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Hubba
02-12-2006, 11:36 AM
Poorer Richard (http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spken12x4624608feb12,0,2600909.column?coll=ny-sports-print)
February 12
Newsday (scroll down): "Richard Hidalgo, off a profoundly disappointing 2005 with the Texas Rangers (rumor is I might have picked him as the American League MVP), is still looking for work, with the Orioles, Red Sox and Reds most interested."
Don't know if has been posted yet, but thoughts please?

corkedbat
02-12-2006, 11:48 AM
Poorer Richard (http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spken12x4624608feb12,0,2600909.column?coll=ny-sports-print)
February 12
Newsday (scroll down): "Richard Hidalgo, off a profoundly disappointing 2005 with the Texas Rangers (rumor is I might have picked him as the American League MVP), is still looking for work, with the Orioles, Red Sox and Reds most interested."
Don't know if has been posted yet, but thoughts please?

Might make sense if there is a deal in the works for pitching with one of the big four and Hidalgo can be had for a decent number. If the Sox and/or O's want him very bad though the number probably won't be that decent.

Mario-Rijo
02-12-2006, 11:51 AM
Would make a nice RH Power Bat off the Bench and 4th OF. Plus he is an above average defensive COF. I also think he would be a good option if Wily Mo doesn't do well. Or it could also mean that Krivsky has a taker for Kearns or Pena. I guess it all really depends on the asking price.

At this point in the offseason to find a guy who is capable of giving you good defense, and some degree of offense I would have to like it.

corkedbat
02-12-2006, 12:26 PM
:)
Would make a nice RH Power Bat off the Bench and 4th OF. Plus he is an above average defensive COF. I also think he would be a good option if Wily Mo doesn't do well. Or it could also mean that Krivsky has a taker for Kearns or Pena. I guess it all really depends on the asking price.

At this point in the offseason to find a guy who is capable of giving you good defense, and some degree of offense I would have to like it.

I'm gonna play "Krusty's Advocate" for a minute. :)

The Reds send Milton, Junior and a buttload of cash to Seattle for young pitching.

The Mariners get a reunion with Griffey and Milton back in the AL in a larger ballpark and cash (plus Milton's option).

On the Reds side, I'd go as high as this year's salary for both Milton & Griffey and possibly more for Junior if it sweetened the pot significantly - say another halfseason or part of the deferred money (wonder if that can be re-worked into a personal services contract for PR or other involvement after his playing days?)

The Reds end up getting some of the Mariners pitching and future payflex (not to mention the savings on baseballs) and a return of Hidalgo to the NL.

You then add Hidalgo for an order of:

2B Freel
SS Lopez
1B Dunn
RF Kearns
LF Pena
CF Hidalgo/Denofria
C LaRue
3B Encarnacion

You also subtract Milton from the GAB and add a pitching prospect or two to the rotation mix with Harang, Claussen, Wilson and Williams (and maybe even a reliever). You use the future saving to start locking up Dunn, Lopez, Harang, Kearns, etc. or target and ace in the next year via a trade or offseason Free Agency.

Alternative two. Same type of scenario, but two separate deals. Griffey to the Braves and Milton to the Tigers (Can Comerica hold him?).

Hubba
02-12-2006, 01:17 PM
(I'm gonna play "Krusty's Advocate" for a minute.)

Krusty is going to be pissed.

TeamBoone
02-12-2006, 01:22 PM
That's all nice, but I don't think KGJr will go to Seattle.

StillFunkyB
02-12-2006, 01:25 PM
That's all nice, but I don't think KGJr will go to Seattle.

That, and I don't see why Seattle would take them even if the Reds paid ALL of their salary.

MartyFan
02-12-2006, 01:39 PM
I don't see how the Reds move Junior...I'd say that Dunn is gone before Junior.

Pena and Kearns just don't have the value to bring the pitching we need.

RedLegSuperStar
02-12-2006, 02:36 PM
Back to Hidalgo, I think with Scott Hattenberg signed to back up first. Hidalgo, wouldn't be a bad pick-up if he accepts the 4th OF role. Can't bode to well for Denorfia if he did sign. I figure if RH plays well and we are out of contention then he gets dealt for pitching/prospects. Worth a shot.

RedLegSuperStar
02-12-2006, 02:38 PM
That's all nice, but I don't think KGJr will go to Seattle.

Junior would void that deal

Danny Serafini
02-12-2006, 02:42 PM
Hidalgo is one of those guys I hated because he seemed to constantly make plays against the Reds. Might be worth picking him up just so they don't have to face him. ;)

captainmorgan07
02-12-2006, 03:26 PM
depends on which hidalgo you get the one who can hit with power and for average or the one that played for the mets who did notting

Heath
02-12-2006, 07:07 PM
I would agree with the Captain.

Which Hidalgo are you going to get - the one that shows up or the one that doesn't.

I think this was a DanO move not a WayneK move.

Krusty
02-12-2006, 08:43 PM
(I'm gonna play "Krusty's Advocate" for a minute.)

Krusty is going to be pissed.

Nah. Welcome to the Trademeister Nation.

Anyways, you think those Junior to the White Sox rumors could be revisited in spring training if Brian Anderson struggles for the White Sox?

And, if White Sox GM Kenny Williams offers Jose Contreras and a prospect for Junior, would Krivsky pull the trigger? And how would it look to Junior if he vetoed a trade that would send him to the World Champions?

Mario-Rijo
02-13-2006, 01:12 AM
This may not be the wisest stance but, I am going to take it anyway. I am not all that concerned with Hidalgo's offense as long as he's not AWFUL. At his worst he is not far off from Wily Mo/Kearnsy of pre '06 offensively and his defense is far better as is his baserunning. And it's his defense that makes me want to acquire him, as some on this board knows I have been complaining about our defense for quite some time.

Now I'm not advocating replacing Wily Mo or Kearns with Hidalgo if they are both on the team because Wily has phenomenol potential offensively and I really still like Austin (He's Molitor-esque to me somehow, don't ask I'm not sure). But if you do "Spend your money wisely" and deal a Griffey Jr. or you decide to let one of the youngsters go to obtain a solid arm, who is on the open market right now that you would rather have than Hidalgo to stay competitive!? My stance is absolutely no-one.

Jpup
02-13-2006, 01:17 AM
I don't believe that Jr is going anywhere. Pena is the guy, if it's anyone, IMO.

pedro
02-13-2006, 02:05 AM
Hidalgo is a real enigma. If you got the good Richard, who hasn't been seen since 2003, then you have an interesting ballplayer, especially if it comes at a bargain rate. But poor Richard has been pretty putrid the past few years.




SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
1997 Hou 19 62 8 19 5 0 2 6 4 18 1 0 .306 .358 .484 .842
1998 Hou 74 211 31 64 15 0 7 35 17 37 3 3 .303 .355 .474 .829
1999 Hou 108 383 49 87 25 2 15 56 56 73 8 5 .227 .328 .420 .748
2000 Hou 153 558 118 175 42 3 44 122 56 110 13 6 .314 .391 .636 1.027
2001 Hou 146 512 70 141 29 3 19 80 54 107 3 5 .275 .356 .455 .811
2002 Hou 114 388 54 91 17 4 15 48 43 85 6 2 .235 .319 .415 .734
2003 Hou 141 514 91 159 43 4 28 88 58 104 9 7 .309 .385 .572 .957
2004 Hou 58 199 21 51 15 2 4 30 17 53 1 2 .256 .309 .412 .721
2004 NYM 86 324 46 74 11 1 21 52 27 76 3 2 .228 .296 .463 .759
2005 Tex 88 308 43 68 12 0 16 43 26 74 1 2 .221 .289 .416 .705
Total -- 987 3459 531 929 214 19 171 560 358 737 48 34 .269 .345 .490 .835

Heath
02-13-2006, 08:56 AM
The 2003 Hidalgo didn't look too bad - that seems to be more like career year in 2000.

redsfan30
02-13-2006, 02:04 PM
If the Reds are seriously considering adding Hidalgo, then Krivski has a very interested suitor for one of the outfielders.

flyer85
02-13-2006, 02:12 PM
I would say the last two years point to a player who is washed up as an everyday player. A .300 OBP and a little over .700 OPS is abysmal for a corner OF. Especially one on the downside of his career.