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cumberlandreds
09-26-2005, 07:42 PM
Live! From Miller Park Its Monday Night Baseball featuring Ray Olmedo playing 2nd base tonight!


Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .269
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
A. Dunn 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .282
W. Pena cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .260
E. Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .223
R. Olmedo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .227
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .080
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Milwaukee
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
B. Clark cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
R. Weeks 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
L. Overbay 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279
C. Lee lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
G. Jenkins rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
B. Hall ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
R. Branyan 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .254
D. Miller c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
T. Ohka p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .118
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 08:17 PM
Well, Wily Mo must be happy... ;)

Chip R
09-26-2005, 08:20 PM
Well, Wily Mo must be happy... ;)

And we all know who isn't

:aurilia:

cumberlandreds
09-26-2005, 08:22 PM
Well, Wily Mo must be happy... ;)

But I betcha Aurilia is not! ;) Seems like if you complain about playing time it automatically gets you a start with this team.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:39 PM
Freel reaches on a fielding error by Weeks.

Heath
09-26-2005, 08:42 PM
wow-6:35pm start in Milwaukee tonight - awful early if you ask me...must be Oktoberfest in Brewtown tonight.... :D

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:43 PM
Lopez walks, Freel to 2nd.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:45 PM
Dunn grounds into a double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:48 PM
Kearns strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Clark flies out. 1 out.

cumberlandreds
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
The Nats and Jim Bowden gave away a pretty good starting pitcher in Ohka. Robinson couldn't get along with him and instead of Bowden telling him to work it out he gave him away for Junior Spivey.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Weeks strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:56 PM
Overbay grounds out. 3 outs.

No score after 1 inning.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 08:58 PM
Valentin Homers!

1-0 Reds.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:00 PM
Pena lines out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:01 PM
Encarnacion strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:02 PM
Olmedo grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:04 PM
Lee grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:05 PM
Jenkins singles.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
Hall triples, Jenkins scores.

1-1 tie game... that sure didnt take long.

:/

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:09 PM
Branyan homers.

3-1 Brewers.

cincyinco
09-26-2005, 09:09 PM
I <3 Ortiz

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:10 PM
Miller grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:11 PM
Ohka grounds out. 3 outs.

3-1 Brewers after 2 innings.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:13 PM
I <3 Ortiz

The Reds cant wait to resign him this offseason. :evil:

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:14 PM
Ortiz strikes out. 1 out.

flyer85
09-26-2005, 09:15 PM
The Reds cant wait to resign him this offseason. :evil:Sadly, with DanO in charge it is a distinct possibility.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:16 PM
Freel strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:17 PM
Lopez with an infield hit.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:19 PM
Dunn strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Clark flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:23 PM
Weeks grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:25 PM
Overbay walks.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:26 PM
Lee grounds out. 3 outs.

3-1 Brewers after 3 innings.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:29 PM
Kearns grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:31 PM
Valentin singles.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:33 PM
Pena Homers!

3-3 tie game.

LincolnparkRed
09-26-2005, 09:35 PM
Pena Homers!

3-3 tie game.

Thanks for doing this CTA!!

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:36 PM
Encarnacion walks.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:39 PM
Olmedo strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:41 PM
Ortiz flies out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:44 PM
Jenkins walks.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:45 PM
Hall singles, Jenkins to 2nd.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:49 PM
Branyan strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:51 PM
Miller singles, Jenkins scores.

4-3 Brewers.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:55 PM
Ohka bunts in front of the plate, Valentin looks the runner back and throws to 1st.
Runner on 3rd comes home and scores. 2 outs.

5-3 Brewers.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 09:57 PM
Clark grounds out. 3 outs.

5-3 Brewers after 4 innings.

KronoRed
09-26-2005, 09:59 PM
And we all know who isn't

:aurilia:

And that is why it's a great lineup :D

Reds Nd2
09-26-2005, 10:00 PM
With a runner on third and Encarnacion trying to field the bunt, why was Lopez going to cover 2B?

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:00 PM
Freel singles.

KronoRed
09-26-2005, 10:00 PM
Anyone on the board still think we should bring Ortiz back?

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:02 PM
Freel picked off 1st. 1 out.

:/

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:03 PM
Lopez grounds out. 2 outs.

cumberlandreds
09-26-2005, 10:03 PM
Anyone on the board still think we should bring Ortiz back?

I don't but I bet DanO does. At least it wouldn't be a surprise to me if he comes back.

Reds Nd2
09-26-2005, 10:04 PM
Or a better question, why didn't Enacarnacion stay at 3B and hold the runner. Ortiz and Valentin should have been the ones fielding the bunt.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:05 PM
Dunn singles.

KronoRed
09-26-2005, 10:08 PM
Keep that AVG below 250 Dunn..it will be historic :D

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:11 PM
Kearns with a 12 pitch walk.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:12 PM
Valentin grounds out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:15 PM
Weeks flies out. 1 out.

Joseph
09-26-2005, 10:16 PM
5-3, going to the bottom of the 5th.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:17 PM
Overbay flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:17 PM
Lee flies out. 3 outs.

5-3 Brewers after 5 innings.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:21 PM
Pena strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:23 PM
Encarnacion doubles.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:24 PM
Olmedo grounds out, Encarnacion to 3rd. 2 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:26 PM
Denorfia pinch hitting for Ortiz.

Denorfia strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:28 PM
Shackelford into pitch the 6th.

CTA513
09-26-2005, 10:30 PM
Jenkins homers.

6-3 Brewers.

RedsIn07
09-26-2005, 10:56 PM
Go EdE!!!
7-6 Reds

lollipopcurve
09-26-2005, 10:59 PM
How does Marty like Edwin now?

That was a professional at-bat.

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 11:03 PM
I hope the Reds get more runs - I hate a close game against the Brewers in Milwaukee... :(

LincolnparkRed
09-26-2005, 11:25 PM
why would Narron leave Mercker in to pitch to Carlos Lee? 7-7 for those who are wondering

Joseph
09-26-2005, 11:29 PM
2 on, 1 out, top of 9 7-7

KronoRed
09-26-2005, 11:33 PM
How does Marty like Edwin now?

That was a professional at-bat.

I'm sure Super Randa would have done it better

Matt700wlw
09-26-2005, 11:35 PM
I'm sure Super Randa would have done it better

He doesn't dislike him, he just doesn't think he's ready to be in the big leagues yet

Matt700wlw
09-26-2005, 11:45 PM
What an awful pitching matchup tonight

CTA513
09-26-2005, 11:45 PM
The Reds dont know how to hold a lead... just call the game now.

SteelSD
09-26-2005, 11:47 PM
Todd Coffey has now allowed 83 Hits in 57.1 Innings Pitched.

Chris Welsh believes this to be a real bright point for 2005.

I don't.

KronoRed
09-26-2005, 11:48 PM
I loath the brewers

Falls City Beer
09-26-2005, 11:49 PM
Todd Coffey has now allowed 83 Hits in 57.1 Innings Pitched.

Chris Welsh believes this to be a real bright point for 2005.

I don't.

Dude's got a .870 OPSA. :bang:

CTA513
09-26-2005, 11:53 PM
Turnbow will shut down the Reds in the 9th to get the Brewers back to .500.

:)

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 11:55 PM
At least it's not as bad as Friday night's fiasco... :(

SteelSD
09-26-2005, 11:56 PM
Dude's got a .870 OPSA. :bang:

That can't be right.

Aren't the Reds supposed to be just a single starting pitcher away from contention?

Riiiiighhhht...

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 11:56 PM
I loath the brewersHey! The Reds have 3 more games with them... ;)

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 11:59 PM
At least it's not as bad as Friday night's fiasco... :(Take that back - IT is as bad as Friday night... :bang:

KittyDuran
09-26-2005, 11:59 PM
Well, I got to get to bed... :thumbup:

CTA513
09-27-2005, 12:00 AM
Is Chris Booker dead?

Matt700wlw
09-27-2005, 12:00 AM
The crumbling continues.

Watching the Bengals lately is really making me fed up with this organization. Sickening almost.

For the love of God, if Mike Brown can figure it out, ANYBODY should be able to figure it out!

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:01 AM
12-9 Brewers [who have scored 5 times and are still batting in the B8]. Reds have used 3 pitchers in this inning - Coffey, Belisle and Valentine.

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:03 AM
Todd Coffey has now allowed 83 Hits in 57.1 Innings Pitched.

Chris Welsh believes this to be a real bright point for 2005.

I don't.The Reds entire pen is filled with guys who should only pitch on the front of the pen and not the back.

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:04 AM
Is Chris Booker dead?2 bad outings and he might as well be. Being lower on the pecking order than Valentine is beyond deceased.

WVRedsFan
09-27-2005, 12:04 AM
Is Chris Booker dead?

Nope. It's just Narron trying to pad the win-loss record with his "veterans" so he can come back to this mess next year.

We need an entire new pitching staff, less Claussen and Harang IMHO.

SteelSD
09-27-2005, 12:04 AM
The Reds entire pen is filled with guys who should only pitch on the front of the pen and not the back.

...in Louisville.

SteelSD
09-27-2005, 12:05 AM
When the Pinch Runner bats after scoring a Run, you know you've got yourself a very bad bullpen.

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:07 AM
...in Louisville.or lower.

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:08 AM
We need an entire new pitching staff, less Claussen and Harang IMHO.the problem is the people in charge don't see it that way. They have deluded themselves into thinking these guys can pitch.

Aronchis
09-27-2005, 12:13 AM
The bullpen is simply fatigued. They weren't pitching this way a month ago, when your starters can't go enough innings, you wear down your bullpen. This isn't the first, nor the last time the Reds will be associated with these types of slumps intill they can get more innings from the starters, which may take years to fix.

Joseph
09-27-2005, 12:14 AM
I don't think there is enough transaction wire to cover everything we need to do with this staff.

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:14 AM
Turnbow in to pitch for the Brewers... T9
EE out on strikes

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:15 AM
The bullpen is simply fatigued. the pen contains only mediocre to bad pitchers. There isn't a real keeper in the bunch. On good teams all these guys at their best would be fighting for the last 2 spots on the team.

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:16 AM
Olmedo walks

KronoRed
09-27-2005, 12:16 AM
Could be worse

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:17 AM
Cruz to bat for Valentine

westofyou
09-27-2005, 12:17 AM
I'm a baseball masochist
I'm a reds fan

Derrick Turnbow looks like a Muppet

This game is almost as long as Gone with the Wind and not even 1/100,000,000 as good.

If this game was a disease it would be fatal.

westofyou
09-27-2005, 12:18 AM
I loath the brewers

Pilots....

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:18 AM
Reds might catch up if they don't swing

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:19 AM
Cruz walks...

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:20 AM
Reds have now drawn 11 walks.

I am still wondering, will Marty ever explain how walks can be bad both for the pitcher and for the hitter because that is his exact position on walks.

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:20 AM
Freel commits a Casey...
That's the ballgame... goodnight!

RedsIn07
09-27-2005, 12:20 AM
Reds might catch up if they don't swing
Freel swung.
Reds lose 12-9.

SteelSD
09-27-2005, 12:23 AM
the pen contains only mediocre to bad pitchers. There isn't a real keeper in the bunch. On good teams all these guys at their best would be fighting for the last 2 spots on the team.

Exactly. This pen is populated with a bunch of guys who simply don't perform very well over time because they're not freakin' good enough.

I posted the whole pitching staff's OPSA numbers a while back and, at that time, there were about three pitchers on the whole staff who were above average. The rest were junk and many had ERA numbers that were out of line with their secondary numbers. A correction of those ERA numbers was only a matter of time.

And not a one of those guys has thrown more IP in relief than the Reds should be able to reasonably expect and they've been carrying an extra arm all season long (and now have multiple extra arms). Better starters would help, but that help would be limited to not letting the stinkers in the pen get on the mound in the first place.

KittyDuran
09-27-2005, 12:23 AM
Nothing like having one of the most potent offenses in baseball with one of the most pathetic pitching staffs... :angry:

flyer85
09-27-2005, 12:27 AM
Nothing like having one of the most potent offenses in baseball with one of the most pathetic pitching staffs... :angry:The Rangers say hello.

westofyou
09-27-2005, 12:32 AM
Nothing like having one of the most potent offenses in baseball with one of the most pathetic pitching staffs... :angry:

How potent is the Reds offense?

They might be the only NL team to end up with 800 runs, they currently are in the plus 90 runs to the league average.

Let's go for 100 and be one the worst (all around) teams with the best offensive.

Woo Hoo

RUNS YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE RC/G EBH OBA

1 Pirates 1902 193 775 582 1.21 302 .023
2 Dodgers 1953 189 955 766 1.22 541 .021
3 Reds 1976 178 857 679 1.47 475 .028
4 Rockies 1996 177 961 784 1.02 555 .015
5 Rockies 1997 149 923 774 0.99 548 .015
6 Reds 1975 147 840 693 0.81 439 .016
7 Reds 1965 138 825 687 0.98 512 .018
8 Dodgers 1955 136 857 721 0.69 475 .019
9 Giants 1905 135 780 645 1.00 318 .024
10 Giants 1924 133 857 724 0.73 445 .013
11 Braves 2003 130 907 777 0.89 587 .008
12 Rockies 2001 130 923 793 1.03 598 .014
13 Dodgers 1949 126 879 753 0.41 435 .010
14 Pirates 1971 124 788 664 0.63 438 .004
15 Cubs 1906 124 704 580 0.47 272 .009
16 Braves 1964 122 803 681 0.54 465 .011
17 Giants 1908 121 652 531 0.67 245 .034
18 Cardinals 1942 119 755 636 0.56 411 .010
19 Rockies 2000 119 968 849 0.50 534 .011
20 Dodgers 1942 118 741 623 0.34 359 .010
21 Giants 1962 117 878 761 0.48 471 .004
22 Pirates 1925 116 912 796 0.65 499 .011
23 Giants 1921 112 840 728 0.37 405 .011
24 Dodgers 1951 112 855 743 0.49 470 .010
25 Giants 1912 109 823 714 0.39 367 .010
26 Pirates 1901 109 776 667 0.58 302 .014
27 Phillies 1977 108 847 739 0.73 508 .009
28 Cubs 1929 107 982 875 0.33 495 .005
29 Pirates 1909 105 701 596 0.43 335 .007
30 Giants 1904 105 744 639 0.46 298 .013
31 Cardinals 1901 104 792 688 0.36 320 .006
32 Phillies 1993 104 877 773 0.62 504 .015
33 Reds 1969 102 798 696 0.55 437 .005
34 Dodgers 1941 100 800 700 0.72 456 .011
35 Phillies 1932 100 844 744 0.70 519 .011

KronoRed
09-27-2005, 12:38 AM
The Rangers say hello.

We have their manager and wave back.

lollipopcurve
09-27-2005, 11:01 AM
He doesn't dislike him, he just doesn't think he's ready to be in the big leagues yet

Marty's wrong about EdE. The kid is 22, so growing pains are expected. At the same time, he has flashed some serious leather and cranked extra base hits at a very high rate. We're looking at a future All-Star, while Marty grouses and the game passes him by.

Doc. Scott
09-27-2005, 12:40 PM
Man, Coffey had been on a roll... before tonight.

Roy Tucker
09-27-2005, 01:06 PM
Marty's wrong about EdE. The kid is 22, so growing pains are expected. At the same time, he has flashed some serious leather and cranked extra base hits at a very high rate. We're looking at a future All-Star, while Marty grouses and the game passes him by.
"Ready for the big leagues" is a slippery thing.

I think EE has proven everything he can at the minor league level. Yet, he is struggling (and growing) at the big league level.

Is he ready? Weellllll sorta kinda maybe yes no. It's a 'tweener kind of thing.

The Reds could keep him at AAA and continue to polish the stone. But I agree with what their doing and letting him learn in the bigs. Every time I watch EE in a game, I see him do good things. He is improving. I think he is handling all the pressure well too. The Reds get a :thumbup: from me on Eddie.

I keep thinking "Mike Schmidt, rookie year" when I watch EE.