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WVRed
10-02-2005, 05:19 PM
Im 3/4 of the way tempted to write CBS a nastygram and request Steve Tasker never call a Bengals game again. Carr fumbled with around 3 minutes left to go, and "there was no doubt it was an incomplete pass". Well, after review, it was a fumble(and rightfully so), so Tasker went on for the last three minutes to point out how the Texans got screwed and pulled out a video clip of Tom Brady from 2002 to compare it.

But anyways, penalties almost killed the Bengals today, even though they won 16-10. Im picking Jacksonville for next week, sadly.:(

savafan
10-02-2005, 05:28 PM
The officiating crew in today's game really wasn't letting either team play football. It seemed like they were throwing a flag on just about every play.

OldRightHander
10-02-2005, 07:59 PM
A few thoughts about today's game.

The Bengals defense: Giving up 10 points is acceptable, but they have to do better against the run. They showed a few flashes of brilliance, but overall I think the effort could have been better. I'm not complaining about the points given up, but Houston seemed able to drive at will a couple times, only to be shut down in the end or shoot themselves in the foot. Some of the pressure they were able to put on Carr late in the game was I think the turning point, so all in all I think we can say that the defense won this game today.

The Bengals offense was too inconsistent today. There were some spots where it looked like they were starting to really click and then they would commit a stupid penalty or the drive would just fizzle out. How much can we say it was just an off day, and how much can be put on the O line being somewhat shuffled up today with a couple guys out? I don't know, but they didn't play as well against Houston's defense at home as they did against the Bears defense on the road. I hope this was just a let down and they'll be back to form next week.

"The Call" Ok, say what you will about the fumble call late in the game. That call could have gone either way. It certainly looked like his arm was moving forward, but who knows if he kept a grip on the ball until the time he released it. The way his arm was hit, the ball could have been coming out of his hand by the time he moved his arm to try to throw. The rule regarding challenged plays is that there has to be irrefutable evidence in order to reverse a call, and I don't think the video provided that. Tough call and were I a Houston fan I would probably be a bit ticked about it. In previous years when the Bengals would lose close games, we would always want to point to a play like that and complain that the ref blew this call or that call and cost us the game. The bottom line then was that they just weren't a good football team and they couldn't overcome a bad call or two here and there. Bad calls will happen and some of them might influence the outcome of a game, but a good team will overcome those and not not let one call cost them the game. Anyway, they were starting to put a lot of pressure on Carr by that point in the game and who's to say that the defense would not have held them on that drive even had they kept the ball on that play. Houston just didn't play well enough to win, regardless of how that call turned out. Some people could argue that the Bengals didn't play well enough to win either, but they did win, and that is what counts in the end.

The announcers (I never pay attention to their names.) were absolutely awful. I don't know if I've ever seen bias this bad from a network announcer. I had the impression that he was really rooting for Houston to pull the game out. "Here's where David Carr needs to step up and shine. They need to pick up this first down." And on and on. I thought for a second that maybe the network was just picking up the audio feed from Houston's radio guys or something. This was right up there with George Grande's Cardinal love affair, but still inexcusable from a network announcer who is supposed to give an unbiased call of the game. The truth is that the Bengals have been awful for so long that some folks just can't accept it when they start playing well. It's like someone upset the apple cart and they don't like it one bit. Last week we had Randy Cross making his torture comment and now we have this biased garbage to listen to. I hope they find a professional announcer for next week's game, or I'm going to turn the tv down and listen to the call on 1360.

All in all, it was something of an ugly win, but it was a win. In previous years, the Bengals would have lost a game like that in which the offense wasn't clicking and the defense was giving up big chunks on the ground, but they found a way to pull out the win. It kind of reminds me of the Buckeyes in their national championship season a couple years back. There were so many close games that they very well could have lost but they found a way to win in the end. We can only hope that the end result could be as good for the Bengals, but they will have to play better than they did today for that to happen. Good start to the season though.

WMR
10-02-2005, 08:18 PM
A few thoughts about today's game.

The Bengals defense: Giving up 10 points is acceptable, but they have to do better against the run. They showed a few flashes of brilliance, but overall I think the effort could have been better. I'm not complaining about the points given up, but Houston seemed able to drive at will a couple times, only to be shut down in the end or shoot themselves in the foot. Some of the pressure they were able to put on Carr late in the game was I think the turning point, so all in all I think we can say that the defense won this game today.

The Bengals offense was too inconsistent today. There were some spots where it looked like they were starting to really click and then they would commit a stupid penalty or the drive would just fizzle out. How much can we say it was just an off day, and how much can be put on the O line being somewhat shuffled up today with a couple guys out? I don't know, but they didn't play as well against Houston's defense at home as they did against the Bears defense on the road. I hope this was just a let down and they'll be back to form next week.

"The Call" Ok, say what you will about the fumble call late in the game. That call could have gone either way. It certainly looked like his arm was moving forward, but who knows if he kept a grip on the ball until the time he released it. The way his arm was hit, the ball could have been coming out of his hand by the time he moved his arm to try to throw. The rule regarding challenged plays is that there has to be irrefutable evidence in order to reverse a call, and I don't think the video provided that. Tough call and were I a Houston fan I would probably be a bit ticked about it. In previous years when the Bengals would lose close games, we would always want to point to a play like that and complain that the ref blew this call or that call and cost us the game. The bottom line then was that they just weren't a good football team and they couldn't overcome a bad call or two here and there. Bad calls will happen and some of them might influence the outcome of a game, but a good team will overcome those and not not let one call cost them the game. Anyway, they were starting to put a lot of pressure on Carr by that point in the game and who's to say that the defense would not have held them on that drive even had they kept the ball on that play. Houston just didn't play well enough to win, regardless of how that call turned out. Some people could argue that the Bengals didn't play well enough to win either, but they did win, and that is what counts in the end.

The announcers (I never pay attention to their names.) were absolutely awful. I don't know if I've ever seen bias this bad from a network announcer. I had the impression that he was really rooting for Houston to pull the game out. "Here's where David Carr needs to step up and shine. They need to pick up this first down." And on and on. I thought for a second that maybe the network was just picking up the audio feed from Houston's radio guys or something. This was right up there with George Grande's Cardinal love affair, but still inexcusable from a network announcer who is supposed to give an unbiased call of the game. The truth is that the Bengals have been awful for so long that some folks just can't accept it when they start playing well. It's like someone upset the apple cart and they don't like it one bit. Last week we had Randy Cross making his torture comment and now we have this biased garbage to listen to. I hope they find a professional announcer for next week's game, or I'm going to turn the tv down and listen to the call on 1360.

All in all, it was something of an ugly win, but it was a win. In previous years, the Bengals would have lost a game like that in which the offense wasn't clicking and the defense was giving up big chunks on the ground, but they found a way to pull out the win. It kind of reminds me of the Buckeyes in their national championship season a couple years back. There were so many close games that they very well could have lost but they found a way to win in the end. We can only hope that the end result could be as good for the Bengals, but they will have to play better than they did today for that to happen. Good start to the season though.

WHO DEY, WHO DEY, WHO DEY THINK GONNA BEAT THEM BENGALS:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY!!!

LOL, the way they played today, probably not, but 4-0 is 4-0 is 4-0

WVRed
10-02-2005, 08:23 PM
The announcers (I never pay attention to their names.) were absolutely awful. I don't know if I've ever seen bias this bad from a network announcer. I had the impression that he was really rooting for Houston to pull the game out. "Here's where David Carr needs to step up and shine. They need to pick up this first down." And on and on. I thought for a second that maybe the network was just picking up the audio feed from Houston's radio guys or something. This was right up there with George Grande's Cardinal love affair, but still inexcusable from a network announcer who is supposed to give an unbiased call of the game. The truth is that the Bengals have been awful for so long that some folks just can't accept it when they start playing well. It's like someone upset the apple cart and they don't like it one bit. Last week we had Randy Cross making his torture comment and now we have this biased garbage to listen to. I hope they find a professional announcer for next week's game, or I'm going to turn the tv down and listen to the call on 1360.

Steve Tasker played for the Buffalo Bills in 1988 IIRC when the Bengals beat the Bills to get to the Super Bowl. I remember back somewhere 3-5 years ago when the Bengals played the Steelers and won that the bias exuberated was downright terrible. This one ranked right up there with it.

Unassisted
10-02-2005, 08:30 PM
I don't know if I've ever seen bias this bad from a network announcer. I had the impression that he was really rooting for Houston to pull the game out. "Here's where David Carr needs to step up and shine. They need to pick up this first down." And on and on. I thought for a second that maybe the network was just picking up the audio feed from Houston's radio guys or something. This was right up there with George Grande's Cardinal love affair, but still inexcusable from a network announcer who is supposed to give an unbiased call of the game. Sorry folks, Houston's the 10th largest TV market and Cincinnati's the 34th. 2 million TV homes will almost always get more announcer love than your 880,000. Just be glad the Bengals weren't playing one of the NY teams. ;) http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html

WVRed
10-02-2005, 09:25 PM
Sorry folks, Houston's the 10th largest TV market and Cincinnati's the 34th. 2 million TV homes will almost always get more announcer love than your 880,000. Just be glad the Bengals weren't playing one of the NY teams. ;) http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html

Who has a better record and is the talk of the NFL right now? Not Houston.

Falls City Beer
10-02-2005, 09:37 PM
Who has a better record and is the talk of the NFL right now? Not Houston.


Exactly. You want the juggernaut that is the NFL to keep its reputation as the "parity" sport, you'll talk up little guy stories like the Bengals fabulous turnaround.

traderumor
10-02-2005, 09:46 PM
I think Tasker gets ripped every time he does a Bengals game because he always talks up the other team. They could be playing the '77 Buccaneers and he'd probably still find more good things to say about them than the Bengals. Maybe one of their scouts told him he'd never be anymore than a fourth wide receiver and a special teams standout in his career.

I was yelling at Palmer for five minutes when he did not simply throw the ball away after he pulled a wrong way Corrigan for about 30 yards. That was almost up there with the Gus Frerotte "shovel pass" against the Browns in LeBeau's last season.

GAC
10-03-2005, 06:36 AM
Respectfully WV, I agree with you on the officiating; but I disagree with you on the Carr call. That was an incomplete pass (according to NFL rules). It was an awful call. So was the pass interference call at the end of the 2nd half (first called a TD).

As far as biases - I didn't really see any. The announcers were saying an awful of of complimentary things and bragging on the Bengals also. Especially Palmer, TJ, and Johnson.

I'm glad the Bengals won. But I didn't expect the Texans to put up such a fight like they did at Paul Brown stadium.

I think what came out of this game more then anything may be the injuires that occurred. What is any update?

GAC
10-03-2005, 06:40 AM
But anyways, penalties almost killed the Bengals today, even though they won 16-10. Im picking Jacksonville for next week, sadly.:(

I'm still taking the Bengals after seeing Jacksonville's performance yesterday. ;)

I think MAYBE the Bengals took the Texans too lightly. Lewis will have them ready for next week.

ochre
10-03-2005, 10:53 AM
the ball was out of his control when his arm was coming forward. By NFL rules that is a fumble.

Roy Tucker
10-03-2005, 11:09 AM
the ball was out of his control when his arm was coming forward. By NFL rules that is a fumble.
Thanks. That was the point I wondered about and the announcers never brought up. His arm was clearly moving forward when he let go of the ball, but it appeared to me that when he *started* his arm motion, the ball was already coming out of his hand. And that was the point I was unsure of.

My wife, who doesn't know football from Adam and could care less about the Bengals, asked if Tasker, etc. were Houston announcers. When *she* notices something like that, it must be pretty blatant.

ochre
10-03-2005, 11:27 AM
Thanks. That was the point I wondered about and the announcers never brought up. His arm was clearly moving forward when he let go of the ball, but it appeared to me that when he *started* his arm motion, the ball was already coming out of his hand. And that was the point I was unsure of.

My wife, who doesn't know football from Adam and could care less about the Bengals, asked if Tasker, etc. were Houston announcers. When *she* notices something like that, it must be pretty blatant.
Don't get me wrong, it was an extremely close call that could have gone either way. Every time I saw it (granted I have Bengals blinders on :)) it seemed the ball was loose and he 'batted' it forward with his arm motion.

KronoRed
10-03-2005, 02:57 PM
Unless the Jaguars bring an A game they will lose this battle of the large felines.

OldRightHander
10-03-2005, 03:11 PM
Unless the Jaguars bring an A game they will lose this battle of the large felines.

Mark this day on your calendars everyone! Krono just said something good about the Bengals.
:shocked:

After seeing what the Jags did yesterday, I would have to agree though. The Bengals struggled, but they didn't look that good either.

KronoRed
10-03-2005, 03:18 PM
No, I said something bad about the Jags :D

I do root for the bengals to do well if they play the raiders or cowboys

That's it though ;)

OldRightHander
10-03-2005, 03:26 PM
No, I said something bad about the Jags :D

I do root for the bengals to do well if they play the raiders or cowboys

That's it though ;)

Well, that's better than nothing. I'll take what I can get.

redsfan30
10-03-2005, 03:44 PM
The Bengals needed a game like yesterday. They'd blown the first three opponents out with relative ease. That does not happen every game of a 16 game season. There are going to be games that you need to fight and scratch to pull out. There are going to be games where you need to overcome the other team, the offcials and even yourselves.

A game where they had to play to the very last snap can only help this team down the line.

ochre
10-03-2005, 03:57 PM
The Bengals needed a game like yesterday. They'd blown the first three opponents out with relative ease. That does not happen every game of a 16 game season. There are going to be games that you need to fight and scratch to pull out. There are going to be games where you need to overcome the other team, the offcials and even yourselves.

A game where they had to play to the very last snap can only help this team down the line.
its the penalty/turnover trade off. The stupid penalties are less of an issue when there are plethora turnovers.

traderumor
10-03-2005, 04:16 PM
Unless the Jaguars bring an A game they will lose this battle of the large felines.I look forward to a visual reminder for folks who wanted to draft Leftwich instead of Palmer.

RedsFan75
10-03-2005, 04:45 PM
Thanks. That was the point I wondered about and the announcers never brought up. His arm was clearly moving forward when he let go of the ball, but it appeared to me that when he *started* his arm motion, the ball was already coming out of his hand. And that was the point I was unsure of.


Check this Pic that shows the play.

http://www.bengals.com/assets/default/gallery051002-15.jpg

traderumor
10-03-2005, 05:59 PM
Check this Pic that shows the play.

Hey, its as inconclusive in a picture as it was in the replay ;)

I knew it was a tough call either way, always is, which is why I was glad that the call on the field was "FUUUUUMMMMMBBLLLLLE!!!"

GAC
10-03-2005, 06:27 PM
Someone can correct me as far as the NFL rule - but I was under the impression that the rule stated that as long as the QB's arm is going forward and his hand is in contact with or on the ball (not necessarily in his grasp or possession) that it is still considered a pass attempt?

We need someone with NFL rule expertise to clarify this. :lol:

kheidg-
10-03-2005, 08:51 PM
The way that the guys on PTI and other shows have explained it this should have been an incomplete pass not a fumble due to the NFL tuck rule.

I didn't see the play in detail so I can't comment much. They were saying that David Carr and the Texans got screwed.

savafan
10-03-2005, 10:47 PM
When I saw the play, I would have said it was an incomplete pass. Every replay I saw backed that up as well.

paintmered
10-03-2005, 10:58 PM
The replay from the side looked like an incomplete pass. The replay from behind made it look like a fumble.

In my worthless opinion FWIW.

Danny Serafini
10-04-2005, 12:20 AM
Despite Steve Tasker's attempts at making it so, the tuck rule had nothing to do with this. Carr's arm was hit when his arm was cocked back at its farthest point. When his arm was hit, the ball started coming loose and sliding around in his hand. At that point he no longer had control of the ball. You can't throw a pass if you don't have possession of the ball. Carr's arm pushed the ball forward, but since he didn't have possession of it it wasn't a pass. It was no different than if he had batted a loose ball that in the air. Very borderline call I admit, but it was the right one.

Jaycint
10-04-2005, 10:09 AM
I'll bet Steve Tasker lost a lot of sleep Sunday night. He probably had to call Randy Cross from his hotel room so they could wallow together in their Bengals hate. We don't fit in their little box anymore and they hate it.

Johnny Footstool
10-04-2005, 02:02 PM
If you look at the picture, you can see Carr's grip on the football is not the same grip he uses for throwing. You have to assume, as Danny Serafini stated, that he didn't have control of the ball while his arm was moving forward.

FUMBLE!

GAC
10-04-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm glad we all have found something to discuss since the Red's miserable season has ended. :lol:

But playing Columbo, and really looking at that picture - it is really inconclusive as to whether he has possession or not. This appears to be a pic of him going back - and he still had possession of the ball at that point (that was a no doubter when it happened during the game and watching the film). It was after his arm was back that he got hit that the questions arise.

So I really don't think this pic tells us anything.

traderumor
10-04-2005, 02:54 PM
If you look at the picture, you can see Carr's grip on the football is not the same grip he uses for throwing. You have to assume, as Danny Serafini stated, that he didn't have control of the ball while his arm was moving forward.

FUMBLE!Hey, that's a great point. I haven't thrown a football in quite some time, but I know that is not the way to grip a football unless you want to throw it end over end. :laugh:

SunDeck
10-06-2005, 01:56 PM
Im 3/4 of the way tempted to write CBS a nastygram and request Steve Tasker never call a Bengals game again. Carr fumbled with around 3 minutes left to go, and "there was no doubt it was an incomplete pass". Well, after review, it was a fumble(and rightfully so), so Tasker went on for the last three minutes to point out how the Texans got screwed and pulled out a video clip of Tom Brady from 2002 to compare it.

But anyways, penalties almost killed the Bengals today, even though they won 16-10. Im picking Jacksonville for next week, sadly.:(

(Edited) I thought it was the right call at the time. (Edited).
Whether they beat Jax depends on who plays center, if you ask me. Even if Braham plays, it's probably still even.