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GAC
09-15-2005, 08:05 AM
I'm still trying to do some reseacrh on which is the best for music downloading. It's for my teenagers not me. My kids want to be able to burn them to CD's, and that seems to be the sticking point. Neither of my kids have iPods.

I tried the free trial on Yahoo's Unlimited Music, which allows you to use all their features, but when my son tried to burn songs to CD (which they say you can do), Yahoo tells them they don't have burn rights to that song.

So I cancelled that subscription. :lol:

I've looked into Rhapsody, which seems to be the most popular. But with my kids, that would get kinda expensive (.99/per download?).

Has anyone used this MYMusic?.... http://www.mymusicinc.com/cbhome.htm?hop=magick94

I read through this site, and they state that everything they provide is legal - including downloading, sharing, and burning. The have a "Legal" tab that lists some of the recent court rulings siding with file sharing over the record industry.

But I am still skeptical. They charge you a one-time fee.

It seems like it's like KazaaLite.

missionhockey21
09-15-2005, 08:30 AM
You can buy songs through iTunes and burn it with iTunes. Obviously the songs cost money but the iTunes application is free and simple to use. Then again, since I do have an iPod, I really don't burn often enough to know all the facts about the other resources out there.

oneupper
09-15-2005, 09:09 AM
Has anyone used this MYMusic?.... http://www.mymusicinc.com/cbhome.htm?hop=magick94

I read through this site, and they state that everything they provide is legal - including downloading, sharing, and burning. The have a "Legal" tab that lists some of the recent court rulings siding with file sharing over the record industry.

But I am still skeptical. They charge you a one-time fee.

It seems like it's like KazaaLite.


GAC, what these people are selling, if I understand correctly, is the software for peer to peer sharing.

Basically, it's Kazaa "heavy" (because Kazaa's software is free). Any "sharing" of copyrighted material would still be illegal.

Limewire does approximately the same thing. They have a "free" version of their software (with ads) and a paid verson (without). You "pay" for "tech support" of the software, NOT the songs (or whatever you choose to share).

These guys are selling you "the gun" and teaching you how to shoot. If you choose to hurt someone, well that's YOUR choice.

GAC
09-15-2005, 09:38 AM
You "pay" for "tech support" of the software, NOT the songs (or whatever you choose to share).

In the FAQ's that's what they are saying the fee is for - tech support and to run the site.


These guys are selling you "the gun" and teaching you how to shoot. If you choose to hurt someone, well that's YOUR choice.

I think you're right. You could still get burned if the record industry finds you out and decides to prosecute.

GAC
09-15-2005, 09:42 AM
So my next question is - what is an iPod? It's made by Apple right?... and is just a portable device that you hook up to your computer via a USB and dowload the music onto for listening purposes only?

Give me some recommendations as to type, where to go to buy, and cost?

Thanks all

Hap
09-15-2005, 09:55 AM
I am not a crook, but I have downloaded hundreds if not thousands of songs and movies using kazaalite and I have never had a problem and I have never paid for a single one and I don't care what the FBI thinks. I have burned dozens of CDs and DVDs for personal use.

flyer85
09-15-2005, 10:00 AM
With the Yahoo Music service it costs .79 to make the song burnable vs .99 with iTunes. The difference between the two is a monthly subscription with Yahoo which allows you download any song in their catalog to certain players. The .79 is only paid if you want to be able to burn it to a CD. Itunes has no subscription fee but it is .99 to download the song, doesn't matter if you are burning or just moving to a player.

919191
09-15-2005, 10:14 AM
I don't understand this completely myself. I remember thinking it was cool recording albums onto 8 track tapes. :thumbup:

I had the yellow one.

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 10:18 AM
So my next question is - what is an iPod? It's made by Apple right?... and is just a portable device that you hook up to your computer via a USB and dowload the music onto for listening purposes only?

Your description is correct. USB2 is a better choice for transferring the music files because they take quite a while to move over slow USB connections.

http://www.apple.com/ipod/

My son and I each have the now-discontinued iPod Mini. He loves it. I haven't used mine as much as I thought I would.

I bought mine refurbished, rather than new. The iPod Shuffle is available refurbished starting at $79. Here's a page of refurbished iPod deals from earlier this month.
http://dealmac.com/deals/The-Apple-Store-refurbished-i-Pods-from-79/94907.html

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:48 AM
With the Yahoo Music service it costs .79 to make the song burnable vs .99 with iTunes..... The .79 is only paid if you want to be able to burn it to a CD.

Yeah - the Yahoo was $5/month (if paid in one lump payment of $59), and then .79/download.

Maybe it was just the song(s) that my son was trying to download; but he told me that when he tried to burn them (using the Yahoo player provided), it said they didn't have burn rights to that song. Now I myself didn't see the actual message - I'm only going on what my son told me.

I'm going to get ahold of Yahoo support and see if that is right.

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:49 AM
Your description is correct. USB2 is a better choice for transferring the music files because they take quite a while to move over slow USB connections.

http://www.apple.com/ipod/

My son and I each have the now-discontinued iPod Mini. He loves it. I haven't used mine as much as I thought I would.

I bought mine refurbished, rather than new. The iPod Shuffle is available refurbished starting at $79. Here's a page of refurbished iPod deals from earlier this month.
http://dealmac.com/deals/The-Apple-Store-refurbished-i-Pods-from-79/94907.html

Thanks Una. Can you also hook these iPods up in your car to play over your existing stereo system?

westofyou
09-15-2005, 10:51 AM
So my next question is - what is an iPod?

That just sounds damn funny.

I guess Job's missed peppering your house with press eh?

Ipods are the Sony Walkman of the 21st century, or should I say Betamax?

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 10:53 AM
GAC, here's a good comparison of music download services at Kim Komando's site.

http://www.komando.com/tips_show.asp?showID=8698

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:53 AM
I am not a crook, but I have downloaded hundreds if not thousands of songs and movies using kazaalite and I have never had a problem and I have never paid for a single one and I don't care what the FBI thinks. I have burned dozens of CDs and DVDs for personal use.

You may not think you're a crook - but THEY will. And that is what matters IF you get caught. ;)

But I understand where you are coming from. I had Kazaalite too for a long time. Worked great too. I always turned off the file sharing option, which they said would greatly minimize one getting caught because the record industry was monitoring that aspect. I Just didn't want to get caught and possibly sued for using it. So I got rid of it.

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:54 AM
GAC, here's a good comparison of music download services at Kim Komando's site.

http://www.komando.com/tips_show.asp?showID=8698

I luv that website, and her radio show. Alot of good stuff on both.

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:55 AM
I don't understand this completely myself. I remember thinking it was cool recording albums onto 8 track tapes. :thumbup:

I had the yellow one.

I had a red one!

GAC
09-15-2005, 10:56 AM
That just sound damn funny.

I guess Job's missed peppering your house with press eh?

Ipods are the Sony Walkman of the 21st century, or should I say Betamax?

:lol:

I was dragged kicking and screaming from 8-tracks to cassettes.

I still have hundreds of my Dad's old 78 rpms. Just gotta find a player for them someday.

GAC
09-15-2005, 11:02 AM
GAC, here's a good comparison of music download services at Kim Komando's site.

http://www.komando.com/tips_show.asp?showID=8698

Thanks Una - It looks like what I need to do is get the kids refurbished or inexpensive iPods rather then paying these download fees everytime they want to burn a CD. That could get expensive. And these IPods seem to have varying memory capabilities that allows you to down load alot of songs into it for playing. Which I am assuming you can wipe it out when you're ready, download more, and keep repeating the process.

They are gonna be mowing alot of yeards and other chores to earn them badboys and pay Dad back. ;)

oneupper
09-15-2005, 11:11 AM
So my next question is - what is an iPod? It's made by Apple right?... and is just a portable device that you hook up to your computer via a USB and dowload the music onto for listening purposes only?

Give me some recommendations as to type, where to go to buy, and cost?

Thanks all

An "iPod" is exactly what you say...but somewhat more. Since it has a hard drive (or flash drive), it is basically a "limited" computer. If you learn how to use it, you can store files on it and even use it for calendar and other purposes ( la PDA). One variation (iPod Photo) can be used to carry and show off your pictures. Apple and Motorola recently introduced a ipod-phone (100 songs).

Apple makes the "iPod" which has become a standard of sorts, but other manufacturers (Dell and many others) have similar devices, with the same (or similar) functionality.

Im partial to the pod, because I'm partial to macs (I guess). However, many windows users agree that the ipod (and iTunes) is the best out there for ease of use and features. I have an ipod (20 GB, third generation, as in "last year"), my daughter has an ipod mini (4 GB), which she takes to school. Calculate about 250 songs per GB.

My iPod is in the car most of the time and it has practically the entire family's music collection. With an FM Transmitter, we can listen to my wife's stuff (Latin), my kid's stuff (punk rock) or my stuff thru the car stereo. I just downloaded the latest Harry Potter Audiobook and will be listening to that when I travel.

Oh, I didn't mention. When you get an ipod, one thing you do is to import all your CDs (or those you want), into iTunes (and from there to the pod). Beats carrying CDs around.

As to which one to buy, the variables are capacity, portability and price.

If you want to carry ALL your stuff around (or put the pod in the car). I'd get a large capacity ipod. 20 GB goes for$299 and 60 GB for $399 (you have to have lots of CDs to fill that one up).

For your kids, if you want to win "Dad of the year", i'd get the new ipod nano. 4GB for $249.

If you want to jog with this thing, get the ipod shuffle 512 MB - $99.

Apple's site can help.

As for songs...if you want to do it cheap, buy used CDs on Amazon.com ($5 or less including shipping) and import them. Otherwise, the iTunes music store is very easy to navigate. 99cents, but no monthly fees and you can Burn your CDS.

After a while, you won't be burning CDs anymore.

oneupper
09-15-2005, 11:17 AM
GAC....

I must add. You do NOT need an iPod to use iTunes and the iTunes Store.

You can download iTunes for FREE, use it import your CDs, or buy songs from the store.

You can burn CDs and mix and match stuff from your CDs and downloaded stuff.

You might want to start there.

GAC
09-15-2005, 11:19 AM
Thanks oneupper -that is what I thought. Why burn CDs when you can take the Pod with you that has it all.

How does it hook into your existing car stereo system? Do you have to have a newer system that has the capability? My cars simply have combo radio/cassette players.

GAC
09-15-2005, 11:22 AM
GAC....

I must add. You do NOT need an iPod to use iTunes and the iTunes Store.

You can download iTunes for FREE, use it import your CDs, or buy songs from the store.

You can burn CDs and mix and match stuff from your CDs and downloaded stuff.

You might want to start there.

I understand. But if I don't have an iPod, then all I can do is listen on my computer right? But that is free? The only time I pay a fee is if I want to burn it to CD or download to an iPod?

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 11:23 AM
Thanks Una. Can you also hook these iPods up in your car to play over your existing stereo system?Like oneupper, we have FM transmitters to play them through the car stereo or my son's boombox.

I've been considering the purchase of standalone battery-powered speakers to use to listen without headphones. It's also possible to plug computer speakers into the headphone jack for that purpose.

GAC
09-15-2005, 11:26 AM
So you're saying I would need to buy a separate FM transmitter with the capability to play the iPod - it can't be hooked up via my existing radio?

Here in Ohio - it is illegal to listen with headphones in the car while driving (I got stopped once for it ;) ).

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 11:28 AM
I understand. But if I don't have an iPod, then all I can do is listen on my computer right? But that is free? The only time I pay a fee is if I want to burn it to CD or download to an iPod?To listen to entire songs, you must pay for the download at the iTunes store. The only thing that's free is the iTunes software, the podcasts (http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/) and the 30-second samples that let you browse and preview songs before you pay to download.

Once you pay for and download music there, you can load it into the iPod or burn it onto a CD. I think you can only burn each song to CD 5 times.

If you have MP3s that you've acquired from your Kazaa days, you can upload or burn them at will with the iTunes software.

The software is free. Give it a try. I think you'll like it.

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 11:32 AM
So you're saying I would need to buy a separate FM transmitter with the capability to play the iPod - it can't be hooked up via my existing radio?The FM transmitter is a separate purchase. Many companies make transmitters that are smaller than the iPod. A few car stereo manufacturers make models that you can directly wire an iPod to.

You could also use a cassette adaptor to wire the iPod to the car stereo if the car stereo has a cassette player.

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 11:38 AM
They are gonna be mowing alot of yeards and other chores to earn them badboys and pay Dad back. ;)My kid saved up his allowance for months to get his iPod. He wasn't too pleased when I bought my nearly identical refurb for $40 less than he paid. :D

GAC
09-15-2005, 11:38 AM
You could also use a cassette adaptor to wire the iPod to the car stereo if the car stereo has a cassette player.

I have a couple of those that I use with portable CD players that I have bought, so as to listen to CD's in the car. Same thing? That is what I'd like to do with an IPod if I get one. That is where I would get the most use out of it - while in my car.

flyer85
09-15-2005, 11:43 AM
Yeah - the Yahoo was $5/month (if paid in one lump payment of $59), and then .79/download.

Maybe it was just the song(s) that my son was trying to download; but he told me that when he tried to burn them (using the Yahoo player provided), it said they didn't have burn rights to that song. Now I myself didn't see the actual message - I'm only going on what my son told me.

I'm going to get ahold of Yahoo support and see if that is right.there is no charge from Yahoo to download(other that the monthly subsription). The .79 is if you want to burn the song to a CD. If you are downloading and transferring to a compatible player there is no charge.

westofyou
09-15-2005, 11:44 AM
BTW there are cheaper MP3 players out there too, ones that sit on mac only formats.

Me?

I have a Rio.

oneupper
09-15-2005, 11:49 AM
Here is an example of a FM Transmitter (I think this one is for a mini-ipod)

http://www.xtrememac.com/adapters/airplay.shtml

put it on top of the pod...look for a frequency and you're done.

My next car will have (necessarily) an aux input to make this unnecessary.

paintmered
09-15-2005, 11:49 AM
You can wireless FM transmitters from 25-50 bucks. They basically plug into your cigarette lighter and your iPod and that's it.

You can also get a hardwire FM transmitter that you install beside your radio. The quality of sound you get with these is much better and they are also cheaper (around 20 bucks). The downside is, there's some installation involved.


I own an iriver and absolutely love it. When everyone on campus has an iPod, they aren't so distinguishing anymore.

oneupper
09-15-2005, 11:51 AM
there is no charge from Yahoo to download(other that the monthly subsription). The .79 is if you want to burn the song to a CD. If you are downloading and transferring to a compatible player there is no charge.

My understanding is that, like Napster, once you do not decide to renew your subscription that music becomes unplayable. Am I right?

If so...you are bonded for life.

I prefer to own my music...somehow.

paintmered
09-15-2005, 11:53 AM
My understanding is that, like Napster, once you do not decide to renew your subscription that music becomes unplayable. Am I right?

If so...you are bonded for life.

I prefer to own my music...somehow.

Yes, napster requires you to resync your player every few days. Rhapsody requires you to do it every month.

I have Rhapsody and other than there's some load time on my mp3 player due to the protected .wma format, you don't notice a difference. It's also lighter on the wallet.

oneupper
09-15-2005, 12:04 PM
I understand. But if I don't have an iPod, then all I can do is listen on my computer right? But that is free? The only time I pay a fee is if I want to burn it to CD or download to an iPod?

Sorry I hadn't answered this.

You pay a fee to download music from the store to your computer.

After that you can burn it to CDs as many times as you want (there are SOME limitations) OR transfer it to your ipod (if you choose to buy one). The music you transfer from your own CDs to your computer IS YOURS. You do not have to pay for that again and can burn it to CDs or put it on your pod.

What you CANT (or shouldn't do), is transfer YOUR songs to somebody else's computer (or ipod). That is the equivalent of file-sharing over the net (albeit much less detectable).

oneupper
09-15-2005, 12:06 PM
I have a couple of those that I use with portable CD players that I have bought, so as to listen to CD's in the car. Same thing? That is what I'd like to do with an IPod if I get one. That is where I would get the most use out of it - while in my car.

These should work. If the input is a stereo mini-jack (such as used for headphones).

redsrule2500
09-15-2005, 01:15 PM
GAC MyMusic is scam site.

There is no way to get past the 99 cent per song to own it thing.

Bit torrent is a cool program, look into it.

Oh and get the tape deck thing, FM Transmitters suck because of interference.

GAC
09-15-2005, 01:22 PM
Again - thanks everyone.

I just downloaded iTunes and have been kinda messing with it.

Did a search on the Beatles and what they provided is pretty limited (sucks).

Whenever I search on any particular Beatle song it comes up- but only by other artists, not the Beatles (who wants that? :lol: ).

Got to sample some old Paul Revere and Deep Purple though. ;)

I have a portable CD player that will play MP3 format. I bought it at Wal-Marts. It came with the cassette car adapter.

GAC
09-15-2005, 01:25 PM
You can wireless FM transmitters from 25-50 bucks. They basically plug into your cigarette lighter and your iPod and that's it.

You can also get a hardwire FM transmitter that you install beside your radio. The quality of sound you get with these is much better and they are also cheaper (around 20 bucks). The downside is, there's some installation involved.

But with the FM transmitter setup, don't you have to use headphones from the iPod -or will it play through your car stereo speakers?

paintmered
09-15-2005, 01:30 PM
But with the FM transmitter setup, don't you have to use headphones from the iPod -or will it play through your car stereo speakers?

It uses the headphone jack to connect to the FM transmitter.

If you use the wireless, the FM transmitter will broadcast over a frequency you can set and then you simply tune to that frequency on your radio.

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 02:01 PM
I have a couple of those that I use with portable CD players that I have bought, so as to listen to CD's in the car. Same thing? That is what I'd like to do with an IPod if I get one. That is where I would get the most use out of it - while in my car.That should work. Those adapters are a technology that hasn't changed in the last 20 years. :)

oneupper
09-15-2005, 02:02 PM
Again - thanks everyone.

I just downloaded iTunes and have been kinda messing with it.

Did a search on the Beatles and what they provided is pretty limited (sucks).

Whenever I search on any particular Beatle song it comes up- but only by other artists, not the Beatles (who wants that? :lol: ).

Got to sample some old Paul Revere and Deep Purple though. ;)

I have a portable CD player that will play MP3 format. I bought it at Wal-Marts. It came with the cassette car adapter.

Yep. Not everyone has been wooed over by Steve Jobs. The Beatles are notoriously absent, since they have trademark issues with Apple (Remember the Apple Label?).

Sony Music is apparently negotiating with Apple, since they were trying to impose their own format (without much success),and they do have quite a stable of artists. For now, nada.

No AC/DC, No Led Zepellin, to name a few.

Don't expect to get everything you want/like online. Some obscure stuff isn't available for download anywhere (legally).

Unassisted
09-15-2005, 02:05 PM
But with the FM transmitter setup, don't you have to use headphones from the iPod -or will it play through your car stereo speakers?Here's how those work:

FM transmitter plugs in to iPod headphone jack. (No headphones required.)
Music from iPod goes into transmitter.
Transmitter sends music on a specific frequency in the FM band.
Any nearby FM radio tuned to that frequency receives music from the transmitter.

GAC
09-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Here's how those work:

FM transmitter plugs in to iPod headphone jack. (No headphones required.)
Music from iPod goes into transmitter.
Transmitter sends music on a specific frequency in the FM band.
Any nearby FM radio tuned to that frequency receives music from the transmitter.

So it's alot like those old FM converters we use to buy 30+ years ago when they only installed AM radios in cars. :lol:

GAC
09-15-2005, 02:48 PM
Yep. Not everyone has been wooed over by Steve Jobs. The Beatles are notoriously absent, since they have trademark issues with Apple (Remember the Apple Label?).

Sony Music is apparently negotiating with Apple, since they were trying to impose their own format (without much success),and they do have quite a stable of artists. For now, nada.

No AC/DC, No Led Zepellin, to name a few.

Don't expect to get everything you want/like online. Some obscure stuff isn't available for download anywhere (legally).

Thats OK - I already have the Beatles and Led Zep catalogs already. But there is some older 60's music I'd like to pick up if possible. But it's mainly for the kids, and their tastes are more current, and the music is probably more readily available.