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Red Thunder
01-03-2006, 05:43 PM
The Pirates today agreed to terms with free-agent outfielder Jeromy Burnitz on a one-year contract with a mutual option for 2007. Financial terms were not immediately available, but the salary for the coming season is believed to be in the range of $6 million.

Burnitz, who will turn 37 April 15, has 299 career home runs and will fill the Pirates' desire for a power-hitting cleanup hitter in right field. He batted .258 last season for the Chicago Cubs with 24 home runs, 31 doubles and 87 RBIs. He led the team with 160 games played and 40 two-out RBIs.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06003/631844.stm

Red Thunder
01-03-2006, 05:54 PM
I wonder what this signing means for Craig Wilson and his .387 OBP in 2005 (.363 OBP lifetime). Burnitz posted a .322 OBP last season for the Cubs. Maybe the Pirates envision more output by Burnitz as PNC Park favours lefthanded hitters.

11BarryLarkin11
01-03-2006, 06:59 PM
I wonder what this signing means for Craig Wilson and his .387 OBP in 2005 (.363 OBP lifetime). Burnitz posted a .322 OBP last season for the Cubs. Maybe the Pirates envision more output by Burnitz as PNC Park favours lefthanded hitters.

More likely, the Pirates are continuing their front office ineptitude. Craig Wilson is the better player, but with Sean Casey at first, Jason Bay and Jeromy Burnitz at the corner outfield spots, there's no place left for Craig Wilson.

Career
Wilson
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .268/.363/.488/.851

Burnitz
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .255/.348/.485/.833

Another move by the Pirates designed to keep us out of the cellar. Thanks, Dave Littlefield.

Nugget
01-03-2006, 07:06 PM
That means that the Ramirez/Clement for Tejada deal may be on again as Burnitz was mean to be going to Os which supposedly killed off that deal. However, I don't think the trade will help the REDS.

Heath
01-03-2006, 07:29 PM
As long as Burnitz doesn't go "Derek Bell" on the Pirates, this ought to be a good pick-up for the Buccos.

Red Heeler
01-03-2006, 07:37 PM
You suppose the Pirates would take Dave Williams back for Craig Wilson?

redsfanmia
01-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Another move by the Pirates designed to keep us out of the cellar. Thanks, Dave Littlefield.[/QUOTE]
Im not so sure about that, take a look at the Pirates young pitching and then get back with me.

alex trevino
01-03-2006, 07:53 PM
How does Jeromy Burnitz keep getting a job year after year?

MrCinatit
01-03-2006, 07:56 PM
Another move by the Pirates designed to keep us out of the cellar. Thanks, Dave Littlefield.
Im not so sure about that, take a look at the Pirates young pitching and then get back with me.[/QUOTE]

i think our own moves have done an adequate job of ensuring our last-place finshes.
Thanks Dan0

MartyFan
01-03-2006, 08:49 PM
Another move by the Pirates designed to keep us out of the cellar. Thanks, Dave Littlefield.
Im not so sure about that, take a look at the Pirates young pitching and then get back with me.[/QUOTE]


Littlefield is clearly the best GM the Reds have had over the last 10 years.

Unassisted
01-03-2006, 08:53 PM
It would be interesting to research whether these players they are picking up had their best seasons in a particular year. I'm starting to think that the Pirates stopped their subscription to the baseball statistics service a few years back and are making decisions based on 3 or 4 year-old data. It certainly explains the interest in Sosa. If that proves to be the case, DanO should send them Eric Milton! ;)

Johnny Footstool
01-04-2006, 12:25 AM
$6 million per year for Burnitz is a bad deal, regardless of who is on the mound.

KoryMac5
01-04-2006, 01:26 AM
I also would not have given Burnitz even close to 6 million dollars. But we are the team that is paying Eric Milton big dollars to throw batting practice.

registerthis
01-04-2006, 10:36 AM
How does Jeromy Burnitz keep getting a job year after year?

He's not chopped liver, you know. An .833 OPS isn't in the stratosphere, but it's above a good number of established ML players. Including one infielder whom the Reds recently signed.

Ravenlord
01-04-2006, 10:53 AM
Wilson
Year Age AB H 2B 3B HR BB AVG OBP SLG Home
2005 28 197 52 14 1 5 30 264 387 421 PNC
2004 27 561 148 35 5 29 50 264 354 499 PNC
2003 26 309 81 15 4 18 35 262 360 511 PNC
2002 25 368 97 16 1 16 32 264 355 443 PNC

Burnitz
Year Age AB H 2B 3B HR BB AVG OBP SLG Home
2005 36 605 156 31 2 24 57 258 322 435 Wrigley
2004 35 540 153 30 4 37 58 283 356 559 Coors
2003 34 464 111 22 0 31 35 239 298 487 Shea/Dodger
2002 33 479 103 15 0 19 58 215 311 365 Shea
and unlike Wilson, Burnitz didn't have two surgeries on the index finger of his lefthand last year.

for whatever reason, Littlefield hates Craig Wilson. not sure why. maybe he's confusing Jack Wilson's numbers with Craig Wilson's numbers?

traderumor
01-04-2006, 11:18 AM
for whatever reason, Littlefield hates Craig Wilson. not sure why. maybe he's confusing Jack Wilson's numbers with Craig Wilson's numbers?I think its the long hair.

Ravenlord
01-04-2006, 11:18 AM
I think its the long hair.
he shaved his head last winter.

Puffy
01-04-2006, 11:51 AM
He's not chopped liver, you know. An .833 OPS isn't in the stratosphere, but it's above a good number of established ML players. Including one infielder whom the Reds recently signed.

Well, his last 4 years are:

.757
.915
.785
.676

Guess which year is the year he played in Coors??

Getting a job - sure. Getting a starting position - shouldn't. 6 million for one season - no freakin way.

registerthis
01-04-2006, 12:25 PM
Well, his last 4 years are:

.757
.915
.785
.676

Guess which year is the year he played in Coors??

Getting a job - sure. Getting a starting position - shouldn't. 6 million for one season - no freakin way.

Wasn't defending his salary, simply addressing the question of how he continues to get work. A .750 OPS with 25 HRs and 80 RBI looks fine to many teams.

deltachi8
01-04-2006, 01:04 PM
He will get a minimum of $6.7M. $6M for 06, an option in 07 for another $6M with a $700K buyout. Also can earn about $250K in bonus $.

When I say the Pirates signed him, i was not suprsied. $6M per is what shocked me. You can make the argument of $6M over two years, but not one.

The Pirates expect Wilson to get near $4M in arbitration and probably want to ship him out. Where does he go?

Ravenlord
01-04-2006, 01:13 PM
The Pirates expect Wilson to get near $4M in arbitration and probably want to ship him out. Where does he go?
to a team with a good CF but need a LFer, or need a 1B, or plan on using him as the 4th OFer, offensive 1B and third cathcer.

marcshoe
01-04-2006, 09:48 PM
Listening to Lanny Frattare on KDKA on my way home, and he called C. Wilson an "American League Type" and said he strikes out too much. He talked about Pittsburgh maybe keeping him and seeing if he could be an effective bench player, but said he thought that they'd most likely trade him to the AL, particularly if they could get a player who could fill a role with the Pirates.

Just before this, he had talked about how he thought that Cota was an okay catcher, but didn't like Doumit, and I thought (station fading in and out, who knows) that he implied the Pirates needed a catcher.

If I wasn't totally focused on pitching, I might suggest Valentin for Wilson. Then again, that might make a trade of Wily Mo for a good young pitcher more likely, since it would once again overload the Reds OF/1b situation. . . .

(otoh, it would take 3 or 4 million away from the Dunn LTC pot, so never mind.)

btw, Frattare really did not like Redman. Made no bones about it. Called him conceited and uppity, said he didn't want to be in Pittsburgh, and rejoiced in the Casey acquisition and the Redman departure coming so close together. Said the Pirates acquired one of the best people in the game and got rid of one of the worst.

I was a bit surprised to hear a team's announcer talking in such stark terms. Made Marty look shy, almost.

RFS62
01-04-2006, 09:50 PM
Burnitz needs to swing a little harder.