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flyer85
01-26-2006, 01:54 PM
defenders than most think, especially in terms of rangeat 2b?

Food for thought, follow the link.

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/012851.php


I'm impressed again that Rich Aurilia does well. He ranked high on the shortstop list last year.

TRF
01-26-2006, 02:01 PM
RA isn't. He's a statue. Freel could be. He's got dynamite range, but needs consistent PT at one position.

westofyou
01-26-2006, 02:04 PM
Here's your 2nd baseman from last year, then Pokey's 1999 for comparison


RANGE RANGE A PO E PCT G
1 Aaron Holbert 4.75 8 11 1 .950 4
2 Ryan Freel 4.54 127 91 6 .973 48
3 Rich Aurilia 4.46 176 127 6 .981 68
4 William Bergolla 4.44 29 11 0 1.000 9
5 D'Angelo Jimenez 4.41 63 56 2 .983 27
6 Felipe Lopez 3.71 11 15 0 1.000 7
7 Rainer Olmedo 2.52 40 38 2 .975 31
8 Luis Lopez 2.00 5 3 0 1.000 4

RANGE RANGE A PO E PCT G
1 Pokey Reese 4.98 409 323 7 .991 147
2 Chris Stynes 2.51 60 48 5 .956 43

flyer85
01-26-2006, 02:04 PM
RA isn't. He's a statue. Freel could be. He's got dynamite range, but needs consistent PT at one position.the numbers would differ on RA. If you look at the list it tends to pass the smell test because for the most part the guys at the top and bottom are the ones you would expect. This isn't just a subjective analysis.

flyer85
01-26-2006, 02:06 PM
Here's your 2nd baseman from last year, then Pokey's 1999 for comparison
the analysis this guy claims to be doing is much more detailed than just the range factor.

westofyou
01-26-2006, 02:09 PM
the analysis this guy claims to be doing is much more detailed than just the range factor.I know that, but RF bunches then together as well. As noted in the comments section


It's pretty impressive that no matter what metric you use---whether it be win shares, ZR, B-Pro's stats or this ---Orlando Hudson always winds up on top. There aren't too many players that they ALL agree on like that.

RedsManRick
01-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Range is just (assists + putouts)/9 innings, right? So the fact that we had an extreme flyball staff lastyear negatively impacts the range factors of our infielders. I don't remember what our 1999 staff was like, but to me this suggests that Aurillia's range isn't as bad as it may look in person.

You can have great "range" through great positioning, not just through lateral acceleration. The best players have both.

flyer85
01-26-2006, 02:15 PM
You can have great "range" through great positioning, not just through lateral acceleration. The best players have both.Cal Ripken was considered an excellent defensive player at SS and he was certainly not fast by any means. A lot can be done with good positioning, balance, some initial quickness and excellent hands
.

westofyou
01-26-2006, 02:21 PM
Cal Ripken was considered an excellent defensive player at SS and he was certainly not fast by any means. A lot can be done with good positioning, balance, some initial quickness and excellent hands
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His size (larger stride) and arm allowed him to play deeper in the hole than most SS before him.

lollipopcurve
01-26-2006, 02:28 PM
If anyone thinks RA has a lot more range than Rey Olmedo, they're crazy. Either the sample size for Rey Rey is way too small, or the metric is seriously flawed.

Gainesville Red
01-26-2006, 02:43 PM
I agree, no statistic could ever convince me that RA has good range. He moves in the field like his feet are cemented.

creek14
01-26-2006, 03:18 PM
He moves in the field like his feet are cemented.
Yeah, I tried to get him over to the Ohio River after I did that, but he just put up too much of a fight.