View Full Version : Marty says we finish no better than 4th
Dano's Reds World
02-25-2002, 06:09 PM
Unless we catch lightning in a bottle with the young pitchers as we did in 99.
I listened to an interview with TSN about the Reese and Young comments.
<a href="http://mfile.akamai.com/3310/rm/sportnws.download.akamai.com/3310/i/media/audio/2/20020223/6880.ram" target="_blank">http://mfile.akamai.com/3310/rm/sportnws.download.akamai.com/3310/i/media/audio/2/20020223/6880.ram</a>
That's the link it is a good listen if you have 10 minutes.
02-25-2002, 06:14 PM
Marty also said that there was NO WAY the Reds would acquire Junior.
Typical Tar Heel. Nothing but a bag of hot air.
02-25-2002, 06:20 PM
Sadly I think Marty is right. Had to reregister this post reply is really only a test.
02-25-2002, 06:23 PM
Unless the Reds find better starting pitching, much better, Marty's right.
02-25-2002, 06:35 PM
What the hell does Marty know? For a Reds broadcaster, he doesn't have a clue what the inside information is going on in the organization. <img border="0" alt="[pimpin]" title="" src="graemlins/pimp.gif" />
Dano's Reds World
02-25-2002, 06:55 PM
LOL Krusty, I kind of got that feeling listening to the interview. Most if not all the things he said were open ended........
Geez! You put a guy in the HOF, and the next thing you know, he thinks he's Peter Gammons. Who listens to guys with "puffy hair" anyway? <img border="0" alt="[rolling]" title="" src="graemlins/roll.gif" />
We were predicted to finish no better than 4th going into 1999 also. If certain players click, and we stay healthy, then we can be competitive this year. Winning is a team effort.
02-25-2002, 08:07 PM
I just wanted to say you guys have a interesting site and I agree with Marty.
02-25-2002, 08:10 PM
I agree that 4th place is a reasonable pick. I really look for the Reds to be about a .500 team this year, but COULD the Reds contend, win about 90-95 games or so? I think so. Which team looks stronger going into spring training, this team or the 1999 Reds? The 1999 Reds appeared to have stronger starting piching with Harnisch and Neagle, but the 2002 Reds otherwise appear to be a stronger team on paper-problem is they play the games on grass and turf, not paper.
02-25-2002, 09:18 PM
Things have to go like they did in 99 to contend. No injuries (Boone, Larkin, Jr., Casey)and a few career years(Boone, Casey, & starting RF). Most important the starting pitching needs to catch fire. I think Etherton & Haynes may surprise but will that be enough?
That is a big list that all has to go right. I think 4th is a fair guess.
02-25-2002, 09:22 PM
I would take Marty over Gammons anyday! Fourth place is about right with this pitching staff.
02-25-2002, 09:34 PM
Oh Ye of Little Faith
02-25-2002, 09:52 PM
Marty is as close to above reproach as anyone associated with this organization. As I've said on this board before, he's more responsible for me being a fan than any one particular player.
I think his comments might be a bit on the inflammatory side, though, about the 4th place finish.
He's probably right, but it's by no means assured.
And when the Reds finish higher than 4th in the division, creek and I are going to pay a little visit to the booth and have a lonnng talk with the "puffy haired" one! :p
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02-25-2002, 10:15 PM
Marty is right 98% of the time. This just isn't one of those times. Reds finish either 1st or 2nd. Bank it! :p
02-25-2002, 10:37 PM
I like listening to Marty broadcast games, but whenever he starts thinking and talking at the same time, he usually says something stupid. I think a worst case scenario would have the Reds in 4th at the end of the year. That could happen if we are hit with the injury bug again, and there is no obvious development and improvement from last year's starting rotation.
However, I think our offense and bullpen could be good enough to carry an average rotation all the way to the playoffs if we have good health this year. If I had to guess at this time, I would say the Reds will finish 2nd or 3rd in the division, and will be in the wild card hunt until the middle of september. If we acquire a topline starter by the trade deadline, this team is playoff bound.
02-25-2002, 10:47 PM
If the starting pitching is the same as last year and offense stays healthy, they go 81-81.
If someone other than Dessens and Davis can step up and give us a few quality starts, we can be contending by June and Bowden will hopefully pull the trigger for another arm. :D (maybe).
Until I see how these guys pitch in the spring, I have to go with Marty. 4th (which would probably be 81-81).
02-25-2002, 11:40 PM
I hope Marty is off base <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
02-25-2002, 11:52 PM
4th will be the pick by most people; IMO I think it will be third because one of these three teams will really have a tough year. Cubs (the team I think will), Cards, Astros. Both the Cards and Astros will be hard to beat.
02-26-2002, 12:08 AM
I think this team, if healthy, can compete for a wildcard spot. Of course I am an extremely biased Reds fan so my opinion doesn't mean a whole lot in the big scope of reality.
I would love to have another viable option or two for a starting pitcher but the season hasn't started yet.
Bottom line to me is the health/injury factor. Last year was horrible in that regard for the Reds. If the Reds remain healthier than the other division foes, then I like our chances.
02-26-2002, 12:50 AM
I'm telling you, these guys are better than they are given credit for. There are going to be a lot of surprises in store for a lot of teams playing against the REDS this year. Apparently there are gonna be a few surprised that work for the Reds also.
Mike de la Hoz
02-26-2002, 12:55 AM
On what basis do these edicts of juvenile optimism exist. On the basis of Elmer dessens as an ace?
02-26-2002, 12:58 AM
Marty's a HOFer, and I think of him in much the same way as cincinnati chili, but he's still your typical human being. When he pontificates about the Reds, he ALWAYS believes he's the one with the right answer.
That false prediction about Junior gets dusted off fairly often, but it is a good example for those who like to say, "It's true because Marty Brennaman says it's true." I would have to disagree that he's right 90% of the time, but he is as qualified as anyone to throw his opinions around...it's just that he's not Nastrodamus or even Miss Cleo. I listen with an open mind to what he has to say, but I don't doubt my own opinions if they don't jive with his just because he's a HOFer.
In this case, though, I agree. If what he said was "unless we catch lightning in a bottle with the pitchers like they did in '99, they won't finish better than 4th," then what's the debate about? They do need to pitchers to step up like they did in '99 because the Cards, Astros and Cubs are all very good baseball teams heading into the season.
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Dano's Reds World
02-26-2002, 07:00 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Mike de la Hoz:
<strong>On what basis do these edicts of juvenile optimism exist. On the basis of Elmer dessens as an ace?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LOL, on the basis of optimism..........
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