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Royals Fan
01-26-2006, 06:48 AM
Rotoworld has an article from the KC Star- stating the Royals and Reds could be in trade talk with Austin Kearns being the main discussion.

Despite the addition of Reggie Sanders to their outfield, the Royals still have a great deal of interest in Austin Kearns, according to the Kansas City Star.
It's safe to assume that they're still not giving up Zack Greinke for him, though. Maybe they'd part with either Mike MacDougal or Jeremy Affeldt along with a starter such as Runelvys Hernandez or Denny Bautista. Maybe the Reds would even want both relievers, with the idea that Affeldt could go back into the rotation. If the Royals acquired Kearns, Emil Brown would likely be shoved into a reserve role. Jan. 26 - 4:50 am et

StillFunkyB
01-26-2006, 07:13 AM
I would rather have them keep Ears then trade him for a couple of pitchers that have had arm problems.

OnBaseMachine
01-26-2006, 07:40 AM
Start with J.P. Howell and you may have something. No Howell, no deal.

steig
01-26-2006, 07:45 AM
I believe relievers and developing a bullpen is easier than most think so I consider their value to be considerably less. We need a starter for kearns, young power hitting outfielders who can play solid defense are rare in baseball.

Benihana
01-26-2006, 09:50 AM
Kearns for Greinke sounds OK to me. Especially if they throw in MacDougal or Affeldt.

Johnny Footstool
01-26-2006, 10:20 AM
I posted on the other forum that the first person who mentions Zach Greinke in a deal for Kearns gets thumped in the head. You win, Benihana.

OnBaseMachine is on the right track. Lefty J.P. Howell is the key to any deal with the Royals.

KronoRed
01-26-2006, 10:24 AM
We'd be lucky to just get Greinke

savafan
01-26-2006, 10:29 AM
When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought it said Kearns to KFC?

KronoRed
01-26-2006, 10:30 AM
We better get a bunch of biscuits back in that deal

Redsnake
01-26-2006, 10:56 AM
Wasn't Runelvys Hernandez suppose too be the next big thing before King Felix(Mariners 19 yr old ace)??

deltachi8
01-26-2006, 11:09 AM
When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought it said Kearns to KFC?

I think thats what happened in the off season last year...lots of them biscuits and massed pertaters.

George Foster
01-26-2006, 11:14 AM
We better get a bunch of biscuits back in that deal

If you look at Kearns waist line, I think he has eaten most of them!:laugh:

Ravenlord
01-26-2006, 11:16 AM
Wasn't Runelvys Hernandez suppose too be the next big thing before King Felix(Mariners 19 yr old ace)??
i seem to remember that too. he had decentish numbers in the low minors, which was enough for KC to throw him onto the big club. his arm and development have suffered since. it's a shame too. he looked liked he could have been a 3/4 starter, now he's going to be one hangers on #5/long relief guys once his arb years pass.

if you've ever seen footage of Hernandez pitching last year, and compare his stuff to 2002 when he was first called up, he doesn't even look close to having the same stuff...or mechanics for that matter.

OldXOhio
01-26-2006, 11:18 AM
10 teams in the mix for a trade Kullman says? Most if not all have an interest in Kearns I'm guessing? I'm with Funky....enough of the troubled arms. If that's all that KC's willing to part with, then so be it. There ought to be equal if not better offers elsewhere.

Red Leader
01-26-2006, 11:25 AM
If a trade of Kearns to KC happened, I'd want J.P. Howell and a prospect. Two that I like are OF Billy Butler and SP Luis Cota.

M2
01-26-2006, 11:29 AM
It's kind of funny how the Royals can't give Jeremy Affeldt away. I get impression that Allard Baird spends half his day offering to trade Affeldt for good players only to hear the receiver slam down on the other end.

Red Leader
01-26-2006, 11:34 AM
It's kind of funny how the Royals can't give Jeremy Affeldt away. I get impression that Allard Baird spends half his day offering to trade Affeldt for good players only to hear the receiver slam down on the other end.

Same with MacDougal to a lesser extent. It's like he offers Affeldt to everyone and when they say no, he says "well, I'll throw in MacDougal..." only to hear the all too familiar "no" again.

Johnny Footstool
01-26-2006, 12:26 PM
Affeldt and MacDougal are going to end up doing a Vaudeville comedy act together in the Catskills.

"Hey, Affeldt, I hear your ERA is over 5!"

"Yeah, MacDougal, but your IQ isn't! Zowie!"

(cue spinning ties and spritzer bottle)

dougdirt
01-26-2006, 12:41 PM
If a trade of Kearns to KC happened, I'd want J.P. Howell and a prospect. Two that I like are OF Billy Butler and SP Luis Cota.
You arent going to get Bulter away from them, just like you arent getting Grienke. Bulter is possibly their top prospect.

pedro
01-26-2006, 12:47 PM
Zack Greinke was absolutely HORRIBLE last year. IMO he was either hurt or he really isn't any good. Either way, I'll pass if the price is AK.

Red Leader
01-26-2006, 01:13 PM
You arent going to get Bulter away from them, just like you arent getting Grienke. Bulter is possibly their top prospect.

Yeah, well, there's plenty of other places to shop, too.

dougflynn23
01-26-2006, 03:16 PM
:) There are three things that are certain in life....death, taxes, and Redszone posters overvaluing Austin Kearns. There is no way in the world that KC would trade either Billy Butler, JP Howell, or Zach Grienke for Austin Kearns. Kearns is 1 year away fron free agency while Grienke and Butler are still under KC's financial control for years.

The name I'd be looking for would be Andy Sisco. A 23 year old LHP who averaged a K per IP in 2005 in his first year back from TJS. I'd take sisco straight up for Kearns; that's how much I like him.

lollipopcurve
01-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Kearns is 1 year away fron free agency

I think it's more like 3.

pedro
01-26-2006, 03:20 PM
:) There are three things that are certain in life....death, taxes, and Redszone posters overvaluing Austin Kearns. There is no way in the world that KC would trade either Billy Butler, JP Howell, or Zach Grienke for Austin Kearns. Kearns is 1 year away fron free agency while Grienke and Butler are still under KC's financial control for years.

The name I'd be looking for would be Andy Sisco. A 23 year old LHP who averaged a K per IP in 2005 in his first year back from TJS. I'd take sisco straight up for Kearns; that's how much I like him.

TTBOMK, Kearns can't be a FA until after the 2008 season.

And Greinke sucks.

pedro
01-26-2006, 03:25 PM
Sisco is somewhat interesting. He's 6-10 ! But he walks a ton of guys.

M2
01-26-2006, 03:39 PM
I think it's more like 3.

I was under the impression he's eligible to walk after 2007, though it depends on whether his 2002 campaign counted as a full season or not. This is his second shot at arbitration.

Honestly I hate to think about the excess rust likely to build up on Austin's motor if he missed the FA cutoff for 2007.

pedro
01-26-2006, 03:45 PM
Looks like it's 2007 according to this site.


http://www.mlb4u.com/0708FA.html

WVRed
01-26-2006, 05:26 PM
You arent going to get Bulter away from them, just like you arent getting Grienke. Bulter is possibly their top prospect.

Alex Gordon says hi.:)

dougdirt
01-26-2006, 05:28 PM
Alex Gordon, HI!

pedro
01-26-2006, 05:29 PM
BTW- Sisco is a RHP.

VI_RedsFan
01-26-2006, 07:28 PM
Royals Fan-

Do you know if there is any chance that the Royals would be willing to give up J.P. Howell for AK?

If not, I don't think I'd mind Baustista, Affeldt, and MacDougal. DennyB has to be part of the equation though.

M2
01-26-2006, 07:52 PM
BTW- Sisco is a RHP.

No, he's a lefty. I noticed baseball-reference.com has him listed as a RHP, but it's wrong.

pedro
01-26-2006, 07:56 PM
No, he's a lefty. I noticed baseball-reference.com has him listed as a RHP, but it's wrong.


ESPN.com says he bats LH and throws RH. I've never seen him pitch so I don't know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7470

westofyou
01-26-2006, 07:58 PM
No, he's a lefty. I noticed baseball-reference.com has him listed as a RHP, but it's wrong.
Sabermetric encyclopedia has him LH/LH

pedro
01-26-2006, 08:01 PM
Sabermetric encyclopedia has him LH/LH

Damn you WOY and your infernal stats.

M2
01-26-2006, 08:05 PM
BA and Baseball Cube have him lefty too. He's also listed as a LHP on the team site.

Anyway, I've seen him pitch. Though I do have a tendency to get these things mixed up, I can say with absolute certainty that Sisco's a southpaw.

westofyou
01-26-2006, 08:05 PM
Damn you WOY and your infernal stats. when his file comes up it makes the program crash.

westofyou
01-26-2006, 08:06 PM
BTW Sisco is 6' 7" 270, he and Coffey would make a great tag team.

Maldonado
01-26-2006, 08:13 PM
"Zack Greinke was absolutely HORRIBLE last year. IMO he was either hurt or he really isn't any good. Either way, I'll pass if the price is AK."

In 95% agreement. It must be taken into account though that Greinke had horrible run support and played on a team who had a horrible season. Still, it seems the Royals would get the better end of a deal involved ZG and AK.

Slyder
01-27-2006, 12:03 AM
"Zack Greinke was absolutely HORRIBLE last year. IMO he was either hurt or he really isn't any good. Either way, I'll pass if the price is AK."

In 95% agreement. It must be taken into account though that Greinke had horrible run support and played on a team who had a horrible season. Still, it seems the Royals would get the better end of a deal involved ZG and AK.

Also look at how Jeremy Bonderman developed from Detroit, lost 20 games one year and was an All Star last year I think.

NewEraReds
01-27-2006, 12:06 AM
TTBOMK, Kearns can't be a FA until after the 2008 season.

And Greinke sucks.
DARN straight he does. what anyone sees in him is beyond me. most overated player/prospect in baseball

NewEraReds
01-27-2006, 12:07 AM
Also look at how Jeremy Bonderman developed from Detroit, lost 20 games one year and was an All Star last year I think.
dont look at the losses, look at the other stats and WATCH them pitch. greinke is not that good, and doesnt have "it" imo. whatever you want to call "it" i just dont see greinke ever being what he was thought to be. not that he wont have a solid career. at this point, there is no way id trade kearns for him

Royals Fan
01-27-2006, 08:38 AM
Andy Sisco is LHP- he throw about 95 plus,

Guys i have seen Jboth Jermey and Mike alot living in KC and going out to the K.


I believe both Affedlt and Mcdougal if offered for Kearns- i would do the deal cause-Affedlt can be starter or great set up man when he told exactly what where he gong to be with the team with an above fastball and great curve in lines young Randy Myers or Norm Chalton and Mcdougal IMO has turned the page and will be a solid closer in lines of Rob Nen, nasty stuff and could be wild some nights but that be will settled to be one of best young closer in the league.

I would asked for Sisco and Mcdougal first-cause Andy is younger but if the Allrd Barid balks i would do the above deal-They where offered for Kris Besnon and the Mets turned them down. I think Kearns is little better then Benson.

iaredsfan
01-27-2006, 07:09 PM
I spent a month in KC last summer. Greinke's big problem seems to be that he has raw talent, but also doesn't listen to advice from the pitching coach or manager. He apparently has a head problem -- that being said, they aren't going to give up on him yet, because he is still very young.

The Royals do have a bunch of young arms that are better than MacDougal or Affeldt -- Andy Sisco, Danny Bautista, or Ambriorix Burgos. I don't know whether they would give any of them up -- they all throw extremely hard.
J. P. Howell has a lot of potential -- not a hard thrower -- but, they rushed him last year.

Billy Butler is close to untouchable for them, in fact I recently read that they expect him to be in their lineup sometime around All-Star break.

MattyHo4Life
01-27-2006, 07:27 PM
i just dont see greinke ever being what he was thought to be.
A lot of people would say that about Kearns right now as well.

M2
01-27-2006, 07:35 PM
Royals Fan, all due respect, but Affeldt's an awful pitcher. He's a galloping disaster. He'd be worth a flyer as waiver claim. That's about it. The Royals have been trying to trade him for two years hoping that someone is crazy enough to think he's worth something and haven't gotten so much as a bite. If he were any good, a pitching starved organization like the Royals wouldn't part with him.

Hondo
01-28-2006, 03:58 AM
Howell and Greinke or NO DICE....

JaredRoberts.com

Royals Fan
01-28-2006, 04:23 AM
If push came to shove - i would want Burgois and Sisco- they are my 2 fav young Royals pitchers- both of them can wow ya but they sometimes can not get the ball into strike zone at all. You can not go wrong with young pitchers that thow the ball between 95 and 100 mph on each pitch and are less then 25 years old

VI_RedsFan
01-28-2006, 01:24 PM
Howell and Greinke or NO DICE....

JaredRoberts.com

Howell AND Greinke!! Keep dreaming.

KearnsyEars
01-28-2006, 02:19 PM
I think thats what happened in the off season last year...lots of them biscuits and massed pertaters.



I bet ears fat ass loves KC