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Team Clark
02-26-2002, 10:46 PM
62' Call me on my cell.

GriffeyFan
02-26-2002, 10:49 PM
Big Reds news or just news between you guys?

letsgojunior
02-26-2002, 10:51 PM
whats going on?? something with the reds?? if so please let us know!!!

Buckeye33
02-26-2002, 11:21 PM
Man, that's not a very nice thing to do Team Clark.

At least just tell us if it's between you and 62 or is it about hte Reds?

: )

CrackerJack
02-26-2002, 11:23 PM
:confused:

God love ya TC, but I think AOL IM would be more appropriate, or sumpin like that.

BigTimeDipper
02-26-2002, 11:24 PM
Better watch it RedsFanInCincy, they don't like it when people make posts such as yours.

SandyD
02-26-2002, 11:47 PM
Relax, everybody. His big news is that RedsZone is better than ever! :D

Right, TCII? You wouldn't keep a really big secret from us, now would you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Team Clark
02-26-2002, 11:54 PM
sorry folks...I didn't mean to cause a stir. It is about the Reds and I apologize for not including you. It is big news and all of you will know soon. Sorry. If I told you it would deeply affect a personal relationship with a very talented player. I have to draw the line somewhere.

CrackerJack
02-26-2002, 11:58 PM
No prob TC, thanks for giving us a head's up, now I can't get to sleep! :)

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 12:00 AM
Me either!!!

Buckeye33
02-27-2002, 12:20 AM
Ok, I will put my guess in on what it is.

I say that Aaron Boone has signed a 4 year contract.

Now everyone else guess what has happened.

RBA
02-27-2002, 12:21 AM
PM me. You can trust a moderator, can't you?

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

919191
02-27-2002, 12:42 AM
Hell, pm me. You can trust a hoosier, can't you?

Barbarossa
02-27-2002, 12:50 AM
Buckeye33, by Jove I think you've got it!
Don't know if it'll be for four years or not.
I think Team Clark left us a clue. He said. "Sorry. If I told you it would deeply affect a personal relationship with a very talented player."

Wheelhouse
02-27-2002, 12:54 AM
Casey, Boone, Graves to Philadelphia for Rolen, Wolf, Lee.

or

Graves to L.A. for a starter

ForLoveOfTheGame
02-27-2002, 12:56 AM
TC you are killing me! How can you start a thread like this and leave us all hanging? That qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment for us die hard fans that are starving for some good news right now. I hope this "Big News" becomes public sometime tomorrow, or we are all going to suffer from the suspense.

Wheelhouse
02-27-2002, 01:01 AM
Hey wait--

SHAW signs with Reds, I bet that's it...

redhead
02-27-2002, 01:04 AM
People can be so cruel.

Wheelhouse
02-27-2002, 01:05 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: C'mon Clark!!! I'm goin CRAZY...

JaxRed
02-27-2002, 01:23 AM
Thinking outside the box:

Seems to me, his closest relationships seems to be with Barry and Griffey.

Griffey Jr and Sr to Marlins (or Rays)?

RBA
02-27-2002, 01:25 AM
Larkin to the Mets for a package of players? Wait a minute that was two years ago.

CougarQuest
02-27-2002, 01:25 AM
Griffey bought the Reds, hired his dad as the manager

Northern Red
02-27-2002, 02:57 AM
I'll bet Casey was traded for pitching....You know, he just signed a "long term" contract...

TeamCasey
02-27-2002, 06:17 AM
Team Clark!!!! You're a bad, bad, bad, bad Teamster!

:p

You know ....... it's not like his name is Team62! I mean c'mon! Get those loyalties straight! :D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

buckeyenut
02-27-2002, 06:41 AM
TC has mentioned several times that he is very good friends with Larkin and Griffey. Hopefully it is not either of them. Because if it is, it can't be good at this point.

creek14
02-27-2002, 06:50 AM
Did you get a new job TCII? And I can't believe you didn't PM me, I mean we did have the thong-sharing experience.

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 06:51 AM
yeah it definitely sounds like it is about griffey or larkin. TC- can you just tell us whether it is good or bad news??

RANDY IN INDY
02-27-2002, 07:09 AM
I wonder if Team Clark could preface this with, Big "good" news or Big "bad" news? :confused:

TeamCasey
02-27-2002, 07:13 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by creek14:
<strong>Did you get a new job TCII? And I can't believe you didn't PM me, I mean we did have the thong-sharing experience.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Dammit! Our service people HATE replacing keyboards with coffee spewed all over them!

Creek .... you got me on that one! :D

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 07:14 AM: Message edited by: TeamCasey ]</small>

MaineRedsFan
02-27-2002, 07:30 AM
Some people just like their ego's stroked. Here we have a guy that has everyone thinking he is this big insider, except he either never tells us anything or what he does tell us doesn't come true.

Hey TC, I see that Jimbo is still GMing the team. I guess you and your pal Hal dropped the ball on that one.

GoReds
02-27-2002, 08:00 AM
TC - as much as I enjoy the information you provide, this post smacks of attention getting. Might I suggest that you get 62's phone number so you can maintain the 'privacy' that you are trying to maintain?

TeamCasey
02-27-2002, 08:06 AM
Wait, wait, wait. Don't start getting on TCII's case. The thread was addressed to RSF62. In all honesty, who are the rest of us to respond to it? Yes, it's on the main board, but at the moment, one has to go to profile to check for PMs. Doubt many are doing that.

He's not getting his ego stroked or attention getting. I welcome and enjoy his contributions.

Yeesh, this group will find negativity in anything. It's so toxic sometimes.

creek14
02-27-2002, 08:07 AM
You go girl.

GoReds
02-27-2002, 08:12 AM
Exactly how hard is it - in this day and age - to exchange phone numbers, fax numbers, email addresses, pager numbers, etc.?

Give me a break.

I do enjoy TC IIs updates, but the personal behavior (responding to trolls, posts such as this) has me re-evaluating my need for this enjoyment.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: GoReds ]</small>

Tweety tot
02-27-2002, 08:38 AM
My guess
The reds trade an outfielder to the yankees for
pitching.
Since white is out with a strained rib cage.

RFS62
02-27-2002, 08:43 AM
Geez guys, give him a break.

He saw I was online and asked me to call him. Thats what you get when you pay the $75 a month fee for insider info!! I'm surprised you didn't have that explained to you when Team Clark signed you up for the "special" deal he gave me!!

He did say all of you had agreed to the contract too, by the way. So, I didn't feel so stupid when I signed up.

It's the best money I've spent since I bought into that Chinchila ranch with Team Casey.

Dano's Reds World
02-27-2002, 08:58 AM
RFS62, maybe we could pay you $10/month for second hand insider info :D

Reds4Life
02-27-2002, 09:33 AM
TeamClark,

I hope it's good news, the Reds have had enough bad news of of late. Can you give us any hints?

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 09:57 AM
Geez... I called 62 and he didn't pick up. SO I posted it on the board so he would see it. THEN he calls me back. I thought the post would be deleted or moved as they have in the past. Why all the harsh opinions?? Take a break.

The news is about Junior. It is not good news at all. I'm not sure if the local guys will pick up on it. I want more than anything to write it but I just can not. It's not JR's health. Today's Sullivan article will most assuredly not help the situation.

guernsey
02-27-2002, 10:02 AM
Let me guess. Junior's retiring.

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:06 AM
Creek... I was wondering if you had any more thongs? I sold our pair on E-Bay? Can you help me out?

creek14
02-27-2002, 10:10 AM
Just too easy to post a reply that would get me banned. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/devil.gif" />

So is guernsey close?

Space30Cowboy
02-27-2002, 10:15 AM
when will the news be announced....im getting a little on edge

SandyD
02-27-2002, 10:17 AM
Actually, I’ve kind of enjoyed the speculation. So, after a nearly sleepless night, I’ve come to the following conclusion.

The equipment manager was overly excited about the new season, and through the wrong uniforms into the laundry. He washed the home whites in hot water, and the red ran, so now they are red and pink. Here’s the big news, though. Someone from the Reds marketing department awoke from their hibernation and decided the new threads looked cool, so they decided that the pink and red uniforms would become the new road uniforms, and they would get totally new home uniforms that are updated versions of the ones from 1970.

And the guys are tickled … pink! Well, they laughed anyway.

Thanks TCII for clearing that up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Sandy

Coach
02-27-2002, 10:21 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Team Clark:
<strong>Geez... I called 62 and he didn't pick up. SO I posted it on the board so he would see it. THEN he calls me back. I thought the post would be deleted or moved as they have in the past. Why all the harsh opinions?? Take a break.

The news is about Junior. It is not good news at all. I'm not sure if the local guys will pick up on it. I want more than anything to write it but I just can not. It's not JR's health. Today's Sullivan article will most assuredly not help the situation.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It is about Jr. It is not his health. But not sure if the local guys will pick up on it?
Does not sound like retirement.
Don't think the local guys would miss that story.

vared
02-27-2002, 10:22 AM
My hunch is that Giffey has asked to be traded <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:23 AM
Sorry for the sleepless night. I really have not slept yet myself.

Someone tell '62 to start answering his phone so I don't have to leave messages for him on the board.

Pink would be a nice change. Maybe a little Maroon mixed in with the Road uniforms.

15fan
02-27-2002, 10:24 AM
Cincinnati (AP) - In a stunning move, four teams today have pulled off a major trade involving players, coaches, and minor league instructors.

Cincinnati has traded Ken Griffey Jr. to Detroit, Manager Bob Boone to Philadelphia, and Sean Casey to Pittsburgh. In return, the Reds received Dmitri Young, Pokey Reese, and minor league instructor Ron Oester.

"Upon reading the quotes attributed to Ron Oester, we realized that we did in fact get rid of the wrong individuals," said Cincinnati GM Jim Bowden.

"What this franchise really needs is a 3rd base coach who doesn't know how to give the "stop" sign to a baserunner. We also really need a middle infielder who swings like he's Mark McGwire, but posts offensive numbers that make de la Hoz giddy. And $28 million for an empty .300 hitting OF is a bargain in today's market."

Bowden added, "That Junior guy really is nothing but dead weight. We're sick of guys who have 7 40+ HR and 8 100+ RBI seasons under their belts. His Gold Glove defense is incredibly over-rated, too."

"And thank God I was able to move Casey after signing him to that contract. Within an hour after the signing, I felt like throwing up. He's Pittsburgh's problem now," said Bowden.

Bowden did not have time to answer any questions. "I've got to go - I'm working on another multi-team deal that would bring back Steve Parris, Brett Tomko and Hector Carrasco, and all we'd have to do is give up Adam Dunn," said Bowden, who then left the podium and started dialing his cell phone.

Redsland
02-27-2002, 10:27 AM
Hang in there, Junior. You'll get your 2,000th hit and your 500th homerun this season. Next year you'll open a new park with a short fence in front of sellout crowds and a larger payroll. You'll be the centerpiece of a great offensive team this year and one of the greatest offensive outfields ever in 2003 (according to some).

Give us two years, and you'll want to play for many, many more.

Dano's Reds World
02-27-2002, 10:28 AM
Let me guess, KGJ is going to trade himself and Larkin for the Oakland A's :D

Phil in BG
02-27-2002, 10:28 AM
Everything that Junior says or does is scrutinized heavily by the local media. If TC isn't sure whether or not it's picked up, I doubt it's very big.

RBA
02-27-2002, 10:30 AM
Damn this thread. It's killing me. :mad: <img border="0" alt="[rolling]" title="" src="graemlins/roll.gif" />

vared
02-27-2002, 10:30 AM
Team Clark, when will we find out about the major event that is going on? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

redrum
02-27-2002, 10:35 AM
TC, next time may I suggest leave out the "Big NEWS!!" from the subject line. I doubt if anyone would have gotten too jacked up about you wanting RFS62 calling you ASAP without that teaser.

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:37 AM
I have no idea if you will find out. If I had not spoken with him I wouldn't know. I'm not sure exactly who knows besides a few Reds front office personnel, a few players and of course Senior. As many leaks as there are in the clubhouse and front office maybe you will hear something sooner than later.

redrum
02-27-2002, 10:37 AM
Oh, and by the way, 15fan....funny stuff.

Redsland
02-27-2002, 10:42 AM
After hearing from Dunn that Aaron Boone would make a great wife, Griffey is "into it"?
<img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/devil.gif" />

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:48 AM
All of this because I needed '62 to call me. Geeez. I wish I had a bat signal!!!

Maybe things have cooled off today. If I talk to KGJ today I'll see what his moodis and if he is serious about what was discussed last night. I'll start a separate thread if I can post anyhting.

Coach
02-27-2002, 11:04 AM
TeamClark,

If you talk to him, you work on calming him down too.

smallbattle
02-27-2002, 11:14 AM
If you talk to him, tell him we said "Hello". And see if he has any thongs.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: smallbattle ]</small>

Coach
02-27-2002, 11:17 AM
Remind him there is only one more year on Bowden's contract.

Phil in BG
02-27-2002, 11:19 AM
Let him know how much support he has from his Redszone fans.

Dano's Reds World
02-27-2002, 11:23 AM
This thread will be as long as the roll call thread soon.

Tell him to hit a homerun for me today, and then when it goes out of the park to run the bases backwards.

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 11:23 AM
I tried to calm him down last night. I need more credit hours in Psychology. Senior is still pretty pissed about his situation. Knowing what I know about that I can't blame him one bit.

Let me get to work and find out if any of this has leaked.

BTW, big news rarley makes it in the news BEFORE it happens. Most writers do not publish anything until it has happened. There are a few (Nightengale, Gammons) that go out on a limb and tell you what they hear right away. There is security in that. Fortunately I am not bound by an editor any longer. The only binding I have on this story is Junior himself.

guernsey
02-27-2002, 11:28 AM
Y'all notice Team Clark has posted a half dozen responses since my 'retirement' guess, and he hasn't refuted it yet.

RBA
02-27-2002, 11:35 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by guernsey:
<strong>Y'all notice Team Clark has posted a half dozen responses since my 'retirement' guess, and he hasn't refuted it yet.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, the media wouldn't pick up a story on Ken Griffey Jr. retiring early. They have better stories about a two bit coach who didn't get a fair shake.

Dano's Reds World
02-27-2002, 11:53 AM
Bravo RBA LOL

There have been the same # of posts since I said that KGY would trade he and Larkin for the A's :D

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 11:54 AM
You can rule out retirement.

KittyDuran
02-27-2002, 11:56 AM
I smell a trade - where's Krusty when we need him??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 11:58 AM
TC - can you just answer this question - is Griffey still happy to be a Red or he is discontent and could possibly want out???

Maybe if we (and I mean media, fans, his teammates) just let Junior go out and play and quit dogging him, it would make for a much more fun relationship...

guernsey
02-27-2002, 12:00 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Team Clark:
<strong>You can rule out retirement.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thank you. Other than that, nothing else can qualify as really big news.

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 12:03 PM
guersney - wanted to be traded can...

JaxRed
02-27-2002, 12:08 PM
Let me roll my theory out again. A trade to a Florida team. Sr says Jr's only here because he is. But now Sr's not really here.

Jr and Sr could be a package to a Florida team. Although Tampa is way closer to Orlando, the Marlins probabaly make more sense as a trading partner.

They have wealth of young pitchers, and an owner that needs to make a splash.

guernsey
02-27-2002, 12:09 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by letsgojunior:
<strong>guersney - wanted to be traded can...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nah, Junior's been there, done that. And at least the Reds would get something in return. They wouldn't if he retired, except some salary relief.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: guernsey ]</small>

RBA
02-27-2002, 12:11 PM
If that happens a lot of pressure would be on Adam Dunn to make up for Jr's homeruns. I hope it is not about a trade.

Johnny Footstool
02-27-2002, 12:14 PM
Junior is actually 36 years old.

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 12:16 PM
notice that TC hasn't responded -- I really hope that it is not about a trade -- that would be a terrible day...

KittyDuran
02-27-2002, 12:19 PM
TC hasn't responded because he probably finding more details... hang tight! :cool:

I personally think that this is exciting (morbid, I know!)!!! <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/devil.gif" />

KittyDuran
02-27-2002, 12:21 PM
<img border="0" alt="[smokin]" title="" src="graemlins/smokin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[pimpin]" title="" src="graemlins/pimp.gif" />

trying these out - sorry!!!

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 12:21 PM
i agree kitty - but i will be very upset if he wants to be traded...

but i feel bad for him after all this constant criticism and scrutiny he has been under. made seattle seem like a much more tranquil place for him probably...

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 12:21 PM
tc-can you PLEASE tell us if it has anything to do with a trade????

Coach
02-27-2002, 12:47 PM
Lets not put an added pressure on Team Clark.
Let him judge when and if to tell us.

CarFor21Bucks
02-27-2002, 12:52 PM
This has to be one of the funniest things I have seen in a while. Everyone just relax. If it is anything big we will here about it soon enough. To be honest a trade request would not surprise. I think Griffey has been treated like crap in cincy by the media mostly. The fans have expected a lot also. Jr. likes to keep to himself, and that hasn't happened all career. However, I think it has been worse since he has come home.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: CarFor21Bucks ]</small>

creek14
02-27-2002, 12:53 PM
I'm sure it is just Jr talking out of frustration and when he calms down it will all blow over. Between the Sr situation and the Terrible Trio there has been a lot to deal with this past week. Papa needs to put him in a game (just don't let him round 3rd) and let him remember how much he loves playing it.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: creek14 ]</small>

JoeReds
02-27-2002, 01:04 PM
I would not mind a trade. IF we get a No.1 starter out of it. While I love to watch Jr play
I get tired of his "world's out to get me attitude". I also believe that if the media would leave him alone we would not see this as much from him. I don't think this will ever happen in cincy. So I say trade him and get the best pitcher
you can. We will never win anything until we get a very good No.1 .

westofyou
02-27-2002, 01:08 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I get tired of his "world's out to get me attitude". </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well if 3 former workmates went to the press (3 different papers too) and slammed you, would you just let it roll off your back?

Or would you feel like the guy in the dunking booth?

Let us remember that Jr. was getting ready for the baseball season just like the discarded players..... yet he didn't find it in his heart to slam anyone.

Why?

Because he's about playing?

ticktock
02-27-2002, 01:19 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by westofyou:
[QB] </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I get tired of his "world's out to get me attitude". </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well if 3 former workmates went to the press (3 different papers too) and slammed you, would you just let it roll off your back?

QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That would depend on whether or not I played baseball, or work for Enron. If it was the later, I would plead the 5th! If it was baseball, I would start to wonder whether or not I was appreciated where I played. In fact, I might start to wonder how many other guys in the clubhouse felt the same way. Then I would start asking myself whether I wanted to stay in that clubhouse. I might even start wondering if there was possibly a team closer to home to which I could be traded to. I might even narrow that down to just one team. Then I might even offer defer money to play closer to home. I bet my dad would even enjoy managing me.

But then again, I don't play baseball anymore :)

Phil in BG
02-27-2002, 01:30 PM
I believe it would be hard for any of us to operate under the scrutiny that Junior does. Everything he says is scrutinized beyond belief. Everything he does is blown out of proportion. He has some clubhouse trash talk and it's taken personal by his teammates. He leaves early for medical attention and it's considered special treatment. Yes, it'd be hard for me to take.

REDREAD
02-27-2002, 01:30 PM
Folks,

if Jr wants to be traded, you can be assured that we won't get a #1 pitcher out of it.

It is just like when he demanded to get out of Seattle. We sure didn't give up much to get him.

If Jr says "trade me to Florida", most likely, we get one of their extra young enigma pitchers and a couple of prospects. Certainly not a #1.

Blondini
02-27-2002, 01:32 PM
Putting two and two together (it may add up to 4, and it may not, ya never know):

Item #1: That <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/134410818_griffey25.html" target="_blank">Junior-friendly article</a> by Seattle Times writer and apparent Junior confidante Larry Stone. The tone of the article beats anything I've read lately from the various Reds-specific Cincinnati and Dayton newspapers.

Item #2: On a local Channel 5/NBC affiliate program called "Evening Magazine", there's supposed to be a piece on still-close-friend Jay Buhner tonight. One of the "hook" ad spots for the program is a statement by Jay, "Junior would come back here in a heartbeat".

I don't know of the context of Jay's remark (yet), but I do know he's been saying that publicly for the past year. I really can't speculate any further, because I cannot imagine any circumstances the Mariners and the Reds would reach some common ground on a trade-back.

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: KayJay ]</small>

Wheelhouse
02-27-2002, 01:34 PM
Actually, if Jr. wants to be traded, you can be sure we will get a #1 pitcher out of it, or two. Jr. left Seattle with a year left on his contract, he now has a very CHEAP long term deal. The Reds could get more than ever for Jr. now.

BigD
02-27-2002, 01:36 PM
Wow, Im dying to know. Watch it turn out into nothing.

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 01:41 PM
though i do think junior probably enjoyed the atmosphere in the clubhouse in seattle better than here (no one ever backstabbed him there with silly stories about jokes made in the clubhouse), there was still a lot of bad blood between him and Gillick and bad blood between him and the fans (especially the loonies who threatened to kill him). But anyway, please let us know what is said in the interview...

Phil in BG
02-27-2002, 01:45 PM
All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over.

WebScorpion
02-27-2002, 01:52 PM
Junior is one of the few players who can immediately increase attendance in your park. Plus he is currently signed to one of the sweetest long-term contracts ever put on paper (from an organizational standpoint). During the life of that contract, he will probably chase the Aaron (or Bonds) all-time home run record. There is not a player in all of baseball I would trade him for...but if we're talking 2... Say a Josh Beckett and a Brad Penny?... Hmmmm...now you've got me thinking.

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 01:56 PM
sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...

JoeReds
02-27-2002, 01:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My take on what TC said was that the local media would not know anything until the story broke. I may have read into it though.

buckeyenut
02-27-2002, 02:09 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by letsgojunior:
<strong>sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh my goodness. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Let me repeat it for those who missed it the first two readthroughs. "They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson" Preston Wilson is not even in the same galaxy as Griff Jr.

And as far as b) I strongly doubt Loria would have left the Expos to take over the Marlins if he was going to get contracted. I think he wants to own a team. That team actually needs a big bat, Jr. might go an awful long way towards getting a new stadium down there and he is on a sweetheart deal. I think he would be extremely interested in Jr, in fact maybe even enough to trade us Penny and Castillo for him. If they resign floyd and had Floyd, Jr. and Miller as their 3,4,5 hitters, that pitching would have all the run support they needed to be contenders. So don't count them out.

beb30
02-27-2002, 02:16 PM
I hope this is just Junior talking out of frustration.....Let us pray dearly that he is not going to be traded.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

REDREAD
02-27-2002, 02:18 PM
Guys,

Jr can say "trade me to Florida (or whatever) or I'm going to retire".

No one is going to do Bowden any favors. If Jr wants out, you can bet his team of choice will hold the Reds hostage, just like we did to Seattle.

I hope Jr doesn't want to be traded though. Despite the opinion of some on this board, dumping Jr and Larkin is not going to make us a better team, even if we can spend all their salaries on other players.

Red Thunder
02-27-2002, 02:26 PM
I have nothing (new) to say about this Junior debate ... just wanted to make the 100th post :)

Hollcat
02-27-2002, 02:39 PM
They couldn't have Floyd, Jr, and Millar batting 3-4-5 because Jr has to hit third. It would have to be Jr, someone else, someone else hitting 3-4-5

M2
02-27-2002, 02:54 PM
Am I reading this wrong or are we being told that something big and not particularly good is up with Jr., but that we might never hear about it?

If it's something we'll never see and that the local media might not even notice (not that they're the sharpest tools in the shed, but you'd think they'd catch something obvious), then how bad can it be?

graveyard
02-27-2002, 02:57 PM
just want to post, seems everyone else has. Griffey has a viral infection.

Phil in BG
02-27-2002, 02:59 PM
Exactly what I've been trying to say M2.

sickofteamclark
02-27-2002, 03:00 PM
This teamclark guy is playing all of you. He is an ego maniac who just loves the fact that everyone is going to him for answers. He doesn't know c!!!!

L!!!!!!!!!

<small>[ 02-27-2002, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: CougarQuest ]</small>

Redsland
02-27-2002, 03:05 PM
And you are..................? :rolleyes:

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 03:10 PM
Thanks... Mr. Clark II. Hey, I have an idea... why don't you post your credentials for us. ohhh let me guess you are not a credentialed member of the media.... Sorry about that.

Reds4Life
02-27-2002, 03:12 PM
TC,

Any updates??

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 03:13 PM
Just posted the story.

M2
02-27-2002, 03:24 PM
TeamClark, ignoring the potshots, is there any way you can clarify what it is you've told us?

I'm having a hard time with the concept of big news that the media might not catch. Is this something that could affect Jr. staying with the team in this or next season? Is this something that might cause some sort of business shakeup up (e.g. GM, manager, COO, staff)? Is it something that involves warring factions on the club (e.g. "Sean Casey and I can't co-exist")?

I'm not asking you to reveal more info than you think you should, but you've already dropped some fairly loaded hints. I'd just like to get an understanding of what the general flavor of this is or what the potential fallout might be. Right now you've got people speculating wildly as to what something "big" could be.

I'll take your word for it that it was not your intent to do that. I've got no reason to believe otherwise. All I'm saying is, can you find some phrasing that gives us a clearer idea as to what sort of thing this is and what it's magnitude might be without spilling all the beans?

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 03:37 PM
I've been trying to find ways to give everyone an idea of what is going on. I have a sense of laoyalty to the Redszone family. Many of you have become close friends and I have left seats for many others during the 2001 season. My biggest loyalty is to Junior in this case. He told me some things as a friend and some as a writer. I'm doing my best not to cross any line. I would much rather someone else break this story and get the cold shoulder.

Believe me I want to write the story as badly as you want to read it.

The meat of the story involves the discussion with Jim Bowden. Most of which I just can not tell you. The outcome of the meeting, which is yet to be determined, would indeed have an effect on whether Junior remains a Red. If cooler heads prevail and certain measures are taken this will be a non-issue. To my knowledge the beat writers know about a meeting they just do not know what was said. If they write anyhting it will be that there was a meeting. I do not forsee that.

M2
02-27-2002, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the response. That does clear up much of my confusion.

Kc61
02-27-2002, 04:17 PM
Sounds like some sort of ultimatum. Fix something or I'm out of here. Fire Butcher. Fire Boone. Am I getting warm here?

ticktock
02-27-2002, 04:27 PM
This chaos REALLY makes me want to stick around. What IF Griffey has demanded a trade? How many of you will turn on him? Turn back the clocks two years, and think back on what Seattle went through in the weeks leading up to the trade. Oh, the thought of the serious crow that could be potentially on your plate! I seriously, truly, completely live for just such an occasion.

TC? I hate to use an old Clint Eastwood cliche, but please, MAKE MY DAY!!

JaxRed
02-27-2002, 04:29 PM
Get on with your life.

westofyou
02-27-2002, 04:36 PM
I'm sure there's a car crash somewhere near your house for you to kill time at also.

ticktock
02-27-2002, 04:44 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by westofyou:
<strong>I'm sure there's a car crash somewhere near your house for you to kill time at also.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, but if I get the news I'm hoping for, I may cause one during my celebrations! <img border="0" alt="[cheers!]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" />

In court, I'll just blame it on Junior :D

Reds1
02-27-2002, 05:14 PM
This was one heck of a post. It's like a soap opera.... I had to read it as it went on and on because I wanted to know so bad what is going on. I hope the cooler head prevail and this is a non-event.

TeamCasey
02-27-2002, 05:42 PM
TeamBoone will just LOVE TickTock's graphic..

TeamDunn
02-27-2002, 05:45 PM
Any word on if and when anyone in the media will break this?

CarFor21Bucks
02-27-2002, 06:09 PM
Unless they have inside info I think it is a non-story for the media. They can't just say Jr. meet with Jimbo and nothing more. As TC said the Reds writers do know that much.

GAC
02-27-2002, 08:14 PM
I just woke up, and got on the forum. I think you're all friggin nuts, and I can't believe I spent the time scrolling thru 4 pages of this thread reading stupid postulations and people like "chicken little", running around screaming that the sky is falling! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

RBA
02-27-2002, 08:53 PM
The sky is falling? Oh My Lord. Somebody do something. President Bush, use that Star Wars thing on it.

Anyone want to say goodbye?

Redleg75
02-27-2002, 09:00 PM
If Junior says Boone's got to go or me that would be fine with me as long as his father doesn't manage the team. On a side note -- will he ever grow up? <img border="0" alt="[pimpin]" title="" src="graemlins/pimp.gif" />

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:33 PM
KC61...you are not only warm. Your hand is in the jar.

TeamDunn
02-27-2002, 10:38 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Kc61:
<strong>Sounds like some sort of ultimatum. Fix something or I'm out of here. Fire Butcher. Fire Boone. Am I getting warm here?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If this is close, it's got to be fire Butcher. If it's fire Boone, I vote Junior for MVP right now!!!

KittyDuran
02-27-2002, 10:40 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sounds like some sort of ultimatum. Fix something or I'm out of here. Fire Butcher. Fire Boone. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Must be frightening to have that kind of power! <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/devil.gif" />

I need to get a pic under my name...

letsgojunior
02-27-2002, 10:40 PM
seems like junior and boone get along pretty well from the outside... then again I thought that about Junior and Dmitri Young. I am glad that Junior is not sitting and taking this lightly...

Team Clark
02-27-2002, 10:43 PM
To my knowledge he did not ask Jim Bowden to fire Rob Butcher. I do know that he asked for some changes to be made, PRONTO! He's pretty hacked off and with good reason. Some of the things that are pissing him off he realizes will never go away. Some things can be made to go away. Including himself.

beb30
02-27-2002, 11:50 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Team Clark:
<strong>To my knowledge he did not ask Jim Bowden to fire Rob Butcher. I do know that he asked for some changes to be made, PRONTO! He's pretty hacked off and with good reason. Some of the things that are pissing him off he realizes will never go away. Some things can be made to go away. Including himself.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Bowden better do whatever has to be done....
:mad:

cReds1
02-28-2002, 12:36 AM
TC,

So you are telling us, Junior is going to run this team or tell Bowden what must be done? You have to be kidding me, right?

A player is gonna tell the organization what to do? Didn't Griffey say he did not get into these things in an earlier report? I think he did.

Is this the news? Trust me, when I say this.......Griffey is going no where. Bowden wouldn't be able to come out of his house and show his face in public. He would be ran out of town, just like Boston did Buckner a while back.

I don't care who speaks to whom about anything with this team. If it happens, I will eat some crow, but I know it won't happen. Why would it?

Reds4Life
02-28-2002, 07:52 AM
If Junior is able to get Bob Boone out of there he should be given a medal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

sickofteamclark
02-28-2002, 08:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Team Clark:
<strong>Thanks... Mr. Clark II. Hey, I have an idea... why don't you post your credentials for us. ohhh let me guess you are not a credentialed member of the media.... Sorry about that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We're not worthy we're not worthy....

Mr. Big time media man....

Your so great, how are we sooooooooo lucky to be visited by such a high ranking media man.

Give me a break!!!!!

My uncle who everyone is embarrassed of is a "credentialed member of the media"

Not sure that is something I would be proud of!!!!!

TeamCasey
02-28-2002, 08:16 AM
Is there any reason why this person remains on the board?

RANDY IN INDY
02-28-2002, 08:37 AM
Good question, TC. By the way, I like the new avatar!

TeamCasey
02-28-2002, 09:37 AM
Thanks Randy!

RedsBaron
02-28-2002, 10:13 AM
Bob Boone was not and is not my first, or even tenth, choice to manage the Reds, and I would generally be in favor of his replacement by someone else, but if he is fired expressly because Junior demands it, then no manager should ever expect to be in charge of the Reds, and I doubt any competent manager would want the job. Such a result would have to harm team discipline and harmony, and I hope this is not the story that is in the works.