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Blimpie
12-16-2005, 02:25 PM
Well, seeing as though we are now officially down to T-24 hours and counting....There happens to be a basketball game being played here tomorrow in our little downtown arena that I thought might draw a little interest on this board. Okay, you got me--I really just wanted to chat with WilyMoRocks.

Anyway, the talk around here is that UK will play "newly inspired" ball due to the recent announcement that Randolph Morris will be freed from indenture on January 10th. I predict that the suspension decision will have the opposite effect. In other words, somebody who is currently starting will soon be riding the bench. That person is gonna do all that he can to make Tubby's benching decision far more difficult. Translation: An already selfish UK team may start dining on each other's flesh in order to secure a starting position (I am staring in your general direction, Joe Crawford :nono: ).

Yes, Tubby has enjoyed a full week off since Indiana, but that wasn't the kinda game I would have wanted a long layoff after (even without finals taking place). I expect that by the end of the game, most of the UK players will appear as though they suffer from Emphysema.

My prediction: When it matters most, Louisville hits their free throws and Kentucky does not. Coach Teener avenges the ghost of Patrick Sparks and comes out with narrow 4 point victory, 78-74.

WVRed
12-16-2005, 02:52 PM
With the way things are going right now, Louisville will win by as many as they want.

Joseph
12-16-2005, 02:56 PM
I'm a UK fan, but I don't see them winning this game barring injuries on the UL side. This COULD be one of the worst blowouts in series history.

Reds4Life
12-16-2005, 03:08 PM
As a UC fan I must say..........................go Louisville! :D

guttle11
12-16-2005, 03:33 PM
Louisville just scored.

WMR
12-16-2005, 04:06 PM
Hmmm... well, the one thing that can allow UK to approach this game somewhat optimistically is that Louisville has played scrubs and only scrubs up to this point in their season and a few of those scrubbish teams have actually pressed them fairly hard.


Date Day Opponent Location TV Time/Result
11/02/05 Wed BELLARMINE (Exhibition) FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 70-63
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11/19/05 Sat TENNESSEE-MARTIN FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 78-61
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11/20/05 Sun SOUTHERN INDIANA (Exhibition) FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 82-77
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12/03/05 Sat PRAIRIE VIEW A&M
(Colonial Classic) FREEDOM HALL WBKI W, 90-65
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12/04/05 Sun ARKANSAS STATE
(Colonial Classic) FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 67-55
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12/05/05 Mon RICHMOND
(Colonial Classic) FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 53-45
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12/10/05 Sat AKRON FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 111-85
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12/13/05 Tue CHICAGO STATE FREEDOM HALL WHAS W, 78-54
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Perhaps they're just playing down to the level of their competition, but a couple of those games legitimately could have been losses. They just haven't played anybody good. They're battling some injuries. I don't know, looking at Louisville objectively (difficult to do, I'll admit) I just can't be high on a team that has an undefeated record based on beating the cupcakes that they have played.

I still think this team is capable of playing some good basketball. Louisville doesn't put incredible emphasis on the inside game which could actually be a huge boon to us in this matchup.

As we all know, they love to run and gun. If this team will play like an actual team rather than a bunch of selfish jerks--as I so aptly described them in a previous thread--then UK *will* have a chance.

A Patrick Sparks sighting would be nice. I wish that guy would become a team leader, I'm just not sure if he has enough talent to get the youngsters--who appear to think they are God's gift to basketball--to follow what he says.

Ahhhh, I'll pick UK to win a squeaker, just b/c it's at Rupp. I think Blimpie's right, though, our poor FT shooting could end up making the difference in this game.

WMR
12-17-2005, 02:06 PM
Okay, why doesn't CBS list UK's ranking (#23)? They have #4 in front of Louisville, but list UK as unranked. Are they going by some poll that doesn't have UK ranked in the top 25 or is it just the evil Billy Packer at work yet again?

Matt700wlw
12-17-2005, 02:16 PM
As a UC fan I must say..........................go Louisville! :D

As a UC fan, I must say..........go neither!! :D :p: :D

Cyclone792
12-17-2005, 02:44 PM
As a UC fan, I must say..........go neither!! :D :p: :D

Actually, as a UC fan you should say ... go Louisville! :thumbup:

Right now, it may look like UC is gonna need all the help it can get to reach the tourney. We need the Big East to absolutely dominate so UC's RPI can reap the benefits of having a tougher schedule and being in a ridiculous conference.

Reds4Life
12-17-2005, 03:04 PM
You can tell Louisville hasn't played anyone this year. Texas is getting crushed too, again. They were down by 20 with 19 seconds left in the 1st half.

Cyclone,

UC is #10 in the RPI right now and has #1 ranking in strength of schedule. That will probably tank though since our next 2 games are against cupcakes.

WMR
12-17-2005, 03:29 PM
Louisville, where you at?!?!?!?!?!

C'mon ring Pitino up one more time, I want to see him take the walk of shame.

Big Donkey
12-17-2005, 04:25 PM
So, has a half-decent lineup finally been found for this team? Looks like it, I didn't get to check out the game...

Joseph
12-17-2005, 04:56 PM
Color me wrong, and impressed.

WMR
12-17-2005, 06:17 PM
So, has a half-decent lineup finally been found for this team? Looks like it, I didn't get to check out the game...

Well, they basically did what we said they needed to do.

Patrick Sparks played a good game and actually helped control the flow of things;

Bradley and Crawford cut down on the ill-advised shots (with Crawford playing a HECK of a game with an absolute MONSTER dunk);

Woo played probably his best game ever as a Cat;

Tubby is finally beginning to realize that Bobby Perry sort of sucks and seriously cut back his minutes;

Rekalin Sims is a HORRIBLE passer and decision-maker with the ball, there's a reason he had to go JUCO...

Overall, the unselfishness was the biggest difference today, with players finally beginning to appear willing to accept certain roles. If they had played this way against UNC & Indiana, absolutely no way they lose those games.

Hopefully this will be a springboard to bigger and better things and the players will continue to embrace this team-first style.

Blimpie
12-17-2005, 08:58 PM
Well, they basically did what we said they needed to do.

Patrick Sparks played a good game and actually helped control the flow of things;

Bradley and Crawford cut down on the ill-advised shots (with Crawford playing a HECK of a game with an absolute MONSTER dunk);

Woo played probably his best game ever as a Cat;

Tubby is finally beginning to realize that Bobby Perry sort of sucks and seriously cut back his minutes;

Rekalin Sims is a HORRIBLE passer and decision-maker with the ball, there's a reason he had to go JUCO...

Overall, the unselfishness was the biggest difference today, with players finally beginning to appear willing to accept certain roles. If they had played this way against UNC & Indiana, absolutely no way they lose those games.

Hopefully this will be a springboard to bigger and better things and the players will continue to embrace this team-first style.I'll see your post, and raise you this: Rajon Rondo is still bitter at his hometown school and, more specifically, Pitino for failing to offer him a scholarship. I'll bet that Pitino sees visions of Sebastian Telfair in his nightmares....

Rondo played like a madman and was never out of control at any point today. I think he hit about 75% of his free throws which should warm hearts all across the Bluegrass...

Blimpie
12-17-2005, 09:08 PM
You can tell Louisville hasn't played anyone this year. Texas is getting crushed too, again. They were down by 20 with 19 seconds left in the 1st half.Yep....but believe it or not, today's loss will hurt Texas more in March than it will tomorrow. Unranked Tennessee (currently 6-0) is the team that was drubbing Texas today. Once Tennessee finishes their conference season around .500 in a watered down SEC, their anemic RPI will, in turn demolish the RPI of Texas when they are lobbying for a higher seed in the NCAA....

Sweetstop
12-17-2005, 09:20 PM
2nd largest crowd ever at Rupp today and one of the noisiest I've ever heard. It definitely helped. "Over-rated" chants rose over and over toward the end. Woo was chosen "star of the game". Of course Rondo could have been. Maybe Tubby finally found a starting five.

WMR
12-17-2005, 09:28 PM
2nd largest crowd ever at Rupp today and one of the noisiest I've ever heard. It definitely helped. "Over-rated" chants rose over and over toward the end. Woo was chosen "star of the game". Of course Rondo could have been. Maybe Tubby finally found a starting five.

Yes! Definitely! Whenever anything good happened for UK, the roar of the crowd was unbelievably loud and gave me goosebumps a couple times.

Man oh man, it really looked at first like Pitino was given 2 tech's!! Ahh, that would have been so sweet seeing him forced to walk off the court amidst the cheers of a raucous crowd like the one at the game today.

Reds4Life
12-17-2005, 11:07 PM
Yes! Definitely! Whenever anything good happened for UK, the roar of the crowd was unbelievably loud and gave me goosebumps a couple times.

Man oh man, it really looked at first like Pitino was given 2 tech's!! Ahh, that would have been so sweet seeing him forced to walk off the court amidst the cheers of a raucous crowd like the one at the game today.

Why do you KY guys hate Pitino so much? He took a program that went 13-19 under Eddie Sutton and turned it around. For a guy that won 81% of his games at Kentucky and delivered a national championships for the first time since 77-78' you'd think the "fans" would show him a little more respect.

WMR
12-17-2005, 11:40 PM
Why do you KY guys hate Pitino so much? He took a program that went 13-19 under Eddie Sutton and turned it around. For a guy that won 81% of his games at Kentucky and delivered a national championships for the first time since 77-78' you'd think the "fans" would show him a little more respect.

I don't hate Pitino.

The guy has always followed the dollar, and I certainly can't fault him for that; to each his own, I suppose.

HOWEVER: Whenever he plays UK, I want to see his team get crushed. Furthermore, I found it indescribably amusing when he got T'd up today.

What, Kentucky fans are supposed to bow at the guy's feet now that he's coaching the.... ugh.... LOUISVILLE CARDINALS???

Please, get real.

Pitino has an important place in the history of UK basketball. HOWEVER: He didn't win that championship, his players did.

And the thought of seeing the former king of Rupp Arena forced to walk off the court b/c of his big mouth is both ironic and very funny to me.

I respect the guy as a coach and for what he did for Kentucky basketball, but he's the enemy now.

How much does he really care about UK basketball since he was willing to coach our most hated rival? Would Adolph Rupp have gone to coach at UL? NO. He was a legend, HE WAS--WAS!!--UK basketball. That's what Rick was well on his way to becoming (some would argue that he was already there). HOWEVER, his willingness to coach at UL demonstrates to me that he didn't see his time at UK as anything more than a temporary job. That went a long way in tempering how I feel towards the man.He never considered himself a true Wildcat, and that is OKAY.

But Louisville basketball sucks. LOL, I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. And now Rick Pitino is a key component of that suckitude and he will not be beloved again in Lexington until his days of coaching Louisville are through.

Reds4Life
12-18-2005, 12:01 AM
I don't think people should bow at his feet, but some of the crap he takes from KY fans is really over the top. I remember his first game back in Rupp and people were holding up signs calling him a traitor and shouting obscene things at his family, very classy. I don't think Rick owes some great allegiance to Kentucky that he should have turned down a job at Louisville. Pitino had been out of college basketball for 4 years when he accepted that job. Did he take some blood oath he was never allowed to coach college basketball again after leaving Kentucky?

It seems to me Kentucky basketball, and their fans, owe a lot to Rick Pitino. I hope one day the Kentucky faithful can get over their hurt feelings and realize that.


But Louisville basketball sucks. LOL, I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is

Louisville will win a national title before Kentucky does again.

WMR
12-18-2005, 12:14 AM
I don't think people should bow at his feet, but some of the crap he takes from KY fans is really over the top. I remember his first game back in Rupp and people were holding up signs calling him a traitor and shouting obscene things at his family, very classy. I don't think Rick owes some great allegiance to Kentucky that he should have turned down a job at Louisville. Pitino had been out of college basketball for 4 years when he accepted that job. Did he take some blood oath he was never allowed to coach college basketball again after leaving Kentucky?

It seems to me Kentucky basketball, and their fans, owe a lot to Rick Pitino. I hope one day the Kentucky faithful can get over their hurt feelings and realize that.

Hey I wasn't calling for shouting things at his family, nor would I ever do such a thing. That was the distinct minority, and you'll find knuckleheads like that in every sports arena in America, esp. when considering the emtions involved in this very unique situation.

I don't think Rick should have turned the job down either: IF THAT'S WHAT IS TRULY IN HIS HEART, as it turned out obviously to be. I know I couldn't do it. Become beloved by the majority of a state and then come back and coach their most detested rival??? There were plenty of high-profile jobs in the college ranks that Pitino could have accepted, but he was willing to go to Louisville. That is fine. Good for him. But don't expect such a decision to not have an impact on his legacy at UK, for however long he is at Louisville.

When he leaves Louisville, it'll be a lot easier for UK fans to accept him back into our hearts. As for loving the guy, RIGHT NOW, however? You're asking UK fans to separate emotions that cannot be separated.

His legacy at UK is a great one. But he cannot be loved in Lexington while he coaches the dreaded Louisville Cardinals.


Louisville will win a national title before Kentucky does again.

Ah ha! I think not, grasshopper!! ;)

KronoRed
12-18-2005, 12:18 AM
But Louisville basketball sucks. LOL, I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.
Sorry to jump in here, but if Louisville sucks so much why are UK fans so happy to beat them? or even care about beating them? further more shouldn't you guys beat such a sucky team by more then 12?


;)

Reds4Life
12-18-2005, 12:24 AM
I'm not saying you did those things, I didn't mean to imply that you did, but a lot of folks did. I was at that game, it wasn't a minority. I felt so bad for his wife having to sit there and listen to that garbage when he did so much for the program. I don't expect UK fans to cheer for him, but I got the impression that many have a deep hatred for the guy.

Oh well, I guess the Huggins mess has me reflecting on what coaches have done over the years. Xavier fans will probably hate Prosser too when he returns to coach UC. ;)

WMR
12-18-2005, 12:26 AM
Well, I wouldn't care if somebody good naturedly ribbed the guy; but, certainly, yelling vitriole at the guy's family is way way out of line.

WMR
12-18-2005, 12:29 AM
Sorry to jump in here, but if Louisville sucks so much why are UK fans so happy to beat them? or even care about beating them? further more shouldn't you guys beat such a sucky team by more then 12?


;)

I don't mean sucks as in they are a bad team.

When a UK fan says Louisville Sucks, it's being said on an almost spiritual level, it isn't meant to reflect on their actual ability.

They're a good team with an incredibly able coach.

But they still--and always will-suck. :evil:
(sort of like Florida, while we're at it)

WMR
12-18-2005, 12:32 AM
And for further clarification: No, no margin of victory over Louisville (or Florida!! ;) ) is ever margin enough.

KronoRed
12-18-2005, 12:33 AM
(sort of like Florida, while we're at it)
Who won the last 2 meetings?

and while were at it..how's the football team? :devil:

WMR
12-18-2005, 12:39 AM
Who won the last 2 meetings?

LOL, last 2??? hahaha, let's be fair, let's look at the last 100. That might be a better barometer of relative success. Or we can compare SEC titles or SEC championships if you want???



and while were at it..how's the football team? :devil:

I don't know how UK did in football this year. I was too busy watching Florida get smacked down by Spurrier. :duel:

KronoRed
12-18-2005, 03:16 AM
LOL, last 2??? hahaha, let's be fair, let's look at the last 100. That might be a better barometer of relative success. Or we can compare SEC titles or SEC championships if you want???


Lets look at the last 2 meetings and forget antient history
:evil:


I don't know how UK did in football this year. I was too busy watching Florida get smacked down by Spurrier. :duel:
Sad.

;)

KronoRed
12-18-2005, 03:19 AM
All in good fun of course ;)

Anyway, I'm not a smack talker..you may continue on without me :D

WMR
12-18-2005, 07:10 AM
All in good fun of course ;)

Anyway, I'm not a smack talker..you may continue on without me :D

:beerme:

Definitely, definitely, all in good fun.

Blimpie
12-18-2005, 01:00 PM
I have no hatred for Pitino whatsoever. In fact, I love his ability to speak candidly with the media. While on the court yesterday, he could have spit fire he was so mad at the referee. But during his press conference last night, he admitted that the ref made the correct call (on the charge) and that the refs were not the problem in the game, his team's effort was to blame. He also said that the Rupp fans were correct when they chanted "over-rated" because--at a # 4 ranking--that is exactly what they were. For weeks, Pitino has been stating publicly that their lofty ranking was more of a product of last year's team making the Final Four, than it was due to this year's team accomplishments.

My real beef with Pitino is that he is terribly flawed in one crucial character quality: He would rather climb a tree and lie to you, than stand there and tell you the truth.

Some of the near-miss UK recruits (and their parents) during the mid-late 90's had nothing nice to say about Rick and some of his "promises" during the recruiting process. Promises about playing time and which players would /would not be redshirted all factor into a recruit's decision. Not to mention the fact of whether or not Rick actually planned on staying at UK for the duration of his contract.

While he coached UK, fans had to endure his regular dalliances with NBA teams (Nets, Lakers, Knicks and Celtics) all of which occurred during PRIME recruiting seasons. He promised that UK was his dream job, then when Boston broke the bank--he claimed he meant that he meant it was only his college dream job. After he failed with the Celtics, he even came close to taking the UNLV job, but eventually settled in Louisville.

All fine and well. I could never fault someone for trying to better himself. But if he stated that UK was truly the best college basketball program (and job) in the country when he coached here, why then did he try to demean it after taking the Louisville job? When asked basically a "fill-in-the-blank" question about the same matter a few years ago, he intentionally slighted the UK Nation and mentioned Carolina, Duke, Kansas and even UCLA before he cited Kentucky. Rick is still Rick. God love him, he's a company man to the end.

As far as Rick's family being treated poorly when he returned to Rupp Arena, I can only recall one instance when somebody in the upper level held up a sign that said,

"Hey Rick, we didn't like JoAnne either!"

Not exactly scathing. If you were familiar with some of the comments that Rick's wife said about the city of Lexington (both while he coached here and subsequent to that), you would think that she got off easy with that sign.

Joseph
12-18-2005, 01:06 PM
In Rick's defense, he said many times he never wanted to leave UK and that when the Boston thing came along he had his agent ask for everything, the money, the control the whole 9, thinking there was no way the Celtics would agree to it and he wouldn't be faced with a decision. Unfortunately they did agree and he left and has since said he wishes he never had. The reason he is coaching UL os because of his love for the state of Kentucky. It's sad to see him there yes, but I don't think it's quite so heartless as you suggest.

WMR
12-18-2005, 03:36 PM
hey Blimpie: Is Joe Crawford considered a legitimate NBA prospect?

Being 6' 4" seems to put him on the periphery... He certainly couldn't play the 3 in the NBA, does he have the skill-set and athletic ability (SPEED; probably his biggest deficiency in playing the 2 in the NBA) to play at the next level?

KYRedsFan
12-18-2005, 07:15 PM
A UK fan bringing up football. Might as well ask a blind guy what he thinks of the Sistine Chapel.

Blimpie
12-18-2005, 07:55 PM
hey Blimpie: Is Joe Crawford considered a legitimate NBA prospect?

Being 6' 4" seems to put him on the periphery... He certainly couldn't play the 3 in the NBA, does he have the skill-set and athletic ability (SPEED; probably his biggest deficiency in playing the 2 in the NBA) to play at the next level?I'd like to see how he plays this year before saying one way or another. But right now, I'd say that he's too much of a tweener. After yesterday's game--his best in a UK uniform--reporters were trying to compare his game to Kelenna Azubuike's. To his credit, Crawford was the first person to silence that talk.

Crawford stressed that the two players have way too different styles to be compared fairly. I agree with everything he stated: Kelenna was better from the perimeter and had easier matchups with the opponent's # 4 spot. While, Crawford is a better penetrator off the dribble and much more physical on the defensive end.

All told, I would just settle for Crawford showing signs of consistency. It's been a whole year since his Freshman defection. He was welcomed back with open arms...now it is time for him to earn his righful spot in the starting lineup.

Otherwise, you are going to see far too much of the human sledgehammer: Bobby Perry

WMR
12-18-2005, 08:14 PM
Otherwise, you are going to see far too much of the human sledgehammer: Bobby Perry

I just threw-up a little in my mouth.

I really really hate what Perry's game has become.

He should NOT have the green light to shoot 3's.

WAY TOO INCONSISTENT to be chucking up perimeter shots.

WVRed
12-18-2005, 08:53 PM
hey Blimpie: Is Joe Crawford considered a legitimate NBA prospect?

Being 6' 4" seems to put him on the periphery... He certainly couldn't play the 3 in the NBA, does he have the skill-set and athletic ability (SPEED; probably his biggest deficiency in playing the 2 in the NBA) to play at the next level?

Rondo is more of a pro prospect at this point. Crawford has all the ability to be, but he needs to mature a little more.

WMR
12-18-2005, 11:32 PM
Rondo is more of a pro prospect at this point. Crawford has all the ability to be, but he needs to mature a little more.

Without a doubt. Rondo's NBA future is all but guaranteed; Crawford's tools and height make his NBA prospects debatable and more interesting to discuss.