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dougdirt
02-10-2006, 04:45 PM
The Reds have claimed left-hander Michael Gosling off waivers from Arizona and designated Luke Hudson for assignment.

Gosling, 25, is a former second-round pick out of Stanford. He saw some time in the majors with the Diamondbacks each of the last two seasons, with a combined 1-4 record and 4.53 ERA in 19 big-league appearances, nine of them starts. A little unsettling: he managed to walk 32 while striking out only 28 in those stints.

Hudson went 6-9 with a 6.38 ERA in 19 games, 16 of them starts, for the Reds last season.
From Marc's blog.

Matt700wlw
02-10-2006, 04:46 PM
REDS ACQUIRE PITCHER MICHAEL GOSLING

Lefthander Claimed Off Waivers From Arizona

CINCINNATI - The Cincinnati Reds today acquired LHP Michael Gosling off waivers from the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Gosling had spent his entire professional career in the Diamondbacks organization. He was selected by Arizona in the second round of the 2001 first-year player draft. At Class AA El Paso in 2002, his first professional season, he led the Texas League in victories (14) and ranked third in ERA (3.13).

Gosling, 25, recovered from September 2003 shoulder surgery to make his Major League debut in 2004. He split last season between Class AAA Tucson and Arizona, going a combined 4-9 with a 5.56 ERA in 30 games (22 starts).

To make room on the 40-man roster, the Reds designated for assignment RHP Luke Hudson. The team has 10 days to trade, release or outright Hudson, who went 6-9 with a 6.38 ERA in 19 games (16 starts) for the Reds last season.

(official release)

Joseph
02-10-2006, 04:46 PM
Nice work, I guess.

beb30
02-10-2006, 04:49 PM
I liked hudson, but maybe this gosling guy being younger and now having more potential than hudson will be a better fit

dougdirt
02-10-2006, 04:50 PM
Well, I guess it all comes down to Hudson being claimed or not....time will tell.

JinAZ
02-10-2006, 04:52 PM
I posted this on Marc's site (though here it's slightly corrected):

Folks may remember that Gosling faced off against Eric Milton (and won) in one of Milton's best starts of the year here in Arizona. Milton went the first ~6 innings pitching scoreless baseball, but then allowed a Tony Clark HR. D-Backs won 2-0.

The Reds couldn't do anything against this kid that time around. Didn't help that Milton failed to advance the runner in a bunt situation twice of course. :)

Might turn out to be a decent pickup(?). That said, his minor league numbers have not been good since AA in '02, although he did strike out 7k/9 in AAA last year. In MLB, he's walked 4 more than he has struck out in 57 innings. Eek.
-JinAZ

M2
02-10-2006, 04:55 PM
I'm for anything that DFAs Luke Hudson.

lollipopcurve
02-10-2006, 04:55 PM
Good numbers against lefties in 04 and 05.

westofyou
02-10-2006, 04:57 PM
Hudson went 6-9 with a 6.38 ERA in 19 games, 16 of them starts, for the Reds last season.

Luke's season last year was the 22nd worst era for a guy with less than 85 IP and 15-20 starts in all of baseball history.

Take a gander at #8


SEASON

GAMES STARTED BETWEEN 15 AND 20
INNINGS PITCHED < 85

ERA YEAR ERA GS IP
1 Mark Clark 1999 8.60 15 74.1
2 Hideo Nomo 2004 8.25 18 84
3 Chad Durbin 2000 8.21 16 72.1
4 Ed Holley 1934 8.12 17 82
5 Cal Eldred 1999 7.79 15 82
6 Scott Aldred 1997 7.68 15 77.1
7 Edwin Correa 1987 7.59 15 70
8 Jim Beattie 1985 7.29 15 70.1
9 Ken Hill 2000 7.16 17 81.2
10 Aaron Myette 2001 7.14 15 80.2
11 Dave Otto 1992 7.06 16 80.1
12 Pat Hentgen 2004 6.95 16 80.1
13 Ken Kravec 1980 6.94 15 81.2
14 Jim Abbott 1999 6.91 15 82
15 Dave Stewart 1995 6.89 16 81
16 Mike Lincoln 1999 6.84 15 76.1
17 Bill Parsons 1973 6.75 17 60
18 Mike Morgan 1994 6.69 15 80.2
19 C.J. Nitkowski 1995 6.66 18 71.2
20 Paul Byrd 2000 6.51 15 83
21 Dave Boswell 1970 6.39 15 69
22 Luke Hudson 2005 6.38 16 84.2
23 Len Barker 1985 6.35 18 73.2
24 Brian Powell 1998 6.35 16 83.2
25 J.P. Howell 2005 6.19 15 72.2

savafan
02-10-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm for anything that DFAs Luke Hudson.

:thumbup:

New blood in the offices, new blood on the field. Can't complain.

RedsManRick
02-10-2006, 04:58 PM
I'm not seeing anything here that makes me happy Hudson was DFA'd....

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/mike-gosling.shtml

Red Leader
02-10-2006, 05:03 PM
Luke's season last year was the 22nd worst era for a guy with less than 85 IP and 15-20 starts in all of baseball history.

Take a gander at #8



Ironically enough, I wonder if it was Beattie's special advisement that Luke was not a pitcher we should hold onto, or that we could "afford to take a risk on?"

M2
02-10-2006, 05:04 PM
I'm not seeing anything here that makes me happy Hudson was DFA'd....

It's a reward unto itself.

wolfboy
02-10-2006, 05:07 PM
I don't have much of a problem with this move. At least the organization has finally realized what they have with Luke Hudson.......not much. One question I have on Gosling...........how did he get called up with Arizona twice? His numbers in AAA in 2004 and 2005 were pretty bad.

Chip R
02-10-2006, 05:10 PM
It's a reward unto itself.

Jason LaRue and Javy Valentin are in the process of building shrines to Krivsky right about now.

flyer85
02-10-2006, 05:11 PM
one advantage over Hudson is that he is more of a groundball pitcher.

50% 2006 PECOTA forecast
Hudson -2.2 VORP
Gosling -0.8 VORP


60% 2006 PECOTA forecast
Hudson 1.8 VORP
Gosling 4.0 VORP

traderumor
02-10-2006, 05:28 PM
Luke's season last year was the 22nd worst era for a guy with less than 85 IP and 15-20 starts in all of baseball history.

Take a gander at #8


SEASON

GAMES STARTED BETWEEN 15 AND 20
INNINGS PITCHED < 85

ERA YEAR ERA GS IP

19 C.J. Nitkowski 1995 6.66 18 71.2


Heard CJ talk yesterday about trying to make the Pirates. The dude had a great radio voice. He should consider a career change.

TeamBoone
02-10-2006, 05:54 PM
Wow. I'm actually surprised at the board reaction to Hudson being DFA'd. I got the impression that most thought he has a lot of potential, especially now that VR is the pitching coach.

westofyou
02-10-2006, 05:59 PM
I got the impression that most thought he has a lot of potential, especially now that VR is the pitching coach.

Guys like Luke who are about to turn 29 don't have usually fall into the potential catagory.

Unless it's potential ex-player.

Ravenlord
02-10-2006, 06:01 PM
like i said in the other thread, this hsould have happened in October to make room for one of those young lefties the Dodgers DFA'd.

NC Reds
02-10-2006, 06:05 PM
I wouldn't miss Hudson. I had given up on his potential. I am surprised that other 40 man roster fodder was not dispatched first.

Aronchis
02-10-2006, 06:16 PM
Nice seeing Hudson's shoulder hold up for full power in 2004. Though he had little control, he was popping 95mph fastballs with a decent curve. Though his shoulder was weaker in 2005 and it showed with decreased velocity. Time to retire.

Gallen5862
02-10-2006, 07:54 PM
I do like the move to pick up Gosling. I do hope that Hudson clears waivers so that we can assign him to AAA.

REDREAD
02-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Nice to see Krivisty trying some new arms, as opposed to sticking with the same old proven failures.

Too bad we didn't flip Hudson for Penny when we had the chance 3 years ago (Thanks John Allen). (there was also another marginal Red involved).

bunter
02-10-2006, 10:03 PM
I do like the move to pick up Gosling. I do hope that Hudson clears waivers so that we can assign him to AAA.

I think Hudson's probably viewed as damaged goods after last year. Truth be told, the organization probably misused the guy and hurt his career by making him a starter. I never could understand why you take a hard thrower that's demonstrated he is susceptible to injury and send him out to throw a hundred pitches every five days. Perhaps if they had groomed him as a set up guy he might have held up physically and been able to contribute when he got to the matters. I always liked Hudson and no matter what happens I wish him luck.

Red Heeler
02-10-2006, 10:30 PM
I think Hudson's probably viewed as damaged goods after last year. Truth be told, the organization probably misused the guy and hurt his career by making him a starter. I never could understand why you take a hard thrower that's demonstrated he is susceptible to injury and send him out to throw a hundred pitches every five days. Perhaps if they had groomed him as a set up guy he might have held up physically and been able to contribute when he got to the matters. I always liked Hudson and no matter what happens I wish him luck.

IIRC, Hudson said that he could not get loose in the amount of time required for a reliever.

Hudson's problem was that he had a lazer straight fastball. Unfortunately, he had the control of a Pink Floyd light show.

buckshotrod
02-10-2006, 11:09 PM
I like the move as Gosling is young and if you look at the Baseball cube site, I think he may have been rushed to the majors. If memory serves me correctly Arizona started a bunch of guys that year (12) now that I looked it up. Don't remember if there were injuries or what. Maybe with some work this spring the kid can be the prospect talked about. Never know could be a sleeper.....also hope Hudson clears for a chance in the spring..one last shot.

MartyFan
02-11-2006, 12:08 AM
Heard CJ talk yesterday about trying to make the Pirates. The dude had a great radio voice. He should consider a career change.


I agree...he is also a very nice guy...one of the nicest I ever met from rubbing elbows with baseball guys here and there.

Gallen5862
02-11-2006, 12:40 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
Toronto Bluejays Designated pitcher Brian Tallet for assignment. He is a left hander. Does anyone know anything about him? Is he worth adding to the 40 man roster?

Gallen5862
02-11-2006, 12:59 AM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/content/printer_friendly/cin/y2006/m02/d10/c1309836.jsp
Reds claim lefty Gosling off waivers
02/10/2006 8:45 PM ET
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- In a roster move announced on Friday, the Reds claimed left-handed pitcher Michael Gosling off waivers from the Diamondbacks.
Gosling, a second-round pick for Arizona in 2001, went a combined 4-9 with a 5.56 ERA in 30 games, including 22 starts, with the Diamondbacks and Triple-A Tucson last season. After recovering from 2003 shoulder surgery, he made his big-league debut in 2004.

While scouting National League clubs as Twins assistant general manager, new Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky liked what he saw from Gossling. Since he was on the waiver wire, Krivsky decided to put in a claim.

"He is somebody that could compete for a spot in the rotation in Spring Training," Krivsky said. "He'll go into the mix and [Reds manager] Jerry [Narron] and [pitching coach] Vern [Ruhle] can run him out there. Let the best man win in competition."

To make room for Gosling on the 40-man roster, Cincinnati designated right-handed pitcher Luke Hudson for assignment. The Reds have 10 days to trade, release or outright Hudson, who went 6-9 with a 6.38 ERA in 19 games (16 starts) last season.

If he clears waivers, Hudson will likely be invited to the Reds' big-league camp at Spring Training as a non-roster player.

Meetings complete: Krivsky said on Friday night that he's completed one-on-one meetings with his front-office staff and has gotten up to speed. On Thursday, he dismissed baseball operations director Brad Kullman, but he did not indicate if more staff reshuffling was ahead.

"I've been impressed with the quality of people in the front office," Krivsky said.

Krivsky, who was named GM on Wednesday, will remain in Cincinnati until Sunday. He will briefly return to his Texas home before heading to Spring Training in Sarasota.

This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Slyder
02-11-2006, 02:44 AM
Why do any of these moves not involve Bong being taken off the 40 man roster? Isnt he still hurt and long road to recover over some of these guys that are able to pitch (arguably)?

Note I dont mind Hudson or Hancock being DFAd just think that you should start at the very bottom with the guy whos hurt Bong before you work your way up.

M2
02-11-2006, 10:42 AM
The real funny thing about this move is that 16 months ago we actually had people insisting that Luke Hudson would be the team ace and that it counted as good news.

wolfboy
02-12-2006, 11:58 PM
The real funny thing about this move is that 16 months ago we actually had people insisting that Luke Hudson would be the team ace and that it counted as good news.

The same was true for Jose Acevedo at the end of the 2003 season. There haven't been many places to store hope around here for a while.

Caveat Emperor
02-13-2006, 03:47 AM
The real funny thing about this move is that 16 months ago we actually had people insisting that Luke Hudson would be the team ace and that it counted as good news.

This Reds team has been so starved for hard-throwers that anyone that with even a little bit of "light the gun up" in them finds a soft spot in many hearts.

Like many, I was a big Hudson supporter -- hoping he was just working the kinks out as he came back from arm trouble. But, at this point, he's too old and too consistently erratic to be considered anything other than another footnote in Reds history.

Besides, although Gosling may have taken Hudson's roster spot, Hudson's special place in Reds fans hearts (irrational love of a hard-throwing righty with middling numbers) has already been taken by Matt Belisle.

Aronchis
02-13-2006, 03:51 AM
The funny thing about Acevedo and Hudson was the velocity losses. When we were talking about "ace" type material, we were talking about Hudson's 95mph fastball and Acevedo's 92-94mph ball he threw in 2003 before "tripping himself".

When they came back the next year, their arms were dead. Hudson is understandable and expected by the rational fan(which aren't many lol) but Acevedo was a letdown. Even "smart" fans were hopefull for him. He simply lost his arm and bang, he is dead. Another strange relic from the Bowden era.

redskirtsrgood
02-13-2006, 05:52 AM
Here's the deal....Luke got screwed..yeah his numbers were bad last year but they called him up way to fast out of rehab. The reds were struggling and gave him one start in AA (another great Dan O move) before calling him up. He has or had top of the line big league stuff as we saw in 04' on a consistent basis. But if you are going to get rid of him, Gosling isn't even close to worth it

M2
02-13-2006, 09:49 AM
He has or had top of the line big league stuff as we saw in 04' on a consistent basis.

I didn't see that in 2004. I saw a guy who was going to get hammered and good once started squeezing him.

redskirtsrgood
02-13-2006, 01:55 PM
Here is waht I saw in 2004 with a healthy arm
4 2 9 9 0 0 0 0 48.3 36 16 13 3 25 38 2 5 204 1 0 2.42 4.01 166 1.262

redskirtsrgood
02-13-2006, 01:56 PM
4W- 2L with a 2.42

M2
02-13-2006, 02:44 PM
I saw a guy with a 4.66 BB/9 throwing 17 pitches an inning, benefitting wildly from a lucky .250 BABIP and armed with straight fastball that was going to get hammered sooner rather than later.

Red Leader
02-13-2006, 02:48 PM
I saw a guy with a 4.66 BB/9 throwing 17 pitches an inning, benefitting wildly from a lucky .250 BABIP and armed with straight fastball that was going to get hammered sooner rather than later.


What was his name? :p:

M2
02-13-2006, 02:48 PM
What was his name? :p:

Extinction.

Red Leader
02-13-2006, 02:53 PM
Extinction.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Caveat Emperor
02-13-2006, 03:05 PM
What was his name? :p:

"False Hope"

Doc. Scott
02-13-2006, 04:09 PM
IIRC, Hudson said that he could not get loose in the amount of time required for a reliever.

Hudson's problem was that he had a lazer straight fastball. Unfortunately, he had the control of a Pink Floyd light show.

Well, not to be all General Merc about this, but if Hudson's arm is going to fall off, it's going to fall off. He can't start and relieving is about the only other thing he could possibly do. So get loose or get a job as far as I'm concerned.

redskirtsrgood
02-15-2006, 03:04 AM
Or keep your job so you can keep paying for his:) :) :)