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M2
02-10-2006, 02:12 PM
... what should he be asking in return?

It probably won't happen until the weather heats up, but the Twins are going to need an OF with some power and if anyone can convince that organization to pull the cork out of its backside it should be Krivsky.

Anyway, my suggestion is Glen Perkins and Adam Harben.

Krusty
02-10-2006, 02:15 PM
... what should he be asking in return?

It probably won't happen until the weather heats up, but the Twins are going to need an OF with some power and if anyone can convince that organization to pull the cork out of its backside it should be Krivsky.

Anyway, my suggestion is Glen Perkins and Adam Harben.

RHP Scott Baker

M2
02-10-2006, 02:18 PM
RHP Scott Baker

I'm down on Baker. He's a FB pitcher whose probably going to have some HR issues. To be fair though, that sentence could also be used to describe Brad Radke.

rdiersin
02-10-2006, 02:26 PM
I like your idea there M2, I don't know if I can come up with too much better. One I wouldn't be upset about would be Durbin(and put him in the pen) and Perkins.

I would rather see possibly Itzuris and Ruggliano (maybe if it can be swung a pitcher too) from the Dodgers.

KronoRed
02-10-2006, 02:33 PM
Ask them to take Pena instead

lollipopcurve
02-10-2006, 02:56 PM
Baker

Benihana
02-10-2006, 03:26 PM
Francisco Liriano

Red Leader
02-10-2006, 03:28 PM
I think Perkins and Harben would be a great return for Kearns. I was hoping to find a good catching prospect in their system (blocked by Mauer), but didn't see one that would be a dealbreaker if I didn't get them.

Johnny Footstool
02-10-2006, 03:29 PM
Could someone please post a link to some stats for these prospects?

rdiersin
02-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Could someone please post a link to some stats for these prospects?

Here's a link to Sickels prospect list for them.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/2/6/13152/66115

Stats
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/Stats/showorg.php?team1=534&team2=538&team3=509&team4=554&team5=576&team6=474&org=Twins

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/adam-harben.shtml

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/glen-perkins.shtml

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/jd-durbin.shtml

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/scott-baker-1.shtml



Perkins
Team Name Age Level ERA IP h9 hr9 w9 k9 whip
U. of Minnesota 20 NCAA 2.91 105.1 8.54 0.43 1.97 10 1.17
U. of Minnesota 21 NCAA 2.83 111.1 7.19 0.49 1.7 9.13 0.99
Elizabethton 21 Rk 2.25 12 6 0 3 16.5 1
Quad Cities 21 A 1.3 48.1 6.14 0.37 2.23 9.12 0.93
Fort Myers 22 A 2.13 55 6.71 0.33 2.13 10.8 0.98
New Britain 22 AA 4.9 79 9.11 0.46 3.99 7.63 1.46


Harben
Team Name Age Level ERA IP h9 hr9 w9 k9 whip
GCL Twins 18 Rk 3.2 25.1 9.59 0 2.84 9.59 1.38
Quad City 19 A 4.33 87.1 9.38 0.52 3.61 7.94 1.44
Quad Cities 20 A 3.09 142.2 7.19 0.32 4.29 10.79 1.28
Fort Myers 22 A 2.66 135.1 6.78 0.4 4.12 7.91 1.21



J. D. Durbin
Team Name Age Level ERA IP h9 hr9 w9 k9 whip
GCL Twins 18 Rk 0 2 9 0 0 18 1
Quad City 20 A 3.19 161 8.05 0.78 2.85 9.11 1.21
Fort Myers 21 A 3.09 87.1 7.52 0.31 2.27 7.11 1.09
New Britain 21 AA 3.14 94.2 9.7 0.95 2.76 6.65 1.38
New Britain 22 AA 2.52 64.1 8.67 0.56 3.08 7.41 1.31
Rochester 22 AAA 4.54 35.2 12.36 1.01 4.04 9.59 1.82
Minnesota Twins 22 MLB 7.36 7.1 14.73 0 7.36 7.36 2.45
Rochester 23 AAA 4.33 104 8.39 0.69 4.41 7.79 1.42


Scott Baker
Team Name Age Level ERA IP h9 hr9 w9 k9 whip
Oklahoma State 19 NCAA 4.08 53 7.98 0.68 3.4 6.79 1.26
Oklahoma State 20 NCAA 4.26 76 8.88 0 2.72 5.57 1.29
Oklahoma State 21 NCAA 3.79 111.2 9.43 0.73 2.34 7.82 1.31
Quad City 21 A 2.49 50.2 7.99 0.71 1.42 8.35 1.05
Fort Myers 22 A 2.4 45 8 0.2 1.2 7.4 1.02
New Britain 22 AA 2.43 70.1 5.63 0.26 1.66 9.21 0.81
Rochester 22 AAA 4.97 54.1 10.77 0.5 2.48 5.96 1.47
Rochester 24 AAA 3.01 134.2 8.22 1 1.74 7.15 1.11
Minnesota Twins 24 MLB 3.35 53.2 8.05 0.84 2.35 5.37 1.16

WVRed
02-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Francisco Liriano

I dont think Krivsky is dumb enough to ask for quite possibly the top pitching prospect in baseball for an OF that is struggling to make the show. Dan O'Brien might, but Krivsky, no.

I agree with M2, any deal should start with Glen Perkins. Maybe even Scott Baker, or both.

IslandRed
02-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Here's a link to Sickels prospect list for them.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/2/6/13152/66115


I knew of the top few guys, but man, that organizational pitching depth is just sick. If Krivsky can do that sort of thing here, I will be a happy, happy guy.

rdiersin
02-10-2006, 05:09 PM
I knew of the top few guys, but man, that organizational pitching depth is just sick. If Krivsky can do that sort of thing here, I will be a happy, happy guy.

Yea, that 2004 draft where they got Perkins, Waldrop, Rainville, and Swarzak, not to mention SS Trevor Plouffe, is a pretty good draft. I think they drafted Eduardo Morlan in that draft as well. It nice to know what to do with compensation picks.

RedsManRick
02-10-2006, 06:31 PM
I believe Bonser was brought up by either somebody here (me?) or the media previously.

RedsBaron
02-10-2006, 07:43 PM
I'm down on Baker. He's a FB pitcher whose probably going to have some HR issues. To be fair though, that sentence could also be used to describe Brad Radke.
I am not very well informed on minor leaguers in general, but the stats (if I'm reading them correctly) posted above indicate that Baker had the least impressive strikeout rate per nine innings of any of the pitchers listed. I'd prefer some pitchers who have high K rates.

MartyFan
02-10-2006, 10:55 PM
I dont think Krivsky is dumb enough to ask for quite possibly the top pitching prospect in baseball for an OF that is struggling to make the show. Dan O'Brien might, but Krivsky, no.

I agree with M2, any deal should start with Glen Perkins. Maybe even Scott Baker, or both.

Unless the OF he trades is Junior or Dunn.

WVRed
02-11-2006, 03:51 PM
Unless the OF he trades is Junior or Dunn.

Dunn would probably work, Junior I dont think would(10/5 rights included).

If we could get Junior to play in Minnesota, I wouldnt mind trading him for Torii Hunter if we could re-sign him.

cincyinco
02-11-2006, 03:54 PM
Swarzak Swarzak Swarzak.. and Perkins..

Harben or Slowley or Morlan are all pretty good, but I'd shoot for the moon.

Redmachine2003
02-11-2006, 06:30 PM
This rumor is floating around againg. On the MLB forum this was on it today.

"This trade is in the works and could happen soon,Ned and Reds have been talking alot and Ned fills they need a Outfield and they would like to clean their hands of Perez.The reds said they would do this trade if they take Milton.First trade was going to be Houlton and Choi for Pena and your new GM said they would trade Pena to the Dodgers if they take Milton the Dodgers then said if they take Milton then the Reds need to take O.Perez to make the Money work.

O.Perez has 2year left at 18mil
Milton 2 year left a 17mil

Pena make 1.5mil
Choi make .750

This is a great trade for both teams hope it happen
I thinkMilton will be okay but Wily Mo Pena will make up the bad tease of Milton.O.Perez will be great and Choi should do fine alot like Pena but plays 1st and has a better K's to balls then Pena about the same power."

Ron Madden
02-11-2006, 06:42 PM
This rumor is floating around againg. On the MLB forum this was on it today.

"This trade is in the works and could happen soon,Ned and Reds have been talking alot and Ned fills they need a Outfield and they would like to clean their hands of Perez.The reds said they would do this trade if they take Milton.First trade was going to be Houlton and Choi for Pena and your new GM said they would trade Pena to the Dodgers if they take Milton the Dodgers then said if they take Milton then the Reds need to take O.Perez to make the Money work.

O.Perez has 2year left at 18mil
Milton 2 year left a 17mil

Pena make 1.5mil
Choi make .750

This is a great trade for both teams hope it happen
I thinkMilton will be okay but Wily Mo Pena will make up the bad tease of Milton.O.Perez will be great and Choi should do fine alot like Pena but plays 1st and has a better K's to balls then Pena about the same power."

Choi and Pena have about the same power? :confused:

Gainesville Red
02-11-2006, 07:02 PM
Choi and Pena have about the same power? :confused:

Yeah, that's crazy talk.

DoogMinAmo
02-11-2006, 07:05 PM
With Krivsky's value of defense, it would seem he would get rid of WMP before Kearns.

I would take Odalis Perez and Choi for Milton and WMP, but would ideally want another prospect, considering how far from grace Choi is rumored to have fallen.

A season or two in the GABP would return Choi to a hot commodity, and make for great trade bait if Votto heats up again.

Redmachine2003
02-11-2006, 07:12 PM
Maybe Choi Drives the same type of car as Pena, that is the only way I can see them having the same power.

cincyinco
02-11-2006, 07:16 PM
With Krivsky's value of defense, it would seem he would get rid of WMP before Kearns.

I would take Odalis Perez and Choi for Milton and WMP, but would ideally want another prospect, considering how far from grace Choi is rumored to have fallen.

A season or two in the GABP would return Choi to a hot commodity, and make for great trade bait if Votto heats up again.

I would agree. This isn't a terrible trade, but I would hope we could squeeze a bit more out of WMP upside in the form of a prospect...

Say Chuck Tiffany.. wait a minute.. doh!

Ravenlord
02-11-2006, 07:19 PM
if memory serves, Choi and Pena have very similar IsoP and/or SLG numbers. though i don't think anyone has ever legitimately claimed they thought Choi could be an annual 40-homer guy. i really like the rumored deal Redmachine found and would do it myself...i hope there's some truth to it.

IslandRed
02-11-2006, 08:22 PM
In the original rumor, RHP D.J. Houlton was coming to Cincy along with Choi in return for Pena. Then Milton and Perez were added, with no mention of Houlton being subtracted. So it would be Perez + Choi + Houlton for Pena + Milton.

Not sure how I feel about that, attractive as it would be to dump Milton.

red-in-la
02-11-2006, 08:34 PM
Please don't bring Choi here....please. For about 7 weeks he was a worse automatic out than Aaron Harang at the plate. Choi is purely a mistake hitter. Unless you put a ball right in his wheelhouse, he can't hit with an ironing board.

gm
02-11-2006, 08:38 PM
Choi @ 1b could have Red's fans pining for Casey...nah

The deal makes sense 'cause WK craves the leather; and Krusty's been trying to get OPerez for years

Krusty
02-11-2006, 11:29 PM
Choi @ 1b could have Red's fans pining for Casey...nah

The deal makes sense 'cause WK craves the leather; and Krusty's been trying to get OPerez for years

Let me get this straight:
Eric Milton and Willy Mo Pena for lst basman Hee Seep Choi, LHP Odalis Perez and RHP D.J. Houlton?

Where do we sign to finalize this? No way will Perez be as bad as Milton pitching in GAB. Houlton gives us another arm to use in the starting rotation or long relief. Choi can't hit lefthanders to save his life but if the guy gets 500 abs, he will be able to hit 30+ home runs in GAB.

Scrap Irony
02-11-2006, 11:37 PM
This deal would put Dunn back in his desired LF, at least some of the time. Too, Choi as a platoon partner with Denorfia look promising, esecially considering how well Choi has hit at the GAB over his career. Putting Choi in the GAB adds some numbers, as well.

Choi is intriguing, IMO, and a good second player in a possible deal for Perez. I like it, Wayne-O. Do the deal.

Krusty
02-11-2006, 11:39 PM
This deal would put Dunn back in his desired LF, at least some of the time. Too, Choi as a platoon partner with Denorfia look promising, esecially considering how well Choi has hit at the GAB over his career. Putting Choi in the GAB adds some numbers, as well.

Choi is intriguing, IMO, and a good second player in a possible deal for Perez. I like it, Wayne-O. Do the deal.

Most likely you would see Rich Aurilia platoon with Choi at lst base.

DoogMinAmo
02-11-2006, 11:43 PM
In the original rumor, RHP D.J. Houlton was coming to Cincy along with Choi in return for Pena. Then Milton and Perez were added, with no mention of Houlton being subtracted. So it would be Perez + Choi + Houlton for Pena + Milton.

Not sure how I feel about that, attractive as it would be to dump Milton.

The way I understood it, in order to dump Milton, the Reds would have to take Perez, and would not get Houlton. If they get them both, I am definitely for the deal.

cincyinco
02-11-2006, 11:50 PM
The way I understood it, in order to dump Milton, the Reds would have to take Perez, and would not get Houlton. If they get them both, I am definitely for the deal.

Meh, I would hope we could do a little better than Houlton in any case...

Jpup
02-11-2006, 11:52 PM
why in the world should the Reds trade Pena for Choi?

KronoRed
02-11-2006, 11:54 PM
why in the world should the Reds trade Pena for Choi?
Normally we wouldn't want to, but to get Perez and be free of the Milton..I'd do the deal.

cincyinco
02-11-2006, 11:54 PM
why in the world should the Reds trade Pena for Choi?

Simply to get rid of Milton. Which, given last year's performance, can only be described as... a good thing. :thumbup:

Scrap Irony
02-12-2006, 12:01 AM
Houlton's not much. I'd figure him as window dressing and certainly nothing to get excited over. If it's Houlton and Choi for WMP, no thanks. If it's Milton and Pena for Choi and Perez, sign me up. Houlton, as an add-on, is bonus.

Krusty,

Aurillia and Choi platoon at 1B? No chance. Dunn at 1B when a southpaw starts. Denorfia or Freel gets the start in LF. Aurillia might play 2B.

My WAG is that Aurillia plays less than 10 games this year at 1B. In fact, I'm willing to bet my portion of FCB's first-born child on it.

Any takers?

KronoRed
02-12-2006, 12:03 AM
Nope.

Aurilia at 1st was just Dan O (or was it Narron?) covering the obvious fact that Aurilia is going to be hanging out at 3rd and taking at bats from EE.

Krusty
02-12-2006, 10:14 AM
Is there an URL to this trade rumor?

M2
02-12-2006, 11:39 AM
Perez and Choi for Milton and Pena would have me doing cartwheels.

OnBaseMachine
02-12-2006, 11:55 AM
Perez and Choi for Milton and Pena would have me doing cartwheels.

Same here.

Perez would give us a third respectable starter and Choi could breakout in the GAB. Check out Hee Seop's career stats in the Great American Ballpark, albeit part of it is due to horrible pitching.

.355/.487/.839-1.326 OPS in 39 plate appearances

4 HR/31 AB

Reds Nd2
02-12-2006, 12:10 PM
Career averages


AVG OBP SLG ISoP ISoD
Choi .240 .349 .437 .197 .109
Peņa .248 .303 .477 .229 .055

Similar power considering the ballparks Choi has played half his games in the past couple of seasons and he gets the nod for avoiding outs. I'd like to see what he could do at GABP. For some reason, ESPN doesn't list stadium splits for GABP.

The one thing that does give me some pause about Choi, his BB/PA totals fell off rather drastically last season. I'm curious as to why that happened considering his P/PA remained similar to his career norms and actually increased a bit from the previous season.

Reds Nd2
02-12-2006, 12:15 PM
Check out Hee Seop's career stats in the Great American Ballpark, albeit part of it is due to horrible pitching.

.355/.487/.839-1.326 OPS in 39 plate appearances

4 HR/31 AB

Thanks for posting the splits for Great American.

gm
02-12-2006, 06:36 PM
The Hatteberg acquisition would seem to make this hypothetical deal less likely...

Wondering...will the Reds ever have a backup 1st baseman who bats RH?

(Aurilia and Valentin don't count...I had hopes for Stratton, 11 months ago)

MWM
02-12-2006, 06:40 PM
Any deal that gets Milton off the books without giving up Adam Dunn is a no-brainer, IMO.

Krusty
02-12-2006, 08:21 PM
The Hatteberg acquisition would seem to make this hypothetical deal less likely...

Wondering...will the Reds ever have a backup 1st baseman who bats RH?

(Aurilia and Valentin don't count...I had hopes for Stratton, 11 months ago)

Maybe not. You trade an everyday outfielder for pitching, you would think you would get either an outfielder or lst baseman in return.

Which makes a Choi/Perez for Pena/Milton deal intriguing.

Ron Madden
02-13-2006, 01:39 AM
if memory serves, Choi and Pena have very similar IsoP and/or SLG numbers. though i don't think anyone has ever legitimately claimed they thought Choi could be an annual 40-homer guy. i really like the rumored deal Redmachine found and would do it myself...i hope there's some truth to it.

I didn't think Pena and Choi's power numbers were that close. Sorry... I should've checked it out before making a dumb post.

pedro
02-13-2006, 02:11 AM
as for Choi, ironically he did much better at home in Dodger stadium (879 OPS) than he did on the road (705 OPS).

I still think he could become a really good player.

KearnsyEars
02-13-2006, 07:55 AM
kearns will stay a red.

Red Leader
02-13-2006, 09:30 AM
I'd be willing to do the Pena / Milton for Odalis Perez and Choi trade, but it'd be nice if we had a 3rd team involved that would take Choi from us and give us a solid catching, starting pitching, or middle infield prospect in return for him. That would make it a great trade. I think Choi has some potential, but I don't think he is what he's been hyped up to be. Move him on in another deal if possible and help the farm.

One thing about prospects, I hope Krivsky comes with a new approach. I want the Reds to get quality prospects, and not worry about quantity. Germano and Chick? Nah. Give me 1 guy with a much higher ceiling, not two maybe's. I think that's what we're going to see from Krivsky, and I'm excited to see his first deal because of it.

registerthis
02-13-2006, 10:19 AM
Any trade that shows Milton, his 45 HRs and $8 million salary the door gets a great big :thumbup: from me. Addition by subtraction, my friends.

wheels
02-13-2006, 10:46 AM
Methinks there's more to this than just rumor.

KronoRed
02-13-2006, 11:22 AM
Methinks there's more to this than just rumor.
Hope so.

Milton to the Dodgers would make me run screaming in glee, with their new mentality they would be the sort of team that would take Milton because "he's a solid vet"