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savafan
11-07-2005, 12:34 PM
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/nfl/carolina_panthers/13101309.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
Two Carolina Panthers cheerleaders were arrested early Sunday after a fight in the bathroom of a Florida night club, police said.
Police were still sorting out the identity of one of the cheerleaders late Sunday and had asked the NFL for fingerprints of the squad.
The skirmish started at 2:10 a.m. Sunday at Banana Joe's in Channelside near downtown Tampa, police said. Here's what happened, according to a police report:
Witnesses told police the two cheerleaders were engaged in sexual activity in a bathroom stall. Other customers got angry and started yelling "because they took too long" in the stall.
When the women emerged, the arguing escalated and one of the cheerleaders punched a third woman in the face, giving her a black eye.
All three women were escorted out of the bar.
TopCat Angela Keathley, 26, of Belmont was intoxicated, could barely stand and refused to cooperate with police, the report said. She allegedly began yelling profanities, drawing a crowd. She jerked and pulled away as the officer cuffed her, the report said.
Keathley was charged with disorderly conduct and obstructing an officer. Police are trying to confirm the identity of the second woman who allegedly punched the customer. Police say she may have been using the driver's license of another cheerleader who was not at the bar.
"We are trying to get the fingerprints of all the cheerleaders from the NFL so we can get this right," said Lt. John Newman. "The girls really look alike, so the last thing I want to do is base this on a photo."
The second cheerleader was charged with battery. She will face additional charges if she misled police about her identity, Newman said.
The women spent the night in Hillsborough County jail. They were released after making bond Sunday morning.
The cheerleaders do not cheer at away games and made the trip to Tampa on their own, team officials said. They said they were aware of the report, but declined further comment.
Renee:
http://www.panthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/renee_head05.jpg
http://www.panthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/renee_body05.jpg
and Angela:
http://www.panthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/angela_head05.jpg
http://850thebuzz.com/podcasts/tcangela.jpg
http://www.panthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/angela_body05.jpg
Mugshots:
http://www.tampabays10.com/assetpool/images/05116164948_cheerleaders.jpg
smith288
11-07-2005, 12:46 PM
The makeup does wonders for these chicks.
LincolnparkRed
11-07-2005, 01:13 PM
The makeup does wonders for these chicks.
Touch-ups do wonders for pictures eh?
Bigg Red Smokey
11-07-2005, 01:29 PM
I think we may all be overlooking that these 2 chicks were "engaged" in sexual activity w/ one another in a bar bathroom... I wonder if this type of activity is happening at my local watering hole... :drink:
CrackerJack
11-07-2005, 01:46 PM
Best..story....ever
15fan
11-07-2005, 01:48 PM
Sex + Alcohol + Professional Cheerleaders + Bar Fight = As good as it gets.
The big question is whether they pose for Playboy, or go straight into adult films...
Chip R
11-07-2005, 01:52 PM
Sex + Alcohol + Professional Cheerleaders + Bar Fight = As good as it gets.
But it wasn't just sex, it was apparantly lesbian sex. That's even better. :evil: I wonder if Gregg Easterbrook will have anything to say about this in his next Tuesday Morning Quarterback column.
Anyone else see the irony that this happened in a place called BANANNA Joe's? :pimp:
Bigg Red Smokey
11-07-2005, 02:04 PM
Out of the two who I would least expect the Blonde to be the one who blacked the girls eye.............Until you see her mugshot...:yikes:
CrackerJack
11-07-2005, 02:36 PM
I can't believe people are complaining about their appearance? they are both hotties.
Naughty girls!
Reds4Life
11-07-2005, 03:58 PM
Sex + Alcohol + Professional Cheerleaders + Bar Fight = As good as it gets.
Quoted for truth!
Dom Heffner
11-07-2005, 07:24 PM
I wonder how come all this stuff happens here in Tampa?
I promise, I have nothing to do with it. :)
MrCinatit
11-07-2005, 09:36 PM
and no one thought of taking several pictures, or a film, while all of this was happening?
very disappointing.
Joseph
11-07-2005, 10:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216124
And fired.
Sex, next to the toilet? Maybe I'm a nerd, but sex on a toilet, doesn't make it in my top 2,123,113 sex fantasies. Now, it may be number 2,123,114.
CougarQuest
11-08-2005, 12:06 AM
All these cell phone camera's and not one photo has emerged?
I forsee a "Girls Gone Wild" special episode forthcoming. Or god forbid, another 'reality tv show'. "Tonight on the WB, the NFC East Cheerleaders takes on the AFC East Cheerleaders. Tonights Challenge is "Public Appearance in Public Restrooms without shaking their pom-poms. We'll be back lickety-split after this commercial break."
RFS62
11-08-2005, 12:27 AM
Sex + Alcohol + Professional Cheerleaders + Bar Fight = As good as it gets.
God Bless America.
:cool: :usa: :cool:
Roy Tucker
11-08-2005, 08:50 AM
I heard this AM that one of the cheerleaders might have been underage as well. So the scorecard reads:
Underage lesbian sex + alcohol + professional cheerleaders + bar fight + handcuffs = This must be a letter to Penthouse
Why do most of us feel like George Constanza right now? :lol:
savafan
11-08-2005, 11:03 AM
According to the Panthers' official team Web site on NFL.com, Keathley is a registered nurse and second-year member of the TopCats. Thomas is listed as a student at the University of North Carolina-Charlotte and first-year member of the cheerleading squad.
A nurse and a schoolgirl! How could this get any better? :evil:
Jaycint
11-08-2005, 11:27 AM
Sex, next to the toilet? Maybe I'm a nerd, but sex on a toilet, doesn't make it in my top 2,123,113 sex fantasies. Now, it may be number 2,123,114.
RBA for the first time in a year and a half you and I are in complete agreement. If this had taken place almost anywhere else I could have enjoyed it a lot more. :)
savafan
11-08-2005, 11:58 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/110705cckkWCNCcheeleaders.3b5c2d49.html
By Ann Sheridan / 6NEWS
Panther's officials said the two women accused of fighting at a Tampa Bay bar have been dismissed from the squad. The Panthers are able to fire the two women without a legal conviction because they said their actions violate team conduct policies.
Now they're not just off the squad, an adult magazine has an offer for them.
Penthouse magazine is making an offer to the former cheerleaders. The P.R. woman for the magazine confirmed it Monday night.
The nationally known men’s magazine wants to cash in on what allegedly went on inside the bars bathroom stall. The former Panther cheerleaders are accused of having sex with each other and starting a fight.
The Panthers organization isn't saying much, but their website is down. Millions of hits from fans are trying to learn more about the cheerleader scandal.
Witnesses said the bar was busy and there was a line to use the women’s restroom. Police said Renee Thomas and another Panther cheerleader, Angela Keathley, were having sex in the stall. When they came out, the women who were waiting to use the bathroom let them have it.
“She was screaming I am a Panther cheerleader. I’m not going to get arrested for this. And, I was like, that’s good for you but you are going to jail,” the alleged victim Melissa Holden said.
Now the women are out of jail and being courted by Penthouse magazine.
The magazine’s rep said Penthouse plans to have an offer in writing Tuesday.
But so far, there has been no offer of apology.
Another third Panther cheerleader is also caught up in the scandal. Police said one of the women in the fight was carrying another cheerleader’s ID. The Panthers have dismissed the two cheerleaders in the fight, and that third cheerleader is suspended.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/D_IMAGE.10732e55909.93.88.fa.7c.3d702008.jpg
http://www.yaysports.com/nfl/headlinepan.jpg
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MrCinatit
11-08-2005, 12:13 PM
you know, the media lately has gotten a large reputation for being negative.
today, i salute them for bringing to us a very possitive story, one which i have enjoyed to a great extent. a bevy of emotions have overcome me as i watch this story develop - and i hope to watch it continue to develop to my upmost satisfaction.
my upmost satisfaction, of course, being a first-person one-person viewing of...well...you know
savafan
11-08-2005, 12:15 PM
You're not alone MrCinatit.
Panthers' cheerleader sex scandal creating major buzz
http://www.mercurynews.com/images/charlotte/observer/13104/171726870680.jpg
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13107818.htm
BY MICHELLE CROUCH
Charlotte Observer
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Take cheerleaders - dude, two of them! - reports of sex and bathroom fights, and the raving imaginations of heterosexual guys, and you get a Monday morning with little work done.
In staid work cubicles around Charlotte and across the country, the lascivious tale of the arrest of two Carolina Panthers cheerleaders was catapulted from water-cooler talk to Internet phenomenon.
The story ranked among the top three most-viewed in charlotte.com's nine-year history. On ESPN.com, more people e-mailed it to friends Monday than any other story. The Panthers' Web site, which features photos of its cheerleaders, bent under so many hits that it was shut down.
It all began early Sunday when customers at a Tampa nightclub complained that the two cheerleaders were engaged in sexual activity in a bathroom stall, according to police. A fight followed and police arrested the two women.
Internet surfers followed every twist and turn as the story continued to unfold Monday:
Renee Thomas, a 20-year-old UNC Charlotte student, was charged with using the driver's license of fellow cheerleader Kristen Owen. Thomas could face up to a year in prison on that charge, and is also charged with punching a third woman in the face.
Thomas and fellow TopCat Angela Keathley, the other woman arrested, were booted from the squad for violating its code of conduct, which bans behavior that's embarrassing. Keathley is charged with resisting arrest. Neither could be reached for comment Monday.
Owen was suspended indefinitely for violating the code of conduct.
Among the questions swirling Monday: How did Thomas get Owen's license? Owen's mother told the Charlotte Observer on Sunday night it had been stolen. Tampa detectives were still investigating.
The women were in Tampa for the Panthers game with the Buccaneers. The cheerleading squad does not appear at out-of-town games and the women were in the city on their own.
Netizens stormed onto Web sites Monday swapping everything from wistful requests ("pics, please?") to expressions of disappointment ("My little girl loves the TopCats. How do you explain this to a 10-year-old?")
On macrumors.com, one thread is titled simply, "Giggidy-giggidy-giggidy-giggidy!"
On Fark.com, a collection of weird news links, so-called "Farkers" posted over 250 comments on the relative attractiveness of each cheerleader. One post asked: "So, it would also have been spiffy if it had been two of the Panthers who got caught doing the deed in the john, right?"
"It's titillating," said Clay Johanson, a 37-year-old independent Web designer in Charlotte. Johanson estimates he spent two hours total posting updates on the TopCats story on various Web sites, and searching for more on his own.
"You ask 100 guys, and 75 of them are going to be, `Oh, yeah!' It's probably more than that, but this is Charlotte, and I'm going to be conservative."
The TopCats turn heads in their short skirts, tight tops and ankle-high black boots. But most have full-time jobs outside cheerleading, ranging from mechanical engineers to financial analysts.
They build houses for Habitat for Humanity, adopt a family at Christmas and volunteer at the battered women's shelter. They also make public appearances, and have many young admirers.
Roger King, a police officer in the Myrtle Beach area, said his 10-year-old daughter last year attended a junior TopCat camp, where she got to meet members of the squad. He posted his disappointment Monday on charlotte.com's forums.
"A lot more guys are lighthearted about this," King said, trying to figure out how to explain the news to his daughter when she returns from a trip to Chicago. "But they don't have a 10-year-old daughter that's a TopCat."
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Roy Tucker
11-08-2005, 12:24 PM
On macrumors.com, one thread is titled simply, "Giggidy-giggidy-giggidy-giggidy!"
Oh man, I just fell off my chair laughing.
rdiersin
11-08-2005, 12:50 PM
Oh man, I just fell off my chair laughing.
I did too, Roy. I had flashbacks of the episode where Quagmire is trying to stop being a womanizer and they take him to the mall. Then there are three cheerleaders in the water fountain. Classic.
MrCinatit
11-08-2005, 01:08 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. my eyes are watering
TeamBoone
11-08-2005, 04:26 PM
So... which one is the 20-year-old? Both look older than that.
Penthouse magazine is making an offer to the former cheerleaders. The P.R. woman for the magazine confirmed it Monday night.
The nationally known men’s magazine wants to cash in on what allegedly went on inside the bars bathroom stall. The former Panther cheerleaders are accused of having sex with each other and starting a fight.
This is the thing that ticks me off most. Both are getting a ton of publicity which will end up making them a lot of money. It's a great message to send. Do something "naughty", get caught, make headlines, and ultimately be rewarded by a lucrative offer from the media.
Reds4Life
11-08-2005, 04:51 PM
The blonde is the 20 year old.
Thread ............................... Of ............................ The ................................ Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KronoRed
11-08-2005, 04:54 PM
Oh man, I just fell off my chair laughing.
Sadly..I did too :help:
OldRightHander
11-08-2005, 04:59 PM
The blonde is the 20 year old.
That isn't the most flattering picture of her. It makes me glad I'm married to a black woman. They age better.
flyer85
11-08-2005, 05:05 PM
This is the thing that ticks me off most. Both are getting a ton of publicity which will end up making them a lot of money. It's a great message to send. Do something "naughty", get caught, make headlines, and ultimately be rewarded by a lucrative offer from the media.Sorry but there will be no monetary and publicity rewards for behaving yourself.
Our media caters to the more prurient interests, mainly because it sells to a large segment of the population.
Reds4Life
11-08-2005, 05:10 PM
That isn't the most flattering picture of her. It makes me glad I'm married to a black woman. They age better.
Nobody looks good in a mugshot, especially after being in a fight and, eh, "busy".
She looks pretty good in this pic. :evil:
http://www.yaysports.com/nfl/pan_06.jpg
flyer85
11-08-2005, 05:11 PM
That isn't the most flattering picture of her. It makes me glad I'm married to a black woman. They age better.... probably has more to do with taking a lotta walks on the wild side.
Update, another "eyewitness" reports that one of the girls was on the floor and didn't look too good (too much alcohol?) And the girls weren't in the stall long enough or any sounds of sexual activity were heard.
This is the thing that ticks me off most. Both are getting a ton of publicity which will end up making them a lot of money. It's a great message to send. Do something "naughty", get caught, make headlines, and ultimately be rewarded by a lucrative offer from the media.
That's MEN for you. Just look at the responses on this thread.
Throw in some mud and most of these guys would have paid a cover charge to see it. :lol:
I never could understand why men (and I'm a member of the union ;) ) find two women "together" such a turn-on?
Redsland
11-08-2005, 10:50 PM
I agree. It's absolutely shameful.
There better be some spankings.
:evil:
jmcclain19
11-08-2005, 11:02 PM
That's MEN for you. Just look at the responses on this thread.
Throw in some mud and most of these guys would have paid a cover charge to see it. :lol:
I never could understand why men (and I'm a member of the union ;) ) find two women "together" such a turn-on?
Mud - come on GAC - most guys don't stoop quite far to that level. Give us some credit.
Now - JELLO on the other hand....
RFS62
11-08-2005, 11:30 PM
I agree. It's absolutely shameful.
There better be some spankings.
:evil:
Damn straight.
This calls for discipline.
ochre
11-08-2005, 11:41 PM
Somewhere Paul Rubens is shedding a tear that he was caught cheering on himself.
BoydsOfSummer
11-09-2005, 08:25 AM
The only way this could get better is if somehow it's learned that twins were involved in some way.
I'm waiting for the direct-to-DVD release of the tell-all movie. Or, maybe I'll wait for the homemade video to be "leaked" to the Internet.
Jaycint
11-09-2005, 02:57 PM
I'm waiting for the direct-to-DVD release of the tell-all movie. Or, maybe I'll wait for the homemade video to be "leaked" to the Internet.
That can go in the same folder with my Paris Hilton clip and Janet Jackson sunbathing clip.
RedFanAlways1966
11-09-2005, 04:26 PM
That can go in the same folder with my Paris Hilton clip and Janet Jackson sunbathing clip.
Except these cheerleader girls are kind of attractive. Perhaps two files will be needed: (1) Not too attractive naked celebs (2) Hot-lesbian-naked-drunk cheerleaders.
I know which folder would get moved to My Favorites and which one will go to the Recycling Bin... :devil:
CougarQuest
11-09-2005, 04:49 PM
I'm having doubts that these cheerleaders were having sex.
I mean, come on.
The report says that the bathroom was full. FULL of woman that consumed alcohol.
If two cheerleaders were engaging in sexual relations, then obviously the whole bathroom would have erupted into an orgy, while waitresses come in and serve more drinks, and then this whole thing would have spewed into the bar where the security cameras would have caught the whole thing on tape.
Now that I've pointed that out, doesn't it becomes pretty clear to you that there lies some serious doubt?
Matt700wlw
11-09-2005, 04:57 PM
I still don't know why they got arrested.....they should have gotten dollar bills!!
:KoolAid:
savafan
11-10-2005, 01:38 AM
Updates
Before going to Banana Joe's, the cheerleaders crashed a high school reunion party. Pics here show what they were wearing that night: party crashing cheerleaders (http://www.mjmorningshow.com/pantherscheerleaderspartycrashers.html)
Arrest records (note the wrong name on Renee's record)
Renee (http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=05071806)
Angela (http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=05071807)
This is Kristen Owen, the girl Renee claimed to be:
http://www.polarbearrepublic.com/images/sasha/CP2005kristenowenflip.jpghttp://www.polarbearrepublic.com/images/sasha/CP2005kristenowen_head05.jpg
Screen captures of the now removed bios from the Panthers' site:
http://www.ninersworld.net/images/stories/chuckpix/angelabio.jpg
http://www.ninersworld.net/images/stories/chuckpix/reneebio.jpg
Any of the ladies here want a part in the Carolina Panthers Cheerleaders: The Movie! Send in your headshots here (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/adg/109928811.html)
RedsBaron
11-10-2005, 06:54 AM
Have Angela and Renee been hired by the Minnesota Vikings as cruise directors yet?
Angela's favorite quote: "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."
So that's what she was doing in that stall! :lol:
RedsBaron
11-10-2005, 09:16 AM
I have often heard women complain that there are not enough stalls in women's public restrooms and that the lines are too long; now I know why.
Chip R
11-10-2005, 09:59 AM
I see each of them listed their favorite charities as the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer foundation. A good lawyer could state that all these women were doing was checking ach other for lumps on their breasts. ;)
REDREAD
11-10-2005, 01:07 PM
That isn't the most flattering picture of her. It makes me glad I'm married to a black woman. They age better.
Please don't make racist comments. If someone said that black women were ugly, I'm sure you would've been offended.
I, of course, do not intend to crash anyone's party, but.........................
Is it at all possible..........................................
That these two women were simply sharing a stall............................................. .....
And the real fight ensued only because maybe one of them cut in line in front of other people in order to get into the stall her friend was currently using so that she would not have to wait in line..........
And the police and/or media and/or the irate, drunk, sassy women with bursting bladders merely fabricated the part about the sexual activity?????
Do the media and the police always report everything exactly as it happened?
savafan
11-10-2005, 03:07 PM
I, of course, do not intend to crash anyone's party, but.........................
Is it at all possible..........................................
That these two women were simply sharing a stall............................................. .....
And the real fight ensued only because maybe one of them cut in line in front of other people in order to get into the stall her friend was currently using so that she would not have to wait in line..........
And the police and/or media and/or the irate, drunk, sassy women with bursting bladders merely fabricated the part about the sexual activity?????
Do the media and the police always report everything exactly as it happened?
:nono: It had to be sex. The sensationalism of the story would be ruined otherwise.
savafan
11-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Must not let this story die...
http://www.tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGBZM81WVFE.html
TAMPA - -- One of two former Carolina Panthers cheerleaders arrested in a Channelside nightclub bathroom said Thursday that she was crying over running into an ex-boyfriend -- not having sex with her teammate -- when a fracas erupted over the women sharing a stall.
Angela Keathley, 26, of Charlotte, N.C., released the statement through Tampa lawyer Joe Episcopo. "She just wanted to make clear there was no sex," he said.
At least two women alleged in a Tampa police report that they heard moaning in a Banana Joe's bathroom stall about 2 a.m. Sunday and thought Keathley and Victoria Renee Thomas, 20, of Pittsboro, N.C., were having sex. Another woman thought Thomas was drunk and ill.
Episcopo offered another version of events: Keathley became "emotional" over meeting her ex-boyfriend in the bar. "The blonde was comforting her," he said.
When the women emerged, Thomas punched Melissa Holden, a woman waiting to use the bathroom, police said. Thomas identified herself to police using another cheerleader's driver's license, for which she faces a felony charge, in addition to misdemeanor battery. Police are investigating how she obtained the license.
Keathley faces two misdemeanor charges, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. She has retained a labor attorney because she is concerned she might lose her full-time job as a nurse, Episcopo said.
Keathley and Thomas lost their slots on the cheerleading squad, known as the TopCats, after posting bail.
Meanwhile, to capitalize on its sudden notoriety, Banana Joe's is offering no cover charge on Fridays and Saturdays to patrons who dress as cheerleaders.
Actual cheerleaders who are 21 or older can drink free, said Bridgette Collier, director of operations.
ochre
12-01-2005, 07:24 PM
http://www.joepiscopo.com/images/photo3.jpg
savafan
12-02-2005, 01:58 AM
http://www.joepiscopo.com/images/photo3.jpg
I know that is Joe Piscopo, but why?
ochre
12-02-2005, 02:51 AM
I know that is Joe Piscopo, but why?
Tampa lawyer Joe Episcopo.
The names were close enough to make me laugh. Thought a few others might also.
savafan
12-02-2005, 03:00 AM
Get it now. :)
RFS62
12-02-2005, 09:11 AM
The names were close enough to make me laugh. Thought a few others might also.
Well, it made me think. Then it made me laugh. Then I came to my senses and started thinking about the cheerleaders again.
:cool:
Redsland
12-02-2005, 03:00 PM
The cheerleader is also a nurse.
:luvu:
RFS62
12-02-2005, 04:49 PM
The cheerleader is also a nurse.
:luvu:
This just keeps getting better and better.
:evil:
savafan
12-06-2005, 10:38 PM
http://www.gambling911.com/melissa-holden-panthers-cheerleader.html
http://www.gambling911.com/images/holden.gif
Melissa Holden of Tampa filed the lawsuit against a Panthers cheerleader Friday. It said Victoria Renee Thomas "intentionally, willfully and maliciously assaulted and battered" her.
"I've been humiliated," said Holden, a 26-year-old University of South Florida student and nurse. "People assume I have a boyfriend or a husband who beat me up."
After the alleged punch, poor victim Holden grabbed bad cheerleader Thomas and asked someone to get security. Holden was quoted as saying, "the whole time I've got her against the wall she is screaming I'm a panther cheerleader. I'm not going to get into trouble let me go, I'm a panther cheerleader you can’t restrain me.”
The incident happened at Banana Joe's, which is still receiving a lot of publicity due to this incident. The management decided to have fun, by promoting dress as a cheerleader night.
Steve4192
12-07-2005, 09:51 AM
Melissa Holden of Tampa filed the lawsuit against a Panthers cheerleader Friday. It said Victoria Renee Thomas "intentionally, willfully and maliciously assaulted and battered" her.
"I've been humiliated," said Holden, a 26-year-old University of South Florida student and nurse. "People assume I have a boyfriend or a husband who beat me up."
Wahhh.
I'm sure Miss Holden had a few drinks in her and was less than courteous when she discovered the amorous cheerleaders in the bathroom stall. I suspect she was somewhat 'catty' in her comments and may have mentioned something about a little dutch boy. Under those circumstances, what transpired is not all that unexpected.
Get over it. You were at a bar, got into a scuffle with some fellow drunks, and got popped in the eye. Feces happens. Move on.
Redsland
12-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Yes, yes, yes we do; we've got lawyers how 'bout you?
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