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Unassisted
01-27-2006, 03:08 AM
jmcclain19 will enjoy this rumor... ;)

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0127baseball27.html


Goodyear pursuing spring training stadium
Christine L. Romero
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 27, 2006 12:00 AM Goodyear is stepping up to the plate again in the hopes of housing a two-team Major League Baseball facility.

Officials are asking landowners to collaborate on the project that would tap Goodyear into Arizona's robust tourism dollars stemming from spring training.

The Cactus League's spring training is big business in Arizona. More than a million fans pour an estimated $250 million annually into the state's economy.

Goodyear officials envision a 10,000-seat stadium on about 120 acres. That could cost upward of $50 million to $60 million, experts indicate. They figure the project could require at least 200 total acres to accommodate a facility and the development that would grow nearby.

Other cities, such as Peoria, have restaurants and theaters near their complexes.

City economic development staff sent letters out specifically to owners of large swaths of Goodyear land. They have until today to respond. The city had one official response Thursday afternoon.

"We are working on this very diligently," Goodyear Mayor Jim Cavanaugh said. "One issue is where would it be and how do we make that land affordable? But we need to make a decision soon."

Goodyear, nestled in the southwest Valley with about 42,000 residents, still has large areas of land available and is less than 20 percent built out.

But development continues rolling along, and large parcels are starting to get locked up as the price for land soars.

At build out, Goodyear is expected to have about 360,000 people. By contrast, Scottsdale is now home to about 220,000.

"Our interest is in developing a recreation campus that can be part of a bigger vision," Goodyear City Manager Stephen Cleveland said. "We can locate other developments with it and have a successful project. It can help stimulate other development."

The Arizona Baseball and Softball Commission previously asked Valley municipalities if anyone was interested in Cactus League expansion. Goodyear answered the call, along with several others, including Avondale, Buckeye, Casa Grande and Queen Creek.

This isn't the first time Goodyear has had big-league dreams.

The idea of moving the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to Goodyear from Tempe never left the talking stage a couple of years ago.

But Goodyear voters liked the idea of big-league baseball, and the city still holds $10 million in bonding capacity to help support a spring training and recreation facility.

Rules make it difficult to lure a team from within the Cactus League, forcing Arizona cities to look to teams that now train in Florida.

It takes more than dreams and desires to get Major League teams to move to Arizona.

Some Grapefruit League teams' names keep coming up when the subject of relocation arises, including the Cleveland Indians and Baltimore Orioles, both of which trained in Arizona earlier.

Some also have pointed to the Cincinnati Reds as a team possibly looking for a new spring training facility.

"It's no secret that the Indians and Orioles here are looking for new spring training deals," said David Cardwell, executive director of the Florida Grapefruit League Association.

The Grapefruit League Association is working to find the Indians a new Florida location because the team's current complex is small and aging. The Indians' host city also has indicated that it would like to see condominiums and boutiques there.

"Cleveland is going year to year right now," said J.P. de la Montaigne, president of the Cactus League Association. "They have definitely made an impression they are looking to find a home."

The Orioles are facing funding issues but say they are happy in Sarasota, Fla., Cardwell said.

Goodyear's bid for a two-team spring training facility falls in line with the trend. The Valley's two newest stadiums in Peoria and Surprise were both created for two teams.

That arrangement means the stadium gets the maximum use during spring training with a game nearly every day. That translates into more tourism spending during the season.

SirFelixCat
01-27-2006, 04:49 AM
I'm moving there in the summer/fall. Man o man I would love that!

KronoRed
01-27-2006, 05:33 AM
Boo on that.

Only West teams should be in Arizona :)

macro
01-27-2006, 07:56 AM
I'm moving there in the summer/fall. Man o man I would love that!

It's going to be weird referring to you as "Az Reds Fans". :)

As for the move, I don't go to Spring Training, so it wouldn't affect me personally. One benefit I could see would be more spring games against teams we haven't traditionally seen much of, such as the AL West teams. Still, it's strange to think about the Reds being in Arizona.

Az. Reds Fan
01-27-2006, 10:22 AM
It's going to be weird referring to you as "Az Reds Fans".



Sorry Macro, We've already got one of those...:D

westofyou
01-27-2006, 10:25 AM
Boo on that.

Only West teams should be in Arizona :)

I'd love it, BTW Krono the Cubs trained on Catilina Island for years, so a precedent has been set.

David Cubbedge
01-27-2006, 10:27 AM
I wonder how Griffey would feel about this. He has stated that he would likely turn down a trade if it meant him going to a team that plays in AZ during the spring. Not that he can do anything about it, but I wonder if it would give him a reason to want to move on.

Heath
01-27-2006, 10:29 AM
Due to the weather, aren't all games at night?

I know its spring training and all, but flipping on the radio or TV at 9:30 most evenings isn't something I'd enjoy.

I do, however, flip on the radio at work and listen during the afternoon games for ST just to whet the appetite.

Sorry Arizonians - I prefer Florida.

macro
01-27-2006, 10:31 AM
Sorry Macro, We've already got one of those...:D

Ahh, but yours has the period, and no "s" on the end. I agree that that's going to create quite a dilemma for SC, though. :laugh:

Unassisted
01-27-2006, 10:32 AM
I wonder how Griffey would feel about this. He has stated that he would likely turn down a trade if it meant him going to a team that plays in AZ during the spring. Not that he can do anything about it, but I wonder if it would give him a reason to want to move on.It would take a couple of years to get a new site funded and built. Griffey's contract may be over by the time this gets done.

David Cubbedge
01-27-2006, 10:34 AM
It would take a couple of years to get a new site funded and built. Griffey's contract may be over by the time this gets done.


Good point Unassisted.

westofyou
01-27-2006, 10:35 AM
Due to the weather, aren't all games at night?

March in AZ is 90% great, occasionally El Nino makes it wet.

Games usually around 12:30

TeamBoone
01-27-2006, 11:42 AM
Well, it would certainly cut down on all the folks from Ohio that currently attend... and believe me, a lot go. The parking lot is filled with Ohio license plates.

I know I won't travel to AZ every year for 2 weeks to partake of spring training.... I drive to Sarasota to keep the cost of transporation down, plus I don't have to rent a car for two weeks.

Sarasota (or any other Florida coastal city) is perfect for this Ohioan in March... the Reds and the beach.

NewEraReds
01-27-2006, 11:44 AM
Due to the weather, aren't all games at night?

I know its spring training and all, but flipping on the radio or TV at 9:30 most evenings isn't something I'd enjoy.

I do, however, flip on the radio at work and listen during the afternoon games for ST just to whet the appetite.

Sorry Arizonians - I prefer Florida.
i agree thats nice, but not being rained out so much would be nice to in the spring for developement and everything ;)

jmcclain19
01-27-2006, 05:59 PM
Best. News. Ever.

jmcclain19
01-27-2006, 06:03 PM
For what it is worth, the idea that Goodyear will have 450,000 people is laughable at this point. The author paints the rosiest of rosy pictures there.

Goodyear is a dump, quite frankly.

But hey, if they want to enter the land of the big kids and build a shiny new stadium, more power too them.

Just a bit of perspective, it took the Town of Gilbert a decade to go from 20,000 to well over 100k, where it sits right now, and it has the luxury of being wedged in between two other bursting suburbs Chandler & Mesa.

Goodyear is surounded on most sides by open desert & indian reservation - which is nice, but not 450,000 people nice. Not in my lifetime anyway.

jmcclain19
01-27-2006, 06:08 PM
Here's a point of reference - the current Cactus League stadiums

http://www.cactus-league.com/grfx/map02.gif

Goodyear would be marked at the intersection of the 303 & I-10 in the corner, just above where the words Surprise Baseball Park is.

Everything south & east of that is mountains and indian Res, everything east is raw desert.

Gainesville Red
01-27-2006, 06:15 PM
I hate news like this. Sarasota's like 4 hours away from me. When they play the braves in Orlando it's like 1 1/2 hours. Keeping my fingers crossed.

alloverjr
01-27-2006, 06:46 PM
Just a bit of perspective, it took the Town of Gilbert a decade to go from 20,000 to well over 100k, where it sits right now, and it has the luxury of being wedged in between two other bursting suburbs Chandler & Mesa.

Goodyear is surounded on most sides by open desert & indian reservation - which is nice, but not 450,000 people nice. Not in my lifetime anyway.

With the median home price approaching $300k in the Valley, I wouldn't bet against it. Even with the leveling market. How far is the proposed complex from Estrella Mtn Ranch?

alloverjr
01-27-2006, 06:50 PM
Well, it would certainly cut down on all the folks from Ohio that currently attend... and believe me, a lot go. The parking lot is filled with Ohio license plates.

I know I won't travel to AZ every year for 2 weeks to partake of spring training.... I drive to Sarasota to keep the cost of transporation down, plus I don't have to rent a car for two weeks.

Sarasota (or any other Florida coastal city) is perfect for this Ohioan in March... the Reds and the beach.

Well dear, maybe no beach, but no rain either ;) . $180 round trip from either Columbus or Indy. And you're there in less than 3 1/2 hours.

TeamBoone
01-27-2006, 08:07 PM
Well dear, maybe no beach, but no rain either ;) . $180 round trip from either Columbus or Indy. And you're there in less than 3 1/2 hours.

I can take 2 or 3 others with me and not have to rent a car. What I save I put into beach-side accomodations.

Besides, I enjoy the drive.

How are you AOJ? Haven't "seen you" in a long time.

remdog
01-27-2006, 08:27 PM
It would be a good move for me personally but with so many Reds fans coming down from Ohio and other midwest cities it would seem to have to be a really good deal for the Reds from a financial standpoint. I certainly wouldn't want to alienate my fans any more than necessary right now.

BTW, when I was in Scottsdale during ST two years ago a storm came up from Baja and dropped about 2" of hail on us. In the morning, areas that were in the shade looked like they had small piles of snow.

I do like the Phoenix area "in season". A lot of great things to do besides the baseball, too.

Rem