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westofyou
01-24-2006, 01:45 PM
http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=15115


NAME Air Water Toxics HW Sanitation Total
Portland (OR) 49 50 35 32 43 44.00
San Jose 41 50 50 21 32 40.71
Buffalo 34 50 27 26 47 38.29
Columbus 24 50 31 45 NA 37.33
San Francisco 47 50 34 16 12 36.57
Denver 27 50 44 19 NA 36.17
Rochester (NY) 46 32 32 43 19 35.71
Austin 44 9 48 50 NA 34.00
Orlando 48 23 9 38 48 33.86
San Diego 13 50 46 42 14 32.57
Hartford 32 29 47 9 44 31.71
Sacramento 4 50 49 40 24 31.57
Las Vegas 12 50 40 49 7 31.43
San Antonio 42 18 42 47 8 31.00
Oklahoma City 43 1 45 41 40 30.57
Minneapolis 33 30 21 35 31 30.43
Indianapolis 23 31 33 44 27 30.29
Salt Lake City 26 50 2 14 42 30.00
Jacksonville 45 24 19 20 NA 29.50
Charlotte 28 34 22 27 28 28.71
Virginia Beach 35 17 29 33 30 28.00
Cincinnati 19 35 11 38 34 27.29
Nashville 30 14 18 46 38 27.14
Riverside (CA) 1 50 43 25 15 26.43
New Orleans 39 13 10 48 21 26.14
Milwaukee 37 10 38 38 10 25.71
Seattle 36 21 37 15 13 25.57
Baltimore 16 33 14 24 41 25.29
Miami 50 11 36 8 9 25.00
Dallas 20 28 30 31 16 24.71
Tampa 40 3 17 17 50 24.29
Memphis 22 12 24 29 46 23.86
Providence 39 8 41 7 22 23.43
Louisville 21 15 15 39 35 23.00
Wash(DC) 25 19 12 13 45 22.57
Phoenix 17 37 1 22 23 22.00
Detroit 10 27 20 10 49 21.86
Richmond 31 4 13 34 36 21.86
Cleveland 9 25 26 31 26 21.57
Atlanta 15 26 4 11 39 19.43
Houston 7 39 3 19 20 19.14
Los Angeles 2 38 28 3 17 18.29
Boston 29 7 39 5 11 18.14
Philadelphia 14 22 16 2 37 18.14
Kansas City 19 16 25 13 NA 18.00
Birmingham 8 20 8 28 33 17.86
St. Louis 5 36 6 6 25 17.00
Pittsburgh 6 5 5 23 29 11.29
New York 11 2 23 1 NA 8.33
Chicago 3 6 7 4 18 6.71

Heath
01-24-2006, 02:06 PM
That big, puffed out chest floating around in the clear, clean PDX sky is woy's.

Be Careful out there :thumbup:

RedFanAlways1966
01-24-2006, 02:52 PM
Good for those at the top. I wonder how these cities compare to themselves from around 1950 (before we became more concerned with good ideas like less pollution).

I always wonder about the objectivity of these kinds of tests. Do they have a machine testing the water and air... or is it the judgment of certain people (those doing the testing with their drinkining and breathing). How do they judge sanitation?

I am not trying to get political and hope it is okay to mention... I find it ironic that two of the largest "blue cities" in our great country seem to be at the bottom of the cleanliness heap (and Boston 8th from the bottom). We usually tend to associate these cities with the ideoligies of a clean environment and less pollution. I guess it goes to show that terms like tree-hugger and the like are not always true and are just a part of the political mud-machine (imagine that!).

westofyou
01-24-2006, 02:57 PM
I find it ironic that two of the largest "blue cities" in our great country seem to be at the bottom of the cleanliness heapTwo of the oldest mass industry cites in the USA as is Boston, centuries of filth on top of each other.

Portland and San Jose have little industry as does San Francisco

pedro
01-24-2006, 03:05 PM
Good for those at the top. I wonder how these cities compare to themselves from around 1950 (before we became more concerned with good ideas like less pollution).


I think a good example of this is probably Columbus. Most of it's growth has been since 1950 and although it is a fast growing area, it is still towards the top of the list while Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland are close in proximity, but signifigantly lower on the list.

RedFanAlways1966
01-24-2006, 03:05 PM
Two of the oldest mass industry cites in the USA as is Boston, centuries of filth on top of each other.

Portland and San Jose have little industry as does San Francisco

Great points, woy. And SF got a "clean start" after everything went up in smoke in April 1906!

westofyou
01-24-2006, 03:07 PM
And SF got a "clean start" after everything went up in smoke in April 1906!SF is a small place, about 99% housing and business. The streach down the Penisula is where industry is... and Oakland too.

Doc. Scott
01-24-2006, 03:13 PM
I guess "highway trash along the beltway" wasn't weighted *that* heavily, or Portland might not have finished first. But, yeah, the air and water are nice.

pedro
01-24-2006, 03:14 PM
I guess "highway trash along the beltway" wasn't weighted *that* heavily, or Portland might not have finished first. But, yeah, the air and water are nice.


:laugh:

205 is a pit.

westofyou
01-24-2006, 03:29 PM
But, yeah, the air and water are nice.Yeah they're both pretty much wet all the time.

Unassisted
01-24-2006, 03:49 PM
The list is flawed. San Antonio's Edwards Aquifer has some of the cleanest water in the country, so I question where that 18 comes from in that column. If San Antonio's water were given the 50 it deserves, the ranking would move into the Top 10. Apparently the makers of the list don't approve of San Antonio's twice weekly trash pickup and citywide recycling program, either. :dunno:

SunDeck
01-24-2006, 05:01 PM
I think Bloomington is too small for the list. Except for that little PCB problem, we're probably sanitary compared to the major cities.

vaticanplum
01-24-2006, 05:14 PM
I am printing this out and carrying it with me to show to anyone in my current home, Chicago, whenever s/he feels the need to talk about how dirty my former home, New York City, is. It's a stereotype that people base on their week-long visits to Times Square and hold to fervently for the rest of their lives, and it drives me absolutely bananas.

Of course, they're the bottom two cities on the list, but small victories, small victories...

919191
01-24-2006, 05:25 PM
I live in Terre Haute, In. Terre Haute has a national reputation for "stinking". The city has actually hired outside consultants to figure out why and a solution.

There is a wastewater treatment plant about a mile from downtown.

cincinnati chili
01-28-2006, 12:37 PM
Denver is one of my favorite cities, but I question whether the air in the city limits is actually twice as clean as Cincinnati's. Did they take Cincy's measurement right over Proctor and Gamble, and take Denver's measurement 10 miles into the mountains?

I will say that metro Denver has taken much more effective steps than Cincinnati to reduce pollution.

Red in Chicago
01-28-2006, 11:44 PM
northwest indiana must be dragging down chicago, because to me, it's one of the most beautiful cities in the country...

pedro
01-28-2006, 11:55 PM
Portland is kind of a weird place because, unlike many other cities , the actual down town area is pretty damn clean and the farther you get away from downtown the worse it gets.