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Joseph
09-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Philadelphia
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
J. Rollins ss 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 .283
K. Lofton cf 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 .330
C. Utley 2b 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 .281
B. Abreu rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .293
P. Burrell lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
R. Howard 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
D. Bell 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .248
M. Liebrthal c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .254
V. Padilla p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .158



Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .247
R. Aurilia 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
J. Cruz 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238
R. Olmedo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .210
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .029

Joseph
09-23-2005, 08:25 PM
3-0 Phils, Top of the first, one down.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 08:27 PM
Harang doing a Milton?

Joseph
09-23-2005, 08:30 PM
No no, just doubles, not homers

Joseph
09-23-2005, 08:33 PM
1-2-3 bottom of the inning. End of 1, 3-0 Phillies

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2005, 08:38 PM
The game is on ESPN in the local area.

M2
09-23-2005, 08:47 PM
The game threads over the past three days have been moribund. I submit the news of DanO's pending return has knocked the wind out of Redszone.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 08:48 PM
I'd agree with that M2, it's like we know there's not much hope for next year with him back.

WVRedsFan
09-23-2005, 08:50 PM
The game threads over the past three days have been moribund. I submit the news of DanO's pending return has knocked the wind out of Redszone.

Yes. It sure ruined my week.

It's hard to be interested when you know that they are not even going to attempt to improve things and correct what's wrong.

It's also real inspiring to see a lineup of Jacob Cruz at first, Rey Olmedo at second, Aurilia at third and no WMP or EdE on a Friday night.

The 3 runs in the first may just stand up.

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 08:51 PM
These gamethreads were dead before the DanO announcement. It is the end of the season, the time for these types of threads are over.

TeamCasey
09-23-2005, 08:56 PM
The game is on ESPN in the local area.

Thank you! I didn't realize that! :thumbup:

M2
09-23-2005, 09:03 PM
These gamethreads were dead before the DanO announcement. It is the end of the season, the time for these types of threads are over.

On 9/20 we were still averaging well over 100 posts and close 1,500 page views per game thread. Sure things were slower than earlier in the season, but it was still an active thread day in and day out.

It wasn't until the DanO announcement two days ago that the game threads keeled over.

Doc. Scott
09-23-2005, 09:04 PM
Kearns doubles for the Reds' first baserunner.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:04 PM
Kearns dbls, Ray-Ray moves him over, Harang RBI GO.

3-1 Phils.

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 09:06 PM
On 9/20 we were still averaging well over 100 posts and close 1,500 page views per game thread. Sure things were slower than earlier in the season, but it was still an active thread day in and day out.

It wasn't until the DanO announcement two days ago that the game threads keeled over.

Prove it, you are just giving opinions that also could be all timing. It is the end of the season, these threads just die. Actually, I could just as much say that the decline started with the Astro sweep and has gone on since then.

Doc. Scott
09-23-2005, 09:08 PM
Get 'em over, get 'em in, just like Gary "Sarge" Matthews told the Baseball Bunch.

Olmedo grounds out to move Kearns over, then Harang brings the rib-eye with another GB.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:09 PM
Dunn called out and a horrible pitch, IMO.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 09:10 PM
On 9/20 we were still averaging well over 100 posts and close 1,500 page views per game thread. Sure things were slower than earlier in the season, but it was still an active thread day in and day out.

It wasn't until the DanO announcement two days ago that the game threads keeled over.

This team is about as thrilling as having your soft parts shaved with a jagged and rusty razor.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:10 PM
Dunn called out and a horrible pitch, IMO.

Its the ball pulled down 5 feet for a strike pitch.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 09:11 PM
Olmedo can do the little things :D

TeamCasey
09-23-2005, 09:11 PM
This team is about as thrilling as having your soft parts shaved with a jagged and rusty razor.

Ow! :laugh:

Doc. Scott
09-23-2005, 09:12 PM
Freel singles and Lopez walks, but Dunn ends the inning. 3-1 Phils after 3.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 09:23 PM
Dunn called out and a horrible pitch, IMO.

IYO, IMO, IJNO, IDO, In-Everybody's-O except the Umpire's.

Narron almost got himself run from the dugout after that Inning. Ridiculous strike call.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:25 PM
Miley got thrown out once in NY this year, but is that it? I firmly believe a manager needs to get run once every other month just to keep the fire going.

Doc. Scott
09-23-2005, 09:26 PM
Aurilia smacks a single leading off the fourth, but Valentin Caseys him out.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:27 PM
Utley homers, 4-1 bad guys

M2
09-23-2005, 09:28 PM
Prove it, you are just giving opinions that also could be all timing. It is the end of the season, these threads just die. Actually, I could just as much say that the decline started with the Astro sweep and has gone on since then.

Game thread date - posts, page views

9/9 - 174, 1,885
9/10 - 199, 1,044
9/11 - 41, 784
9/12 - 147, 1,685
9/13 - 199, 2,377
9/14 - 233, 2,218
9/16 - 156, 1,550
9/17 - 31, 466
9/18 - 111, 1,374
9/20 - 126, 1,497
9/21 - 57, 596
9/22 - 54, 835


Go ahead, explain to me what happened two day ago that suddenly made the game threads as dead as those on an NFL Sunday. Anything in particular happen with the team that day that comes to mind?

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:29 PM
I think tonight is the night that the Reds unleash Booker again.

:)

Doc. Scott
09-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Utley flogs homer #23 for the Phils. 4-1, bottom of 4.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:30 PM
Game thread date - posts, page views

9/9 - 174, 1,885
9/10 - 199, 1,044
9/11 - 41, 784
9/12 - 147, 1,685
9/13 - 199, 2,377
9/14 - 233, 2,218
9/16 - 156, 1,550
9/17 - 31, 466
9/18 - 111, 1,374
9/20 - 126, 1,497
9/21 - 57, 596
9/22 - 54, 835


Go ahead, explain to me what happened two day ago that suddenly made the game threads as dead as those on an NFL Sunday. Anything in particular happen with the team that day that comes to mind?

People finally realized the Reds stink and decided to do something else?

:evil:

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 09:32 PM
Game thread date - posts, page views

9/9 - 174, 1,885
9/10 - 199, 1,044
9/11 - 41, 784
9/12 - 147, 1,685
9/13 - 199, 2,377
9/14 - 233, 2,218
9/16 - 156, 1,550
9/17 - 31, 466
9/18 - 111, 1,374
9/20 - 126, 1,497
9/21 - 57, 596
9/22 - 54, 835


Go ahead, explain to me what happened two day ago that suddenly made the game threads as dead as those on an NFL Sunday. Anything in particular happen with the team that day that comes to mind?

The seasons over. Deal with it. The Reds aren't on a hot streak either which isn't going to garner as much interest than playing out the string. Blaming the lack of game thread interest on the DanO 'announcement' makes me want to laugh.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:35 PM
6-1 Phillies and Harang is still pitching...

Gallen5862
09-23-2005, 09:35 PM
How bad is our pitching tonight?

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 09:36 PM
How bad is our pitching tonight?

Could be worse

Could be Milton.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 09:36 PM
The seasons over. Deal with it. The Reds aren't on a hot streak either which isn't going to garner as much interest than playing out the string. Blaming the lack of game thread interest on the DanO 'announcement' makes me want to laugh.

What's wrong with you?

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:37 PM
How bad is our pitching tonight?

Bad enough to unleash Booker and see what he can do since he hasnt pitched in 48 2/3 days.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 09:37 PM
Could be worse

Could be Milton.

The Reds are saving Milton for tomorrow. :thumbup:

TeamCasey
09-23-2005, 09:39 PM
I lost faith this year. I still listened, but not as close. It's been a radio in the backyard while you do other stuff season.

Haven't watched much, haven't chatted much, haven't been very involved in game threads this season.

I just wish this front office would make me believe that they gave a rat's behind.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:39 PM
The Reds are saving Milton for tomorrow. :thumbup:

Don't remind me, I'm making tomorrow my last game of the season. Of course I've seen Milton pitch several times this year already and he's done well each time as I recall. I know one game was against the 'Stros early on and he pitched 7+ giving up only one run I think....could be wrong its been a while.

M2
09-23-2005, 09:40 PM
The seasons over. Deal with it. The Reds aren't on a hot streak either which isn't going to garner as much interest either. Blaming the lack of game thread interest on the DanO 'announcement' makes me want to laugh.

The season was over in May. Hell, if you want to be clinical about it, the season was terminal back in January. We still had active game threads up until two days ago.

You've got the numbers right in front of you there bright guy. YOU tell ME why they suddenly dropped off two days ago.

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 09:43 PM
The season was over in May. Hell, if you want to be clinical about it, the season was terminal back in January. We still had active game threads up until two days ago.

You've got the numbers right in front of you there bright guy. YOU tell ME why they suddenly dropped off two days ago.

Because the season is over AND they had been dropping since the Astro sweep. You hatred of DanO is making this seem rational, when it isn't.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:46 PM
6-1 Phils, Redlegs have the bases full, one out, FeLo at the plate in the bottom of the 5th.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 09:49 PM
Because the season is over AND they had been dropping since the Astro sweep. You hatred of DanO is making this seem rational, when it isn't.

Actually, we've seen a number of posters throw their hands up and quit paying attention to game threads since the Dan O'Brien coming back debacle...I mean "announcement".

Game thread involvement normally drops at the end of a bad season, sure. But the game threads fell off a cliff after the O'Brien announcement. Getting rid of the putz was one of the primary things we could look forward to late this season- and into the offseason. Hopefully a new ownership group can be found and punt his incompetent behind to the curb, but the thought of his coming back certainly has an impact on the current interest level.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:49 PM
RBI single FeLo!

6-3, still one out.

Gallen5862
09-23-2005, 09:50 PM
Way to go Felo.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:51 PM
RBI double for Dunn

6-4

two on, one out.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 09:51 PM
Dunn with an RBI double CRUSHED to RF. 6-4 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2005, 09:51 PM
Dunn doubles in a run. 6-4 Phils. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with only one out.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 09:53 PM
Come back time :D

M2
09-23-2005, 09:54 PM
Because the season is over AND they had been dropping since the Astro sweep. You hatred of DanO is making this seem rational, when it isn't.

No, what makes it rational is we had 100+ posts and 1,500 or so page views on a regular basis and suddenly two days ago when the DanO announcement got made the numbers collapsed.

I've got cause and effect right here in black and white. You've got some haywire agenda which apparently has nothing with the demonstrable facts of the matter.

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 09:54 PM
Actually, we've seen a number of posters throw their hands up and quit paying attention to game threads since the Dan O'Brien coming back debacle...I mean "announcement".

Game thread involvement normall drops at the end of a bad season, sure. But the game threads fell off a cliff after the O'Brien announcement. Getting rid of the putz was one of the primary things we could look forward to late this season- and into the offseason. Hopefully a new ownership group can be found and punt his incompetent behind to the curb, but the though of his coming back certainly has an impact on the current interest level.

:bang: :bang: :bang:

If those supposed fans thought he wasn't coming back after the pace of the sale, they were lost and I don't remember to many people after Augest thinking he was going to get canned. Most of the posts of the "Pre-DanO announcement" were by pbp, which IMO finally just stopped as the Reds played up and down. The number of posts other than that had already dropped. Trying to use a late September drop in posts during game threads is tied to DanO is nothing more than your hatred against DanO.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:54 PM
Bad baserunning by Dunn, good throw by Lofton, still RBI single for Aurilia.

6-5 Phils

One on, two out.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2005, 09:54 PM
Aurilia singles in a run.. 6-5 Phils. Dunn is thrown out going to 3rd.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 09:55 PM
Aurilia bloops a single into CF, scoring one. Dunn nailed at 3B by Lofton. Dunn should have stayed at 2B (he started late because he figured the ball might be caught). Pitching change. 6-5 Phils.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2005, 09:56 PM
Aaron Fultz coming in to pitch for the Phillies.

Gallen5862
09-23-2005, 09:58 PM
Lets make a comeback.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2005, 09:58 PM
Valentin flies out to end the inning. 6-5 Phils after 5.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 09:59 PM
6-5, end of 5

M2
09-23-2005, 09:59 PM
:bang: :bang: :bang:

Keep banging, maybe it'll knock some sense into you.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 10:00 PM
If those supposed fans thought he wasn't coming back after the pace of the sale, they were lost and I don't remember to many people after Augest thinking he was going to get canned. Most of the posts of the "Pre-DanO announcement" were by pbp, which IMO finally just stopped as the Reds played up and down. The number of posts other than that had already dropped. Trying to use a late September drop in posts during game threads is tied to DanO is nothing more than your hatred against DanO.

Oh, "supposed fans".

Didn't know that one had to be an apologist for an awful General Manager to be a "real" fan.

Most folks have been hoping beyond hope that O'Brien be canned for some time now. Remove much of that hope and you're going to find folks who are just pure fed up and disinterested due to the expectation that we'll see the same futility in the future we've seen from O'Brien in the past. Remove hope and you remove interest. Cause and effect. Happens with "real" fans too, unless those "real" fans have their heads stuck as deeply in the sand as you.

Aronchis
09-23-2005, 10:02 PM
Keep banging, maybe it'll knock some sense into you.

My forgivings on the bad remark, but acting self-rightous can get you in trouble in M2, lessen Steel better learn as well when things happen that don't support your bias.

pedro
09-23-2005, 10:04 PM
nuht- uh

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 10:08 PM
http://www.worthing.gov.uk/A-ZofServices/ServicesD-G/DogWardenService/ThePoopScoopLaws/image,7373,en.jpg

M2
09-23-2005, 10:08 PM
Or maybe get hit by a car and knock some reality in you.

Classy.

You're still running on empty here. You see you can come up with a zillion reasons for why game thread interest might drop in September, but what we've got here is a specific drop on a specific date where we all bloody well know what happened with the team. I have the luxury of facts and figures to back me up. You asked for proof and you got it in numbers that couldn't be more crystal clear.

For some reason this doesn't jibe with whatever fantasy runs on a loop in your head so you've chosen to pretend like it's not there. It is. You're wrong. Deal with it.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 10:08 PM
Home run J Cruz.

6 all in the sixth.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 10:08 PM
"Supposed Fan Score Update"

Cruz HR- tie ballgame 6-6

CTA513
09-23-2005, 10:09 PM
Cruz ties it up 6-6 on a solo homerun.

:)

Joseph
09-23-2005, 10:11 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I appreciate the hustle I'm seeing from these guys still, even though the seasons done.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 10:13 PM
Reds will make a run for 80 wins. ;)

M2
09-23-2005, 10:14 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I appreciate the hustle I'm seeing from these guys still, even though the seasons done.

Same here. While the Reds haven't been a good club for five years, they've generally been a hard-working club.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 10:14 PM
Larue just took a dump on the Phillies playoff hopes.

8-6 Reds.

:)

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 10:15 PM
Jason Larue PH 2-run BOMB. 8-6 Reds!

Wow, was that ball crushed to deep Left Center.

Gainesville Red
09-23-2005, 10:17 PM
Can we not get into the "Real Fan" thing again?

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 10:19 PM
Can we not get into the "Real Fan" thing again?

Phony.

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Can we not get into the "Real Fan" thing again?

Are you the authentic Gainesville Red or just a reasonable facsimile?

M2
09-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Can we not get into the "Real Fan" thing again?

All right, how about this instead?

religion, religion, religion

politics, politics, politics

Gallen5862
09-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Lets win this game.

Gainesville Red
09-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Are you the authentic Gainesville Red or just a reasonable facsimile?

The best there ever was, the best there ever will be. Actually a facsimilie, however, I'm really even sure if I'd say I'm even that reasonable a facsimilie. I mean, there is a guy that drives a Yukon with a Reds plate on the front of it that I see every once in a while. He might really be "Gainesville Red." He's got a lot nicer vehichle than me, maybe he's more authentic. I've never met him. :dunno:

Chip R
09-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Are you guys actually arguing about whether or not the interest in the game threads have dropped off after Allen announced that DanO was coming back?

M2
09-23-2005, 10:31 PM
Are you guys actually arguing about whether or not the interest in the game threads have dropped off after Allen announced that DanO was coming back?

Oddly it's upped the page views and post count for this thread. Go figure.

Patrick Bateman
09-23-2005, 10:32 PM
Are you guys actually arguing about whether or not the interest in the game threads have dropped off after Allen announced that DanO was coming back?

Well, it's either that or arguing about whether M2 really does wear women's lingerie under his suit. :lol:

Joseph
09-23-2005, 10:33 PM
It looks good on him though, can't argue that. :)

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 10:33 PM
Do you want to see the photos again?

:help:

M2
09-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Well, it's either that or arguing about whether M2 really does wear women's lingerie under his suit. :lol:

Hey, I don't ...

damn these garters, they're chaffing me something fierce

Hey, I don't wear suits.

Patrick Bateman
09-23-2005, 10:35 PM
It looks good on him though, can't argue that. :)

Toooooooooooo much information.

What you do in your spare time is your business.

Patrick Bateman
09-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Hey, I don't wear suits.....

Oh, I forgot.................

Under his pantsuit....... :lol:

M2
09-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Oh, I forgot.................

Under his pantsuit....... :lol:

Hellllooooo, pleather miniskirt and spandex tube top

Patrick Bateman
09-23-2005, 10:41 PM
Hellllooooo, miniskirt and spandex tube top


Well, no one is arguing why the posts are down now.

Of course, we are all physically ill now.

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:41 PM
What's a suit?

CTA513
09-23-2005, 10:41 PM
Kearns just stomped on the phillies hearts. (solo homerun)

9-6 Reds

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:42 PM
Damn, I sat kearns tonight.

Chip R
09-23-2005, 10:42 PM
Well, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't about anything silly.

Damn, Kearns hit the living crap out of that one. Went off the top of the batter's eye.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Olmedo just his first major league homerun!

10-6 Reds

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Olmedo!!!!!

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:44 PM
I have a direct feed from my Box upstairs, right as the inning started my wife changed the channel.

I missed the good stuff.

missionhockey21
09-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Quick, someone call the 'Roids police. ;)

M2
09-23-2005, 10:45 PM
A night like this a manager should turn to his club and say, "Swing from your heels boys."

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 10:45 PM
The Phillies are really in the hunt? ;)

pedro
09-23-2005, 10:47 PM
BTW- the reason I'm not listening is because I've already gotten Marty to call me a "boob", what else is there to accomplish?

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:48 PM
BTW- the reason I'm not listening is because I've already gotten Marty to call me a "boob", what else is there to accomplish?

I was at the Hedge House earlier.

pedro
09-23-2005, 10:49 PM
I was at the Hedge House earlier.

and I will be there soon. I was out on a walk.

Patrick Bateman
09-23-2005, 10:49 PM
A night like this a manager should turn to his club and say, "Swing from your heels boys."

Heels??????????????????

Com'on M2, give it up.

No one wants to hear about your cross dressing. You know Griffey has the bad ankle. He's having trouble getting into his sneakers, and you want him in his high heels?

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 10:52 PM
and I will be there soon. I was out on a walk.

Don't you guys have your drinking schedules down?

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Travis Hafner in the last week

Plus he has a HR today.


H/AB H HR RBI TB OBP SLG

11/24 11 6 16 32 .594 1.333

oneupper
09-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Hey, is anyone else listening to the Phillies announcers?

The pbp guys sounds like the voice who does This Week in the NFL (or whatever its called on ESPN). Is it the same guy?

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Don't you guys have your drinking schedules down?

I had to pick up the wife, he's single he's slate is open.

Chip R
09-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Hey, is anyone else listening to the Phillies announcers?

The pbp guys sounds like the voice who does This Week in the NFL (or whatever its called on ESPN). Is it the same guy?
Yeah, it is. It's Harry Kalas.

oneupper
09-23-2005, 10:56 PM
Yeah, it is. It's Harry Kalas.

Well, he's really easy to listen to.

westofyou
09-23-2005, 10:57 PM
Yeah, it is. It's Harry Kalas.

Harry is one of the greats, he also wouldn't tell you that..... which makes him even better.

Chip R
09-23-2005, 10:57 PM
Damn, I sat kearns tonight.
Damn, I sat Olmedo tonight. ;)

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 10:57 PM
I had to pick up the wife, he's single he's slate is open.

My brother lives in La Jolla, CA; while he's dealing with patients at UCSD I'm gettin' blitzed. Then I call him when I'm good and stewed. :)

M2
09-23-2005, 11:00 PM
My brother lives in La Jolla, CA

It must be tough dealing with the rampant poverty there.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:00 PM
Yeah, it is. It's Harry Kalas.

I want his voice.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:01 PM
It must be tough dealing with the rampant poverty there.

Really. He and I have strikingly different worldviews. Shocker.

westofyou
09-23-2005, 11:03 PM
Right now Adam Dunn is the only MLB player in history to have 90 walks, 90 RBI's , 90 BB and an average under .250.

For his next trick he'll pound a nail in his nostril and hang something heavy from it.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 11:05 PM
The only player ever?

Wow...he IS special :D

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:08 PM
Man, is Rheal Cormier like the worst pitcher in history seeing regular action on a contender?

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:10 PM
Is Lofton still without his scuzzstache? He needs to grow it back if the Phils want any chance.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:11 PM
The pitching just flat out stinks tonight for both teams

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:13 PM
see?

Kc61
09-23-2005, 11:14 PM
Weathers hasn't been up to par in recent outings.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:14 PM
Utley with another HR. I'm 99.9% disappointed, but he is on my fantasy team.

Did I just say that? Shoot me now.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:15 PM
Abreu gets rung up on a pitch that wasn't even close

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:15 PM
Abreu tossed -- that pitch looked a little low...I understand his argument

Reds get a freebie :D

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:16 PM
Abreu tossed after he's called out on strikes.

4 strikes outs for Abreu. Mark that one down kiddies, it doesn't happen often.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:16 PM
Abreu gets rung up on a pitch that wasn't even close

The umps don't want this baby going to extras.

oneupper
09-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Abreu's got a legit beef. I thought only Clemens got those calls.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Manuel tossed now.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:18 PM
We've got ourselves some fireworks!! :bash: :starwars: :rant2: :duel:

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:18 PM
One call - three Phillies

Good ratio.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:20 PM
2 down now. Ryan Howard up. Reds lead 10-9

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:21 PM
Please get a real closer this offseason - Weathers is too shaky

Thanks.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:22 PM
Runner at first after the walk to Howard.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:23 PM
Weathers looks like he is in a hurry tonight

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Oops.

Sure glad DanO's still in charge

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Weathers looks more like a pile of dog crap to me...

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Bell with a 2 run homer. 11-10 Phils.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Cancel the rest of the Reds games this year.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:26 PM
Is it strange that they've been talking about the big blown save back in May all night long?

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:26 PM
Weathers looks more like a pile of dog crap to me...Weathers is what he is ... an average middle relief pitcher. A closer or back end of the pen pitcher he is not.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:27 PM
Contenders contend; losers lose.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:28 PM
Contenders contend; losers lose.... and now we get to watch a real closer.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:28 PM
Wagner in, of course. Kearns up first.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:29 PM
Weathers is what he is ... an average middle relief pitcher. A closer or back end of the pen pitcher he is not.

Very true. I like him in the pen....just not in this role. I'm fine with him returning next season

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:29 PM
Just highlights how far away the Reds are.

They have NO back end of the bullpen and NO front end of the rotation.

Kc61
09-23-2005, 11:32 PM
Only a week left of this nonsense.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:32 PM
Just highlights how far away the Reds are.

They have NO back end of the bullpen and NO front end of the rotation.

I know the rotation is a turd, but I honestly believe the bullpen is in worse shape. None of the young arms in that pen does a damn thing for me.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 11:33 PM
Reds choke on ESPN.

:ughmamoru

SteelSD
09-23-2005, 11:33 PM
Oh, man. That was funny stuff.

David Weathers smoke just smashed into his mirrors.

ochre
09-23-2005, 11:33 PM
Iron Pyrite pitching.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 11:33 PM
Only a week left of this nonsense.

It will return next season.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:34 PM
but I honestly believe the bullpen is in worse shape. None of the young arms in that pen does a damn thing for me.just a bunch of middle and long relief candidates, that's it. Not a bat misser in sight.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:35 PM
It will return next season.... as long as DanO is around. I would say the hallmark of his tenure is an unwillingness to admit a mistake.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2005, 11:36 PM
The Reds officially have a 5th straight losing season.

So proud.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 11:37 PM
I hope this game was fixed... if not please bulldoze the Reds stadium.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 11:38 PM
The Reds officially have a 5th straight losing season.

So proud.
Business as usual

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:39 PM
I hope this game was fixedPete, where are you. :D

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:41 PM
Business as usualand it will get worse. Prediction: DanO will destroy the future in the off-season.

Bob Borkowski
09-23-2005, 11:42 PM
Game thread date - posts, page views

9/9 - 174, 1,885
9/10 - 199, 1,044
9/11 - 41, 784
9/12 - 147, 1,685
9/13 - 199, 2,377
9/14 - 233, 2,218
9/16 - 156, 1,550
9/17 - 31, 466
9/18 - 111, 1,374
9/20 - 126, 1,497
9/21 - 57, 596


Go ahead, explain to me what happened two day ago that suddenly made the game threads as dead as those on an NFL Sunday. Anything in particular happen with the team that day that comes to mind?

As I type this: posts 156 and page views 1344...kinda normal.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:42 PM
and it will get worse. Prediction: DanO will destroy the future in the off-season.

I smell a Dunn for Aaron Heilman straight-up deal, right out of the chute.

oneupper
09-23-2005, 11:42 PM
This one hurt the Astros more than it did the Reds.

CTA513
09-23-2005, 11:43 PM
Pete, where are you. :D

Fans shoudnt have to suffer through this crap every year.

KronoRed
09-23-2005, 11:45 PM
As I type this: posts 156 and page views 1344...kinda normal.

But half those posts were arguing over the other threads :D

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:46 PM
I smell a Dunn for Aaron Heilman straight-up deal, right out of the chute.If he trades Dunn that is about all he will get. Dunn is no longer cheap and that severely limits the trade market and his trade value.

I really have no clue what DanO will do, however, I am confident in his ability to screw it up. Looking at his track record there is certainly no reason for optimism.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:48 PM
Fans shoudnt have to suffer through this crap every year.

No playoffs in a decade, only one reall sniff of them in that time.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:49 PM
No playoffs in a decade, only one reall sniff of them in that time.... we have been sniffing something, I think most fans are tired of the stench.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2005, 11:49 PM
If he trades Dunn that is about all he will get. Dunn is no longer cheap and that severely limits the trade market and his trade value.

I really have no clue what DanO will do, however, I am confident in his ability to screw it up. Looking at his track record there is certainly no reason for optimism.

There are about 10 teams who could easily afford Dunn. I think DanO's going to want to nab a starter by looking more clever than the next guy. Heilman's the kind of fool's gold that he'd fall for as starting material.

Joseph
09-23-2005, 11:51 PM
... we have been sniffing something, I think most fans are tired of the stench.

You got that right pal.

flyer85
09-23-2005, 11:53 PM
There are about 10 teams who could easily afford Dunn. That is true but I think the market will be much smaller. What drives up the price is having multiple bidders, which I think will be lacking. OFs are an undervalued commodity in the trade market, especially expensive ones.

capndees
09-24-2005, 12:29 AM
My forgivings on the bad remark, but acting self-rightous can get you in trouble in M2, lessen Steel better learn as well when things happen that don't support your bias.

I'm not too familiar with your posts, but I don't recall you posting anything here too irrational. In other words, I can't remember any of the regulars being too over-the-top stubborn here lately.

Just a bad night tonight?

Aronchis
09-24-2005, 12:38 AM
Weathers has been overused and he was due for a "return" to career norms type streak, he had been much to hot in Augest. You can cry about the rotation all you want, but even during the glory days of the 99-03 bullpen, what happened to the BP through the season, they wore out.

M2, was crying like a baby over gamethreads of a dead team that is just playing out the string because DanO plays caretaker for another year while the sale goes down. Dunn getting traded? Not a chance. DanO has little trade power. If anything, Lindner will give him another chance in the FA market to boost value and his reputation. You better hope for better than we got this year.

M2
09-24-2005, 12:40 AM
As I type this: posts 156 and page views 1344...kinda normal.

My expectation was that the reaction would only be temporary. Like I said way back on the first page, that announcement seemed to have kicked the wind out of Redszone. That's not a permanent condition. Unlike the guy I was jawing with, I don't think fans have abandoned the team. I think they were left a little dumbfounded is all.

Through three innings today this thread was comatose. Then we get a little feisty, the Reds score a pile of runs on some massive homers, lose thanks to some equally massive homers and, voila, you've got your normal game thread. Does this mark a return to normalcy, where a big, active board gets involved in the game threads? It might though it's too early to say if people have finished swallowing all of that horse pill.

KittyDuran
09-24-2005, 12:44 AM
Just got back from the game.... :rant2: Oh well, no use crying over a lost season. I won't go back and read the thread, it was depressing enough in person. Did see some great HRs [but didn't like the last two :thumbdown ].

Will be going tomorrow night and Sunday. Milton pitching tomorrow - what will be the final tally on HRs given up I wonder??? :p:

M2
09-24-2005, 12:49 AM
M2, was crying like a baby over gamethreads of a dead team that is just playing out the string because DanO plays caretaker for another year while the sale goes down.

All I did was comment on the rather obvious fact that this board got knocked back on its heels a bit by the DanO announcement. Once again, you asked for proof. It was laid out for you in plain, unmistakable terms.

That it doesn't jibe with your defeatist attitude ain't my problem.

Cyclone792
09-24-2005, 12:58 AM
Just got back from the game.... :rant2: Oh well, no use crying over a lost season. I won't go back and read the thread, it was depressing enough in person. Did see some great HRs [but didn't like the last two :thumbdown ].

Will be going tomorrow night and Sunday. Milton pitching tomorrow - what will be the final tally on HRs given up I wonder??? :p:

Tonight was my last game of the season in person, but I wanted to make sure I got down there tonight since I'm tied up tomorrow and Sunday. But geeze, you're not kidding about depressing. I think the top of the 9th was the second worst inning of this entire season, behind only Graves' infamous blowup against St. Louis, and it sort of symbolized our entire season.

One more win in person this season was all I asked for ... but ... :bang:

redsrule2500
09-24-2005, 12:58 AM
This one hurt the Astros more than it did the Reds.

Thank You. :thumbup:

SteelSD
09-24-2005, 01:05 AM
My forgivings on the bad remark, but acting self-rightous can get you in trouble in M2, lessen Steel better learn as well when things happen that don't support your bias.

You've backed lame horses all year. You're the chief Dan O'Brien apologist on the board. You say inaccurate things like the following all the time:


Weathers has been overused...

David Weathers 1998-2005:

1998- 110.0 Innings Pitched
1999- 93.0 IP
2000- 76.1 IP
2001- 86.0 IP
2002- 77.1 IP
2003- 87.2 IP
2004- 82.1 IP
2005- 75.2 IP

David Weathers hasn't pitched so few Innings since 1997 (19 games). In fact, while healthy, 2005 represents the fewest Innings Pitched David Weathers has ever recorded as a reliever. If you want lessons on bias, you'll want to look at your own behavior of finding completely illogical things to say in order to attempt to wash away poor performance. And yes, extends to your incoherent backing of ridiculously bad Front Office machinations.

In short, you reside in an exceptionally brittle glass house, Aronchis. Don't think that your bias isn't absolute and blindingly evident. It's also led you down paths you can't see and caused you to argue points you can't support all season long. Knock off the stone throwing.

TeamBoone
09-24-2005, 01:07 AM
If you think we are depressed as fans, think about how the team must feel. More often than not, the offense has held up its end in 2005. More often than not, the pitching has not. I am so damned sick of not having adequate pitching!

capndees
09-24-2005, 01:10 AM
Kearns went 3-4 with 4 runs tonight.

Since Aug. 15 he is hitting .257/.377/.540, with 8 HR and 28 RBI in only 32 games (thats 40 HR and 140 RBI over a full season). His average is a little low, but the more important categories of OBP and SLG are good.

I'm still hanging on a few possible bright spots for 2006; one of them is the resurgence of Austin Kearns.

WVRedsFan
09-24-2005, 03:46 AM
If you think we are depressed as fans, think about how the team must feel. More often than not, the offense has held up its end in 2005. More often than not, the pitching has not. I am so damned sick of not having adequate pitching!

That's the RedsZone quote of the year TB. I'm damned sick of it too, but Allen's comment that DanO has done a good job means more Miltons and Webers and less pitching.

Wonder when cheap ever means good? Just asking.

One more thing. What ever possesed Narron to stay with Weathers? He had nothing. I'll nver understand the mindset of managers who throw a guy out there just because (many words can be put here..."he's our closer," or "he's be rock solid this year," or "he takes my laundry to the cleaners") and stays with him until it's too late. What gives.

If ever I rooted for Narron to get another contract, that ended tonight. sure, the game meant nothing to the Reds, but it was a dad gum ball game. You don't go out to lose especially after a comeback like that.

Shameful.

And Narron in my world is a dead man walking.

My fireproof suit is on so flame away.

Just inexcusable. I may not sleep tonight thinking about this. How in hades do you let a guy give up five runs to lose? We've seen it from nearly every manager we've had here in the last few years, but why? Why?

I'd have fired the SOB at the completion of the game. Yes, i'm George Steinberger only I'm worse.

And Tracy Jones can kiss me where the sun don't shine. His shameless politicking for Narron to get the permanent job is second only to his politicking for Miley to keep his job.

KronoRed
09-24-2005, 04:26 AM
We're a headline story on espn.com

I know I'm proud

TeamBoone
09-24-2005, 12:09 PM
sure, the game meant nothing to the Reds, but it was a dad gum ball game.

I heard Hal McCoy and Marty saying the same thing, and it made me angry, because I bet it still means something to our Reds to finish the season strong. As weird as it may seem, I firmly believe they still have some pride... as a team and as men.

I'm not ragging on you WVRF because I agree with your post. I just don't like that phrase.... not because you said it, but because everyone says it when a team is out of the hunt.

I'm in a bad mood... sorry.

Chip R
09-24-2005, 01:04 PM
Please get a real closer this offseason - Weathers is too shaky

Thanks.
Regardless of what happened last night, the Reds need an elite closer about as much as they need another OFer. What good is a real closer going to do with the rest of the pitching staff the way it is? Save 20 games? Weathers could do that. Coffey, Belisle, Shackleford and Mercker could all do that. This is what they mean by saves being overrated. It's not fun to see a save blown like that but it happens from time to time. This season wasn't lost because Weathers has blown the last 3 of 4 save opportunities - or however many he's blown - it was lost when Wilson, Ortiz and Milton started serving up gopher balls on a regular basis. Graves sucked but he was a convenient scapegoat. All the baseball people said last off season how the Reds needed to fix the bullpen. About the only thing they did to fix it was bring in Weathers and Mercker. The rotation needed to be fixed more than the bullpen did. Same goes this offseason. If the Reds are serious about contending, they cannot stand pat. They can't rely on Wilson to come back. Even if Ortiz is re-signed they surely can't rely on him to be any good. Same with Milton. If they don't re-sign Ortiz, you can't rely on Josh Hancock or Matt Belisle. They will probably be better than Ortiz but at best they are going to go through some rough outings. I'd be satisfied if they said that they were just going to stand pat and try to develop the young guys rather than blow a big wad of money on another Milton or a closer who may save a few more games than our current bunch.

I'm not saying that these guys are always right but some of the posters on here (M2, Steel, WOY, Chili, etc.) have been pretty darn accurate in their evaluations of the front office transactions - drafts, trades, free agent pickups, etc - over the past few years. Rarely have they missed the mark by a lot with their evaluations. They are right a helluva lot more than they are wrong which is more than I can say for DanO and company.

WVRedsFan
09-24-2005, 01:19 PM
I heard Hal McCoy and Marty saying the same thing, and it made me angry, because I bet it still means something to our Reds to finish the season strong. As weird as it may seem, I firmly believe they still have some pride... as a team and as men.

I'm not ragging on you WVRF because I agree with your post. I just don't like that phrase.... not because you said it, but because everyone says it when a team is out of the hunt.

I'm in a bad mood... sorry.

NO, I agree with you. I'm in a pretty bad mood too. And it was worse last night. :( I do think it means something to the players, but you have to wonder what it meant to Narron for him to leave a guy with nothing in the game and watch him allow 5 runs. I would have pulled him after it got to 10-9, but these modern managers...they drive me nuts with their closer mentality

Falls City Beer
09-24-2005, 03:39 PM
I'm still hanging on a few possible bright spots for 2006; one of them is the resurgence of Austin Kearns.

We say this every year. And I used to agree with this thinking. The guy, for whatever reason, just can't seem to adjust to the rigors of 162 games.

Dunn's fizzle the last 30 days is probably another incarnation of poor conditioning and wearing down.

Fewer pizzas and some teammates like A-Rod could probably shame some mojo into these guys.

westofyou
09-24-2005, 04:04 PM
Dunn's fizzle the last 30 days is probably another incarnation of poor conditioning and wearing down.


Dunn has yet to have a good September, Joe Morgan either.

Falls City Beer
09-24-2005, 05:05 PM
Dunn has yet to have a good September, Joe Morgan either.

With the crap pitching the Reds have faced the last 30 days, there's really no reason for his struggles this September. More raw carrots, fewer platesful of Hamburger Helper.

M2
09-24-2005, 10:27 PM
With the crap pitching the Reds have faced the last 30 days, there's really no reason for his struggles this September. More raw carrots, fewer platesful of Hamburger Helper.

That's a legit complaint. Dunn puts a lot of energy into being a good baseball player and he needs to match that with a similar drive to be a better athlete.