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TeamBoone
01-13-2006, 11:52 PM
Posted on Fri, Jan. 13, 2006

Willis, Soriano file for arbitration
MIKE FITZPATRICK / Associated Press

Dontrelle Willis, Mark Teixeira and Alfonso Soriano were among the 100 players who filed for salary arbitration on Friday, the often acrimonious negotiating process that rankles baseball management every winter.

Mark Prior, Josh Beckett, Brad Lidge, Adam Dunn, Morgan Ensberg, Brian Roberts and Scot Shields were some of the other stars who filed before Friday's deadline. Players will exchange proposed salaries with their teams on Tuesday.

Willis is one of the few established big leaguers left on the Florida Marlins, who have cut about $47 million in 2006 payroll after starting last season at $60 million.

Eligible for arbitration for the first time, the charismatic left-hander should have a strong case after going 22-10 with a 2.63 ERA last season, when he made only $378,500. He led the majors in wins and was runner-up to St. Louis' Chris Carpenter for the NL Cy Young Award.

Teixeira, eligible for arbitration for the first time as well, is coming off a huge season for the Texas Rangers and also figures to get a hefty raise from the $3,675,000 he earned last year. The switch-hitting first baseman batted .301 with 43 homers and 144 RBIs.

Soriano was traded from Texas to Washington last month, and the Nationals would like to move the All-Star second baseman to a different position. He wants to stay at second.

After earning $7.5 million last year, Soriano is likely to make about $10 million this year. He can become a free agent after next season.

Tampa Bay first baseman Travis Lee became a free agent after last season and accepted arbitration, so he will be back with the Devil Rays. The other players in arbitration all have less than six years of major league service.
Many baseball owners dislike arbitration because it forces them to pay their players as much as comparable players on other teams.

Though 100 players are in arbitration, many are expected to agree to contracts before the scheduled swap of proposed salaries.

Relief pitcher Luis Vizcaino and the Diamondbacks avoided arbitration by agreeing to a $1,775,000, one-year contract Friday before the union submitted the filings. Arizona and No. 1 starter Brandon Webb also agreed on a $19.5 million, four-year deal, locking up the sinkerball specialist through his arbitration years.

"I've worked with the pitching staff and the coaching staff and really honed in on what kind of pitcher I am," Webb said. "I just feel I can progress every year and get better."

Webb's contract includes an $8.5 million club option for 2010 with a $500,000 buyout.

"Brandon has certainly earned this contract," Diamondbacks general manager Josh Byrnes said. "His three years thus far have been tremendous. He's really one of the more unheralded elite pitchers in baseball.

"This is the type of contract a club doesn't have to do," Byrnes said. "We had Brandon under control through arbitration for four more years, but it is something we wanted to do."

Byrnes, hired last October, said it's important to get long-term deals in place for a team's core players to give them security and the club some cost certainty.

"It really helps accelerate the decision-making process and the building process," Byrnes said.

Two pitchers got new deals after filing: Colorado right-hander Aaron Cook and Seattle reliever Julio Mateo. They were still on the arbitration list because their deals were pending physicals.

Cook got a $4.55 million, two-year contract on Friday with a club option for 2008. Mateo and the Mariners agreed Thursday to a $1,875,000, two-year deal.

Only three cases went to hearings last year, the fewest since arbitration began in 1974. Owners went 2-1 for their ninth straight winning record (Minnesota pitcher Kyle Lohse was the lone player to win) and lead players 265-198 overall.

Last year, players in arbitration averaged a 123 percent increase. Dunn got the steepest raise, from $445,000 to $4.6 million with Cincinnati.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/13623407.htm

KronoRed
01-14-2006, 12:06 AM
I hope this doesn't turn ugly.

SteelSD
01-14-2006, 12:31 AM
"This is the type of contract a club doesn't have to do," Byrnes said. "We had Brandon under control through arbitration for four more years, but it is something we wanted to do."

Something tells me that while Byrnes mouth was moving his brain was in uncontrollable belly-laugh spasms after getting Webb to somehow agree to pass up his arbitration years AND to a club option for what could be about half market value for a pitcher of his caliber in 2010.

What a ridiculously good deal for the D-Backs. Lord.

RFS62
01-14-2006, 07:16 AM
If Adam sits in on an arbitration hearing with our side ragging on his strikeouts and sac flies, that should be the final nail in the coffin of his wanting out of town as soon as he's a free agent.

Sign him long term and avoid this ugliness.

Raisor
01-14-2006, 07:19 AM
If Adam sits in on an arbitration hearing with our side ragging on his strikeouts and sac flies, that should be the final nail in the coffin of his wanting out of town as soon as he's a free agent.

Sign him long term and avoid this ugliness.


The Reds might hire a former Redszone member to do their dirty work.

Just sayin.

:devil:

RFS62
01-14-2006, 07:27 AM
The Reds might hire a former Redszone member to do their dirty work.

Just sayin.

:devil:


Mmmmmm, doughnuts.

KronoRed
01-14-2006, 07:44 AM
Dunn: I want 10 mill a year.
Reds: WHOA! 10million?!? You're not worth that! **puts in a tape of Rich Aurilia grounding out to SS and Tony Womack running REALLY fast on a bunting K down the 3rd base line**

Reds: Now, start doing those type of little things and we'll talk.

Arbitrator: :dunno:

RANDY IN INDY
01-14-2006, 08:35 AM
I wish that O'Brien was already gone and out of these negotiations. This could be the most damage that he can do to the franchise. I hope Dunn hasn't already made up his mind that he is going to leave Cincinnati and has some hope that a new regime may be better for him and the team. Mr. Castellini has his work cut out for him, and the sooner he steps in and gets his hands dirty, the better, in my opinion. My mother always said, "A new broom sweeps clean."

Ravenlord
01-14-2006, 08:46 AM
so is this what O'Brien had in mind when he said signing Dunn was a priority after the New Year?

KronoRed
01-14-2006, 09:10 AM
so is this what O'Brien had in mind when he said signing Dunn was a priority after the New Year?
I'm sure he made some sort of an offer, a bad one most likely.

dougflynn23
01-14-2006, 02:50 PM
If Adam sits in on an arbitration hearing with our side ragging on his strikeouts and sac flies, that should be the final nail in the coffin of his wanting out of town as soon as he's a free agent.

Sign him long term and avoid this ugliness. :confused: I would have a feeling that the Reds will make it a priority to not go nuclear on Dunn in his arbitration case. I think the Reds expect Dunn to make $8M in arbitration and have budgeted accordingly. I'd like to see Dunn locked up longer, but I have heard that some in the Reds F/O feel that Dunn might be that rare player whom arbitration is better for as there is a concern that he's not the most dilligent off season workout guy in the world and the arbitration process might keep him more motivated. Don't know if I agree with that!

Matt700wlw
01-14-2006, 02:54 PM
This could have been avoided...

RFS62
01-14-2006, 02:57 PM
:confused: I would have a feeling that the Reds will make it a priority to not go nuclear on Dunn in his arbitration case. I think the Reds expect Dunn to make $8M in arbitration and have budgeted accordingly. I'd like to see Dunn locked up longer, but I have heard that some in the Reds F/O feel that Dunn might be that rare player whom arbitration is better for as there is a concern that he's not the most dilligent off season workout guy in the world and the arbitration process might keep him more motivated. Don't know if I agree with that!


Even Casey, back when Jimbo was courting him, was stunned at the animosity in the arbitration process. It's just the nature of the beast. Most players are advised not to sit in, it's so hard to listen to the team who says they want you to be picking apart every flaw in your game, for sake of the negotiation.

pedro
01-14-2006, 03:00 PM
It's a formality. This close to a change in ownership I doubt DanO has the authority to sign anyone to a large contract, and Dunn obviously has to protect his rights by filing. I'd be surprised if this drags out to an actual hearing.

RFS62
01-14-2006, 03:03 PM
It's a formality. This close to a change in ownership I doubt DanO has the authority to sign anyone to a large contract, and Dunn obviously has to protect his rights by filing. I'd be surprised if this drags out to an actual hearing.



Yeah, I think you're right about DanO, although he did say all that stuff about our "top priority" to sign Dunn. That kind of announcement would be a nice way to kick off the new administration.

Casey_21
01-14-2006, 03:38 PM
Looks like wer'e gonna have to add a 1st baseman to the priority list.:thumbdown :thumbdown

Reds4Life
01-14-2006, 03:54 PM
It's a formality. This close to a change in ownership I doubt DanO has the authority to sign anyone to a large contract, and Dunn obviously has to protect his rights by filing. I'd be surprised if this drags out to an actual hearing.

I'm with ya. Hopefully the new GM will be taking care of the Dunn contract shortly after taking over.

harangatang
01-14-2006, 04:37 PM
Something that no one has mentioned on this thread is the fact that Dunn is heading to 1st base based on the current roster. If I was Dunn and I would ask for more money if the Reds would want me to play 1st base. From everything I've seen and heard Dunn makes it no secret he would like to be starting in left field. If the Reds want 40 homers from first base that's fine give me an extra 2 million a year. If I was Dunn I would be catching the next flight out of Cincinnati to somewhere else where they would at least be respectful to their players.

Aronchis
01-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Something that no one has mentioned on this thread is the fact that Dunn is heading to 1st base based on the current roster. If I was Dunn and I would ask for more money if the Reds would want me to play 1st base. From everything I've seen and heard Dunn makes it no secret he would like to be starting in left field. If the Reds want 40 homers from first base that's fine give me an extra 2 million a year. If I was Dunn I would be catching the next flight out of Cincinnati to somewhere else where they would at least be respectful to their players.

Give me a break man. Dunn goes where the team needs him and that is 1st base. If Adam has a problem with that, he is less the individual than I thought.

pedro
01-14-2006, 04:43 PM
Something that no one has mentioned on this thread is the fact that Dunn is heading to 1st base based on the current roster. If I was Dunn and I would ask for more money if the Reds would want me to play 1st base. From everything I've seen and heard Dunn makes it no secret he would like to be starting in left field. If the Reds want 40 homers from first base that's fine give me an extra 2 million a year. If I was Dunn I would be catching the next flight out of Cincinnati to somewhere else where they would at least be respectful to their players.

Give me a break. Dunn's going to end up playing 1B eventually, no matter who he plays for. He might as well get used to the idea. And frankly, anything Dunn has said in the past about playing 1B has to be taken with a grain of salt b/c Dunn's buddy Sean was the Reds first baseman at that time. What was he supposed to say?

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, where Dunn has made such a comment about not wanting to play first since Casey was traded. If you have, I'd like to see it.

BTW- I made up the nick name "harangatang" so you're welcome ;)

StillFunkyB
01-14-2006, 05:25 PM
This could get very, very ugly.

harangatang
01-14-2006, 05:28 PM
Give me a break. Dunn's going to end up playing 1B eventually, no matter who he plays for. He might as well get used to the idea. And frankly, anything Dunn has said in the past about playing 1B has to be taken with a grain of salt b/c Dunn's buddy Sean was the Reds first baseman at that time. What was he supposed to say?

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, where Dunn has made such a comment about not wanting to play first since Casey was traded. If you have, I'd like to see it.

BTW- I made up the nick name "harangatang" so you're welcome ;)

I don't remember exactly where I read that as it has been early December since Casey was traded but I distinctly remember reading that. Anyway how can you can expect an organization who has had not a legitimate shot of the playoffs since 1999 to treat your players like that? If you want Cincinnati to be known as place where they treat their players correctly, you show that by treating your young star players correctly.

BTW - When I lived in Oakland until 2004 some of by buddies who were A's fans came up with that nickname. So thanks for the cheap shot. ;)

Oh and I forgot, read my quote and take it to heart, I mean it. ;)

Falls City Beer
01-14-2006, 05:54 PM
Oh and I forgot, read my quote and take it to heart, I mean it. ;)

Why are you here? We'll be just fine without you. Believe me.

harangatang
01-14-2006, 06:02 PM
Why are you here? We'll be just fine without you. Believe me.

It's because I enjoy discussing the Reds but I don't try to make myself feel any better than you or anyone else. I have an opinion and people don't respect it. So with that I'll sit back and enjoy all the people trying to make look stupid. I don't base accomplishments in life by what someone else thinks of my opinion on Redszone.

pedro
01-14-2006, 06:11 PM
BTW - When I lived in Oakland until 2004 some of by buddies who were A's fans came up with that nickname. So thanks for the cheap shot. ;)



I'm not surprised. It is sort obvious when you look at him. It really wasn't meant to be a cheap shot. It's a good screen name, no matter how you came by it. :)

pedro
01-14-2006, 06:17 PM
I don't remember exactly where I read that as it has been early December since Casey was traded but I distinctly remember reading that. Anyway how can you can expect an organization who has had not a legitimate shot of the playoffs since 1999 to treat your players like that? If you want Cincinnati to be known as place where they treat their players correctly, you show that by treating your young star players correctly.

Oh and I forgot, read my quote and take it to heart, I mean it. ;)

I just disagree with you, I really wasn't trying to belittle you. Honestly.

As far as Dunn to 1B goes, if he's the best candidate for the job then he should take it like a man and play there if that's where the Reds need him. Just like Griffey should move to LF if asked. Like you say, they are trying to win, and whatever combination gets the best players on the field should be OK with all the players from my POV.

And really, I haven't seen a single comment from Dunn about moving to 1B since Casey was traded. That doesn't mean he hasn't made any comments of the like, but if he has, I be happy to read them if anyone can dig them up.

harangatang
01-14-2006, 06:19 PM
I'm not surprised. It is sort obvious when you look at him. It really wasn't meant to be a cheap shot. It's a good screen name, no matter how you came by it. :)

Well thank you. I'm sorry if I come a little bitter, but sometimes around here you don't know when someone is being sarcastic and when their not. It's very frustrating because I just want to discuss the Reds in a civil way and it's hard to decipher when that is being done and when it is not.

pedro
01-14-2006, 06:20 PM
Well thank you. I'm sorry if I come a little bitter, but sometimes around here you don't know when someone is being sarcastic and when their not. It's very frustrating because I just to discuss the Reds in a civil way and it's hard to decipher when that is being done and when it is not.

I know, I've read your posts in the past and I know you're trying to have an honest dialogue about the Reds.

LvJ
01-14-2006, 07:19 PM
La'sigh of Cincinnati...

MikeS21
01-15-2006, 08:22 AM
I'm not sure why we automatically assume that the Reds haven't already offered Dunn a better-than-market-value LTC deal. I do not believe that money alone will keep Dunn around. Throwing ungodly amounts of cash at the kid is not the key to signing Dunn long term.

Right now Dunn has no incentive whatsoever to sign. This team is at least 5-6 years away from being a contender instead of a pretender. The farm system is bare. The front office is in shambles. There is no plan in place for this afternoon - let alone tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year. The only incentive to stay has been his clubhouse commraderie, and now that Casey is gone and talk has turned to trading Kearns, the Reds seem bent on dismantling that.

I honestly think that the Reds cannot wave enough money under his nose to keep him from bolting at the first chance.

Unassisted
01-15-2006, 09:20 AM
I don't remember exactly where I read that as it has been early December since Casey was traded but I distinctly remember reading that. I brought it up at the time of the trade, because Dunn made the statement about not wanting to play 1B in an interview last year. But as pedro said, Dunn himself hasn't reiterated this sentiment since the trade IMO a smart move, even if he does still feel that way.

creek14
01-15-2006, 09:35 AM
He hasn't come right out and said he doesn't want to play first, but he has talked around it some. He said he prefers left cause he can move around and you just stand there at first (well I hope he does a little more than just stand there). And then he also said something to the effect he has worked hard to learn to play left good enough he won't lose games for the team and he is a little afraid of what might happen at first. So I don't think that it is he going to refuse to play there or anything, he is just more concerned about looking like a fool and hurting the team.

I think he said a few things in the Hal article right after Sean was traded, but he also talked about it on the Hot Stove League show. I remember that clearly cause I was driving home from DC and I was on some psuedo mountian top in WV and was able to pick up WLW as clear as a bell. So of course I was hanging on to Adam's every word.

westofyou
01-15-2006, 11:10 AM
"I've never not felt comfortable , I've played a long time, so it's a natural position. I don't care if I don't play there for 3 months and then get sent there for one game. I don't feel out of place. (But) I like to run around the outfield, I don't like to just stand around.
Adam Dunn on 1st base 12-05 Reds Report
(Quoted prior to Casey Trade)

pedro
01-15-2006, 04:47 PM
I'm not sure why we automatically assume that the Reds haven't already offered Dunn a better-than-market-value LTC deal. I do not believe that money alone will keep Dunn around. Throwing ungodly amounts of cash at the kid is not the key to signing Dunn long term.

Right now Dunn has no incentive whatsoever to sign. This team is at least 5-6 years away from being a contender instead of a pretender. The farm system is bare. The front office is in shambles. There is no plan in place for this afternoon - let alone tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year. The only incentive to stay has been his clubhouse commraderie, and now that Casey is gone and talk has turned to trading Kearns, the Reds seem bent on dismantling that.

I honestly think that the Reds cannot wave enough money under his nose to keep him from bolting at the first chance.


risk of injury over the next two years is an incentive.