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WVRed
01-16-2006, 08:19 AM
This was rumored yesterday on CBS by Seth Davis and Clark Kellog.

Skip Prosser to UC(has been rumored for quite some time)
John Beilein to Wake
Bob Huggins to WVU

You have to figure if that happens, Huggins could be bringing in the Huggy-five(Mayo, Walker, Ellis, Patterson, and Bennett). Don't know what I wouldnt give to see Ohio St and WVU meet in the next two years(assuming Oden stays).

marcshoe
01-16-2006, 08:40 AM
I certainly hope not (as a WVU fan). Nothing against Huggins, but I'd rather see things done Beilein's way. Things really fell right for West Virginia when they stumbled into hiring him.

Reds4Life
01-16-2006, 11:11 AM
Prosser to UC is going to happen, but I'm not sure about Beilein to Wake. He's made some comments that could lead one to believe he isn't interested in leaving. Wake has it's positives and negatives, Beilein makes $770k at WVU, Prosser makes over a million with bonuses at Wake, plus WF has private jets for recruiting, etc. The biggest problem Wake has, which I think Skip figured out this year, is that recruiting against Duke and UNC in the ACC is tough; you are basically fighting for leftovers in the region when they are done.

Davis also mentioned that Huggins could end up at Missouri since it seems to be a forgone conclusion that Quinn Snyder is on his way out after this season. Either way I wish Bob the best, and I will likely become a fan of whatever team hires him. Cincinnati basketball owes a lot to Bob Huggins, even tough some in the UC administration would like you to believe otherwise.

15fan
01-16-2006, 01:21 PM
Prosser to UC is going to happen, but I'm not sure about Beilein to Wake. He's made some comments that could lead one to believe he isn't interested in leaving. Wake has it's positives and negatives, Beilein makes $770k at WVU, Prosser makes over a million with bonuses at Wake, plus WF has private jets for recruiting, etc. The biggest problem Wake has, which I think Skip figured out this year, is that recruiting against Duke and UNC in the ACC is tough; you are basically fighting for leftovers in the region when they are done.

With each passing day and the lack of Skip denying the UC rumors, I think it's likely that he's leaving Winston-Salem after the season. It's one of those situations where his silence is deafening.

If Skip wants to go, then I'll wish him well. He's run a clean program, won a lot of games, and certainly amped up the enthusiasm around the program. The flip side is that he hasn't won the "big game", due mainly to the fact that his teams have never really played much defense.

But I disagree about recruiting in the region against Duke & UNC. If anything, Prosser has cleaned up in the state of North Carolina. If you look at the big name recruits who have come in on his watch - Eric Williams (NC), Justin Gray (NC), Chris Paul, (NC), Kevin Swinton (NC), as well as the role players (Taron Downey, Trent Strickland, and to a lesser extent, Jeremy Ingram, Cameron Stanley, Todd Hendley), there's a huge NC flavor to the roster. He's also lined up Ish Smith & Jamie Skeen in next year's freshman class.

Conversely, most of the big time names at Duke & UNC over the same period have come from outside of NC. Off the top of my head, I think Rashad McCants was the only significant recruit for either school to come from NC during Prosser's tenure.

As far as Prosser's ability to go after the truly elite players, he had Wake in the driver's seat for quite a long time with the holy trinity of Oden/Conely/Cook who will enroll at OSU. For most of their junior year in HS, it was widely speculated that Conley was the ringleader, and if you could get him, you stood a great chance at landing at least one of the other two. All last season, Conley kept on talking about how his idol was Chris Paul and how Wake was the leader.

Then a funny thing happened and Daquean Cook committed to OSU. All of a sudden, it became obvious that Conley wasn't the leader of the crew - Cook was. Oden & Conley then fell like dominos. Couple that with Chris Paul's decision to leave a year earlier than most folks expected, and Skip's had a pretty rough year.

Recruiting against Duke & UNC isn't what's tough. It's getting an evenly & consistently officiated game against those schools that's the tough thing. ;)

Reds4Life
01-16-2006, 01:40 PM
With each passing day and the lack of Skip denying the UC rumors, I think it's likely that he's leaving Winston-Salem after the season. It's one of those situations where his silence is deafening.

Well, Skip hasn't commented on any other jobs in the past, he wouldn't comment on Wake while at Xavier, didn't comment on Pitt while at Wake, so I don't see why it's a surprise he won't comment on UC. I can't really blame him, if he comes out and says he's leaving at the end of the year it would make an already up and down Wake season worse, and it could demoralize the current team.

Some Wake fans I know are starting to question his loyalty now, accusing him of job shopping. I don't think he expected the only 2 jobs he'd ever consider leaving Wake for to actually open, I think it's mostly just bad luck on Wake's part. If he does leave for UC I don't see him going anywhere else, he'll retire here.

Benihana
01-17-2006, 10:20 AM
Is there any kind of link regarding the Prosser to UC rumors from CBS? I would love to see Skip at UC, however I would not like to see Huggs go to WV because that would ensure Mayo and co. go there. The inside word I've heard (and it is relatively reliable) has Huggs going to South Florida, and the current UC staff all going with him.

CrackerJack
01-17-2006, 10:28 AM
Skip not contacted by UC

http://wakeforest.scout.com/2/489619.html

WVRed
01-17-2006, 03:26 PM
Skip not contacted by UC

http://wakeforest.scout.com/2/489619.html

Well, of course not during season, that would be tampering I believe.

The day Nancy Zimpher dismissed Bob Huggins was most likely the day Mayo and Company lost all interest in attending UC. I doubt even hiring Skip Prosser would help matters much.

If for whatever reason the Morgantown job opens, Huggins would immediately become the front-runner. But that has to happen first, and I dont see it.

Reds4Life
01-17-2006, 04:29 PM
Skip not contacted by UC

http://wakeforest.scout.com/2/489619.html

From Dustin Dow, a writer for the Enquirer


Much ado about nothing

So people are abuzz apparently about this article on Wake Forest's Scout.com web site that says UC has not contacted Skip Prosser.

Really?

Does anyone actually think that UC is going to formally contact Prosser in the middle of the season? Honestly?

Of course UC hasn't contacted him. That doesn't mean that Nancy Zimpher and Nancy Prosser haven't had lunch or that Prosser hasn't talked to Bob Huggins about the job or that messages of interest from both parties aren't being exchanged. Because that's what I'm hearing from people close to Prosser.

He may not be UC's next coach. But don't believe that communication isn't occuring back and forth.

Matt700wlw
01-17-2006, 04:33 PM
Rick Majerus
:)

Reds4Life
01-17-2006, 04:35 PM
Rick Majerus
:)

You listen to Terry Nelson too much. ;)

LoganBuck
01-19-2006, 10:29 PM
Huggins was on the ESPN broadcast tonight.

Very complimentary of Andy Kennedy and "my guys".

Looking forward to coaching next season. Says the year off has been really good for him.

kxblue
01-20-2006, 12:02 AM
Hopefully he sobered up and found some morals. As a Xavier fan, I like Kennedy. He is doing a lot with very little. I really feel sorry for Downey. Next yeat its him vs the world.

SunDeck
01-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Hopefully he sobered up and found some morals. As a Xavier fan, I like Kennedy. He is doing a lot with very little. I really feel sorry for Downey. Next yeat its him vs the world.

I think that's uncalled for. The guy may have had questionable judgement about his recruits, and may have some problems with the bottle, but unless you are a member of the local Temperence Union, I'm not sure that makes him immoral.

Matt700wlw
01-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Hopefully he sobered up and found some morals. .


Get off it....

MWM
01-20-2006, 07:49 PM
Count me against Prosser. I don't think he's a very good game coach based on his time at Xavier. I'm lukewarm on Andy Kennedy. I think he's a good coach and if he could get the players I'd love to keep him around, but I doubt he gets good players. You have to have both in this day and age.

paintmered
01-20-2006, 08:14 PM
Count me against Prosser. I don't think he's a very good game coach based on his time at Xavier. I'm lukewarm on Andy Kennedy. I think he's a good coach and if he could get the players I'd love to keep him around, but I doubt he gets good players. You have to have both in this day and age.

I agree with you on Kennedy. Kennedy will be a successful mid-major coach after this season. He just doesn't have the clout to recruit to the level UC needs to compete in the Big East.

However, I think Prosser is still the best option right now. I do agree he is not a great game coach but he would restore much needed legitimacy to the program. For a program that has nobody returning for next year and nothing in the recruiting pipeline, he is the best bet for restoring UC basketball due to the name recognition alone. He also already has his foot in the door of high schools both locally and the east coast. That's something the Mick Cronin's of the world don't have.

Reds4Life
01-20-2006, 08:59 PM
I agree with you on Kennedy. Kennedy will be a successful mid-major coach after this season. He just doesn't have the clout to recruit to the level UC needs to compete in the Big East.

However, I think Prosser is still the best option right now. I do agree he is not a great game coach but he would restore much needed legitimacy to the program. For a program that has nobody returning for next year and nothing in the recruiting pipeline, he is the best bet for restoring UC basketball due to the name recognition alone. He also already has his foot in the door of high schools both locally and the east coast. That's something the Mick Cronin's of the world don't have.

The rumor is our backup if Prosser doesn't happen is Vandy's Kevin Stallings. Yawn. My guess is Zimpher's relationship with Vandy Prez Gordon Gee has a lot to do with that. Stallings was passed over at OSU for Matta and IMO doesn't have the star power to rebuild this program quickly and compete in the Big East.

I'm not a huge fan of Prosser either, he can't coach defense and his teams nose dive in the tourney, but he's the biggest name we can get. If we don't hire a name coach this program is going to be a Big East bottom feeder for at least 5 years. I've got a really bad feeling Zimpher and pals are going to screw this up and UC basketball will never recover. :(

WVRed
01-21-2006, 06:17 AM
The rumor is our backup if Prosser doesn't happen is Vandy's Kevin Stallings. Yawn. My guess is Zimpher's relationship with Vandy Prez Gordon Gee has a lot to do with that. Stallings was passed over at OSU for Matta and IMO doesn't have the star power to rebuild this program quickly and compete in the Big East.

I'm not a huge fan of Prosser either, he can't coach defense and his teams nose dive in the tourney, but he's the biggest name we can get. If we don't hire a name coach this program is going to be a Big East bottom feeder for at least 5 years. I've got a really bad feeling Zimpher and pals are going to screw this up and UC basketball will never recover. :(

Speaking as a UK fan, Stallings is a class act in the SEC and has really turned Vanderbilt around. Considering the situations, I think he would be a good fit at UC.

Then again, Prosser would be better.

Reds4Life
01-21-2006, 12:30 PM
Speaking as a UK fan, Stallings is a class act in the SEC and has really turned Vanderbilt around. Considering the situations, I think he would be a good fit at UC.

Then again, Prosser would be better.

Stallings just doesn't have the "it" factor IMO. I've watched him coach quite a bit and courtside demeanor is about as exciting as watching paint dry. UC has NOTHING in the pipeline at all, it's going to take a big name coach to keep the program afloat for the new few years, IMO Stallings isn't that coach.

Aside from that, a lot of fans and donors are waiting to see who the next coach is before they either comeback to the program or stay away for good. I don't see Kevin Stallings bridging the gap that has been created by the administration. The next hire needs to be close to the same level, or an upgrade, to what Huggins has done at UC and not many coaches can fit that profile. Prosser is one, Majerus is one (but with his health problems I'd rather not have him) and Jay Wright is the other.

I just don't see UC fans accepting a lesser name coach than what we had, not after all that's happened and the bitterness that still exists. Speaking for myself, if Stallings is the guy I'm done with UC basketball, and I'm UC alum and have been a fan for 20 years.

Edit: Oh, and if Huggins ends up at WVU I'm going to become a WV fan. :)

Matt700wlw
01-21-2006, 01:31 PM
Edit: Oh, and if Huggins ends up at WVU I'm going to become a WV fan. :)


I will always be a UC fan.....and I will always be a Bob Huggins coached team fan..

Chip R
01-23-2006, 10:33 AM
Speaking as a UK fan, Stallings is a class act in the SEC and has really turned Vanderbilt around. Considering the situations, I think he would be a good fit at UC.
Stallings is a schmuck. He used to coach at Illinois State and used to whine and cry when he didn't get conference Coach of the Year or one of his players didn't get Player of the year. Good coach but he's a crybaby.

Heath
01-23-2006, 10:37 AM
I vote for Andy Kennedy.

And I can't stand UC.

Roy Tucker
01-23-2006, 01:37 PM
They could always bring back Gale Catlett to clean things up :rolleyes: