5th.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:18 PM
Clemente only had 83 SB (and 46 CS). He really didn't run that much.Wow....I always remembered him being so fast. Shows what I know--Thanks M2

PuffyPig
09-07-2005, 03:20 PM
I'm sure Cincinnati fans can take some solace in the fact that the latest Brewers homer was hit by a guy named Moeller.

The way this game is going, we may well hit every high school in the tri-state area.

westofyou
09-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Clemente only had 83 SB (and 46 CS). He really didn't run that much.

Up until the age of 27 Vada Pinson looked like the one of the 2 going to the HOF.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:20 PM
EdE grounds out. 1 out.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:21 PM
Holbert PH for Keisler.

Holber lines out. 2 outs.

Chip R
09-07-2005, 03:21 PM
Not in Cincy. DanO is history, as most fans should know that by now. The hints are everywhere but most still live in a lost state about it.

Whether he is replaced by Krivisky or somebody else will depend on who buys out the limiteds.DanO will probably be back. By the time new ownership is approved it could be January. Besides, this new ownership may not have a say in anything regarding the Reds.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Marty says Booker will pitch the sixth...

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:23 PM
Freel singles.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Aurilia flies out. 8-3 Brewers after 5.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Freel singles.

That Ryan Freel is pernicious, that's what he is.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Freel is looking good. I think he's getting his form back.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Booker indeed in for the 6th here.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Jenkins HR, 9-3 Brewers.

Aronchis
09-07-2005, 03:30 PM
DanO will probably be back. By the time new ownership is approved it could be January. Besides, this new ownership may not have a say in anything regarding the Reds.

DanO is done. Even if Lindner buys out the Limiteds, he is done. It is over for him and many inside this organization. This has been in the making since 2003.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:31 PM
DanO is done. Even if Lindner buys out the Limiteds, he is done. It is over for him and many inside this organization. This has been in the making since 2003.

I'm with you. I think it's over for him too.

Danny Serafini
09-07-2005, 03:31 PM
Booker better start getting some outs if he wants to keep his ERA under 100.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:32 PM
Hall flies out. 1 out.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:32 PM
I'm following this one via Gameday, but is everything Booker's throwing as high up in the zone as Gameday seems to indicate?

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:33 PM
Booker proving he is only minor league worthy.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:33 PM
I'm following this one via Gameday, but is everything Booker's throwing as high up in the zone as Gameday seems to indicate?

I'm listening on the radio, but it appears that's the case. Marty said that Jenkins' HR was as hard as you can hit a ball.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Helms walks.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Booker proving he is only minor league worthy.

If 2 bad apperances means hes minor league worthy, then the Reds have a team full of minor league worthy players.

:evil:

cincyinco
09-07-2005, 03:34 PM
One can only hope God shines some light on this organization, gives us 1 owner, and guts out the office from top to bottom, and starts over. Give total control to a baseball minded individual with a track record for success - someone deserving - someone who can bring this franchise back to respectability. The owner needs to stay far far away. All they need to do is sign the checks and be a fan.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Moeller walks. 1st and 2nd, 1 out. Booker is all over the place.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Brewers pitcher Chris Capuano bidding for his third hit of the afternoon...

lollipopcurve
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Bring in Travis Wood to pitch to Capuano.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Doesn't look like anyone's biting on that splitter. He threw three balls to Helms with it and Moeller laid off it twice. If major league hitters are going to take that pitch, then Booker's going to have a rough time of it.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:38 PM
The ball got away from LaRue on a pitch, but a runner thrown out at 3B. 2 outs.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:39 PM
Capuano walks. 1st and 2nd, 2 outs. 3 BB in a row by Booker.

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:40 PM
Booker must be taking tips from Hudson.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:40 PM
Capuano walks. I've got your DH...right HERE.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:40 PM
Booker's thrown 32 pitches so far this inning and he's still got an out to go.

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:41 PM
Clark singles. Bases loaded, 2 outs.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:43 PM
Joe Valentine warming up in the bullpen....Hooray.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 03:43 PM
I'm not there to know for sure, but I can't help but think Booker is overthrowing his pitches in an attempt to impress the brass. He did throw strikes in AAA for what it was worth.

I'm pretty disappointed in him so far.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:44 PM
Booker has thrown 40 pitches in the inning (21 balls)

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:44 PM
Hardy Grand Slam...13-3 Brewers!

CTA513
09-07-2005, 03:44 PM
I hate to say it, but Booker is pitching his way back to the minors.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
Hardy Grand Slam...13-3 Brewers!I guess it is always that 41st pitch of the inning that gets you.... :rolleyes:

KronoRed
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
Well at least we know about Booker know.

Patrick Bateman
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
I hate to say it, but Booker is pitching his way back to the minors.

With Booker's history, he's pitching his way to MacDonald's.

M2
09-07-2005, 03:45 PM
Good God that's awful. I feel sorry for Booker. He worked a long time to get to the majors and all he's got are some horrific beatings to show for it.

cumberlandreds
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Hardy Grand Slam...13-3 Brewers!

Do you think that extra point missed will come back to haunt the Brewers. :evil:

flyer85
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
This is exactly the kind of exclamation point the Reds need on the season. Should quash any notion that this team is anywhere close to being a playoff contender in it's current form.

NC Reds
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Whose ready for some football?????????????? :D :beerme:

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Booker is out.

His ERA so far on the year is 63.00. His stats:

1 IP, 6 H, 7 ER, 2 HR, 4 BB, 1 K

His WHIP is 10.00. :laugh:

M2
09-07-2005, 03:47 PM
Just realized cumberlandreds beat me to the extra point punchline.

Blimpie
09-07-2005, 03:47 PM
Would it be wrong to perhaps dust a batter or three?

OldXOhio
09-07-2005, 03:47 PM
I hate to say it, but Booker is pitching his way back to the minors.

yeah, an ERA of 63.00 will do that

CincyRedsFan30
09-07-2005, 03:48 PM
Valentine in to save the day!