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pedro
12-07-2005, 05:01 PM
I find it disturbing that Scott Stapp (formerly of suck rock band Creed) has partnered with MLB and they are now pimpimping him at events and featuring his new solo album on MLB.com

If this is Bud's big plan to get kids interested in MLB again I'm scared.

Johnny Footstool
12-07-2005, 05:25 PM
I'll never forget Stapp's rendition of "God Bless America" during the 2004 World Series. You'd swear he was lip-synching to something Trey Parker recorded for an episode of South Park.

Gawwwwwd...
Blehhhhhss...
Aw...mericaw...

CrackerJack
12-07-2005, 05:48 PM
Does he still think he's Jesus in a wife beater?

TeamBoone
12-07-2005, 06:00 PM
I find it disturbing that Scott Stapp (formerly of suck rock band Creed) has partnered with MLB and they are now pimpimping him at events and featuring his new solo album on MLB.com

I really wish people would NOT criticize music, artists, bands, etc.... any kind and anyone, not just Stapp.

Music is so subjective that it just doesn't makes sense to me to trash it, or anyone's opinion of it.

I don't like Johnny Cash, but tons of people do. I don't like rap or hip hop, but I'd never say either stinks just because it doesn't appeal to me.

To each his own when it comes to music.

I don't think MLB should "pimp" any one artist's music, no matter who it is, not just because I don't like the band/artist/music being pimped.

pedro
12-07-2005, 06:08 PM
I don't think MLB should "pimp" any one artist's music, no matter who it is, not just because I don't like the band/artist/music being pimped.

This I agree on you with and I do realize musical taste is subjective but honestly I don't have any problem with people criticizing bands or artists. I'm sure there is plenty of stuff in my music collection that many here would find abhorent and frankly I couldn't care less, just as someone who may happen to enjoy Creed shouldn't feel personally attacked if someone doesn't share their appreciation of that band.

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 07:32 PM
I really wish people would NOT criticize music, artists, bands, etc.... any kind and anyone, not just Stapp.

I appreciate the time that critics take to actually listen to said bands and offer an intelligent critique. I can't possibly listen to everything thats recorded and the opinions of others have often turned me onto bands I never would have listened to otherwise. I find critics and even the opinions of laymen to be quite valuable.

I'm curious, do you feel this way about books, movies, baseball players, art, video games, etc.?

pedro
12-07-2005, 07:38 PM
I appreciate the time that critics take to actually listen to said bands and offer an intelligent critique. I can't possibly listen to everything thats recorded and the opinions of others have often turned me onto bands I never would have listened to otherwise. I find critics and even the opinions of laymen to be quite valuable.

I'm curious, do you feel this way about books, movies, baseball players, art, video games, etc.?

Well to be fair to TB my saying Creed *sucked* wasn't exactly an "intelligent crtitique", but I have listened to them enough to give one if I was pressed.

westofyou
12-07-2005, 07:40 PM
I'm sure there is plenty of stuff in my music collection that many here would find abhorentLiquid Jesus

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 08:24 PM
Well to be fair to TB my saying Creed *sucked* wasn't exactly an "intelligent crtitique", but I have listened to them enough to give one if I was pressed.

I won't press. Refering to Creed as "suck rock band" might not make the cover of Rolling Stone, but it succinctly told me how you felt about the band and that was pretty much all I needed to know. It was funny too.

I wasn't trying to be unfair to TB and certainly hope I didn't come across that way. Just trying to gain some understanding of her opinion.

pedro
12-07-2005, 08:28 PM
I won't press. Refering to Creed as "suck rock band" might not make the cover of Rolling Stone, but it succinctly told me how you felt about the band and that was pretty much all I needed to know. It was funny too.

I wasn't trying to be unfair to TB and certainly hope I didn't come across that way. Just trying to gain some understanding of her opinion.

No worries. Being that I apparently offended someone, I'm just trying to be diplomatic. :)

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 08:29 PM
I'm sure there is plenty of stuff in my music collection that many here would find abhorent

In my collection, Rick Springfield.

Cedric
12-07-2005, 08:29 PM
In all seriousness though, do bands like Nickleback, Creed, and Godsmack ever sit around and wonder about their embarrasing legacy? Or do they just collect their cash and forget that they are destined to be remembered as fondly as RATT?

pedro
12-07-2005, 08:30 PM
In my collection, Rick Springfield.

Hey I like Weezer. A lot.

My hippy friends think I'm insane. (for that and many other reasons)

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 08:34 PM
MLB's been pimping Jimmy Buffett on the Red Sox site too.

I'm still undecided if this is a bad thing though.

westofyou
12-07-2005, 08:38 PM
Hey I like Weezer. A lot.

I've got a Dungeon Master's Guide
I've got a 12-sided die
I've got Kitty Pryde
And Nightcrawler too
Waiting there for me
Yes I do, I do

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 08:38 PM
Hey I like Weezer. A lot.

My hippy friends think I'm insane. (for that and many other reasons)

Three words, Bowling for Soup.

Cedric
12-07-2005, 08:39 PM
In my garage was a good track. I think Pinkerton was the best, then it all went away.

pedro
12-07-2005, 08:39 PM
MLB's been pimping Jimmy Buffett on the Red Sox site too.

I'm still undecided if this is a bad thing though.


I think they should stay out of the music biz. I'll leave it at that.

TeamBoone
12-07-2005, 08:39 PM
I appreciate the time that critics take to actually listen to said bands and offer an intelligent critique. I can't possibly listen to everything thats recorded and the opinions of others have often turned me onto bands I never would have listened to otherwise. I find critics and even the opinions of laymen to be quite valuable.

I'm curious, do you feel this way about books, movies, baseball players, art, video games, etc.?

With the exception of baseball players, yes, I do feel that way. All those things are extremely subjective... everyone has their own tastes, which is why they're considered subjective.

I'm in no way saying that these things can not be critiqued, but bashed is something else entirely.

For what it's worth, when a supposed expert or reviewer gives me his own reasons not to like something subjective, that's my first clue to find out for myself. After doing so, I often disagree with the reviewer... simply because his/her taste is different from mine.

pedro
12-07-2005, 08:41 PM
My sister really likes "Godsmack". As you can imagine, we have great *discussions* about that fact. (especially since she's 45)

TeamBoone
12-07-2005, 08:42 PM
My sister really likes "Godsmack". As you can imagine, we have great *discussions* about that fact. (especially since she's 45)

So do I, but I can totally understand why many might not.

Cedric
12-07-2005, 08:43 PM
I like to refer to Godsmack as Alice in Chains ultra lite.

pedro
12-07-2005, 08:44 PM
So do I, but I can totally understand why many might not.

FWIW, I think they're better than Creed. I just found it odd that my older sister who used to listen to Kenny G is into them now.

westofyou
12-07-2005, 08:44 PM
I think Pinkerton was the best, then it all went away.I like to ride my bike real fast and listen to the Green album.

Weezer reminds me alot of Cheap Trick in the late 70's, they are somewhat irreverent and can turn it up to eleven with hooks that satiate my AM radio weaned boomer brain.

Cedric
12-07-2005, 08:46 PM
We should have a competition for rep points on the exact date Stapp signs up for Surreal life.

westofyou
12-07-2005, 08:46 PM
I just found it odd that my older sister who used to listen to Kenny G is into them now.She had the crappy Spirit albums and had a thing for Duke Jupitar

Caseyfan21
12-07-2005, 09:30 PM
Funny story, the first concert rock type concert I ever went to was a Creed concert. I'm pretty embarrassed about now so I try to keep focus on the Dave Matthews Band show I went to the next summer. I just remember it this way, my friend was a big Creed fan and convinced me to go and I was a DMB fan and I convinced him to go. My friend and i have been to 9 DMB shows together since so I always remind him back then I did have the better music taste. :laugh:

Caseyfan21
12-07-2005, 09:32 PM
We should have a competition for rep points on the exact date Stapp signs up for Surreal life.


Sooner rather than later, but only if the guys from 311 are on it. After what went down between them a couple weeks ago how funny would it be to see that? :thumbup:

TeamBoone
12-07-2005, 09:35 PM
I just found it odd that my older sister who used to listen to Kenny G is into them now.

I like Kenny G too.

And that's part of what I mean. I like a whole lot of different kinds of music, usually mood dependent. Other people sometimes like different stuff... and that's ok. Just because I don't like them, doesn't mean they stink.

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 10:07 PM
I think they should stay out of the music biz. I'll leave it at that.

Well, you started it. :) On the one hand, I have no problem with MLB trying to draw new fans to baseball using what they feel are the best possible methods. It can only help to broaden the appeal of the sport. On the other hand, I think of Spiderman's face plastered on bases around the diamond. I shudder at that thought.

pedro
12-07-2005, 10:09 PM
Well, you started it. :)

that I did.

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 10:25 PM
I'm in no way saying that these things can not be critiqued, but bashed is something else entirely.

That is the difference that caused my confusion over your original post. I understand where your coming now and offer my appologies for the confusion. I don't really think pedro was bashing Creed with his comment though. An opinion is one thing, bashing is quiet another. For an example, check out any BF thread.


For what it's worth, when a supposed expert or reviewer gives me his own reasons not to like something subjective, that's my first clue to find out for myself. After doing so, I often disagree with the reviewer... simply because his/her taste is different from mine.

Oh me too! I've usually made my mind up before hand whether or not I want to check out something. A critic won't change that at all. Maybe though, they give me a reason to check it out when I wouldn't normally have done so. But, if someone whose opinions I respect on other things, says something sucks, I'm going to give that some weight when deciding if I really want to watch, read, listen, etc.

Reds Nd2
12-07-2005, 10:31 PM
that I did.

It really is a good topic pedro. Just how and how far should MLB go in promoting the sport?

Cedric
12-07-2005, 10:53 PM
I like to ride my bike real fast and listen to the Green album.

Weezer reminds me alot of Cheap Trick in the late 70's, they are somewhat irreverent and can turn it up to eleven with hooks that satiate my AM radio weaned boomer brain.

Yeah, weezer is just great catchy pop. Rivers knows how to do it. My name is Jonas is one of my favorite all time tracks.

pedro
12-07-2005, 11:00 PM
It really is a good topic pedro. Just how and how far should MLB go in promoting the sport?

I think, as has been somewhat born out in a very short time in this thread, that MLB should probably look towards other avenues rather than tie-ins with rock muscians in its' attempt to expand its' fan base, especially if this is being done to attract a younger audience as younger people are usually much more passionate about their musical tastes IMO.

Caseyfan21
12-08-2005, 01:40 AM
I think, as has been somewhat born out in a very short time in this thread, that MLB should probably look towards other avenues rather than tie-ins with rock muscians in its' attempt to expand its' fan base, especially if this is being done to attract a younger audience as younger people are usually much more passionate about their musical tastes IMO.

Look at the NBA and NFL, they are both using music extensively to promote their sports to the younger generation and they are both doing better at attracting my generation than baseball has done. I go up and down the hall in my dorm any time during the year and I have yet to see groups of guys playing MLB 2005. Heck even last year when it first came out in the spring no one was playing. The NFL, NCAA football and basketball, and NBA are king with the college age crowd. That's a shame because if the MLB did a better marketing job I'm sure they could attract a whole lot more people.

Ravenlord
12-08-2005, 03:02 AM
if you can, find an MP3 of HammerFall's "Let the Hammer Fall." listen especially to the last 30 seconds or so of it (starting at the 3:40 mark). then tell me that it wouldn't be perfect to market your closer with (assuming that he has a nasty slider, curve, or slurve).

as well, if you have a guy who's intenionally walked a lot (and not with a steroid bonds like personality) playing the chorus to "Walk" by Pantera would be a good marketing tool as well:

"RE-
SPECT
WALK
what did you say?
RE-
SPECT
WALK
are you talking to me?"

TeamBoone
12-08-2005, 05:26 PM
Why is that MLB can never do anything right? Someone, please tell us. Are the other sports smarter, have better marketing... perhaps big payrolls in that department? There's got to be a reason... or is it just Bud?

RedFanAlways1966
12-08-2005, 05:54 PM
Why is that MLB can never do anything right? Someone, please tell us. Are the other sports smarter, have better marketing... perhaps big payrolls in that department? There's got to be a reason... or is it just Bud?

I see it this way... when you choose an individual or group to perform music, you will always have certain types who do not like that person or group. There are lots of musical performers/groups that I do not like. There are many individuals/groups that I do like. For every Scott Stapp fan, there may be a Scott Stapp "non-liker". It may be the music and/or it may be his personality. The guy's group, Creed, did sell millions of records though. Therefore, someone must like him and/or his former group.

No matter who you choose for something like this, there will be those who do not like it. And, as most of us know, the non-likers will be the loudest and will be heard louder than those who may like that musical person/group.