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scuba17
02-10-2006, 11:53 AM
Looking for some objective analysis here. I am a Cubs fan, most of my friends are Reds fans. They insist that Hal was a better player. I don't agree, and I don't think its just because I am a Cubs fan. Here are some career numbers.

Grace
.303 AVG
.383 OBP
511 2B
2445 H
173 HR
1106 RBI

Morris
.304 AVG
.361 OBP
246 2B
1216 H
76 HR
513 RBI


I think Hal Morris was a fine player during his tenure w/ the Reds, but he wasn't as good as Grace and the numbers prove it. Just curious what some other Reds fans thought. Not sure of my buddies truly believe Morris was better, or if they are just messing with me.

mole44
02-10-2006, 11:56 AM
How many more at bats did grace have tho? That doesnt matter for stats like average or OBP, but the rest would surely be effected

Joseph
02-10-2006, 11:56 AM
I'd say most are probably just messing with you. Hal was a fairly productive player over a short span, but Grace was a better player for a longer period of time.

scuba17
02-10-2006, 12:05 PM
How many more at bats did grace have tho? That doesnt matter for stats like average or OBP, but the rest would surely be effected

I'll check it out, but wouldnt that just be another factor in Grace's favor? Wouldn't it show that he was more productive for a longer period of time?

flyer85
02-10-2006, 12:10 PM
Hal Morris was far superior to Mark Grace. :thumbup:

Have a nice day.

dfs
02-10-2006, 01:05 PM
In terms of career value, the edge goes to Grace.

I count seven seasons in which I could call Morris a productive major league regular. Grace has 12 or 13.

Grace was a regular at at a younger age. Grace stayed in the league longer. Although there could be other explanations, both of those traits point that he was likely the better player.

Adjust for league and park and baseball-reference has Grace's peak is a bit higher, but frankly you would have to get out a microscope to tell the difference.

I don't know that I would want either of them as my firstbaseman for more than a couple of years. Their results are very comparable to Sean Casey's, but with his injury history it's almost impossible to get a bead on what he could be/is other than another first baseman that I wouldn't want for more than a couple of years.

HalMorrisRules
02-10-2006, 01:40 PM
Hmmm...that's a tough choice. But I think I will go with Hal. :D

BuckU
02-10-2006, 01:43 PM
Hal won a championship...

'nuff said

KronoRed
02-10-2006, 01:45 PM
Hal won a championship...

'nuff said
So did Trent Dilfer ;)

top6
02-10-2006, 01:49 PM
So did Trent Dilfer ;)

So did Mark Grace.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2001.shtml

cumberlandreds
02-10-2006, 01:52 PM
Hal won a championship...

'nuff said

Grace did too. Although it was as an Arizona Diamondback and not a Cubbie.

westofyou
02-10-2006, 02:22 PM
Vs the league

AVG SLG OBA OPS RC/G
.037 .029 .047 .076 1.33 Grace
.036 .019 .024 .043 0.61 Hal

Grace had 8000 ab's and Hal 4000, Morris even got in the bigs a year younger.

mole44
02-10-2006, 03:40 PM
So did Trent Dilfer ;)

Don't be hatin on TD ;)

Cyclone792
02-10-2006, 03:51 PM
Don't be hatin on TD ;)

Pick your poison: Trent Dilfer or Doug Pederson :evil:

Strikes Out Looking
02-10-2006, 03:54 PM
Grace was a Cub. Hal, therefore, was much better.

BuckU
02-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Grace did too. Although it was as an Arizona Diamondback and not a Cubbie.

D'oh......

Didn't think that one through. That's what I get for hardly posting this offseason. My apologies.

kheidg-
02-11-2006, 02:45 AM
You guys are stupid. Obviously, Mark Grace > Hal Morris. It is a no brainer.

alex trevino
02-11-2006, 12:07 PM
Though I hate to defend a Cubs fan...Is this even a serious question? Hal Morris is closer to larry Biitner than Mark Grace.

Hondo
02-11-2006, 12:58 PM
Hal Morris...I was and still am a Big fan...I am just sorry he had to play for David Glass and the Royals for a couple years...

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