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Heath
02-18-2006, 10:20 AM
Per Marc's blog -


SARASOTA -- On the first day of spring training workouts, the Reds released Josh Hancock. The pitcher came to camp 17 pounds over his requested reporting weight, and with so many pitchers already contending for valuable mound time, Jerry Narron decided to get rid of the 27-year-old right-hander.

"At the end of the year last year, the last day in St. Louis when I talked to these players, I told these guys to give themselves a chance to be successful," said Narron. "I said the only way you can do that is being committed, by working out this winter and coming to spring training in shape, taking seriously what you’re doing.

"I have no clue what Josh Hancock was doing. As far as I know, he might have been running a marathon all winter long. He may have been throwing off the mound. But he was 17 pounds over his requested reporting weight. Can he be a successful major league pitcher 17 pounds more than he’s asked to be? Maybe. But we looked at last year, and he was on the disabled list for 133 games, and just did not see the commitment that we wanted to see this winter. So we let him go the first day of spring training.

"I hope he has a great major league career. I hope this opens his eyes to exactly what he needs to be to be a great major league pitcher. But it goes back to what I just said – we just didn’t see the commitment, so we’re going to give him the opportunity to go somewhere else."

Asked if everyone else's physicals checked out OK, Narron kept going.

"I’m a guy that believes in treating everybody with respect and honesty, and everybody in that clubhouse I definitely will do that with," he said. "But I am not going to sit here and tell you I’ll treat everybody the same. I believe you earn the right to do different things in this game. There might be a player come in here tomorrow that’s 50 pounds overweight, but if he does, he better have had a real good year last year."

Let the yawning begin.

kbrake
02-18-2006, 10:34 AM
Hopefully first day of full team workouts Narron sends the message that old players that suck will not be tolerated and Aurilia and Womack are sent packing.

Strikes Out Looking
02-18-2006, 10:43 AM
I hope Womack reports in looking like Santa Claus.

dougdirt
02-18-2006, 11:10 AM
Aurilia doesnt suck! He may be old, but he surely doesnt belong anywhere near the same company as Womack. Aurilia should be coming off the bench and getting a start maybe once a week if an infielder needs a day off, but to cut him would be a bad move in my opinion.

Jpup
02-18-2006, 11:13 AM
Aurilia doesnt suck! He may be old, but he surely doesnt belong anywhere near the same company as Womack. Aurilia should be coming off the bench and getting a start maybe once a week if an infielder needs a day off, but to cut him would be a bad move in my opinion.

he's got about as much range as my grandmother. :bang:

Heath
02-18-2006, 11:28 AM
he's got about as much range as my grandmother. :bang:

And she's deceased!

(Note to Jpup - If your Grandma has gone over the great divide, please except my sincerest sympathies. If not, please accept my sincere apologies about your alive and kickin' Grandma. There was a joke there - and it needed to be exploited. Thank you)

Blimpie
02-18-2006, 11:52 AM
Aurilia doesnt suck! He may be old, but he surely doesnt belong anywhere near the same company as Womack. Aurilia should be coming off the bench and getting a start maybe once a week if an infielder needs a day off, but to cut him would be a bad move in my opinion.He belongs in the EXACT same company as Womack. Both are overvalued and will, thus, be overused by Narron.

Throw in the fact that Rich has a bad habit of running his trap to the media about his playing status--and you've got yourself a full dose clubhouse tension at SOME point of this season. If you look at the mashers the Reds will run out there this year, you simply need to put cats on base in front of them to be successful. Freel and EdE will more than carry their share of that load and can run circles around Rich and Womack defensively.

dougdirt
02-18-2006, 12:16 PM
Aurilia hits .330 with RISP laast season and hits .282 overall and you want to cut him because the manager is to stupid to use him off the bench? That isnt Rich's fault, its Narrons fault. Rich has little to no range in the field, but thats why you use him once a week or so to start and give a guy a day off, or you bring him in to pinch hit.

kbrake
02-18-2006, 12:29 PM
If Aurilia does not want to come off the bench why force him? He will cry, throw a fit, and just be a giant destraction. He is not even close to being worth the problem.

fisch11
02-18-2006, 12:46 PM
Hancock had potential. Probably pull a Ryan Dempster and revive his career somewhere else.

TeamBoone
02-18-2006, 01:42 PM
I'm glad Narron released him. This statement says it all:


"At the end of the year last year, the last day in St. Louis when I talked to these players, I told these guys to give themselves a chance to be successful," said Narron. "I said the only way you can do that is being committed, by working out this winter and coming to spring training in shape, taking seriously what you’re doing.

Hancock either wasn't listening or has no committment. They were told what was expected; he chose to ignore it.

It sends the right message to the team.

TeamBoone
02-18-2006, 01:45 PM
Here's the Enquirer article.


Reds release Hancock
BY JOHN FAY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

SARASOTA, Fla. -- Jerry Narron set the tone for spring training this morning by announcing that the Reds had released right-hander Josh Hancock.

The announcement came just before players took the field for their first workout.

Hancock was at camp as non-roster invitee, but he spent most of last year with the big league club. He was on the disabled list until September with groin problems. He went 1-0 with 1.93 ERA.

But when the Reds manager discovered that Hancock had arrived in Sarasota a reported 17 pounds heavier than the club wanted, he made his decision quickly.

"I talked to these guys that last day (of last season) in St. Louis about coming to spring training in shape," Narron said. "The only way you do that is to take it seriously. I have no clue of what Josh Hancock did this winter. He might have run a marathon for all I know. He might have been throwing off the mound every day. But he was 17 pounds over his requested reporting weight. Can be a successful pitcher at 17 pounds more than he's asked to be? Maybe. But we looked at last year. He was on the disabled list for 133 games. We did not see the commitment we wanted to see."

Narron added: "Hopefully, Josh has a great major league career. Hopefully, this opens his eyes."

The move with Hancock does not mean that if Adam Dunn comes in 17 pounds over his prescribed weight, he'll be sent packing.

"I'm a guy who believes in treating everyone with respect and honesty," Narron said. "With everybody in that clubhouse, I will do that with and to. But I am not going to sit here and say I'm going to treat everyone the same. I believe you earn the right. There might be a play who comes in her tomorrow 50 pounds overweight. But, if he does, he better have had a good year last year."

The move with Hancock was Narron's call, but new general manager Wayne Krivsky signed off on it.

"Wayne and I have the same type of ideas on ways to turn this organization around," Narron said. "We believe in guys earning their way, not just giving it to them."

E-mail jfay@enquirer.com

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060218/SPT04/302180008/1071

acredsfan
02-18-2006, 01:49 PM
Aurilia hits .330 with RISP laast season and hits .282 overall and you want to cut him because the manager is to stupid to use him off the bench? That isnt Rich's fault, its Narrons fault. Rich has little to no range in the field, but thats why you use him once a week or so to start and give a guy a day off, or you bring him in to pinch hit.Here is one of my two problems with Rich Aurillia:

Entire Season TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
Home Cincinnati Reds 58 214 39 71 12 2 11 50 120 18 31 1 0 .380 .561 .332
Away Cincinnati Reds 56 212 22 49 11 0 3 18 69 19 36 1 0 .296 .325 .231


My second is his mouth... I guess if every game was played at GABP and he had a muzzle then i'd be all for him....

Eric_Davis
02-18-2006, 01:57 PM
Hopefully first day of full team workouts Narron sends the message that old players that suck will not be tolerated and Aurilia and Womack are sent packing.


Hear! Hear!

What an idiot Hancock is...he rides the gravy train for 133 games last year and thinks it's business as usual...I used to like him, but now I can't stand him....who does he think paid him for those 133 games? You the fans, that's who.

Good riddance!

Eric_Davis
02-18-2006, 01:59 PM
Aurilia hits .330 with RISP laast season and hits .282 overall and you want to cut him because the manager is to stupid to use him off the bench? That isnt Rich's fault, its Narrons fault. Rich has little to no range in the field, but thats why you use him once a week or so to start and give a guy a day off, or you bring him in to pinch hit.

Exactly! and that's his "maximum" value...his true value is riding the sofa at home, not the bench in the dugout.

mbgrayson
02-18-2006, 04:11 PM
People should note that Marc's post does NOT say Hancock actually GAINED 17 pounds. It says "The pitcher came to camp 17 pounds over his requested reporting weight".

That could well mean his goal was to lose 10 pounds, and he actually gained 7.

I am still glad to see Jerry narron and Wayne Krivsky lay down the law!

Mike

blumj
02-18-2006, 08:20 PM
Do you guys remember who Hancock was traded for? I'm blanking on it.

pedro
02-18-2006, 08:23 PM
Do you guys remember who Hancock was traded for? I'm blanking on it.


IIRC, the Reds got Hancock and Machado for Todd Jones.

Heath
02-18-2006, 08:23 PM
Do you guys remember who Hancock was traded for? I'm blanking on it.

Along with Anderson Machado (the savior) Hancock was dealt for Todd Jones.

dougflynn23
02-18-2006, 08:30 PM
:) It doesn't take a great deal of courage for a manager to cut a non-roster player for coming in out of shape. Let's see what happens if Kearns, Dunn, or Valentin come in toting a spare tire like last year. What will "Baseball Guy" do then?

KronoRed
02-18-2006, 08:38 PM
Well that deal worked out.

KoryMac5
02-18-2006, 08:54 PM
I doubt the move was designed to send a message at all. My feeling is that Narron has too many 6 and 7th starters and Hancock being overweight just helped lighten the load of subpar pitching.

Team Clark
02-18-2006, 09:01 PM
:) It doesn't take a great deal of courage for a manager to cut a non-roster player for coming in out of shape. Let's see what happens if Kearns, Dunn, or Valentin come in toting a spare tire like last year. What will "Baseball Guy" do then?

Considering all 3 of those guys have pretty nice contracts I'd say "Spring Break" is what would happen if they were told to go home.

TeamBoone
02-18-2006, 09:16 PM
:) It doesn't take a great deal of courage for a manager to cut a non-roster player for coming in out of shape. Let's see what happens if Kearns, Dunn, or Valentin come in toting a spare tire like last year. What will "Baseball Guy" do then?

I believe he already addressed that:


"Iím a guy that believes in treating everybody with respect and honesty, and everybody in that clubhouse I definitely will do that with," he said. "But I am not going to sit here and tell you Iíll treat everybody the same. I believe you earn the right to do different things in this game. There might be a player come in here tomorrow thatís 50 pounds overweight, but if he does, he better have had a real good year last year."

blumj
02-18-2006, 10:05 PM
IIRC, the Reds got Hancock and Machado for Todd Jones.

Thank you. Since the Phillies got the "bad" version of Jones, and the Red Sox, who had him originally, got Jeremy Giambi for him, I'm thinking the Reds probably still won that rather dubious round of deck chair rearranging.

Slyder
02-19-2006, 12:43 AM
http://www.addictsports.com/baseball/showthread.php?t=41236

Yep Jones and some minor leaguer named Brad Correll for Anderson Machado (whos gotta be getting nervous about his employment) and Josh Hancock.

http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/news/phi_news.jsp?ymd=20040809&content_id=823659&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp

In a move to bolster their starting rotation, the Phillies acquired right-hander Cory Lidle from the Cincinnati Reds for two minor leaguers, outfielder Javon Moran and left-handed pitcher Joe Wilson, along with a player to be named later or cash (I think this is where we got Elizardo Ramirez), Phillies vice president and general manager Ed Wade announced Monday.

One out of two for our EX GM isnt bad... granted this deal was probably his best of all (Thats not saying much) of his time in Cincy.

fourrunhomer
02-20-2006, 10:26 AM
I guess I called this one wrong. I honestly thought he would be in the rotation. I guess I wanted it more for him than he did. I'm guessing there must be more to this than I know. They were not in any hurry to bring him back from rehabbing last year and now this. Does anyone know if he has a bad attitude or if he just got in the doghouse and couldn't get out. I know your players need to be in shape to produce but to be released on the first day of spring training. Talk about a kick in the gut.

RedLegSuperStar
02-22-2006, 05:39 AM
For anyone that cares, Hancock signed with St. Louis to a minor league contract

Rex Argos
02-22-2006, 09:19 AM
For anyone that cares, Hancock signed with St. Louis to a minor league contract

I'm starting to wonder about St. Louis. They've traditionally signed "character" types. Rolen, Walker, and the sort. This year, Hancock, Ponson, Encarnacion. I'm guessing that all that "Big Mac" money has finally dried up. That's a shame, because Hancock's bound to be getting hungry by now.

MattyHo4Life
02-22-2006, 10:02 AM
I'm starting to wonder about St. Louis. They've traditionally signed "character" types.

Does Hancock have a bad attitude?

MattyHo4Life
02-22-2006, 10:11 AM
Hancock still weighs a lot less than Rick White, but yet Rick White is still on the team.

Chip R
02-22-2006, 10:32 AM
For anyone that cares, Hancock signed with St. Louis to a minor league contract

Why doesn't that surpise me? Hancock pitched well against StL a couple of times so I'm guessing they saw something they liked.